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lfleak:Christian prayer and worship is not a ritual and a standard routine, as the Muslims do. The spirit of God determines how you pray. There is no standard worship format in Christianity; you can sing song of praises to God, dance in worship, roll on the floor, bend your knee, stand up while in praise, etc. It is not a straight jacket system like you see in Islam. |
lfleak:Jesus talked about establishing and building his church, also known as the body of Christ. See Bible verses below: Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means 'rock'), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. (Matthew 16:18). Jesus talked about building his church and not a mosque of allahh. |
Empiree:You can't choose what you want in the hadith, you either reject the entire hadith or accept it in totality. Some Muslims have rejected the entire hadith. Even your Koran is not reliable hence the tasfir. It is the most poorly written document I have ever seen. |
lfleak:The Quran you have today is a fairly used and incomplete Quran. Most of the manuscript were burnt by uthman and some of the sahabas, who had memorized a lot of the fake revelations allahh apostle received, had been killed in the battle. See hadith below: sahih bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 509 : Narrated by Zaid bin Thabit Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the! Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yalmama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project. "Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book)." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (At-Tauba) (9.128-129) Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with 'Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of 'Umar. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 61, Hadith 510 Narrated Anas bin Malik: “Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Zaid bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)” Read the above hadith carefully and see that the current Koran you have is a fraudulent material. |
lfleak:Your allahh asked Muslims to authentic the revelation given to Mohammed using the Torah and the injil. See below fya: “Say (O Muslims), ‘We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibraaheem (Abraham), Ismaa‘eel (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), Ya‘qoob (Jacob), and to Al-Asbaat (the twelve sons of Ya‘qoob (Jacob)), and that which has been given to Moosa (Moses) and ‘Eesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)’” [al-Baqarah 2:136] “O you who believe! Believe in Allah, and His Messenger (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)), and the Book (the Quran) which He has sent down to His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to those before (him), and whosoever disbelieves in Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away”[an-Nisa’ 4:136] allahh asked Muslims to believe in the Jewish Torah and the Christian gospel, that is injil. allahh did not know about the Qur'an because he didn't expect the Muslims to publish and codify the revelation he gave to Mohammed. allahh has no business in the Koran in circulation, the current Koran was Abu bakr's idea which was executed by Othman, the third khalifa. If you place the Bible and sira rasul allahh in the same category, then you take allah to be unwise because he should had known better than you before asking Muslims to consult the 'people of the book' for guidance on scriptural matters. |
lfleak:Muslims and denials are conjoined twins. Show me where it is written that the hadith of Bukhari is from authentic source. All Muslims books are fake my brother, including the Koran. There is nowhere Mohammed asked for the compilations of his revelations as a book. Show me where Mohammed asked the Muslims to compile his revelation as a codified religious document? |
Empiree:If you dnt believe in sira rasul allahh by Ibn Ishaq, where did get the information that an Angel appeared to him, in a cave, from? Where did you get the story of his Inlaw, waraqa, from? Who told Mohammed he was prophet, angel Gabriel, khadija or waraqa? Where can we get this answer, the Koran or the sira? |
plainbibletruth:They are ashamed of the history of their prophet. Instead of facing the truth, they will rather attack the messenger, Ibn Ishaq, who wrote the biography long before bukhari compiled the hadith, and long before the oldest tasfir were written. Muslims will rather reject their own books instead of accepting the truth therein. |
lfleak:Create a thread on that an we will discus it. Why do you reject sira rasul allahh by Ibn Ishaq while the Saudi imams and sheiks are still using it in their mosque and madrassas? |
Empiree:We are discussing the biography of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq. You can open a thread on the gospel of Barnabas and I will join you on the thread. Don't run away from facts when they hurt you, confront the facts. The gospel of Barnabas was rejected by 100% of Christians that I know but it is promoted by almost every Muslim, despite the fact that more than 99% of Muslims have never even seen the so-called 'gospel of Barnabas' with their own eyes. Face the topic bro. |
