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Ishaq717:
please try reading the article on this page
https://www.soundvision.com/article/treating-christmas-with-respect

A fake American and western version of Islam. This version of Islam is meant to fool the kafir into complacency to make the kafir less suspicious of Islam and it's inherent threat to western civilization. This article was written by an American Muslim, a country where Muslims are still a very small minority. As the population of Muslims increase in an area, so the tone of their articles become more threatening and belligerent to the kafirs. You can't fool me with any Islamic sweet talk or article.

The Islam I know is the Islam of Mohammed and his sunnah which sanctioned terror against the infidels (sahih bukhari 4:52:196 & 220) and also Mohammed's instructions to Muslims to fight the Christians and the Jews with the aim of forcing them to pay the jizya in a Mafia style, that is pay the jizya (protection money), convert to Islam, or die (Quran 9:29). Demzy, your fellow Muslim, have already told the truth about the jizya. Read the commentary of Ibn Kathir, on the jizya payment, to get the bigger picture.

You can't deceive a well informed kafir like me.

Ishaq717:
come to my house and see d book, shey na proof u wan see u go see tire...

You wanna set me up to be.....(fill in the gap). Hope you understand the consequence of a kafir, like me, fighting allahh and his apostle (Quran 5:32). I can't come to your house bro, you can supply your proof here, that Mohammed, of all people, accommodated Christians in his Medina shrine. If Mohammed can accommodate the Christians and the Jews, in his shrine, a snake can as well accommodate a rabbit in the same hole.

With God all things are possible. Jesus Akbar!

Hakeem12:
that's your problem, searching for hate qoutes to justify your allegations doesn't prove nothing

So you mean there are hate quotes, by Mohammed, in the evil Koran? Jesus Akbar!

Ishaq717:
look at this barbaric e-warrior, how do you expect to know when you're not a Muslim? u think it's by picking up a translated Quran or hadith dt you've known abt Islam. dey there an be deceiving your self

My lying Muslim, I don't want too much stories, show me the simple proof that Mohammed accommodated Christians in his mosque in Medina. If you don't have any solid, or even flimsy proof, keep shut bro.

Hakeem12:
Well I'm a Muslim and I don't hate Christians. In fact it is written in the Quran to be very good to those who practice the same Abrahamic faith as us, I.e Jews and Christians. The no of likes you got on this hate speech only proves it's the other way round

Stop lying, we have read your evil book.

Quran 9:29,

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture (the Jews and the Christians) - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Ishaq717:
don't be too conclusive on Islam, in Islamic history, the prophet of Islam once welcomed Christians in his mosque in madina(Saudi arabia) I don't know y these two religions are beginning to hate each other when history hv shown there were close

Where do you get the information that Mohammed welcome Christians in his mosque in Medina? Any proove in the Quran or hadith? The last time I checked, Mohammed vowed to expel the Christians and the Jews from the Arabian peninsula and today there is no single church in Saudi Arabia.

Stop lying bro.

Frederick7:
Hahaha, you don't need to be confused, just search Google with all those credentials am sure you will get the answer... Lolz.

I have google-searchd the name of the 'perfect guy' on the bill board, and it seems its one of the fake prophets. I wont mention his name yet until I'm very sure.

I have been wondering who this perfect guy is. Is it Jesus, moses or Elijah? I am confused.

Most NURTW members have their names as kazeem, kabiru, fatai, Azeez, karimu, Ahmedi, afeezi, etc, and their motor park girlfriends (who usually sell paraga, cigarettes and hotdrinks) names are always nimota, kudiratu, kadijatu, ramota, fatimoh, etc.

I think the above names sound like Christian names.

aminusanti:
i am not here to be talking trash nd recycling issues pls
you are still talking nonsense and not making any sense my friend. you r yet to prove anything about the killing of apostate.


Am done with you on this part if you like carry on deceiving yourself. anyone thats here for facts will understand my prev post..take your time and read again if you still fail to comprehend you can ask someone to help you out..


* Do christian terrorist groups kill apostates using the of OT?
* is the God (jesus/yahweh) of deuteronomy (moses) different from the God christians?? why all these double standard nonsense??
* why would the loving GOD order the killing of apostate in the nation of israel?
* are the laws in OT and Hadith(on apostasy) permanent or temporary and what differentiate them?

* Did you start seeing how selfish u r yet ??

