₦airaland Forum

Empiree:
you still don't get it. The land belongs to muslims. Islam does not recognize nationals in this regards. So "israeli-palestinian conflicts" as the media made you to believe is a very wrong headline. But bcuz of the geographic location, many muslims feel distanced and they think it is Arab thing. No damn it, it is not.

When you say the headline, 'Israel-palestinian conflict', is a wrong headline, what should be your standard Islamic headline? Or what should be the best headline to describe the conflict?

You made a point that Islam does not recognize nationals (in this regard), you are perfectly right. In fact you are a good Muslim for telling the non-muslims what over 99% of them did not understand about Islamic theology. According to Islam, all land belong to allahh and the inhabitants must submit to allahh's religion, either voluntarily or by force.

So the Muslims, especially the original Muslims, the Arab (not the Arab wannabes or fake Yoruba Muslims), see all the lands in the entire universe as theirs. Let me take it down locally, this is the reason the Fulani herdsmen see all lands in west and east Africa as theirs, since all land belong to their allahh and hence no one can restrict their grazing right and movement. As you rightly pointed out, Islam does not respect national boundaries and Muslims do not respect national boundaries. Muslims are free to invade your land and build 100 of mosques and their so-called Arab cultural centres (Islamic barracks) but but will never allow such in a Muslim country. That's the mentality of superiority Muslims are brainwashed with right from their childhood hence see no qualms killing non-muslims and burning their places of worship under little or without provocation.

Now back to the issue at hand, since allahh owes everything, according to Islam, allahh owes Jerusalem and Jerusalem is in the middle east, so Jerusalem must be a Muslim land, despite the fact that no any archaeological findings that proves that Muslims own Jerusalem. Jerusalem was invaded, conquered and occupied by the jihadist of the 3rd and the second khalifah, Umar and uthman ibn Affan, but to Muslim it is OK to keep a conquered territory, but when the reverse is the case, they cry foul. What a bunch of savages!

abduljabbar4:
Go and check where yahweh instructed moses to kill every Canaanite and keep the virgins for themselves and some for him

So the so-called Palestinians are the Canaanites? You now believe a biblical account which your imams religiously command you guys to reject. Islamic hypocrites. Ok, teach me history.

Go and study the relationship between the so-called Palestinians and the Jordanians. You will understand better.

abduljabbar4:
Yeah, we are thieves but your yahweh and his jihadist jews are also thievesand the israelites have no right to call it their land. until the land is returned to the actual owners, jews wont have peace.

Who are the 'actual' owners?

abduljabbar4:
You just caught yourself. You used your very own mouth to say that you are taking back your stolen land and then i asked you why you stole From the canaanites. (And mind you There was NO ISLAM when you robbed the canaanites and raped their women so you cannot use Islam as an excuse). Why use the crime of Islam hundreds of years later to justify the crime you committed many centuries ago? are you that cheap? why did you steal from the Canaanites in tge first place (when Islam wasnt even in exuatence)?

Maybe The Muslims learnt the art of land grabbing from the thieving Israwlites

So you admit the Arab-muslims are land thieves. Thanks may guy. As a pious Muslim, allahh knows best. allahh must have known that the Christians will never support the Muslims on the issue of the ownership of Jerusalem, why are you Muslims bothered?

You Muslims should stop disturbing themselves since allahh always knows best.

abduljabbar4:
Didnt the bastard Israelites steal from the canaanites? yes or no?

The same way the Arab-muslims, under the command of the 2nd khalifa, Umar, stole Egypt from the Copts and the Nubians, stole Algeria from the native barbers, stole Syria from the Chaldeans, etc. The Arab-muslims, under the 2nd to the 5th Khalifa, are the greatest land robbers in the history of mankind.

Lest I forget, the Arab-muslims also invaded the old city of Jerusalem, invaded and colonized Spain but were kicked out during the Spanish Inquisition.

He who seeks equity comes with a clean hand.