Empiree:Then why did you falsely claimed that Ibn Ishaq said he wrote falsehood about the prophet of Islam in order to sustain himself? You gave me a reference, that is page 321 of Ibn Ishaq sira rasul Allah which turned out to be a lie. Don't you know I have the complete works of Ibn Ishaq on my laptop to confirm any lie you might tell me? Bros respect yourself. You said Islam is not bases on stories written by human, that is funny. Who wrote the Koran? Angel Gabriel or allahh? Who compiled your so-called hadith? Angel Gabriel or Bukhari? Bros, you know nothing about Islam. The quran and the hadith, in your house, are written by men, long after the death of your prophet. There was nothing like the Quran when Mohammed was alive. The Qur'an you have at home was compiled by the instruction of uthman, the 3rd khalifa, after he ordered all the surviving sahabas to start penning down what they memorized from the alleged 'revelations' Mohammed received from one entity whom he called allahh. The Quran is the compilation of what the sahabas claimed they hear allahh's messenger got as a revelation and there is many variance of the compilations. Some of the 'revelations' were either forgotten or eaten by goat. See Aisha's testimony below: Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934: Narrated Aisha 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper." Sahih Muslim 3422—Amra reported that she heard Aisha discussing fosterage which (makes marriage) unlawful; and she (Aisha) said: There was revealed in the Holy Qur'an ten clear sucklings, and then five clear (sucklings) . Sahih Muslim 3417—Allah's Apostle said: Being suckled once or twice, or one suckling or two, do not make marriage unlawful. Sahih Muslim 3421—Aisha reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur’an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated by five sucklings and Allah’s Apostle died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur’an (and recited by the Muslims). If you look at all the above hadith and sunnah, you will discover that, going by Aisha's own words, the revelation of stoning and suckling was not included in the Koran. It is not my word, it is Aisha's own testimony. Who do I believe, with respect to Islam? Your claim or Aisha's testimony? |
lfleak:Stop making mockery of your prophet. You will be beheaded if you do that in Saudi Arabia. Ibn Ishaq sira-rasul-allahh is the most authentic and widely used biography of Mohammed worldwide, I wonder why Muslims in Nigeria are disassociating themselves from this book. Have you seen a single Saudi Arabian Muslim condemn this book? Let me digress a bit. The biography of Mohammed by Ibn Hisham was compiled in 833AD. The hadith of bukhari was compiled in 870AD. The tasfir was written in 923AD. Some of what was written in the hadith were copied or lifted from the biography of Mohammed by Ibn Hisham. Why do you reject the works of Ibn Hisham but accept some of the hadith by bukhari, since bukhari palgarized Ibn Hisham'works? Muslims are very confused about their own sacred and religious documents. |
Empiree:You need to understand a simple comprehension. What the guy is saying is that Mohammed, going by what th Qur'an and the hadith say about him, can never be a moral example to follow. |
itsolanrewaju:Is it in the US constitution for the US to host the islamic ifta dinner? Is the US an Islamic state or a secular democracy? When will the Saudis host an official Christmas party? |
plappville:Its good to do good but be careful so that you don't end up exposing your data and details in an anonymous forum like this. |
Doyin400l:Muslims at 2.4billion people? Who is lying to you and where do you get this data from? You said there is no compulsion in religion? Yes, that was when Mohammed was a persecuted minority in mecca. As soon as the became powerful in Medina, he changed his message by ordering Muslims to fight non-muslims (Quran 9:29). |
plappville:I have watched her videos on Islam, very expository. She lives in Canada and a fatwa had been placed on her for defaming Islam, allahh and his apostle. I think she uses the name Sandra Solomon in Canada. A very brave and courage Muslim apostate who had devoted her time and energy exposing the Arabian Mafia organization called ISLAM. |
true2god:It is a serious matter when Muslims started condemning hadiths, the sunnah and the sira all because of the obvious embarrassment most of the writings give about Mohammed's evil and barbaric lifestyle. And ironically, you can't become an Islamic scholar without a great knowledge of the hadith's, especially sahih bukhari and sahih Muslim. You can't become a scholar without studying the sunnah by Ibn majjah or Abu dawood. You can't become an Islamic scholar without studying the life of the Islamic prophet by Ibn Ishaq. Why are online Muslims deceiving us kafirs by blatantly condemning their own source documents as fake? If Islamic books are fake that means that Islam itself is also fake. |
Empiree:Mr lie(nus), I have read the page 321 of Ibn Ishaq sirat-rasul-allah and there is nothing that says he wrote anything about the Arabia prophet in order to sustain himself. The page talked about war booty and how Allah wanted his apostle to share the booty. In Quran 8:1, allahh wants Mohammed to collect 20% of the war booty while the remaining 80% go to the sahabas. |
Empiree:If I provide the 'FACTS' you want, will you denounce islam, allahh and his apostle? |
Skull miner at 80 is a skull miner forever. |
laudate:An Afonja is thicker than blood. The Afonjas are more deadly than the Arewas, and you are one. Afonjas, the beautiful poisonous snakes and like the British, have soft head and without emotion. |
MisterB13:You have also forgotten that you have to fight whoever does not believe in allahh and his apostle... (Quran 9:29). |