Again another waste of space..read my prev post pls..thnx

Oh you guys have started again, dragging the Bible down to promote current Islamic barbarity. The Jewish law is for the Jews. Jews are a race and judaism is their religion. Islam is not a race but an ideology, from the Arabs, that had gone global. I can't see anywhere the Jews are asking anybody or any country to follow the laws of moses. Nowhere and at no any time in history! The laws in Deuteronomy are meants for the Jews ONLY.

The Islamic laws are not only for the Arab-muslims, the sharia law, according to allahh and his messenger, is meant to be universal. That is forcing Arabian laws and customs on other race and people of the earth, either peacefully or violently (as the case often be). Apostasy and blasphemy laws are parts of the sunnah of your prophet as contained in numerous hadith narrations.

Stop lying mr lienus.

Deicide:
It seems like you guys are quoting from different Quran or what?

The Muslims here are trying to deceive us kafirs, but fortunately we kafirs have read their dirty secrets. Thanks to the internet.

plappville:
Apostasy is Islamic. Stop lying. Al taquiya.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnZviVTXoAA

The Arabs are very clear on this, the punishment for apostasy, in islam, is either death or imprisonment. Unfortunately, non-arab Muslims (fake Muslims and wanabe Arabs) will always try to deny, and deflect from this ugly reality.

aminusanti:
is this a way for you to prove your empty claims?? So, i should use Saudi to judge islam not the scriptures? pls get this right, "wrong is wrong even if the whole world is doing it and right is right even if you are the only one doing it"...why cant you prove it using the scriptures if truly you knw what you are reading?
Some few group of Muslims believe in killing apostates but according to most prominent scholars around the globe proved it is not and the same goes to the Bible the crusader and some other christian groups believed killing a non-believer/apostate is allowed using these bible verses, what are you going to say about them?? Are you saying they are doing it the right way??
Exermine the following verses closely

>>>Deut 13:6<<<
“If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

>>>Deut<<<
“And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, …..and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.”


is this how you interpret scriptures without any context? you dont have to lie to prove something my friend, i made this crystal clear in my prev post..

If a verse says "Kill them", Who does it refer to? Why? When you look at 88-94 you see:
1- Who: Hypocrites.
2- Why: They want you to leave your religion and fight against you.
3- Whoever wants peace, give it to them.

Looking at the reasons for revelation of these verses, they were about the Battle of Uhud... It's about the deserters.

Out of the 1000 fighters of the Muslim army, right before the battle started, some people left them and went back home, this is also mentioned in the Quran Surat 'Ali `Imran [3:166-168]...

After the Muslims lost the battle, they disagreed on what to do with the people who deserted right before the battle.

A simplified summary of what's in [4:88-94] would be:
You can't help them unless they help themselves.
They want you to leave your faith and be like them.
If they fight you, you may kill them except for
Those who join a group with whom you have a treaty.
Those who don't want to fight.
Those who send you (Guarantees of) peace.

Allah opened no way for you to wage any war against them.

You will find others who wish to obtain security from you. Who keep falling back into disbelief, and keep fighting Muslims.

If they do not stop fighting, or offer peace, or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you overtake them.

Allah made a clear authorization about those.

A believer should never kill a believer
If it happens by mistake, the killer should pay a compensation.
If it happens intentionally, the killer will go to Hell, for ever.

Assume that whoever greets you with peace is a believer.

Looks clear enough, it's about a specific group of people, and gave many possibilities, options, exceptions, clears out asumptions...

thats the reason why you pple are always failing to comprehend even your scriptures bcus u only read without bothering to comprehend it as it should. Reading and understanding are two very different things. We all know this. Believers study the scriptures not with only open mind but also with good understanding; non-believers like you skim through it and somehow think that they have a firmer grasp on it than we do.

Now read the next verse and see if you can understanding something there>>

>>Quran [9:13] Will you not fight against those who broke their pledges and did all they could to drive the Messenger away and initiated hostilities against you? Do you fear them? Surely Allah has greater right that you should fear Him, if you are true believers.

you will always misinterpret da islamic scriptures simply bcus u are only looking for fault in it and thats why you end up copying n pasting rubbish always..
from the above verse one can easily understand what the verses before this are talking about, those verses are talking about the hypocrites that will tale false oath in other to take advantage of the muslim by attacking them, what will you do if someone is there to harm/kill you?

any sensible persn that read my prev post will surely knw i already explained all these... Again

>>>Let us look at Noble Verse 3:72
"A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam)."

