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smoy:
The Tora, Injil, Zebura etc are all from Allah and in Allah's mercy and wisdom decided to abrogate them all and for the one Allah coursed to be forgetting are not more part of the Qur'an, haven said that, on accuracy of Qur'an, several companies of the prophet do write down the revelation as they were recited by the Prophet and he asked each one of them to recite what they wrote back to back, one by one for Him to make sure they were all correct.

So you are saying that there are some so-called revelations from allahh that are no longer in the Quran? That's good. So where are the earlier revelations that are no longer in the Quran? Do you mean they are lost forever, like a corrupt file on a computer system that is lost and irrecoverable? If you can open your mind, you will learn that both the abrogated surah and the replaced surah are all in your Quran.

Concerning the scribes that helped Mohammed write his Quran, some of them write things completely different from what Mohammed dictated. One of the sahabas that deceived Mohammed, when writing down his so-called revelation, is Abdullah ibn Sa'ad ibn Abi Saar. He is the foster brother of Uthman ibn Affan, the 3rd rightly guided khalifah. You can read Sirah rasul allahh by ibn Hisham to get more clue. You can also check this info online.

Abdullah ibn Saab ibn Abi Saar, upon learning that Mohammed's alleged revelations were fake, left Islam and went back to mecca to tell the Meccans that he doctored some of what Mohammed asked him to write and that Mohammed willingly accepted his suggestions on the modifications of the so-called revelations. If Mohammed was proofreading what the sahabas were writing, this wouldn't have happened, that is scribal errors.

If one of the scribes can manipulate the content of the Quran, what about other scribes who choosed to remain discreet?

smoy:
Apart fro Prophet Muhammad (saw) whom Allah reveal Qur'an for span of years (23 years) as the situation warranted but for all other prophets including Jesus they were given their books at once, though Prophet Muhammad did no tell us much about their compilations but we were made to know that they were given books and must of the prophet were learned and could write and read, Muhammad was only prophet who could not read and write, the book sticks to his unfailing memory and recited for his companions who could write them down. But Allah know best.

Don't lie against allahh and his apostle. Mohammed forgot many so-called revelations. See below:

None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things? (Quran 2:106).

This is called the doctrine of abrogation in Islam. You said Mohammed was an illiterate man, how did he write down his revelation? If he was assisted to write them down, how did he ensure that what his scribes wrote are accurate?

mujahid777:
We aren't saying a book of scrolls written in aramaic popped out from the skies and fell on Jesus's lap,if that's what you so vacously think.

Which book is Muslim talking about?

jstar376:
“Muslims Are Allowed In Islam To Marry Their Own Daughters” – Islamic Cleric Reveals


Mazen Al -Sersawi , a prominent Egyptian Salafist cleric has suggested Islam allows men to have sex with their illegitimate daughters and marry them .
He cited prominent Muslim scholar Imam Al -Shafi ’i as saying because illegitimate daughters are not officially attributed to their fathers, they can be married to them .
He makes the claims in a video which has gone viral and he has been widely criticized for the comments . In the video, Al -Sersawi said Imam Al -Shafi ’i is known for saying men may marry their own daughters that are born out of wedlock .
Al -Sersawi , who teaches at the prestigious Egypt ’s Al -Azhar University, claims Al -Shafi ’I says a girl born in an adulterous relationship is ‘not really his daughter’.
Because an illegitimate daughter does not carry her father ’s name , ‘she is not his daughter according to Sharia . She is not officially attributed to him’.
“Muslims Are Allowed In Islam To Marry Their Own Daughters” – Islamic Cleric Reveals

Mazen Al-Sersawi, a prominent Egyptian Salafist cleric has suggested Islam allows men to have sex with their illegitimate daughters and marry them.

READ MORE:http://community.vanguardngr.com/forum/topics/muslims-are-allowed-in-islam-to-marry-their-own-daughters-islamic

He must have gotten this info from the hadith or the sunnah of the prophet of allahh. Before we condemn this true Muslim, let us check where he got his teachings from.

VulgarVulvas:
Crowned Prince Mohammed bin Salman is on a roll and has started a modern day reality game of thrones in Saudi Arabia within the last 24hrs to consolidate his future grip on power.

Only 48hrs prior, a major crackdown was launched by Saudi officials targeting 11 members of the royal family and 30 prominent business men who have been rounded up on money laundry, tax evasion and trumped up charges of corruption.

