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ruggedized1:
This is a throwback picture of two greatest Nigerians both of Anambra descent.


Rt. Hon. Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe born 1904, was Nigeria's first president. He was equally the first and last black governor general of Nigeria. He hails from Onitsha.


Sir Louise Odumegwu Ojukwu born 1908, was Africa's first millionaire from Nnewi. He was the father of former warlord and eze Igbo worldwide- Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu





Lalasticlala

I like the iPhone with Sir Louis Ojukwu. I will visit computer village to get one.

funmisticqueen:
Where are those that usually say Biafran doctors are olodos and they don't know anything.

Corrected!

She should be made Buhari's chief physician. Anyway she is a dual citizen, a Biafran-Nigerian, no wonder.

shallysgirl:
You are just taking this to another level. Nobody is rejecting Islam.we are just pointing out that igbo muslims are few in number.

Nobody is rejecting Islam but Mohammed rejected non-muslims and call them (including the Igbos) the worst of creation (Quran 98:6). It is ironic that Yoruba Muslims call Igbos intolerant folks while Islam is the world's most militant and intolerant religion. How many churches do we have in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Sudan?

Rashduct4luv:
This means you have read all books on Islamic Seerah to have opined that no one knew anything about him. I pity your ignorance bro.

Can you tell us any important thing/incidence recorded on waraqa in the sirah rasul allahh?

Rashduct4luv:
Put Prejudice and bias by the side, Muhammad just saw the Angel for the first time. Who do you expect him to turn to? Of cos his wife. And the wife took him to Waraqah since she trusted him as family & a true follower of Christ. We Muslims believe that those that follow Allah through their Prophets are Muslims. We have the Qur'an and the Authentic Hadiths as our constitutions in Islam. It can not be found in the Qur'an but it is recorded in the Sunnah! The reference was attached yet u cant even read between the lines.

How is this narration not explanatory enough? When Moses saw the burning bush, what happened?
Sometimes people can be blinded by criticism.

Bros, Mohammed did not see any angel, he only heard a voice of an unknown entity whom he (Mohammed) didn't know, neither did the entity introduced himself to Mohammed. He only asked Mohammed to 'READ' after choking him severely. Mohammed replied that he cannot read because he is not lettered. Let's get the facts right.

There is no any angel of God that will attempt to choke human being to death, before passing a message across, except the Islamic Jibril. Even in this modern era it is only a demonic force that oppress a human being. A human being can be frighten upon seeing a strange being but that being, if it is an Angel, will always ask his 'client' to be calm. This particular pattern is consistent throughout the Bible. Why will Mohammed's experience be 100% opposite?

You said the wife took him to waraqa, That is true. The hadith and the sirah, aside from waraqa telling Mohammed the entity he saw was an angel, recorded no any other activity concerning waraqa. The life of waraqa, whether pious or not, cannot be independently verified. What if waraqa had told Mohammed a lie to massage his ego? No one can say.

Waraqa is so important in islam that it will be wrong if no one knew anything about him. Without waraqa, there is no Islam.

Rashduct4luv:
I know you won't be able to give us the Gospel Jesus preached while he was alive. We believe Jesus had a Book given to him from Allah called Injeel (Gospel) which he preached while on Earth.

Jaabir son of Abdullah was one of the companions of our Prophet. Can we say Jesus christ was being influenced in any way when he wined and dined with sinners? No i think! He was spreading the good news to them just as in this case.

The last Prophet of Islam used to mix with Jews and Christians, calling them to Islam.

Al-Bukhaari (1356) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allah be pleased with him) that a Jewish boy used to serve the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and he fell sick. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came to visit him. He sat by his head and said: “Become Muslim.” The boy looked at his father, who was also by his head, and his father said to him: Obey Abu’l-Qaasim (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). So he became Muslim, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) left, saying, “Praise be to Allah Who have saved him from the Fire.”.

About Khadijah knowing about Angels....

In a very long hadith Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4572; Muslim, 231).....

....Then Khadeejah took him to Waraqah ibn Nawfal, the son of her paternal uncle. He was a man who had become a Christian during the jaahiliyyah. He used to write Arabic script and he used to write from the Gospel in Arabic as much as Allaah willed he should write. He was an old man who had become blind. Khadeejah said, ‘O son of my uncle, listen to what your nephew says.’ Waraqah said: ‘O son of my brother, what have you seen?’ [The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)] told him what he had seen. Waraqah said: ‘This is the Naamoos [Jibreel] who came down to Moosa. Would that I were young and could live until the time when your people will drive you out.’

The Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Will they really drive me out?’ Waraqah said, ‘Yes. Never has there come a man with that which you have brought, but he was persecuted. If I should live to see that day, I will support you strongly.’ But a few days later, Waraqah died, and the Revelation also ceased for a while, until the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was filled with grief.


About Plural marriage....

This is deceit on your part and it pains me sadly that you would shy away from the truth regarding this. Plural marriage has been present since ages and Jesus never came to abolish the law...

A man and woman has different rights. The man is always the leader. If a woman has four husbands, who will she obey most? Who owns the child when she gives birth? this your question is illogical. Solomon in the Bible had 1000 wives + Concubines, David had more than one, even the father of faith too. Several others in the old testament.
We have options to marry 1 or 2 or 3 or 4.

As for copulation in Paradise, we believe that's part of our reward there.


And Allah knows best. None guides but Him.

Was waraqa guided by allahh to tell Mohammed that the entity he met at the cave is jibril? I don't think so because waraqah never believed in allahh, nor worshiped at kabba. We can as well conclude that it was a Christian that authenticated the alleged Prophethood of Mohammed. Mohammed recognized the fact that it is only a Christian that can approve his prophethood, hence his confidence in the judgment of waraqa, and his wife khadija. This does not mean that I accepted waraqa's judgement because he was not there with Mohammed, at the cave, and he did not do any personal check to verify Mohammed's claim, whether he was lying or not.