hfeetham0:Face the topic, don't face me. Your imam exposed the violent and criminal tendencies in Islamic text. Repudiate what the imam said, you dnt need attack me. |
hfeetham0:It is only on nairaland I see dunce claiming to correct a superior argument. Wonders shall never cease. |
hfeetham0:Stop parroting the fake Islamic national anthem: 'if you kill a single innocent, it's as if you killed the whole world, and if you save one innocent life, it's as if you've saved all of mankind'. It has become stale. However this is the complete quote, not the lying Islam quotes: Qur'an 5:32: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. Salient points: 1 - It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah's command to Muhammad's people. 2 - Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there's still an escape clause: "unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land." If someone is "spreading mischief", he can still be killed. Anything can mean 'spreading mischief in the land'. If I say that Jesus is the son of God, while I am in Saudi Arabia, I can be arrested. If I say Mohammed is a fake prophet, while I am in mecca, I will be killed because I am 'spreading mischief' in Saudi Arabia by committing shirk. Now let's think for a moment. As if this weren't obvious enough from the verse itself, the Qur'an further expounds this point in the very next verse. 5:33 says: The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land : that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter. This verse is referring to the Muslims, not the Jews anymore, as we can tell in the shift from past tense to present tense. And here, the punishment for mischief is clearly prescribed: execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the Muslims. Quite clearly, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches almost the exact opposite. In any case, you can no longer deceive us kafir with your Qur'anic misquotes. We have read your books. On your claim that crude oil and the Americans are the reasons for Islamic violence in the middle east, that's a fat lie again. The shia-sunni war/crisis had been going on for almost 1400 years, and it is nonstop, long before America come into existence as a nation. And again, the Arabs, immediately after the death of Mohammed, invaded Spain, Portugal and France, all in the name of allahh. Don't forget the Islamic invasion of South east Asia, with wholesale slaughter of the kafirs for allahh. Is it the Americans that sent them or allahh? |
lfleak:Yes, he is not an Islamic role model, or standard of check, since he is not an advocate of terror against the kafirs, and against those who oppose allahh and his one and only apostle, Mohammed. |
lfleak:The imam is being truthful. If only you can open your mind, as the imam had done, the world will be a better place. But no, Islamic fanatic like you would rather declare a fatwa on him than listening to his genuine concern. |
alBHAGDADI:That's Muslims' permanent escape route. allahh must be a bad communicator for making his coran confusing. |
Ishaq717:This is the tasfir, according to Ibn kathir, the greatest Islamic scholar of all time, on evil quran 9:29. Open you evil Koran, read Quran 9:29 and see how evil allahh and his messenger are. Again, see below the tasfir that fully explain Quran 9:29. Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace Allah said. (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, (Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. The scholars of Hadith narrated from `Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ash`ari that he said, "I recorded for `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham: `In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors ﴿of our houses of worship﴾ for the wayfarer and passerby. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit ﴿or betrayal﴾ against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur'an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices ﴿with prayer ﴾ at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.' When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.''' |
Ishaq717:These are the sources you provided: Sahih Muslim Book 31 Hadith 5949: Hudhaifa reported that the people of Najran came to Allah's Messenger (Peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, send along with us a man of trust; whereupon he said: I would definitely send to you a man of trust, a man of trust in the true sense of the term. Thereupon his Companions looked up eagerly and he sent Abu Ubaida b. Jarrett. The hadith source you provided made no reference to your false claim. The sunnah of your prophet also contradicted your claim. The Quran and the hadith made it clear that allahh and his messenger will never accept or tolerate any religion except Islam. You might have some meccan Qur'anic revelations that preach peace and tolerance (Qur'an 2:256), when Mohammed's Islam was still the minority and under threat from the Meccans, as soon as he became powerful, after hijrah to Medina, the tone of the Quran changed drastically into a war-like manual (read entire Quran chapter 9). You can't fool a well informed kafir like me. |
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Include the name of his village, town or local govt area while you are at it. Make sure you also insert the name & title of his traditional ruler, as well. Every correct answer gets 20 marks. Hehehe.... kindly don't forget to take your own advice first - "Pack your sh1t and GET the F2k out like you are told!!!"