Crown Prince Salman replaced his much older uncle whom many believed was sacked on the behest of Salman himself. The former Crowned Prince who doubled as the powerful Minister of interior and whom is believed to be a favorite of the CIA has been confined to house arrest since last year.

The latest reports coming out from the kingdom, is that two Saudi royal princes were killed yesterday.

One was killed when the Saudi security forces tried to effect an arrest of him in his palace only for his bodyguards to engage in a fierce gun battle. The Saudi official narrative relating to his death is that he was killed by fire from one of his guards.

The other incidence that occurred in the early hours of yesterday morning involved a helicopter crash conveying another royal Saudi Prince and his entourage who crashed near the border with Yemen. Since Salman began his purge, an effective travel ban has been in place on all Saudi royals and business men. All private charter jets also have to be granted highest security clearance by the Saudi authorities. The helicopter crash near the Yemeni border appears to be the handwork of Salman and some suspect the helicopter was ferrying the unfortunate Saudi Prince out of Saudi Arabia in order to flee the purge. The Saudi govt is however insisting the crash was the handwork of the Iranian backed Houthi rebels who have been engaged in fierce battles with the Kingdom.

I on the other hand won't give a rat's ass over whatever calamity that befalls the house of Saud and can't wait for an outright full civil war to commence in that fairy tale Kingdom. But what I really want to know is if our dear bokos up north will be drafting their disposable almajiris to go fight in a war of brothers. Buhari, being the class A bigot and fundamentalist Islamic zealot will definitely put his gworo chewing mouth into what is playing out in that sand kingdom

Grab your popcorn and watch the greatest show begin - the unravelling of the evil house of Saud.

This is the cancer the so-called prophet created, the Al saud family. Anyway, Saudi Arabia had always been a gang-star and robber country before and after the death of that prophet (I don't want to name that popular name).

hatchy:
A man can cheat on his woman and still love her but a woman cannot cheat on her man and still love him. I say this because while men do not have sex with emotions, women can't have sex without attaching emotions to it. This is the reason men simply need a place to have sex while women need a reason to have sex.
Most women who take their husbands to court for divorce are those that cheat on their men. A non cheating woman would most likely never take her husband to court for divorce, unless the man exceedingly abuses her physically and emotionally to the point of killing her.

Men don't equate sex with love. A man can have sex with another woman but still doesn't love her. That's why women who fell in love with married men find it difficult to find happiness in those relationships as they are just being used by those married men. But once a married woman starts sleeping with you, she can even narrate some hidden secrets concerning her husband and she will even tell you why she hates him (her husband). She can even accept poison from you to eliminate her husband.

For men, sex and love are two different things. But for women, sex and love are one and the same things. For men, sex comes first before love (infatuation), but for women love comes first before sex (true love). Therefore, once your woman starts having sex with another man/men, her love shifts from you to that man and she can even start giving that man the best food and love than she gives you.

The fact that your man is cheating on you doesn't mean he has stopped loving you. But I can't say the same for women. Once a woman starts cheating on you, she has fallen for someone else and you people will never live the same again. And she can even kill her husband once she starts cheating on him.
If your wife starts cheating, you should be a lucky man not to die in less than 10 years. It has been found that 95% of women who cheat wish their husbands dead. That is the main reason why it is dangerous for a man to continue staying with a wife who cheats on him. That is why it is now encouraged everywhere in the world including in the Bible, for a man to divorce his wife only once she starts cheating on him. Cheating women are more deadly to husbands than ordinary criminals or weapons. There are many cheating women in the world who invite criminals to break into her house at night only to come and eliminate her man and police officers plus relatives can't detect this as the same woman tend to moan more than any person at the funeral so as to attract sympathy and hide her evil acts.

That's why psychologists discourage women,more than men, from cheating.

Women can't handle the emotional conflict that comes with cheating.

That's the reason an observant and intelligent man will notice that his wife has started cheating on him once he starts doing it because most women tend to lose respect for their husbands and try to avoid sex with them in most times.

Cheating Women will even be giving excuses for not wanting to have sex with their husbands. Study has revealed that nearly 90% of women who cheat find it hard to have enjoyable sex with their husbands, again an intelligent man will detect this once his wife's behavior with regard to sex start changing. But a dull man can never detect this and always tolerates fake excuses from his cheating wife until he is completely eliminated.

Women can't cheat on their partners with people they are not emotionally involved with. They attach emotions to everything. That's why you can't always trust their judgment. When a joke is cracked,most women who laugh are not laughing because the joke is funny but because they like the person who cracked the joke. If they don't like you, no matter how funny your joke may be, they won't laugh, but when a man laughs at a joke, it's because the joke is funny, not because he likes the comedian. Men are not always sentimental and emotionally involved.