The Qur'an did not also talk anything about waraqa, and this makes Islam seriously not trustworthy. How can one of the most important person that assist set up islam completely missing in the Quran? Even the so-called jibril did not tell Mohammed anything about waraqa, despite the fact that it was waraqa that told Mohammed that the spirit whom he (Mohammed) allegedly encountered at the cave is hira was jibril. And again, Mohammed didn't even see the so-called jibril face to face, it was only a voice he heard.

Putting all Mohammed's claim in a complete scrutiny one can easily see that the whole story do not add up. It is all a make-believe forced down on the 7th century desert illiterate Arabs who have little or no sense of seeing things in a very rational and logical way. If Mohammed comes up with this story of his encounter with jibril, in today's world, he will be sent to a psychiatric home. He made complete use of the opportunity he had then to brainwash and conquer his fellow backward desert Arabs.

misterh:
If you had taken 10 minutes to research the principle of Asbab al-nuzul as I suggested, you would not have posted this.

Come back for more discussion after you've done that.


PS: Your comment on Muslims running to the Tafsir and why Allah needs human assistance to communicate his words can be answered by a question:
Why does a reader consult a dictionary when he encounters a word he doesn't understand?

God doesn't need human assistance in communicating his words. It is the human being that has to think rationally and learn from the one through which the Qur'an was revealed to understand the Word better.

The Qur'an in 12:111, 16:89 and 17:11 made a claim that the words of allahh are very clear to understand, I didn't make the claim, so why did the Muslims need a tasfir, sirah and the hadith to explain what allahh had already made plain in the Koran? It is either allahh is a bad communicator or Muslims are lying to defend allahh.

If I speak to you in a manner that you will need a dictionary to understand my taught and languages that means I am a bad communicator. That also means that my expression is subject to numerous interpretation by different audience/students of mine and a recipe for confusion and disaster. This is the major reason why Muslims are quick to reject some hadith as weak and fabricated, reject some sirah and as well reject some tasfir on a particular ayah. There is no uniformity because different tasfir interprete different ayah in different ways. One ayah of the Quran can have like 3 different interpretations from 3 different 'scholar'. That's crazy man!

And again, tasfir is not like our daily dictionary which deals with providing a meaning (or meanings) to a SINGLE word. Don't use unrelated analogy to built a point. The fact remains, according to Muslims, allahh is a bad communicator hence scholars have to write tasfir to explain what allahh could have just made clear in the Qur'an. From my reading of the Quran, the quran as a book makes no sense at all; you cannot read 12 consecutive ayah and make a meaning out of it. The people that wrote tasfir, like ibn kathir, al-badawi and al-tabari understood the problems in the Quran hence came up with the tasfir.

misterh:
Is that how you reached your conclusion? That's a weak premise to stand on.

Firstly, a man was just visited by a being he had never seen anything like it before- a being that greatly terrified him. It was the terror and confusion he was in that made him think that he was visited by an evil spirit.
Secondly, it wasn't Khadijah that told him it was Angel Gabriel that visited him.

The pictures attached might help you...

Bros give full reference on this screen shot. I have the full copy of the biography of Mohammed, by ibn Ishaq, on my laptop, where this incidence was narrated. At no time did the entity whom Mohammed claimed to see introduced himself as Angel jibril. It was waraqa, after khadijah narrated Mohammed's experience to him, told Mohammed that the entity was jibril.

Khadijah directly assisted Mohammed start a new religion. And there was no single time the so-called allahh personally spoke to Mohammed. You can prove me wrong.

misterh:
One thing Christians are quick to say in the process of understanding the Bible is that one requires the Holy Spirit to guide one in its understanding.

In Islam, there's a concept called Asbab al-nuzul. This concept loosely refers to the circumstances that necessitated the revelation of some verses of the Qur'an. One doesn't just have the knowledge of Islam by reading the Qur'an literally. He has to understand the tafsir too. The tafsir is the exegesis of the Qur'an. Thus, the verses you posted above are not taken at the facial level. The circumstances that led to their revelation is needed.

Just research on the principles of 'Asbab al-nuzul' and 'Tafsir'. The internet should help you.

allah says in Qur'an 12:111, 16:89 and 17:11 that his words are very clear, why do you wanna prove allahh wrong by implying that allahh is a bad communicator? Did allahh mention anything about the tasfir or the hadith in the Quran? Why does allahh need human assistance to communicate his words effectively?

Whenever Muslims attempt to explain away the evil commands in the Quran they run to the tasfir. And as per Qur'an 9:29, I have read the tasfir by ibn Kathir. It was explained in the most evil way possible. Muslims should treat the Christians, the so-called Dhimmis, in an Islamic country in the most evil way possible and force them to pay the jizya, convert to Islam or be killed. Quran 9:29 gave rise to the notorious 'pact of umar' which fully explained how Muslims must humiliate Christians and Jews under Islamic rule.

I have read some of the tasfir before now, it makes matters worse for Islam.

misterh:
I don't know the books you posted. Why don't you tell me what the books say about the Prophet (PBUH).

As regards the Banu Qurayza, I answered that on this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/4075253/counter-thread-what-muslims-believe/6#60776071

Where do you get the story of Mohammed's encounter with an entity whom his Inlaw later called Angel Jibril? The Quran or the hadith?

misterh:
Hahahahaha. You expect me to believe this? Kindly point me in the direction where you read this.

Read sirah rasul allahh by ibn Ishaq, pages 512 to 514, to get a clue. Also read sirah rasul allahh by ibn Hisham and ibn Iraq to know how demonic and evil your prophet is.