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, ignore that terrorist. I wonder what he stands to gain in trying to. are Christians hate the Jews. If we hate the Jews, we will become like the Muslims who have been commanded to hate and kill the Jews. Even we join their gang of hate, these Muslims will still kill us cos we are not Muslims. Even if we become Muslims, they will still kill us cos Muslims kill each other. So why should we join their party?

They forget that Jesus who was killed by the Jews even prayed for them while they were killing him. So, as a Christian and follower of Christ and his ways, there's no way we can hate them. We will always love them and pray for them.

The Muslims that hate us, kill us and burn our churches, have we stopped loving them?

So, why should we know hate Jews who have done is no harm?

allahh loves the Jews so much that he commanded the Muslims to feed and cloth the Jews. See prove below:

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Empire and co want the Christians to join them in their quest for genocide against the Jews in order to fulfil the wishes of allahh and his master, Mohammed. Yeye people!

Empiree:
Another ignoramus you want to teach me my religion now, abi?.

Solve this puzzle then. Here is another verse of Quran 5:82

allahh is a confused god and a bad communicator. In one place he will praise the Christians and the Jews, and a minute later he will deride them. allahh or Mohammed has a serious mood swing.

AlBaqir:
* Tribal sentiment?! Are Igbos surrendering their fake Jewish-Israeli origin?! Ohaneze ndigbo.

AlBaqir you dey fall my hand. I used to believe that you are one of the most rational and coolheaded Shi'a Muslim in the house. Don't let the Wahhabi sunni Muslim rascals change your personality. You are one of the persecuted Muslim minority.

AlBaqir:
# Unfortunately, you simply cannot understand the difference between traditional/orthodox Jews from Zionist Jewish movement. The later is not only a problem to the world peace but also to its traditional version. Why are some Nigerian Christian so blind like this?! I guess you are of Igbo origin

You need not invoke tribal sentiment when you don't accept an alternative argument. It is not all nairalander who is not an Islamic apologist that is an Igbo.

Nimoomosuli:
Thought we might all benefit from the information below. It's an eye-opener. Copied as received.

So I ran into some friends who were celebrating the declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as a fulfillment of a Christian prophesy. Then it hit me that we live in a world ruled by debates about Bobrisky and his Gateman Jacob and so people forget to invest in knowing the truth about serious stuff.

So here are some facts;
Out of the 8.585 million population of Israel Christians constitute 2% of about 169000 unlike is Saudi with a 4.4% Christian population or Jordan with a 4-5% Christian population or Lebanon with a 40.4% Christian population.
Of the 2% Christians in Israel, between 60 - 80% are Arab Christians.

A tiny fraction are Coptic Christians
Jews who believe in Christ are called messianic Jews and are only 15000 in number out of the over 8million population. Several application by Christian Jews to immigrate to Israel has been rejected and you will see why when you read below.
Those who found their way into Israel were still denied citizenship until 2008 when the Supreme Court ruled that people who themselves were never Jews but are descendants of Jews can become citizens. Till date where an adult Jew converts to Christianity just like is the case with any other religion, he or she loses his protection by the state of Israel under the Law of Return.
Jews consider Christians as pagans for their belief in Trinity and claim that God is an Incarnate human who died to forgive sins committed against him. Therefore, Christian Jews who are the most educated in Israel are the most discriminated against.

The law in Israel recognizes the religions of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, the Druze, and the Bahai Faith. Christian religious communities recognized according to the adopted Ottoman millet (court) system include: Eastern Orthodox, Latin (Roman Catholic), Gregorian-Armenian, Armenian Catholic, Syrian Catholic, Chaldean (Chaldean Uniate Catholic), Greek Catholic Melkite, Maronite, Syrian Orthodox, and Evangelical Episcopal. The Anglican and Bahai communities are recognized through a British Mandate-era law adopted by the government. The government does not recognize other religious communities, including major Protestant denominations with a presence in the country, as distinct ethno religious communities. (This is contained in the International Religious Freedom Report issued in 2016 by the US State Department).