Study has shown that every relationship begins to flounder once a woman starts cheating. There are many men who cheat on their partners but still show them true love. But it is very hard to find a relationship in which a woman is cheating and things still remain the same.

I repeat, nearly 100% of cheating women wish their husbands quick death or divorce to have unlimited sex freedom while nearly 100% of cheating men can't wish their wives quick death or divorce. That is why most men can't allow their wives to be physically or verbally abused by their girlfriends. Men will always stand for their wives.

A man would cheat but still love and respect his wife, but the opposite is true with cheating women.

Once your wife starts sleeping with other men/man, just know that your death is near.

Beware!

97% correct!

Empiree:
OK so God literally tossed IGBE (Dung) at corrupted people. Fantastic!

Thanks for speaking the truth

And I can remember 3yrs ago when I posed same question at ifean, she interpreted the verse

Thank God you are a Yoruba muslim who might have a fair understanding of how metaphoric sentences are used. If a Yoruba man says 'maa fo e lenu' (speaking literarily that he will damage your mouth) what he actually mean is that he will punish the person.

I forgive you because you are a Muslim, so I expected you interprete the verse the way you did. What the verse is simply saying is that God will disgrace the corrupt and rebellious priests. A dung on the face of anybody is a sign of disgrace and humiliation. You don't need be a student of literature in English to understand that simple and basic statement (Malachi 2:3) unless you want me to believe that you are a typical Muslim who needs an hadith, Islamic 'scholars' and tasfir to understand what allahh says in the Quran.

Empiree:
I trust true2go would be here. Did you forget to tell your buddy if Malach 2:3 is to be interpreted or taken literally?

It is God's judgement on corrupt priest. If you read Malachi 2:1-9 you will understand better. Yahweh, unlike the fake allahh, is very clear in the Bible. I don't need to use the hadith and tasfir to understand malachi 2:3. An unbiased and unislamic mind will understand the context much more easily.

plainbibletruth:
Islam wants to ATTRACT everyone, so it claims that every well known person from Adam to Jesus, particularly those having to do with Judaism and Christianity, was a Moslem.

Yet Islam refuses to accept the books recording the lives of these people because it wants to stick to its own version of the history of these people to make it conform to its worldview.

Particularly it wants all to accept that Mohamed was the "best" of the Prophets even when Islamic history itself shows otherwise. Mohamed CONTRAVENED everything the other Moslems are to do. For example, he had more wives and sex slaves than Allah allowed any Moslem: Yet no Moslem can pattern his life after this even though many Moslems will argue that they are to pattern their lives after his. They end up creating a larger-than-life picture of what Mohamed was for Moslems to follow.

Islam therefore resort to "reinterpretation" of what ordinarily should be simple to understand or interpret. And all this is to make people "see" what they want them to see and not the reality.

allahh seems to be a bad communicator hence Muslims all over the world usually fail to understand a simple sentence in the Quran. Muslims, in order to understand allahh have to go to the hadith, the tasfir and the so-called scholars because allahh was not clear in almost all his statements in the Koran.

Why do Muslims like deceiving themselves? To my knowledge Muslims seem to have a better understanding than allahh.

UmarIbnShittu:
the whole northern states consist of at least 70% muslims
. When u dey sit down for room hw u wan take knw statistics jst go die

And y r u panicking since u belive Christianity Is d light u don't have to panic

Sorry, I never knew you Muslims buy statistics in the market. When did Zakir Naik become a UN official or operate an NGO that keep statistics? I taught he was a quack medical doctor who couldn't do well in his trade hence diverted into Islamic brainwashing business. Anyway, the end justifies the means, 'make' Zakir Naik 'carry-go' with his business of brainwashing gullible and illiterate Muslims in the name of allahh.

Fya, I don't panick for anything because Islam cannot stand scrutiny without falling like a poker card. If you care I can send you videos on islam which will make you abandon allahh and his apostle.

UmarIbnShittu:
if truly u read d bible well u will knw y Allah ask muhammad (SAW) to ask d people of d book if he is in doubt abt him being the light

Which part of the Bible should I read to know Mohammed as the light?

bahaushe1:
No.

Allaah send Moses (pbuh) with Torah

Allaah send David (pbuh) with Psalm

Allaah send Jesus (pbuh) with Gospel, Gospel confirm what was in the Torah and Psalm. Allaah lifted certain restrictions for the children of Israel in the Gospel.