OmoManU:
U pipu's hatred of the religion called Islam never fails to baffles someone. All what u the OP penned down down were basically attempt and effort to scatter scatter simple truths

Muslims loves u guys but u guys hate them back in retrospect

Quran 9:29; Quran 5:51.

alBHAGDADI:
https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus


Dear Nairaland,

I came across the above thread on Front Page stating what Muslims believe about my Lord Jesus Christ. It was put on front page on a Friday, a day pro-islamic threads make front page. What bothers me is that the thread spoke things about my Father and Saviour which are contrary to what I know of him. The sad part is that I couldn't correct those things cos Islamic threads are locked away from non-muslims who can only comment if they swear an Islamic creed. That is why I decided to create this thread to put to correction all those things said about my Father, just as a son would. I will appreciate it if the Moderators move this thread to front page this Sunday in the spirit of fairness.

Points from the thread are in quote.


First and foremost, Easa is not the name given to the Messiah we Christians believe in. His real name is Yahshua. The Bible says he comes in his Father's name (Mathew 23:39). Yahshua means Yahweh's Salvation. Easa doesn't carry such meaning.

Yes, he was a prophet but not a slave talk less of being a slave of Allah. He is the son of the Living God YAHWEH who called him his beloved Son.

Mathew 17:5

... He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice
from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son , with whom I am well pleased ...


If by Easa you mean Jesus/Yahshua, then you are wrong. Tell me how many men can raise the dead? Those that do that today so it in his name. How many men ressurected from the dead as they promised they would? Those that do that today testify of how he resurrected them. How many perform healing as he did? Those that do today so it in his name.

Saying God has to have a wife before having a son is similar to limiting God's powers. If you believe that the God who created heaven and the earth, humans and animals etc needs a wife before he can have a son, then it's best you stop believing he created all those things.

Islam's denial of Jesus being the son of God who is Father has rendered the religion a LIAR and an Antichrist religion.

1 John 2:22

Who is the LIAR? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the ANTICHRIST--denying the Father and the Son.

God bless you bro. You do well!

alBHAGDADI:
How would you know?

Has he ever debated one before? For your information, zakir naik has been avoiding a debate with David Wood, the man who showed Nabeel the light.

You need to ask why it is that zakir naik is only seen answering questions in an Islamic gathering. Why can't he be in a debate where there will be a panel?

I doubt he can stand this female ex-muslim turn atheist, Ayan Hirsi Ali, not to talk of David Wood.

Bro David wood is too advanced for Zakir NaiK. I will defeat Zakir NaiK in any organized debate, not a question and answer session he always do. Zakir NaiK never debated in any organized debate setting. David Wood and Sam Shamoun challenged him but he refused to debate.

Habyz:
The site you directed me to is at best a lame attempt to discredit Islam.
Surah 5:33 states; The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that the they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world and In the hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.
The site also states that Islam is the second and fastest growing religion in America, the last time I checked Christianity and Judaism are the largest religion there while Islam is a minority group.
If Britain has been brought to her knees by Islam I wonder if they are not better off.
The last pic states that the Jesus can't be God's son, you said it yourself that Jesus is God, I don't want to have to write what's in the Quran here, I'll rather have you check it out yourself, there are English translations of the Quran.

I'll rather have you check it out yourself, there are English translations of the Quran'---good advice but with a usually deceptive motive.

If a Christian points out the errors/violence in the Quran, he will be accused of reading it out of context. If you show Muslims the context, they will ask you to read it in Arabic. If you read it Arabic, Muslims will ask you to study classical Arabic of the Meccans to fully understand the Quran. Whichever way, Muslims, whether they understand Arabic or not, will win because Islam sees nothing wrong in telling lies and deceiving the kafirs, as long as it is for the good of Islam.

As for Islam being the 'fastest' growing religion in Europe and America, you are right. How/why? The reason being that Muslims are migrating, in their millions, to Europe and the US, and of course they migrate with their religion and culture. 95% of Muslim countries are poor (except the oil rich Arab gulf states) and unproductive hence they need to migrate to the land of their eternal enemies, the land of the Christians and Jews, in order to have a better life. Muslim migrants, in the land of the Christians and Jews, will now try to convert the gullible, especially rogues and black prisoners, so that they can be used to do their dirty Islamic jobs, that is subverting the constitution and culture of their gullible host for the advancement of Islam. They try build many mosques and increase their demands until the host country is economically destroyed, their infrastructure destroyed and civil disobedience becomes a norm, what we are seeing in Europe now.

Some European counties, such as Poland, Hungary, Czech republic, Greece, Austria, etc, having seen these Islamic carnage, are now refusing to accept economic migrants and refugees, especially from Muslim-dominated countries, while Britain withdrew from the EU out of fear that Turkey might be admitted which will open the gate wide for unrestricted Muslim migration to Europe.

If Islam is the best for mankind, Christians and other non-muslims will be moving enmass to Muslim societies. Unfortunately, Islamic countries are failures and depend on non-muslims for survival, just as Mohammed depended on the collection of jizya (Quran 9:29) from the Christians and Jews for economic survival.

plainbibletruth:
Sahih Bukhari is regarded by a vast majority in Islam as the most authentic collection of Mohamed’s sayings and deeds.

If a portion of this same Hadith is now QUESTIONED by Moslem apologists like Myriam Francois-Cerrah then do such apologists have the right to accept other portions of the same book or even any other Hadith?

Did Bukhari, at the time he was writing, have any reason to DISCREDIT Mohamed?

If Moslems apologists do not want to rely on earliest Islamic sources then something must be wrong; don’t you think?

If it is now “some modern Muslim scholars (who) have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the … hadith, used to assert Aisha’s young age” who would be considered MORE RELIABLE than earliest Islamic sources, then it should be clear that some people somewhere are trying to re-write history.