All none recognized faiths pay a Property Tax on their places of worship and Jehovah's Witness has been the most hit by these taxes.
Public preaching is only allowed with permit obtained and it is against the law to give gifts while preaching or preach to a person below the age of 18.
13 of the most Senior Christian Leaders in Jerusalem wrote to Trump begging that he does no go ahead with the proclamation he made yesterday and since the announcement the Pope has condemned the decision.

They know that access to Christian holy sites will be under threat once full control is given to Jews whose orthodox sect already spit on them in public for wearing Christian robes.
If you notice this piece does not address whether what Trump did is right or wrong because that is a bigger conversation and I do not believe it matters as Trump only seeks to advance his country's interests based on how he sees them. He, as President is entitled to that just as those affected by the decision are allowed to find sensible ways to protect their interests.
This piece is not a demonstration of hate for Jews! No way!! All you see here can be confirmed as factual from open sources if you just make the little effort of researching.

I merely seek to clarify one point to my friends who feel this declaration is a victory for Christians. It is not! Israel of today is a Jewish state which looks out for one religious group only; Judaism. In fact Israeli Arabs who constitute 18% of the population have fared better in Israel than Christians as there is currently an Arab Israeli Supreme Court Judge and several members of the Knesset who are Muslims. The same cannot be said of Christian Jews and that should be your focus.
We pray for the peace of the world and the unity of its people.

Your post is filled with islamic-infested propaganda. This is an old strategy of divide and rule which does not work on people with basic information and common sense.

First you try to paint the Jews bad as a persecutor of Christians. I laugh. In the history of world religion, the only religion that had been hostile to Christianity, from day one till date, is Islam. The only religion whose founder made it a divine law to hate and fight his fellow man base on belief is Mohammed (Quran 9:29, 5:51, 98:6, 8:39, etc). Mohammed promised to expel all the Jews and the Christians from the Arab peninsula and as a partial fulfilment of that mandate, Saudi Arabia had expelled all indigenous Jews and Christians who were in Saudi Arabia before Mohammed was born. You will make more sense if you can tell us the total number of indigenous Jews and Christians in Saudi Arabia. Remember Khaibar!

Jerusalem had never been a Christian land; Christianity is not a race, just as Muslims had tried hard to 'racialize' Islam, despite the fact that Muslims make up people from different ethnic and racial background. The Jews, on the other hand are a distinct race, with Hebrew as their language and Judaism as their religion. The Jewish government tried as much as they can to protect their religion and culture hence can be, at times, hostile to a belief that seem to challenge their primary beliefs and religion, which is over 3000 years. So its natural if they try to curb the influx of Jewish Christians into the modern day Israel. But you know what, never have I heard the the Jews, being the majority in modern day Israel, have ever attacked a church or bomb a church base on their Christian belief. But in a Muslim majority country, it is normal to attack churches, in obedience to allahh and his apostle (sahih bukhari 4:52:196 and 220).

You said there are more Muslims in Israel than Christians, that's true. About 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs and over 90% of Arabs are Muslims, so it's normal to have a high Muslim population in Israel. But you know what, the Israelis are not against Islamic religion in Israel.

On the ownership of Jerusalem, this is a very contentious issue. Some say its the Jews while others say its the Arabs, depending on the religious and social group you belong to. Naturally, a Christian will back the Jews for the ownership of Jerusalem while a Muslim with back the Arabs. But one thing is certain, Jerusalem had always, and will always, remain the religious city for the Jews, just as Mecca and Medina are religiously important to the Arabs. The Arabs are ready to share Jerusalem with the Jews; the Arabs want east Jerusalem as their future capital while the Jews can never accept a divided Jerusalem. This is a simple pointer to who really appreciate Jerusalem as their undivided and external land.