After the ascent of Jesus (pbuh) to heaven those divine books were either altered, misinterpreted, or both and hence the need for Quran.

Allaah send Muhammad with Quran confirming the Prophethood and Messengership of those before him and abrogating the legislation contained in the previous scriptures.

Muhammad (pbuh) was deliberately created unlettered, he neither read nor write. He couldn't have authored any book.


Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Muhammad (pbuh) authored Quran, why will Muhammad (pbuh), an Arab, choose to praise Prophets of the children of Israel in his 'book' more than his kinsmen? Neither the names of his wives, daughters, nor that of his mother appeared in a 'book' he supposedly authored. Quran narrated some stories that are not mentioned in the Bible, stories of Thamud, and 'Ad, and people of the cave. From wich scriptures could he have possibly gotten that?

Is there any proof from the Koran that the Torah and the injil had been tampered with? Why did allahh ask Mohammed to consult the people of the book for validation of his so-called revelation?

UmarIbnShittu:
Dr. ZAKIR NAIK
Dear all Muslim Brothers and Friends..
Please
Don't write GOD
Please Write always "Allah"
Because there is no description of GOD in
the HOLY QURAN.
Don't say "Mosque"
Always say "Masjid"
Because Islamic Organization has found that
Mosque means, Mosquitoes.
Don't write "Mecca"
write always correctly
"Makkah" Because
Mecca means House of
Wines.
Don't write "Mohd"
write always completely
"Muhammad" Because
Mohd means The dog with big mouth.
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Please forward it to our Muslim Friends.
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Muslim population
Afghanistan 100%
Albania 75%
Algeria 99%
Angola 25%
Argentina 2%
Australia 2.09%
Azerbaijan 93%
Bahrin 100%
Bangladesh 85%
Bhutan 5%
Brazil 0.6%
Burma 10%
Canada 1.48%
Cntral africn 55%
China 11%
Egypt 94%
Ethopia 65%
Fiji 11%
France 7%
Georgia 11%
Germeny 3.4%
Greece 1.5%
Guinea 95%
Guyana 15%
Hongkong 1%
India 14%
Indonesia 85%
Iran 99%
Iraq 97%
Isreal 14%
Italy 1%
Japan 1%
Jordan 95%
Kenya 30%
Kuwait 89%
Lebanon 70%
Libya 100%
Maldives 100%
Malasiya 52%
Mauritius 19.5%
Mayotte 99%
Nigeria 75%
Oman 100%
Pakistan 97%
Phillipines 14%
Qatar 100%
Romania 20%
Russia 18%
Saudi arab 100%
Singapore 17%
Somalia 100%
Sri lanka 9%
Sudan 85%
Syria 90%
Tazakistan 85%
Tanzania 65%
Thailand 14%
Tunisia 98%
Turkey 99.8%
UAE 96%
UK 2.5%
USA 3.75%
Uzbekistan 88%
Where the Prophets originated..
Adam(AS) - Sri Lanka
Nooh(AS) - Jordan
Shoaib(AS) - Syria
Saleh(AS) - Lebanon
Ibrahim(AS) - Palestine and died in iraq
Ismail(AS) - Saudi Arabia
Yakoob(AS) - Palestine
Yahya(AS) Palestine
Zakariya (AS) Palestine
Ishaq(AS) - Palestine
Yusuf(AS) - Palestine
Looth(AS) - Iraq
Ayub(AS) - Jordan
Hood(AS) - Yamen
Nabi-Muhammad (SAW) - Saudi Arabia
Ages of Prophets
Adam(AS) - 1000 Yrs
Nooh(A S) - 950 Yrs
Shoaib(AS) - 882 Yrs
Saleh(AS) - 586 Yrs
Zakariyya(AS) - 207 Yrs
Ibrahim(AS) - 195 Yrs
Sulayman(AS) - 150 Yrs
Ismail(AS) - 137 Yrs
Yakoob(AS) - 129 Yrs
Musa(AS) - 125 Yrs
Ishaq(AS) - 120 Yrs
Haroon(AS) - 119 Yrs
Yusuf(AS) - 110 Yrs
Eesa(AS) - 40 Yrs
NABI MUHAMMAD (SAW) - 63 Yrs
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You hardly have timej for Allah; but He loves
you and always blesses you. He is always
with you. I need you to spend 30mns of
your time with him today. Don't pray, just
praise Him.
Today I want this message across the world
before midnight. Will you help? Please do
not I cut the chain.
He always grants you all the things that you
are in need of. So please drop everything
and pass this on. Don't break this chain.
Send this to other friends.
Why Do we feel sleepy in Prayer? But stay
awake throughout a 3 hours movie.
Why are we so bored when we look at the
HOLY BOOK? But find it easy to read other
books.
Why is it so easy to ignore a message about
Allah? Yet we forward the nasty/funny ones.
Why are Masjids getting smaller? But Bars
and Night Clubs are expanding.
Why is it so easy to worship a celebrity? But
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Islam and bogus statistics. Where do you get this statistics from? Your mosque?