Deception is not new to Islam. So, when Moslem apologists want to defend their faith, lying and twisting of FACTS is alright by them as long as they think they are doing it in the name of their religion.

Soon, Islamic apologists will be telling us that Mohamed is still well and alive in Medina leading the Islamic world from there!

It is just wonderful and unbelievable that Muslims can lie, without shame, in order to defend allahh, Mohammed and Islam at all cost. Muslims would rather deny the hadith, the Qur'an and the sirah, in order to defend allahh and his messenger. What a shameless and lying religion!

iamgenius:
@ plainbibletruth, you still quote the same old lies. Show us d arabic versions of the books, your lies are not even perfect. Christians lies are exposed already; mistranslation of the original arabic text.

How many Muslims are Arabic speakers? Is the knowledge of Arabic language a prerequisite for being a Muslim or understanding Islam?

Please don't tell me the hadith of bukhari and 'the sira' of rasul allahh, by ibn Ishaq, are fake. The evils of Mohammed are well documented in the hadith and the sira. Quran is only a 'poster book' for Islam; real Islam is the knowledge of the sunnah and the sira, which made up over 95% of Islamic laws and practices.

I need not educate you more, Islam spread by the sword and made fertile by mass ignorance of Islamic history and doctrines.

folafola:
1. Who arranged Quran in this order?? And why was the first revelation got to chapter 96


2.Who are the LADUNA/kind/ourselves of Allah??

3. When did the torah got corrupted, before or after Muhammad

4. Where is the INJIL of Allah

Fsp 2017

To answer the first question, the Quran was compiled by Uthman ibn Affan, the second 'rightly guided' (an egoistic Islamic phrase) khalifa. The Quran was never compiled by allahh, jibril or Mohammed. And allahh, for once, never spoke to any of the sahabas, not even Uthman ibn Affan. So the Quran is the idea of Abu Bakr As Sadiq, the first khalifa and was executed by uthman ibn Affan.

Why did Abu Bakr ordered the compilation of the Qur'an as a single religious document, even when Mohammed, during his lifetime, never asked Muslims to do that? First, the Muslims were having a variation in recitation. Mr A will recite in one way while Mr B will recite in another way. So to harmonize the differenes, Abu Bakr ordered the compilation of all the Quranic manuscripts into a single document.

The second reason is that many people that knew the quran, by heart, were dying at the battle of yamama, hence many oral transmission were lost. To preserve the remaining ones, Uthman ordered the surviving Muslim soldiers to come and recite, and also had all their recitations documented. In addition to oral transmission, some Quranic ayah were written on leaves, camel skin, house buildings, etc. All these writings were put together to form the current Qur'an. The Quran we have today is the project of Uthman ibn Affan and has nothing to do with God or any creator.

Is the Qur'an complete and reliable? No. Why? Some Qur'anic verses such as the verse of stoning and breastfeeding an adult were removed by Uthman ibn Affan and burnt (sunnah ibn majjah hadith 1944. This can also be seen in sahih bukhari).

Its been long the Muslims have been lying to us that alahh gave the Quran by himself, without human interference, but thank God, we have come to learn that it's all a FAT LIE.

aminusanti:
»Quran 2:18«
Deaf, dumb, and blind, They will not return (to the path).

fail as usual.lol
All am seeing is lame excuses.

the truth is only 1.is either you take it or you leave it.. I cant give you more than what you found from that site..or do you want to play your old tricks?after long explanation you end up calling it a lie ! Am.nt a victim to that any more.

You can carry on deceiving yourselves by giving all those empty excuses...still waiting for a single error in the quran by you as you claimed.btw when will you guys allow me to start asking about your book? Cus I notice whenever I asked you pple you all deliberately ignore it. Why? You were given a chance to prove justv a single error from the quran bt you couldnt, all you do is going back n forth ignorantly without realizing it. If you want to know what truly it means by error n contradiction allow me to put forward my queries pls from Bible

Take it easy, don't be agitated. You visited an Islamic altaqiyya website to prove your point which further proves your desperation.

I asked you for an unbiased scholarly scientific paper that proves that human semen come from back-bone and the rib but you never provided any. Twisting and turning cannot make a lie become the truth. Truth is judged by facts and evidence and not belief (or claim).

See what your Quran said about the stars (I won't give you hundreds of scientific errors in the hadith because you will sure reject the hadith):

And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
Qur'an 67:5

The hadith below confirm the ayah above:

'Abdullah. Ibn 'Abbas reported: A person from the Ansar who was amongst the Companions of Allah's Messenger (pbuh reported to me: As we were sitting during the night with Allah's Messenger (pbuh), a meteor shot gave a dazzling light. Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: What did you say in the pre-Islamic days when there was such a shot (of meteor)? They said: Allah and His Messenger know best (the actual position), but we, however, used to say that that very night a great man had been born and a great man had died, whereupon Allah's Messenger pbuh) said: (These meteors) are shot neither at the death of anyone nor on the birth of anyone. Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, issues Command when He decides to do a thing. Then (the Angels) supporting the Throne sing His glory, then sing the dwellers of heaven who are near to them until this glory of God reaches them who are in the heaven of this world. Then those who are near the supporters of the Throne ask these supporters of the Throne: What your Lord has said? And they accordingly inform them what He says. Then the dwellers of heaven seek information from them until this information reaches the heaven of the world. In this process of transmission (the jinn snatches) what he manages to overhear and he carries it to his friends. And when the Angels see the jinn they attack them with meteors. If they narrate only which they manage to snatch that is correct but they alloy it with lies and make additions to it.
Sahih Muslim 26:5538.

Is the 'science of the Quran' geographically true?