The Christians might have been sympathetic to the Arab cause on the status of Jerusalem, but the problems and the crisis Mohammed created in the Arabian peninsula will never make any reasonable Christian sympathetic to the Arab/Palestinian cause. The Muslims should blame Mohammed for the crisis in the Arab world.

To round up my argument, the Muslims can as well ask the Arabs to vacate all the lands the conquered during the early years of the Islamic caliphate. Countries such as Egypt, Algeria, morroco, Libya, Syria, northern Sudan, etc, were not Arab countries before the Islamic era, but had been forcefully acculturated into Arabian culture and tradition as a result of Islamic conquest and invasions.

KardinalZik:
Only one prophet was a PAEDOPHILE. He's an Anti-Christ, and enjoins his followers to be same.

Everyone knows him.

Do you mean Mohammed, peace be upon me. Poor Aisha, who never had the opportunity to grow as a normal woman because of the prophet of islam.

annunaki2:
They don't have a choice but to flee. If one has to tell so many obvious lies every day to defend an Arabian idol and it's fake prophet, one will need to go for psychiatric evaluation.

Defending Mohammed's atrocities is a burdensome exercise. It's like lawyers whose daily job entails depending murderers and rapist in the court of law. Such a lawyer will get emotionally worn out as time goes on. This is what's going on with the defenders of Mohammed on Nairaland.

mujahid777:
what did the slowpoke say?

Watch the video again with an open mind and you will have a better understanding of Muslims' psychology and their teachings that drive the psychology.

Its not a new things that the Sunnis hate the shia and the ahmadiyya ferociously that bombing their mosques is a welcome exercise in Saudi Arabia.

alBHAGDADI:
The man that Islamic religious books referred to as the best of mankind wasn't even perfect. He tried to attain the status meant for Jesus whom the Quran even testified that he was sinless. Yet, we see him giving opinion on an issue he knew nothing about, thereby leading to a massive failure for the farmers.

He should have just kept to his scamming Al taquiya tactics instead of dabbling into agriculture. Had it been his recommendation yielded good results, Muslims of today will be hailing him as someone knowledgeable in all things. But dude was a failure giving advice to professional farmers. He made them abandon their winning formula only to meet with a huge loss.

Same guy couldn't differentiate between an eclipse and the judgment day that he ran away scared and worried when he witnessed one.

This gat me laughing seriously. I never knew Mohammed was also an expert in agricultural extension services. No wonder there was so much hunger in the Arabia when the prophet of allahh was busy scamming the illiterate Arabs.

skolab4:
So u think u r the wise one after all the shi ts u wrote up there right,, must u put ur mouth and insults Muslims in everything, u this hipocrite that r delusionally mislead led astrayed bigots forming holiness.

Your sins are also forgiven because you are a Muslim and Muslims generally lack critical reasoning.

skolab4:
Who is this mumu ,,,what is he staying? ,,,,can someone pls translate his gibberish?

Your sins are forgiven because Muslims generally lack critical reasoning.

Empiree:
Who asked you for bull story?. For the fact that you ave accepted those christians countries terrorized people, so what it is you fuss about?

Let's just say you are upset about Modakeke historical record break of muslims reverts.. Let me give you more heart attack by posting more.

Musims and double tongue! Today you call the US and the UK a Christian nations, since it suits your current narrative, and/but tomorrow you will claim they are not Christian nations but secular ones. Islamic hypocrites! The US is as bad as Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is older than the US, as a nation, and Saudi Arabia had invaded countless nations, kill millions and forcefully convert them to musims. How did Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Egypt, Morocco, Syria, Yemen, etc become a Muslim nations? Read your bloody history and stop burying your head in the sand.

Fya, I have no business in any shithole called modakeke or whatever you call it. It makes no difference if all of them become Bhudist. It won't help the local economy or raise the manpower capacity of the community. Don't massage you Islamic ego bro!

Empiree:
exaplain to you?, when you ain't ready to listen?. It is the same way non muslim countries constitutions used their constitutional rights to terrorize people during wars and off wars. So what's fuss about . Doesn't each country has to force their rules on others at some point?