Zakir Nakir, just like your fake and illiterate prophet, is a big liar who can say anything to make his paymasters (Saudi Arabia) happy while at the same time deceive his illiterate and gullible Muslim audience. And FYA, Zakir Naik had been banned from entering the US and Britain and he is currently a wanted man by th Indian govt for his promotion of Islamic terror, especially in India and Pakistan.

Mohammed said: I have been made victorious through terror (sahih bukhari 4:52:220).

Rashduct4luv:
Quote a verse without ambiguity where Jesus in a simple sentence said he's God or God's son?

Can you quote any biblical verse, without ambiguity, where Jesus said 'I am not the son of God', 'I am not God', and 'don't worship me"?

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damariox:
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Connect? As in?

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Rashduct4luv:
What's the difference?

Islamic Jesus is a different character from the Christian Jesus. While the Christian Jesus claimed to be the son of God and at the same time a son of man, Islamic Jesus is not the son of God. While the Christian Jesus claimed he will be killed by the gentiles and will rise again on the third day, the Islamic Jesus did not die. Allahh claimed to have deceived the people to believe that the person that died was Jesus, but allahh replaced him with another one. Islamic Jesus was a mere man, an ordinary prophet of whose prophethood status is lower than Mohammed (because according to Islam, Mohammed is the last and the greatest prophet) while the Christian Jesus is the son of God, the messiah and the saviour.

Rashduct4luv:
Is God not able to do all things? He created Adam from earth, Eve from Adam both without any human conception. He created them from nothing. I think they are greater miracles than Jesus's.

So Adam was not given birth to? Good that you corrected yourself.

Hope you now understand the difference between the Christian and the Islamic Jesus.

Rashduct4luv:
We already believed in Jesus and other Prophets not because of the miracles they did cos false prophets are capable of doing that and not because of how they are born cos Adam and Eve had miraculous births too.

Adam and eve did not have any miraculous birth because their is no sexual conceptions before they come to be. God created them directly, as first human beings. The only person that has a miraculous birth is Jesus because there was no sexual consummation because he was conceived as sexx is the only way another human can come to earth after the creation of Adam and Eve.

Besides, Islamic Jesus is a different character from the Christian Jesus. While the Christian Jesus claimed to be the son of God and at the same time a son of man, Islamic Jesus is not the son of God. While the Christian Jesus claimed he will be killed by the gentiles and will rise again on the third day, the Islamic Jesus did not die. Allahh claimed to have deceived the people to believe that the person that died was Jesus, but allahh replaced him with another one. Islamic Jesus was a mere man, an ordinary prophet of whose prophethood status is lower than Mohammed (because according to Islam, Mohammed is the last and the greatest prophet) while the Christian Jesus is the son of God, the messiah and the saviour.

So which Jesus do you believe in, the Islamic Jesus or the Christian Jesus?

Rashduct4luv:
Alhamdulillah, It is clear that we have the Qur'an and the hadiths. The Bible as it is today can not be compared to any of our Books especially in terms of Authenticity and soundness of authorship. While the Qur'an contains messages, laws, etc in Allah's words, the hadiths contains the traditions of the Prophet, his approval/rejection, etc.

i have tried to correct your confusion of the name Abdullah before the Prophet came that the past Arabia tribe know the supreme God to be Allah. They erroneously worship idols to move closer to Him but they never described Allah as an idol. But you still bring it up again.

To further confuse you more, Islam has never been a new religion! It has been the religion of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, etc.

Mind you a Sirah can be true or false.

The Illiterate man became the Most popular man in History and the way you abuse shows how really you are as a christian christ like. It seems to me you are uncouth and ill-bred. If you cant argue you points logically then you resort to abuse of our Prophet. We can't abuse Jesus. We honour and pray for him.

If you like abuse Jesus, wetin concern me? Na you get your mouth.