Lest I forget, I asked you of any prophet, aside Mohammed, that had been affected by black magic, that made him taught he slept will all his wives (in one night) when he never did such.

aminusanti:
Read here also if you re ready to know the truth
http://www.answering-christianity.com/munir_munshey/semenproduction_rebuttal.htm

You can't give a religiously biased site for your rebuttal. I expected you to provide an independent and secular scientific site that talked about where semen is store prior ejaculation.

Why will allahh give a wrong information? And again I ask you, aside Mohammed, was there any of God's prophet that suffered magic spell, or oppressed by a demon, even momentarily?

[quote author=aminusanti post=59457847][/quote]Muslims claim the Qur'an has no single scientific, historical and geographical error so it is proper to put it under scrutiny in order to valid their claim. Its unfortunate that the Qur'an had failed many scientific and geographic test but our stubborn Muslims will never accept, partly because of their self-inflated ego and to defend allahh and his apostle. Since allahh is also a human anatomist, let's look at the links below in order to validate or refute both allahh and Mohammed's claim:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/ejaculation

https://www.sharecare.com/health/male-reproductive-system-health/where-men-store-sperm
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/anatomyvideos/000121.htm

Ironically, no Muslim has even done any modern finding or research on human anatomy. Its unfortunate that Muslims keep deluding themselves by accepting the words of an illiterate Arab man over a 21st century scientific findings.

Let me get your findings and compare same with what your prophet claimed.

aminusanti:
if truly you r careful about d queries you r posting you, your answer is in what you r posting...

The magic according to the hadith did not affect the revelations being sent to the prophet from the angel Gabriel.

Secondly, the prophet himself was conscious of the fact that something was wrong, as we read the hadith we see:

One day he invoked (Allah) for a long period and then said, "I feel that Allah has inspired me as how to cure myself

So the prophet invoked and prayed to God for help and a cure, hence the prophet was aware that there was something wrong, hence he was conscious of the problem.

Now the next parts of the hadith prove that Muhammad (pbuh) is indeed a true prophet, because remember he asks Allah for help and a cure, and Allah hears the prophet's prayer and helps him.

So notice two persons come to the prophet in a dream, two angels. As you can see they tell the prophet where the materials for the bewitchment are, and the prophet eventually goes to this location and sees it for himself.

Now one would think that the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) would go and destroy the material to be freed from the bewitchment, yet he does not. We read the most interesting part of the hadith that says: "No, for I have been cured by Allah"

So notice the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not need to destroy the material, because God himself had cured him.

So let us summarize what we have so far:

-Evil magic was worked on the prophet

-The magic did not affect the revelations of the Quran

-The prophet asked Allah for help, which means he was conscious of a problem

-Allah sent two angels to the prophet in a dream

-The angels told Muhammad (pbuh) where to go to find the materials that were used

-The prophet goes to the location, but he does not destroy the materials

-Allah himself has cured the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

So as you can see this incident in the prophet's lifetime does not disprove his prophethood, rather it is a great proof and evidence that he is a prophet. He asks God for help, and God comes to his aid.

There is a whole moral and wisdom behind this story, and the wisdom behind this story is that if we are afflicted with some sort of evil then we must look and turn to God for the help and cure, because God is the only one who can protect and save us. This is the entire basis of this incident, that we put all our faith and trust in God.

As Allah himself says in the Noble Quran:

>>033.003<< "And put thy trust in Allah, and enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs."

>>007.196<< "For my Protector is Allah, Who revealed the Book (from time to time), and He will choose and befriend the righteous."

>>003.150<< "
Nay, Allah is your protector, and He is the best of helpers".

Lastly, all of us will be tested by God, including the prophet himself, i don't have to tell u how your Man God suffered, therefore it should not surprise us if harm comes to the prophet, as the Quran says:

>>002.214<< "Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried: "When (will come) the help of Allah?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!"

So in conclusion this hadith does not disprove Muhammad (pbuh) as a prophet, nor does it question his credibility. If anyone is honest with themselves they will accept the hadith for what it is, and what it says, that angels came to the prophet, and that Allah cured and healed the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Even if none of this is good enough for you, the fact is that the hadiths themselves show that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was never affected in terms of being given revelations and spreading the message of Islam.

The Bible says if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a ditch.

It is quite shocking that you will still assume that someone whose wife claimed was saying something he never did, because he was under a magical spell, will at same time be getting a divine revelation from a true god.

Can you show me any single prophet that had ever been reported to have suffered a magical or spiritual attack? Who testify, or certified, Mohammed to have been delivered from the magical spell, Aisha or Mohammed.

If a patient is sick, who certifies him OK, a doctor or the patient?

aminusanti:
For a critic like you, u will always see it as unclear simply bcus your cooked up stories cant fit in. Quran is as clear as day. Exact thing was highlighted to u from ur scriptures but you simply rejected the fact

pls stop all this ur blind argument jst try n educate yourself on why some hadith re considered weak or rejected first

[b]/b] again help yourself first and things will start making sense to you

your proofs pls or just give us a single commentary on it by any mufassir.


Double standard


U can mock around now but a day will come when it will make a perfect sense to you

irrelevant

You r yet to provide a single error from the Holy Quran as you claim but if you cant I will proceed to put forward the ones from the bible so, we can see if it's truly from God. Would u do us a favor to explain them pls?

Muslims' claim that the verses of the Quran are 'as clear as day' is both ironical and a lie. This is because if the Quran is clear, as you claim, you will not need any tasfir or hadith to clarify any Qur'anic verse, but it's very unfortunate that allahh's communication is so poor that it will need human assistance to make the words of allahh clear. And to make the matter worse, Muslims will condemn both an hadith and tasfir that do not fit their arguments and narrative.

Your claim that there are no scientific errors in the Quran, not to mention the hadith, is a complete lie that only Muslims take as true. Let's good at Quran 86:7:

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted--proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs.

