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Empiree:See links on how many times the Shi'a and the Sunnis pray: www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-shia-and-sunni-namaz/ www.prayertimenyc.com/muslim-shia-prayer-times/ shiastudies.org/article/shi-a-prayer-rituals I didn't write the articles above but Muslims do. Why are Muslims confused on this matter. I think its because the Koran didn't provide the necessary guidance with respect to the number of times Muslims should pray in a day. |
lfleak:You never still establish, from the Koran, where allahh asked Muslims asked Muslims for a 5 times daily prayer. And FYI, the Shi'a official numbers of daily prayer is 3/against the shia 5. Who is right, the Shi'a or the Sunnis? |
lfleak:You never still establish, from the Koran, where allahh asked Muslims asked Muslims for a 5 times daily prayer. And FYI, the Shi'a official numbers of daily prayer is 3/against |
lfleak:So you can pick what you want from the Koran to make up your 'make believe' sharia law? No, thats not acceptable. The sharia law is the made up Koranic instructions, the sunnah of your prophet and the ways of the sahabas. As a matter of fact, the Quran made a very insignificant contribution to the Islamic school of jurisprudence and the making of the sharia law itself. Stop deceiving yourself. Go back and ask your Islamic teacher and stop being deceptive. |
lfleak:I am sorry bro, you never show me any place, in the Quran, where allahh asked you to pray 5 times a day. I don't need your conjectural and hypothetical response. Show me where the Koran mandated you to pray 5 times a day. |
lfleak:I got no time for your 'summary' quotes, they are deceptive and disingenuous. I asked you simple questions and you ended up listing all these 'half- quotes'. I asked you to show me where it is written, in the Qur'an, the punishment for adultery, drinking and stealing, but you rather laboured yourself with irrelevant quotes. If I say you lacked the ability to comprehend a simple question, will I be faulted? Anyway that aside, are the ayah below part of the Sharia laws: Qur'an 9:29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. Quran 8:39: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do. Quran 8:60 And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged. Quran 5:33, Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment. |
lfleak:I am not sure your Islamic teacher, who taught you the basics of Islam, could speak a very good english before he was able to brainwash you with Islamic teachings. Fluency in english language is not an important criteria to make a very good Islamic scholar/teacher. So forgive my bad english, it is not my mother tongue. Not to derail the thread, I asked you show me the punishment for drinking and adultery as contained in the Quran. Please also show me where it was written in your Koran that you must go for hajj. Also show me, from your Koran, where it is written that you must pray 5 times a day. |
lfleak:I don't think you make a C in English language if you cannot comprehend a simple one-paragraph response from me. Though, unlike a kid, I am not here to debate english words with you. To make my points clearer to you, if the hadith is segmented into an authentic, a weak and a fake hadith, then we can conclude that the entire hadith is not reliable hence a useless piece of document fashioned by the Arabs for their imperial ambition. It is not a rocket science that is hard to understand, it is common sense. I am here to educate willing Muslims who refused to be dogmatic. |
lfleak:You lack knowledge of your religion and I won't be tired of teaching you. What is the punishment for adultery in Islam? From which book do you get the verdict, the Quran or the hadith? What the punishment for drinking? From which book do you get the verdict? Where do you get your instruction to pray 5 times a day? Where do you get advise to go for hajj and umra, Quran? |
lfleak:I will respect you by not saying that you lack simple logic. If a maths teacher gives you an unreliable text book to prepare for an exam, will you accept such text book or reject it? Of course you will reject it which ultimately renders such a text book useless. What is in the reliability of a material which is not authentic, confusing, contradictory and full of fabrications? If I give you an AC manual which is not clear and very contradictory as a consumer, is it reliable? No. Is the manual useless, Yes. So I dont know if you do basic logic in school. Or are you a secondary school pupil? And Fya, I left the university over 8 years ago, not to be proud bro. To buttress your point, if the hadith is not reliable then it is a USELESS reference material. |
lfleak:Where do you get over 90% of the sharia law from, the Quran or the hadith? |
lfleak:Why don't you guys burn the hadith since it is not reliable? Or do you want to be picking anything you want from the unreliable hadith? |
lfleak:What exactly is wrong with Islam? No singing, no dancing, no clapping. These are what God has blessed human being wit which Islam tries to destroy. Anything Islam touches=destruction. Can you show me where singing, clapping or dancing, unto the lord, is a sin? |
Empiree:Sorry bro, face the topic. |
lfleak:So you hadith is so boring to you. |
lfleak:See below: Psalm 33:1-3 Sing for joy in the LORD, O you righteous ones; Praise is becoming to the upright. Give thanks to the LORD with the lyre; Sing praises to Him with a harp of ten strings. Sing to Him a new song; Play skillfully with a shout of joy. Psalm 96:1-2 Sing to the LORD a new song; Sing to the LORD, all the earth. Sing to the LORD, bless His name; Proclaim good tidings of His salvation from day to day. Psalm 5:11: But let all who take refuge in You be glad, Let them ever sing for joy; And may You shelter them, That those who love Your name may exult in You. Psalm 9:11: Sing praises to the LORD, who dwells in Zion; Declare among the peoples His deeds. 2 Kings 11:12 Verse Concepts Then he brought the king's son out and put the crown on him and gave him the testimony; and they made him king and anointed him, and they clapped their hands and said, "Long live the king!" Psalm 47:1 O clap your hands, all peoples; Shout to God with the voice of joy. Psalm 98:8 Let the rivers clap their hands, Let the mountains sing together for joy Read judges 11:34, judges 21:21-23 and psalm 30:11. |