Mohammed is the most popular man in history. To the Muslims, he is a prophet, a hero, a military strategist and an illiterate man. To non-muslims, Mohammed is a pedophile, a criminal and a false prophet. So it depends on side of the world you are.

You said the Quran and the hadith are sound and accurate. I laugh in Chinese, 'kia-kia-kia-kia'. When did Mohammed die and when was the hadith compiled? The hadith was compiled 240 years after the death of the fake prophet Mohammed. The most authentic hadith was compiled by a Russian from Uzbekistan who knew nothing about Mohammed except the Chinese whisper and gossip which you guys called oral transmission. The so-called most authentic hadith is an Arabian gossip compiled by imam Bukhari on the alleged sayings and lives of the fake prophet. The hadith had been rejected by millions of Muslims, both the Sunnis and the shia, who see the material as very embarrassing to the integrity of the fake prophet. Hence Muslims, to escape this problems, criminally divided the hadith into authentic, weak and fake hadith. And you know what, the authentic, weak and the fake hadith are all in the same book. I wonder how Muslims think?

As for the Qur'an, Mohammed didn't received any revelation from any person called allahh, neither did he see any angel jibril. Can you show me a single hadith, sirah or Qur'anic verse where allahh talk to Mohammed directly or where an angel told Mohammed, personally that he is angel jibril? Bros, there is no single place where jibril directly told Mohammed that he is an angel, nowhere. It was waraqa that told Mohammed that he might have encountered an angel. Its funny that 100% Muslims trust waraqa, a single agnostic Arabian Christian but do not trust the testimony of the rest of over 2billion Christians worldwide. That's what islam had turned Muslims into.

You have little understanding of your religion. However if you don't mind, I can share hundreds of videos with you so that you can study more of your religion outside the Islamic circles.

Dalam0n:
I met a crazy muslim yesterday. .

He said pigs and monkeys are human beings (Jews) that were disobedient to Allah and he punished them by turning them into pigs and monkeys during the time of Prophet Musa. I couldn't believe my ears because he was speaking with so much confidence.

Even Mohammed had mental issues during his days. This was narrated by Aisha herself in one of the ha-death. If not, why will Mohammed call the Jews descendants of apes and pigs?

alBHAGDADI:
Read and learn

true2god

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Rashduct4luv:
I don't really know what is wrong with you Christians. who is James? James what? what do you know about him? Is the Gospel of James the Gospel Jesus was sent to preach?

Why not quote where Jesus talked about the Greatest commandment?

I cant really pinpoint your problem. You have nothing to fault our history. It's better to keep mute pls.

Every Messengers preached the concept of One and Only God (not 3 in one). Moses, Abraham and all other never believed in three in one Gods. We can say Christians worship three gods and some pray to Mary as the mother of god.

Oh, so the epistle of James, who was one of the disciples or sahabas of Jesus, is not important while your hadith, where Mohammed never spoke directly is very perfect, only second to the Qur'an. Islamic magical logic is perfectly skewed. Why do you condemn the epistles of the early Christians while you accept the hadith?

You need not throw ad-homein around while you refused to face the argument. There is nowhere the Bible talked about 3 gods. What the Bible taught is one God (the father), who send his son (which Mohammed denied) while the son promised the coming of the holy spirit. Mohammed, being an illiterate, and ignorant of the Torah and the injil, assumed that the Bible taught God the father, Jesus the son and Mary, instead of the holy spirit (Quran 9:28-30). If Mohammed had understood this simple Christian doctrine, he wouldn't have put Muslims into this serious confusion.

As I said earlier, anybody can believe in one God, but which of the one God are you talking about? Is it the Arabian god called allahh that Mohammed forcefully promoted into a supreme being or Yahweh who the Jews had been serving, thousand of years, before Mohammed was born? Is it not the same allahh that Mohammed's grandfather was worshipping before naming his son Abdullah (slave of allahh)? Read you sirah by ibn Ishaq and ibn Hisham.

The problem is when an illiterate and irrational man claimed to receive revelations such that he forgot some, and also failed to write them down with his own hand, to ensure a zero-tolerance of scribal error. And unfortunately many people are following and reverencing this so-called illiterate prophet.

Rashduct4luv:
Stop being a pessimist, Jesus Christ was said to wine & Dine with sinners! We are not encouraged to do all those sins but we are told the Importance of worshiping Allah only without ascribing partners to Him.

Jesus was asked which commandment is the Greatest and his response was similar to Worshiping the one and only God with all your might.


There are other commandments like do not steal,do not fornicate etc but he did not mention all that. I think a word is enough for the wise!