This claim by allahh, jibril and Mohammed is wrong. And before you claim 'out of context' see the tasfir by Ibn kathir:

Ibn Kathir:
'Referring to the creation of man from a drop of fluid gushing forth from between the backbone and the ribs, Allah emphasizes the inherent weakness of man... Allah says that man has been created from a mix of seminal fluid of man which gushes forth from the backbone and the yellowish fluid of woman that flows from her ribs.'

I don't know why allahh will say that semen is from the rib and backbone when modern science says other. If this is not a scientific error, what is it?

maclatunji:
Typical- irrational, illogical, unrefined plus unsophisticated.

It doesn't matter how much or little he has, these are his default settings. #Hehehehe

You actually proved me wrong bro. The respect I had for you is gone, never knew you were a regular Yoruba Muslim. You need refinement.

It is only a fooll that will believe the police story that the killing was carried out by a rival drug gang, less than 10-hours after the massacre. This is, to me, a state sponsored killing or the work of ethnic militia who are bent on destroying the strong-will of the Igbos.

true2god:
The second issue is the integrity of the Qur'an. The Qur'an lacks integrity because some if the sahabas and scribes whom Mohammed used in writing the Qur'an were not writing exactly what Mohammed asked them to write. One of the men caught in this act is Abdullah Ibn Saad.

According to Islamic tradition 'Al Sira Al Nabawiya' by Ibn Hisham (chapter 4, page 57 and 58) and 'Al sira Al halabiya' by Al halabi (chapter 3, page 90 and 91), Mohammed ordered the killing of Abdullah Ibn Saad because he deceived him by writing another thing while Mohammed dictated another thing. Part of the Quranic verses he mis-wrote was Quran 23:14. Part of what he did was that he said 'so blessed be allahh the best creators' before Mohammed said it. Since it followed Mohammed's flow he (Mohammed) asked Abdullah Ibn Saad to include it.

Abdullah Ibn Saad went back to Mecca, from Medina, and left Islam (murtad) and told the quraysh:

'I was manipulating Mohammed the way I like, if Mohammed said "all wise" I will say "all knowing". Mohammed replied that all is correct and ordered me to write down everything i am saying in the Quran. He said that is right, that is how it is descended to me'.

If Abdullah Ibn Saad had just kept quiet without going to Mecca to expose Mohammed as a fraud, he life would not have been in danger. It took the intervention of his stepbrother, Uthman Ibn Affan, to save him from possible to execution by Mohammed and his fellow gangster, the sahabas.

So do you want me to believe the work of Abdullah Ibn Saad and Mohammed as a word from allahh? Not possible. Read the references I provided you and prove me wrong. They are not written by Islamophobe like me but Arab Muslim historians whose works are older than sahih bukhari's hadith.

My third point, the hadith condemned the reliability and authenticity of the Qur'an. Read the hadith below by bukhari:


Narrated Zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari:
who was one of those who used to write the Divine Revelation: Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama
(where a great number of Qurra' were killed). 'Umar was present with Abu Bakr who said, 'Umar has come to me and said, The people have suffered heavy casualties on the day of (the battle of) Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among the Qurra' (those who know the Qur'an by heart) at other battle-fields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an MAY BE LOST, unless you collect it . And I am of the opinion that you should collect the Qur'an." Abu Bakr added, "I said to 'Umar,
'How can I do something WHICH ALLAH’S APOSTLE HAS NOT DONE?'
'Umar said (to me), 'By Allah, it is (really) a good thing.' So 'Umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his proposal, till Allah opened my bosom for it and I had the same opinion as 'Umar." (Zaid bin Thabit added Umar was sitting with him (Abu Bakr) and was not speaking me. "You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you (of telling lies or of forgetfulness): and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. Therefore, look for the Qur'an and collect it (in one manuscript)."
By Allah, if he (Abu Bakr) had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would not have been harder for me than what he had ordered me concerning the collection of the Qur'an. I said to both of them , "How dare you do a thing WHICH THE PROPHET HAS NOT DONE?" Abu Bakr said, "By Allah, it is (really) a good thing. So I kept on arguing with him about it till Allah opened my bosom for that which He had opened the bosoms of Abu Bakr and Umar. So I started locating Qur'anic material and collecting it from parchments, scapula, leaf-stalks of date palms and from the memories of men (who knew it by heart).
I found with Khuzaima two Verses of Surat-at-Tauba WHICH I HAD NOT FOUND WITH ANYONE ELSE, (and they were):--
"Verily there has come to you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty He (Muhammad) is ardently anxious over you (to be rightly guided)" (9.128)
The manuscript on which the Qur'an was collected, remained with Abu Bakr till Allah took him unto Him, and then with 'Umar till Allah took him unto Him, and finally it remained with Hafsa, Umar's daughter. (Sahih al-Bukhari , Volume 6, Book 60, Number 201)

The number of memorizers that died was 450:

“During the battle of Yamama, 450 reciters of the Qur'an were killed.” (The True Guidance - An Introduction To Qur'anic Studies, published by Light of Life, P.O. BOX 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria, part 4, p. 47– citing Ibn Kathir’s Al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya , chapter on Battle of Yamama)

According to another source, when these men died they took with them portions of the Qur'an that they alone had memorized:
Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorised them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known; nor had Abu Bakr, nor `Umar nor `Uthman as yet collected the texts of the Qur'an . (Burton: The published text ought here to be amended: for "fa lamma jama`a Abu Bakr", I propose to read: "wa lamma yajma` Abu Bakr", to follow: "lam yuktab".)