lfleak:Sorry bro if my points sound strange to you, your imams and sheiks with never tell you the truth. The Koran is not Allah or Mohammed's idea but the brainchild Abu Bakr and Omar. See the hadith below: sahih bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 509 : Narrated by Zaid bin Thabit Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the! Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yalmama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project. "Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book)." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (At-Tauba) (9.128-129) Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with 'Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of 'Umar. Do you accept or reject the above hadith? |
Rilwayne001:My good friend Abdul- Rilwan, longest time. How is school? What is your real contribution to this discussion? Do you fully trust sahih bukhari as an authentic source of information on Islamic religion? |
seunH:As I said earlier, your suspicion is still speculative because there is no any name or religion on the bill board. Anybody can make assumptions which is not illegal. Besides, why are you offended and taking it personal? Are you so delicate that you can't handle a contrary and seldom offensive opinion? Remember, I never attacked anyone personally on nairaland and religion is a believe system, an ideology, which is universally opened to scrutiny and criticism. Do you want to moderate my posts/opinions on the internet? What are you trying to do? |
Empiree:So you expect me to have a 100% understanding of all Arabic words and Islamic practices before I can lecture you Islam? |
Empiree:I won't mind giving you a free Islamic lecture, it is part of my contributions to humanity. Let's read Quran 65:4: And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women – if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him of his matter ease. The ayah above talked about the waiting period before a divorced woman an remarry. In Islam and Arab culture it is 3months. I will like to look at the three categories of people listed in the ayah above, and they are: 1. Women that no longer see their menstrual period, that is women that have entered menopause. 2. Pregnant women 3. Women who have never experienced any form of menstruation. The third category is my area of interest. What age bracket can we find in this category? This is between the ages of 0-12 years. So a woman between this age bracket can be divorced, according to Qur'an 65:4. I am not the one making this claim, it is in the Quran. If this is verse does not encourage pedophilia what does it encourage? And to make it clearer to you, Mohammed engaged baby Aisha when she was 6 and started sleeping with her when she was 9. It is in your sahih Muslim and sahih bukhari. |
lfleak:Singing, dancing and clapping unto the Lord is part of worshipping God. Do you want me to show you where he have them in the Bible? |
lfleak:Which Qur'an are you talking about, is it the one you have at home? Bros don't get it twisted, Mohammed didn't ask his sahabas to compile all his alleged revelations as a book and publish it as a standard religious text. When Abu Bakr suggested the idea to Omar, he was sceptical about it and the hadith called the current Quran 'Abu Bakr's project' and was executed by uthman. Did allahh asked Abu Bakr to compile the Quran? Was Abu Bakr also inspired by allahh? |
lfleak:What do you mean by sujud? And so Jesus is for only the Christians. We are getting there. |
Martinez19:If she can't preach in a church, can you show me a bible verse that says a woman can preach to unbelievers only but not believers? |
seunH:But the bill board did not contain anybody "s religion or name. Any conclusion on whom the person might be is still speculative unless you have a preconceived idea of what the message is all about. |
seunH:At times we need to relax the mood in the house and apply a good sense of humour. That aside, does the bill board speaks of someone you are familiar with? |
JMAN05:But a woman can give you injection at the hospital, in your buttock. Hypocrite! Why don't you reject a female nurse giving you injection on your buttock, while you smile in pain? Go and read the genesis why Paul gave that instruction to the early church then you will understand better. If you are familiar with Paul's epistles, he, in various occasions, let us understand that some instructions he gave, to the early church, are his personal advise/opinion without the leading of the Holy Spirit. You need to understand that there was a great controversy concerning the role of women, in the early church, that made Paul to come up with that epistle. While I never condemned apostle Paul's advise on this matter, you have to understand the circumstances behind every epistle. In Saudi Arabia, they hire only women as midwives but in Europe most midwives are men, why? That's cultural and social differences and that does not make Saudi Arabia or Europe better. What is the spiritual consequence of a woman leading a Christian congregation? Can you state some? Are you saying God wil never answer a prayer session led by a woman? |
JMAN05:I have read and analyses hundreds of JW magazines, especially Awake! and watchtower, and hardly will any edition comes out without any form of Christian bashing, either doctrinally or philosophically. Can you mention any single such edition of the magazines I mentioned that has zero Christian bashing? You guys will never try that with Islam because they won't accept your bashing and will physically treat your technical intolerance in a violent way. This is a simple fact that your governing body understand. |
JMAN05:Why are JW obsessed with Christians but will never say anything against Islam or any other religion? Why are Christians the problems of JW? |
Empiree:I, upset? What qualities do Islam have? Is it religious intolerance (Quran 9:28)? Is it the sanctioning of pedophillia (Quran 65:4)? Is it the promotion of enmity and hatred (Quran 5:51)? Is it the sanctification of terror (Quran 2:171-2, sahih Bukhari 4:52:220)? If the above are good qualities then Islam is a stupid religion for the early men. |
Empiree:I believe you have learnt so many things, about Islam, from the kuffar on NL. |
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you are looking for unsuspecting folks to fool. Ain't gonna work 


if you don't know what sujud means. It is very elementary phrase every Muslim knows.