Worshiping one God is not the exclusive doctrine of Islam. The Jews and the Christians had been preaching 'one God' even when Mohammed's father and grandfather were worshiping the Arabian idol in kabba.

James 2:19 says:

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.

The above Bible verse summarizes Islam's monotonous and trademark claim that worshiping only one God, being it Ogun, Ifa, Alusi, Tchukwu, Obong, is OK as long as you claim to worship only one God. The question you need ask yourself is, is allahh the true god or an Arabian idol?

Mohammed's father and grandfather are both idol worshipper, what make Mohammed different from them? Nothing, except that he heard an entity, who never told him he was angel jibril, but another person, waraqa told him he must have been an angel jibril that spoke to him (Mohammed). If waraqa had told Mohammed a lie how can he verify?

Islam is based on Waraqa who told Mohammed that the demon he saw at the cave of Hirah was an angel. Waraqa assisted Mohammed start Islam.

Lionofdjungle:
You are an apostate! You'd better repent and don't let Satan use you. God disciplines those whom he loves; you will be reinstated if you genuinely repent. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE ONE

He has his life to leave, why call him an apostate just because he no longer follow the watchtower beliefs?

Rashduct4luv:
What a beautiful Hadith you've got up there! Just that you don't understand it.

The principle is simple. Worship Allah only dutifully and associate no partner with him. Even if you are guilty of some other sins, Allah can forgive you or punish you for it. But the one who dies associating partners with Allah will be doomed to Hell.

This makes sense.

To the concept of killing one's son or daughter because he/she apostate, no one has the power to do that.

It can only happen in a state/country ruled entirely by Islamic laws. In an Islamic country, one who turns apostate commits treason just as one who turns against his country.

So if I get you right, you can kill, steal, rape, etc, and that's is not a problem as long as you believe in allahh and his one and only apostle, as ascribe no partner with allahh. Thanks for making me understand more about Islam.

umarshek6:
I gladly choose death

I have an uncle who is an apostate and. I HATE him
u knw wat u guyz do u use ur slutty women to trap weak minded men like him u guys use bribe,vudoo wat a shamfull religion

You hate your uncle because he decided to abandon allahh and his apostle? I pray you won't kill him one day, with the intensity of hatred I can perceive in your soul. Get a life; you better leave the Arabian death cult called Islam.

true2god:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 006, Book 061, hadith number 509:

Narrated By Zaid bin Thabit : Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the! Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project. "Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book)." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an.

Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is:
'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty... (till the end of Surat-Baraa' (At-Tauba) (9.128-129) Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with 'Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of Umar.

Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934)
1. The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” (Hasan)
Ibn Majah Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1944

Also read the biography of Mohammed (sirah) by ibn Hisham and get a clue of how Abdullah ibn Sa'ad ibn Abi sarh manipulated Mohammed when assisting Mohammed in writing the Quran:

“‘To me it has been revealed’, when naught has been revealed to him” refers to `Abdallah Ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh, who used to write for God’s messenger. The verse (23:12) that says, “We created man of an extraction of clay” was revealed, and when Muhammad reached the part that says, “… thereafter We produced him as another creature (23:14), `Abdallah said, “So blessed be God the fairest of creators!” in amazement at the details of man’s creation. The prophet said, “Write it down; for thus it has been revealed.” `Abdallah doubted and said, “If Muhammad is truthful then I receive the revelation as much as he does, and if he is a liar, what I said is a good as what he said.” (Tafsir Anwar al-Tanzil wa Asrar al-Ta’wil [by Abdallah ibn Umar Al-Baidawi])

Narrated Sa’d: On the day when Mecca was conquered, the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave protection to the people except four men and two women and he named them. Ibn AbuSarh was one of them. He then narrated the tradition. He said: Ibn Abi Sarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. When the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) called the people to take the oath of allegiance, he brought him and made him stand before the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). He said: Apostle of Allah, receive the oath of allegiance from him. He raised his head and looked at him thrice, denying him every time. After the third time he received his oath. He then turned to his companions and said: Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Apostle of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a prophet to have a treacherous eye. (Abu Dawud 14:2677)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Abdullah ibn AbuSarh used to write (the revelation) for the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). Satan made him slip, and he joined the infidels. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) commanded to kill him on the day of Conquest (of Mecca). Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave him protection. (Abu Dawud 38:4345)

it is the speech of a noble Messenger. It is not the speech of a poet (little do you believe) nor the speech of a soothsayer (little do you remember). A sending down from the Lord of all Being. Had he invented against Us any sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand, then We would surely have cut his life-artery ( Qur'an. 69:40-46)

Consider how harsh these warnings are… Allah threatens to kill Muhammad if he dared to concoct statements in his deity’s name or change the inspiration which supposedly came to him.