Those lost passages were not to be found with anyone after the deaths of those who had memorised them . This, I understand, was one of the considerations which impelled them to pursue the Qur'an during the reign of Abu Bakr , committing it to sheets for fear that there should perish in further theatres of war men who bore much of the Qur'an which they would take to the grave with them on their fall, and which, with their passing, would not be found with any other. (John Burton, The Collection of the Qur'an , pp. 126-127, Abu Bakr `Abdullah b. abi Da'ud, Kitab al-Masahif’, ed. A. Jeffery, Cairo, 1936/1355, p. 23; bold emphasis ours)

Don't be in a hurry Aminusanti, read and research more on the above and see how your so-called allahh preserved the Quran. Its been long I have been told this lies, but thank God for the internet and YouTube videos, I am now more exposed to Islamic lies and tricks.

true2god:
Well I am not surprised because the Quran is filled with curses against the Christians and the Jews (Qur'an 98:6, 9:30; 5:51, etc) and also physical threats against them (Quran 9:29). So your claim, as a Muslim, is not new. We are used to Muslims' threats and abuses, both from the mosques and from the Quran. This is why it is hard to trust a Muslim, whether a moderate or a radical one.

You made a claim that the Torah and the injil had been tampered with by the Jews and the Christians, can you please provide the original copies of the Bible? It is onus on you on provide an evidence in order to validate your claim. And your using different textual variance as evidence is too weak because various versions of the Bible has translational variations and not doctrinal variation. A 'king James version' of the holy Bible can use the English word 'thou shall not kill' while an NIV will use modern English 'you should not kill. And fya, both sentences are the same line of thought but with different English language patterns. This is also application in different versions of the Qur'an such as sahih international, picktail version, Yusuf Ali's version etc. So stop using semantics to drive hope your points.

On the reliability and the integrity of the Quran, it is very clear that the Quran is not the word of any God but the thought and imaginations of Mohammed. How do I know this? Very simple. From your own Islamic text, the sunnah, the sirah by Ibn Hisham and the hadith. Let's take it one by one, first the sunnah according to Ibn maggah. See the hadith narrations below:

Sunnah ibn maggah, hadith number 1944, as narrated by Aisha:

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

See similar story in sahih bukhari so that you don't say the hadith is 'weak':

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death) , near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque."
Sahih Bukhari 2:23:413

Narrated 'Aisha: Sad bin Abi Waqqas and 'Abu bin Zam'a quarreled over a boy. Sad said, "O Allah's Apostle! This boy is the son of my brother ('Utba bin Abi Waqqas) who took a promise from me that I would take him as he was his (illegal) son. Look at him and see whom he resembles." 'Abu bin Zam'a said, "O Allah's Apostle! This is my brother and was born on my father's bed from his slave-girl." Allah's Apostle cast a look at the boy and found definite resemblance to 'Utba and then said, "The boy is for you, O 'Abu bin Zam'a. The child goes to the owner of the bed and the adulterer gets nothing but the stones (despair, i.e. to be stoned to death). Then the Prophet said, "O Sauda bint Zama! Screen yourself from this boy." So, Sauda never saw him again.
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:421

From the above, it is very clear that the verse of stoning was ommitted from the Quran because Aisha was very careless with the manuscript hence a goat ate it where she kept it which prompted its omission from the Quran after its compilation by Uthman Ibn Affan, the 3rd khalifa.

How then can you say the Quran is a complete word of allahh when some verses were mistakingly or deliberately omitted?

The second issue is the integrity of the Qur'an. The Qur'an lacks integrity because some if the sahabas and scribes whom Mohammed used in writing the Qur'an were not writing exactly what Mohammed asked them to write. One of the men caught in this act is Abdullah Ibn Saad.

According to Islamic tradition 'Al Sira Al Nabawiya' by Ibn Hisham (chapter 4, page 57 and 58) and 'Al sira Al halabiya' by Al halabi (chapter 3, page 90 and 91), Mohammed ordered the killing of Abdullah Ibn Saad because he deceived him by writing another thing while Mohammed dictated another thing. Part of the Quranic verses he mis-wrote was Quran 23:14. Part of what he did was that he said 'so blessed be allahh the best creators' before Mohammed said it. Since it followed Mohammed's flow he (Mohammed) asked Abdullah Ibn Saad to include it.

Abdullah Ibn Saad went back to Mecca, from Medina, and left Islam (murtad) and told the quraysh:

'I was manipulating Mohammed the way I like, if Mohammed said "all wise" I will say "all knowing". Mohammed replied that all is correct and ordered me to write down everything i am saying in the Quran. He said that is right, that is how it is descended to me'.

If Abdullah Ibn Saad had just kept quiet without going to Mecca to expose Mohammed as a fraud, he life would not have been in danger. It took the intervention of his stepbrother, Uthman Ibn Affan, to save him from possible to execution by Mohammed and his fellow gangster, the sahabas.

So do you want me to believe the work of Abdullah Ibn Saad and Mohammed as a word from allahh? Not possible. Read the references I provided you and prove me wrong. They are not written by Islamophobe like me but Arab Muslim historians whose works are older than sahih bukhari's hadith.

aminusanti:
you people are confused and funny at the same time lol..you already reject the idea of Quran being from God why then are you trying to comment of these Quranic verses ??
you are jst trying to twist things here, i made this clear in my prev post. you are failing to comprehend what you read honestly.

here is what i said again..

" "None can change His words", i am saying that there is no one who could change what He has informed in His books about anything which is bound to happen during it's time or has been postponed. It all happens as Allah says it would".

when you truly understand the above comment you will know there is no need for all you examples and explanations.

According to Islam, Allah Almighty (GOD Almighty) in the Bible promised those who try to tamper His Words in the Bible to face hell fire, because He knew that it was going to happen and that's part of it that you are trying to explain above. He gave the people of the book (Jews and Christians) a chance/test and they simply blew it!. Today, there is no one Bible!. The number of Books/Gospels in the Roman Catholics Bible for instance is different from the King James Version Bible, which is different in the number of Books/Gospels from the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible, which is different in the number of Books/Gospels from the Mormon's Bible, etc...