Burmese authority terrorized Muslims at will, but you turned your blind eye. For them to have carried out their dastardly acts must have been sanctioned by their terror manual they called "constitution" or religious books. The same applies to Christian countries like UK, France etc, they killed millions of africans and Muslims based on their terror manual they called bible.

So why did you turn away from Burma issues?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz-BSy0Km8Y

Bro, don't go off tangent, you have not explained anything but only created a form of moral relativism. You have accepted the fact that Mohammed is a terrorist and you have no qualms with that. How can a so-called perfect man say he is made victorious through terror and you still accept him as a prophet? You need a paradigm shift. Think smartly and wisely; the Arabs had played you big time with their largest Mafia organization called ISLAM.

According to your Islamic logic, the UK, France, the US terrorize other nations hence it is OK for Mohammed and Muslims to also terrorize people. Can you look at yourself in the mirror? Go and read the HISTORY OF ISLAMIC CONQUEST and you will know how mad the Arab Muslims are, right from the time of the 2nd khalifa to the Ottoman empire. The Americans are angels when compared to Muslim invaders. The Americans have had a black President, black senators, black house of rep. members, black judges, etc. When are we going to have black Senior public office holders in the Arab world, after hundred years of Islamic trans-sahara slave trade? You know what, its not gonna happen because the Arabs Muslims (the real owners of allahh and kabba) still see you blacks as Abd (or Abduls, that's slaves) as sanctioned by allahh and his criminal apostle.

Empiree:
you are known for speaking trash, so your ignorance is excused

You never confirm why your prophet approve physical aggression and threats against non-muslims, the Jews and the Christians inclusive. Since you are ashamed of opening your war manual hadith, I will help you out. Sahih bukhari 4:52:196:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah.

See your criminal prophet threatening and forcing people to accept him as a prophet.

Sahih bukhari 4:52:220:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror, and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures.

Your prophet, in his own mouth, confessed to being made victorious as a terrorist. How can you follow this Arabian mafia?

yazach:
No he is not a terrorist, but you guys formulated a deceptive doctrine which is bound to die

Can you please explain this hadith to me: sahih bukhari 4:52:196 and 220)?

Empiree:


He realized Isam is irreversible, that pains the hell out of him

A religion whose modus operandi is to terrorize non-muslims, especially in the Arab world and Pakistan. A religion which survive by stealing and looting non-muslims for economic survival (sahih bukhari 4:52:196 & 220, Quran 9:29-30). Keep deceiving yourself, European far right parties have concluded mass deportation of the followers of the prophet of allahh. The modern world has no problem with the Hindus, bhudist, Christians, Jews and Sikhs, but only the follower of the criminal apostle.

alBHAGDADI:
Thats part of the stage acting acadip involves in.

All na wash

Their Saudi pay masters must pay. Who is fooling who? Former Muslims like Pastors Tunde Bakare, David Oyedepo, Apostle Suleiman, Pastor Yusuf kasali are the ones recognised worldwide, not charlatans being paraded by ACADIP as Muslim converts.

Mohammed is the apostle of allahh and Abu Bakr (the sunni leader) is his rightly guided Khalifa. The followers of Imam Ali (the Shi'a) should take a chill pill.

umarshek6:
Written down in what manner


There are other proofs eg. ,nature
it was revealed on ly'latul qadar(night of majesty) by arch angel jibril to prophet (saw) in cave hira

Can you prove this? Who is a witness?

smoy:
so what your point?

Read your post concerning Quran 9:29 as given below:

the second was an instruction to fight those who fight them back as Allah has advised the prophet not to do so until He gives order and later this instruction came, this does not means now you can force people to Islam, tole another path pls.'

So my point is this, Qur'an 9:29 never asked Muslims to fight who fought them but to fight people based on their beliefs and force them to Islam. Christians and Jews are however exempted as long as they pay the jizya and feel humiliated. See hadith below:


Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" sahih bukhari 4:52:196.