This is how Mohammed died:

Sahih al-Bukhari 2617—A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and was asked, “Shall we kill her?” He said, “No.” Anas added: “I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah’s Messenger.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2797—The Prophet said, . . . “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is! I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred, and then come back to life again and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 4428—The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

Sahih Muslim 5430—A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger with poisoned mutton and he took of what had been brought to him. (When the effects of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4498—A Jewess presented [Muhammad] at Khaibar a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah ate of it and the people also ate. He then said: Lift your hands (from eating), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr b. al-Bara b. Ma’rur al-Ansari died. So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done? She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I would rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaibar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.

Mohammed is a false prophet!

Rashduct4luv:
The Qur'an is the only divine Book in the world unedited, unrevised, still preserved in its original tongue and the most recited and memorised in its original form.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 006, Book 061, hadith number 509:

Narrated By Zaid bin Thabit : Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the! Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project. "Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book)." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an.

Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is:
'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty... (till the end of Surat-Baraa' (At-Tauba) (9.128-129) Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with 'Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of Umar.

Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934)
1. The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” (Hasan)
Ibn Majah Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1944

Also read the biography of Mohammed (sirah) by ibn Hisham and get a clue of how Abdullah ibn Sa'ad ibn Abi sarh manipulated Mohammed when assisting Mohammed in writing the Quran:

“‘To me it has been revealed’, when naught has been revealed to him” refers to `Abdallah Ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh, who used to write for God’s messenger. The verse (23:12) that says, “We created man of an extraction of clay” was revealed, and when Muhammad reached the part that says, “… thereafter We produced him as another creature (23:14), `Abdallah said, “So blessed be God the fairest of creators!” in amazement at the details of man’s creation. The prophet said, “Write it down; for thus it has been revealed.” `Abdallah doubted and said, “If Muhammad is truthful then I receive the revelation as much as he does, and if he is a liar, what I said is a good as what he said.” (Tafsir Anwar al-Tanzil wa Asrar al-Ta’wil [by Abdallah ibn Umar Al-Baidawi])

Narrated Sa’d: On the day when Mecca was conquered, the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave protection to the people except four men and two women and he named them. Ibn AbuSarh was one of them. He then narrated the tradition. He said: Ibn Abi Sarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. When the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) called the people to take the oath of allegiance, he brought him and made him stand before the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). He said: Apostle of Allah, receive the oath of allegiance from him. He raised his head and looked at him thrice, denying him every time. After the third time he received his oath. He then turned to his companions and said: Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Apostle of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a prophet to have a treacherous eye. (Abu Dawud 14:2677)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Abdullah ibn AbuSarh used to write (the revelation) for the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). Satan made him slip, and he joined the infidels. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) commanded to kill him on the day of Conquest (of Mecca). Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave him protection. (Abu Dawud 38:4345)

The hallmark of Islam is deception and extreme brainwashing. Muslims, the ones in Europe and America, claim we worship the same God (to make the Jews and Christians comfortable) but will be quick to curse them in Arabic when reciting the al-fatiha (Quran 1: 1-7) because they (the Jews and the Christians) do not understand Arabic and most, over 98%, have no understanding of Islamic theology.

More than 99% of Christians think that the Qur'an is the only source for Islamic doctrine and this is what Muslims want them to believe. Most Christians have never heard of the hadith, the tasfir, the sira and the sunnah. This is because over 85% of Islamic laws and practices are never found in the Qur'an. My Muslim colleague was shocked when I listed all Islamic source documents. When one understands what is written in the hadith and the sira, against the Christians and the Jews, you will fear Islam. You will understand that Islam is a complete declaration of enmity between mankind based on belief.

If Muslims, Jews and Christians worship the same God there will be no these verses in the Quran (Qur'an 9:29-30, 5:51, 98:6, 8:39, 1:1-7, etc). Its unfortunate that Islam and Christianity are two parallel lines that cannot meet; a diametrically opposite view and belief system. There is no single verse in the Quran where allahh loves non-muslims (80% of humanity) or where allahh asked Muslims to love non-muslims. There is none!

No matter how Muslims want to spin it, allahh remains a pre-islamic Arabian deity who was worshipped by Mohammed's grand father (Abdul-mutalib) and his father (Abdullah ibn Abdul-mutalib).