Look at Noble Verse 5:13 from the Noble Quran:
"But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)." Israel, when it lost Allah Almighty's grace, began to sin against truth and religion in three ways: (1) they began to misuse Scripture itself, by either taking words out of their right meaning, or applying them to things for which they were never meant; (2) in doing so, they conveniently forgot a part of the Message and purpose of Allah; and (3) they invented new deceits to support the old ones.

Let us look at Noble Verse 5:41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."

Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran on the other hand, did promise that He will personally guard the Noble Quran from corruption. He never promised hell fire to anyone who tries to tamper His words in the Noble Quran. He will guard it Himself; "ALLAH have, without a doubt, sent down the Message (The Quran); and ALLAH will assuredly Guard it [from corruption]. (The Noble Quran, 15:9)." Today we have only one Arabic Noble Quran unlike the Bible that has many..




Just look at how you are mixing things up here... by fire by force you pple turn to be Quranic Mufasir (writer of a commentary on the Quran.) in other to win arguments...
I thought you are fair in your judgement to put the comparison like below...

>>Verily, His command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, “Be!”– and it is!) [Quran Surah Yasin:82)

>>The Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. - [Quran 2:117]

The koran says the above. The Bible says Below

>> Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.[Deuteronomy 4:2]

>> " How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?[Jeremiah 8:8]



*In Deuteronomy 4:2is Yahweh here talking about +/- in his commandments ? i thought men can't temper with his words??
* what was handled falsely in Jeremiah 8:8?


thats according to your own view
Whoever does not believe in the Torah and Gospels as a revelation of God is not a Muslim by consensus of ALL Muslim scholars no matter the denomination. Fortunately, the last revelation (Quran) came to correct and rectify the previously distorted facts about who God is

>>Verse (5:48)<<
“To thee (Muhammad) We sent the scripture(Qur'an) in truth confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety...

Well I am not surprised because the Quran is filled with curses against the Christians and the Jews (Qur'an 98:6, 9:30; 5:51, etc) and also physical threats against them (Quran 9:29). So your claim, as a Muslim, is not new. We are used to Muslims' threats and abuses, both from the mosques and from the Quran. This is why it is hard to trust a Muslim, whether a moderate or a radical one.

You made a claim that the Torah and the injil had been tampered with by the Jews and the Christians, can you please provide the original copies of the Bible? It is onus on you on provide an evidence in order to validate your claim. And your using different textual variance as evidence is too weak because various versions of the Bible has translational variations and not doctrinal variation. A 'king James version' of the holy Bible can use the English word 'thou shall not kill' while an NIV will use modern English 'you should not kill. And fya, both sentences are the same line of thought but with different English language patterns. This is also application in different versions of the Qur'an such as sahih international, picktail version, Yusuf Ali's version etc. So stop using semantics to drive hope your points.

On the reliability and the integrity of the Quran, it is very clear that the Quran is not the word of any God but the thought and imaginations of Mohammed. How do I know this? Very simple. From your own Islamic text, the sunnah, the sirah by Ibn Hisham and the hadith. Let's take it one by one, first the sunnah according to Ibn maggah. See the hadith narrations below:

Sunnah ibn maggah, hadith number 1944, as narrated by Aisha:

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

See similar story in sahih bukhari so that you don't say the hadith is 'weak':

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death) , near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque."
Sahih Bukhari 2:23:413

Narrated 'Aisha: Sad bin Abi Waqqas and 'Abu bin Zam'a quarreled over a boy. Sad said, "O Allah's Apostle! This boy is the son of my brother ('Utba bin Abi Waqqas) who took a promise from me that I would take him as he was his (illegal) son. Look at him and see whom he resembles." 'Abu bin Zam'a said, "O Allah's Apostle! This is my brother and was born on my father's bed from his slave-girl." Allah's Apostle cast a look at the boy and found definite resemblance to 'Utba and then said, "The boy is for you, O 'Abu bin Zam'a. The child goes to the owner of the bed and the adulterer gets nothing but the stones (despair, i.e. to be stoned to death). Then the Prophet said, "O Sauda bint Zama! Screen yourself from this boy." So, Sauda never saw him again.
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:421

From the above, it is very clear that the verse of stoning was ommitted from the Quran because Aisha was very careless with the manuscript hence a goat ate it where she kept it which prompted its omission from the Quran after its compilation by Uthman Ibn Affan, the 3rd khalifa.

How then can you say the Quran is a complete word of allahh when some verses were mistakingly or deliberately omitted?

aminusanti:
why wont anyone1 run away when you are only arguing to win n get likes..
You have no record of me running away from your post so chillax I will still get bck to you shortly

If you didn't run away why did you make a bogus claim that you could not skilfully support hence ignored the thread completely?

Argument/debate are meant to be won or lost, depending on who could provide a superior fact to back-up his claim. We debate to learn and I have lost numerous debate on nairaland and have equally learnt a lot from other people. It is not a shame to lose a debate, except for those who are dogmatic and allergic to a contrary opinion.

aminusanti:
brain dead indeed! someone who grw up believing in God die for your sin and yet still consider sin exist......something is wrong somewhere. think again Mr Man worshiper

You run away from this thread, why?

https://www.nairaland.com/3965454/quran-affirms-gospels-then-it

You could not back-up your claims with facts hence you choosed to walk away.

Create a topic on the divinity of Christ so that we thrash it out. This may be a good chance for you to validate Muslims' argument, since this is the only topic Muslims seem to have strength.

EazyMoh:
Lol Clap for yourselves then.

Knowledge is power. Islam thrive where people are grossly ignorant of the religion. No sane person remains a Muslim if he reads the sirah and the history of the early years of Islam, from the first to the fifth caliph.