This is only to burst your lies on Quran 9:29.

smoy:
cant you talk without insult?
now these verses you quoted are instruction given at a particular time as the situation warranted, the first one said no computation in religion and this still stand till today and never any verse abrogated this verse and the second was an instruction to fight those who fight them back as Allah has advised the prophet not to do so until He gives order and later this instruction came, this does not means now you can force people to Islam, tole another path pls.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. (Quran 9:29).

The instruction above is very clear, except you are a Muslim. See the hadith below that further show more light on this.

Narrated Anas ibn Malik ; Uthman ibn AbuSulayman: The Prophet (peace be upon him) sent Khalid ibn al-Walid to Ukaydir of Dumah. He was seized and they brought him to him (i.e. the Prophet). He spared his life and made peace with him on condition that he should pay jizyah (poll-tax).
Sunan Abu Dawud 19:3031

On the above, your prophet abducted someone and only spared him life if he agreed to pay the Islamic extortion money called the jizya.

He who holds fast to his religion, Judaism or Christianity, is not to be tempted from it. It is incumbent on them to pay the jizyah protection tax. For every adult, male or female, free or slave, one full denarius, or its value in al-ma'afir [fine cloth]. He who pays that to the Messenger has the protection of Allah and His Messenger, and he who holds back from it is the enemy of Allah and His Messenger.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 75

In the above, Mohammed asked Muslims not to attack the Jews and the Christians as long as they pay the jizya.

Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, "Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley." This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace.(
Tafsir Ibn Kathir)

Even the tasfir of Ibn kathir, the most authoritative tasfir in islam, specified how Muslims should treat the Christians and Jews in an Islamic state. There is nowhere it said Muslims were under threat.

Islam is a religion of oppressors and naturally born tyrants.

mujahid777:
You guys keep using false narrations that even if they were true,still doesn't prove a thing.If He changed the Qur'an as you claim,then what about His(SAW) numerous companions who memorised the Qur'an instantly as It comes.What about His(SAW) remaining 41 scribes who also wrote It down?
Abdullah also betrayed the Meccans,that he will make up some story to gain back their acceptance is just so predictable,that is,infact,what the story is all about.
Now,to seal this argument.You didn't also add that Abdullah later became a highly prominent Muslim leader and died a pious Muslim .Now go hide yourself somewhere

Your statements are incoherent. You questioned the integrity of Abdullah in Sa'ad and you also praised him for being good Muslim and later dying a pious Muslim.

Abdullah ibn saad had no choice but to come back to Islam because Mohammed and his men already marked him for execution, alongside other 5 meccan rebels. If not for his strong brother, uthman ibn Affan (one of the most reelected companions), Mohammed would have executed him as well. Mohammed was not even happy that he escaped death and blamed his soldiers for not taking the initiative by killing him immediately, even without his formal authorization. This is simple comprehension bro!

If one of the scribes can be so compromised, how can we trust the other scribes? If not that Abdullah ibn Sa'ad blew his whistle, no one would have known how much he manipulated Mohammed in writing some surah of the Quran. What about other scribes who chosed to remain silent, unlike Abdullah ibn Affan?

You said the Quran was memorized by Muslims in Mohammed's era. Yes, but many of them died in the battle of yamama hence some surah also lost with the dead. Besides, some surah are found in the hadith but never included in the Quran. The verses of stoning are never included in the Quran but can be found in the hadith of bukhari and sunnah ibn maggah (hadith number 1944).

mujahid777:
“And who does greater evil than he who
forges against God a lie, or says, ‘To me it has been revealed’, when naught
has been revealed to him.”
This verse is a Meccan verse.This alone proves that all what you quoted is a lie,and why are even telling us how one of his over 40 scribes became an apostate

Whether this verse was revealed in Mecca or Medina does not change the fact that one of Mohammed's secretary was writing things quite different from what Mohammed dictated and jibril did not correct Mohammed of this grave manipulation. This verse you quoted actually supported my point.

Please read my post again. I quoted Islamic source in all my references and none of the Islamic sources said 40 scribes became apostates. What the source said was that Mohammed used about 40 scribes to write the Qur'an and the name of one of the scribe is Abdullah ibn Sa'ad ibn Abi sarh, the stepbrother of Uthman ibn Affan, the 3rd rightly guided khalifah, who later left Islam when he discovered that no any jibril spoke to Mohammed. Abdullah ibn Sa'ad went back to Mecca, from Medina, to tell the Meccans that Mohammed was fake, hence he was marked for execution when Mohammed reconquered Mecca. He was however saved by the intervention of his stepbrother.

This information might be new to you and its unfortunate that I will be the one teaching you Islamic history as contained in your sirah and the sunnah of Abu Dawood.

smoy:
Tora, Injil and zebur abrogated by Allah are not Qur'an, use your God given logic brother, if what Muhammad detected was written in error deliberately or by mistake or He himself fabricated the Qur'an you could have several contradiction, errors, scientific fallacy like what we have today in the bible

Abrogated surah:
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.(Quran 2:256). This surah was revealed in Mecca when Mohammed was weak and oppressed.

Latest/newest surah:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. (Quran 9:29). This surah was revealed in Medina when Mohammed had become powerful and commanded a large army. He also became a tyrant and a dictator in Medina. Thanks be to allahh, the all-knowing and all-wise. allahhuu ragbarr!

true2god:
More:

The scribes of Muhammad were 42 in number. `Abdallah Ibn Sarh al-`Amiri was one of them, and he was the first Quraishite among those who wrote in Mecca before he turned away from Islam. He started saying, “I used to direct Muhammad wherever I willed. He would dictate to me ‘Most High, All-Wise’, and I would write down ‘All-Wise’ only. Then he would say, ‘Yes it is all the same’. On a certain occasion he said, ‘Write such and such’, but I wrote ‘Write’ only, and he said, ‘Write whatever you like.'” So when this scribe exposed Muhammad, he wrote in the Qur’an, “And who does greater evil than he who forges against God a lie, or says, ‘To me it has been revealed’, when naught has been revealed to him.” So on the day Muhammad conquered Mecca, he commanded his scribe to be killed. But the scribe fled to `Uthman Ibn `Affan, because `Uthman was his foster brother (his mother suckled `Uthman). `Uthman, therefore, kept him away from Muhammad. After the people calmed down, `Uthman brought the scribe to Muhammad and sought protection for him. Muhammad kept silent for a long time, after which he said yes. When `Uthman had left, Muhammad said “I only kept silent so that you (the people) should kill him.”” (Al-Sirah by al-‘Iraqi)

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“The apostle had instructed his commanders when they entered Mecca only to fight those who resisted them except a small number who were to be killed even if they were found beneath the curtains of the Kaaba. Among them was `Abdullah b. Sa`d, brother of the B. `Amir b. Lu’ayy. The reason he ordered him to be killed was that he had been a Muslim and used to write down revelation; then he apostatized and returned to Qurahysh [Mecca] and fled to `Uthman b. `Affan whose foster brother he was. The latter hid him until he brought him to the apostle after the situation in Mecca was tranquil, and asked that he might be granted immunity. They allege that the apostle remained silent for a long time till finally he said yes. When `Uthman had left he [Muhammad] said to his companions who were sitting around him, “I kept silent so that one of you might get up and strike off his head!” One of the Ansar [Muhammad’s helpers from Medina] said, “Then why didn’t you give me a sign, O apostle of God?” He [Muhammad] answered that a prophet does not kill by pointing.” (Sirat Rasul Allah by ibn Ishaq, p. 550)

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Ya, Islam is 100% conspiracy theory, especially the hadith narrations. See below:

Narrated Sa’d: On the day when Mecca was conquered, the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave protection to the people except four men and two women and he named them. Ibn AbuSarh was one of them. He then narrated the tradition. He said: Ibn Abi Sarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. When the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) called the people to take the oath of allegiance, he brought him and made him stand before the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). He said: Apostle of Allah, receive the oath of allegiance from him. He raised his head and looked at him thrice, denying him every time. After the third time he received his oath. He then turned to his companions and said: Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Apostle of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a prophet to have a treacherous eye. (Abu Dawud 14:2677)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Abdullah ibn AbuSarh used to write (the revelation) for the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). Satan made him slip, and he joined the infidels. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) commanded to kill him on the day of Conquest (of Mecca). Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave him protection. (Abu Dawud 38:4345)

Narrated Sa’d ibn AbuWaqqas: On the day of the conquest of Mecca, Abdullah ibn Sa’d ibn AbuSarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. He brought him and made him stand before the Prophet (peace be upon him), and said: Accept the allegiance of Abdullah, Apostle of Allah! He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him each time, but accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then turning to his companions, he said: Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him? They said: We did not know what you had in your heart, Apostle of Allah! Why did you not give us a signal with your eye? He said: It is not advisable for a Prophet to play deceptive tricks with the eyes.” (Abu Dawud 38:4346)

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The scribes of Muhammad were 42 in number. `Abdallah Ibn Sarh al-`Amiri was one of them, and he was the first Quraishite among those who wrote in Mecca before he turned away from Islam. He started saying, “I used to direct Muhammad wherever I willed. He would dictate to me ‘Most High, All-Wise’, and I would write down ‘All-Wise’ only. Then he would say, ‘Yes it is all the same’. On a certain occasion he said, ‘Write such and such’, but I wrote ‘Write’ only, and he said, ‘Write whatever you like.'” So when this scribe exposed Muhammad, he wrote in the Qur’an, “And who does greater evil than he who forges against God a lie, or says, ‘To me it has been revealed’, when naught has been revealed to him.” So on the day Muhammad conquered Mecca, he commanded his scribe to be killed. But the scribe fled to `Uthman Ibn `Affan, because `Uthman was his foster brother (his mother suckled `Uthman). `Uthman, therefore, kept him away from Muhammad. After the people calmed down, `Uthman brought the scribe to Muhammad and sought protection for him. Muhammad kept silent for a long time, after which he said yes. When `Uthman had left, Muhammad said “I only kept silent so that you (the people) should kill him.”” (Al-Sirah by al-‘Iraqi)

mujahid777:
Stop peddling your silly conspiracy theories,talk facts

Ya, Islam is 100% conspiracy theory, especially the hadith narrations. See below:

Narrated Sa’d: On the day when Mecca was conquered, the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave protection to the people except four men and two women and he named them. Ibn AbuSarh was one of them. He then narrated the tradition. He said: Ibn Abi Sarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. When the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) called the people to take the oath of allegiance, he brought him and made him stand before the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). He said: Apostle of Allah, receive the oath of allegiance from him. He raised his head and looked at him thrice, denying him every time. After the third time he received his oath. He then turned to his companions and said: Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Apostle of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a prophet to have a treacherous eye. (Abu Dawud 14:2677)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Abdullah ibn AbuSarh used to write (the revelation) for the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). Satan made him slip, and he joined the infidels. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) commanded to kill him on the day of Conquest (of Mecca). Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave him protection. (Abu Dawud 38:4345)

Narrated Sa’d ibn AbuWaqqas: On the day of the conquest of Mecca, Abdullah ibn Sa’d ibn AbuSarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. He brought him and made him stand before the Prophet (peace be upon him), and said: Accept the allegiance of Abdullah, Apostle of Allah! He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him each time, but accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then turning to his companions, he said: Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him? They said: We did not know what you had in your heart, Apostle of Allah! Why did you not give us a signal with your eye? He said: It is not advisable for a Prophet to play deceptive tricks with the eyes.” (Abu Dawud 38:4346)