While Islam was weak and still growing among Jews, Christians and Pagans back then, Muslims did not have the full and complete religion that they needed. Some Jews and Christians wanted to take advantage of such situation to destroy Islam. They had a plan to adopt Islam first and then desert it, thus creating the impression that Islam was not a religion worth adopting. To protect Islam from such Satanic attempts done by a group of the people of the book (Jews and Christians), Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him ordered the death of those who enter Islam and leave it. This temporary law that was put by our Prophet had stopped the hypocrites from the People of the Book who carried so much hatred toward Islam to enter Islam and desert it afterwards.Certainly if the apostate is hostile toward the Muslims and joins the enemy in a war against them, or tries to corrupt the Muslims in the Muslim lands by trying to convert them to his/her new deviant religion, then the matter becomes different in some arab nation...

My Few questions for you
* Does your scriptures support the killing of apostate?

Deut 13:6<<<[/b]
[color=#990000]“If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

>>>Deut<<<
“And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, …..and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.”
etc

It is surprising that Nigerian Muslims seem to have more understanding of Islam than the numerous sheiks and ulamas in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam and the country that hosts the yearly pilgrimage of hajj. It is shocking that a country, that is Nigeria, that experienced Islam for less than 250 years would want to lecture the country where Islam originated from, that is Saudi Arabia, their ancestral religion. That's the height or arrogance and ignorance, on the part of Nigerian or black Muslims. The Saudis will be smiling at your ignorance and arrogance.

You said it is a few Muslim that approve of killing of apostates. Bros you are lying, either deliberately or ignorantly, and I believe the former to be true. Below is a link for countries where atheist and apostates are killed or jailed , and you know what, they are all Islamic countries;

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/13-countries-where-atheism-punishable-death/355961/

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/

www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/05/islam-saudi-apostasy-201458142128717473.html

Open the links above and read. It is a pity that Muslims no longer believe in facts and their own hadith, all in an attempt to defend the barbaric tradition of Islam, which are applicable in most hard core Islamic countries.

In a typical Muslim manner you quoted the Jewish Torah of Deuteronomy in order to deflect current discussion. Can you show me a single Jewish or Christian country that punish apostates? The answer is non. Did Jesus ask his followers to kill apostates, the same way Mohammed did, and even executed some apostates personally which currently serves as part of the sunnah of your prophet Mohammed? And it is unfortunate that you have to juxtapos and wriggle in order to explain Quran 4:85 and 65 which sanctioned killing of apostates, what a shame.

And again you condemned all the numerous hadith that sanctioned the killing of apostates, even when they are all sahih. Why do Muslims like lies and deceptions? The 'science' of hadith stipulate that an hadith is sahih when there are more that 2 or 3 chains of narrators, why are you breaking the rules of Islamic laws and jurisprudence?

aminusanti:
I will cut dis into 2 parts, i will proceed to the next part if those online scholars above clear their lies.
Alhamdulillah ! Islam provides more than enough detailed explanation and proofs on this "Killling of the apostate" Without knowledge of context these funny kafirs will come here to spread their mat of lies thinking everyone is foolish, sheepishly copying n paste without proper understanding. You can carry on hating islam but the truth will always remain, you can talk from now till next year if you like but
whoever is here for the truth will surely benefit from it.
You wont be getting any muslim here wasting his time to contribute knowing exactly who alBHAGDADI and his squad r here on NL. they are well known on NL for their dishonesty,lying, rude and disrespectful attitude towards other faiths(religion)..


Today due to lack of proper understanding of the scripture both Muslims nd non-muslim get easily influenced by this kind of Islam haters (alBHAGDADI & co) on the internet and media showing islam is there to kill everyone...Notice no where in the Quran it was mentioned to kill an apostate...its always contrary to the hadith of the prophet and here is why..

1. >>>Let us look at Noble Verse 3:72
"A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam)."

While Islam was weak and still growing among Jews, Christians and Pagans back then, Muslims did not have the full and complete religion that they needed. Some Jews and Christians wanted to take advantage of such situation to destroy Islam. They had a plan to adopt Islam first and then desert it, thus creating the impression that Islam was not a religion worth adopting. To protect Islam from such Satanic attempts done by a group of the people of the book (Jews and Christians), Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him ordered the death of those who enter Islam and leave it. This temporary law that was put by our Prophet had stopped the hypocrites from the People of the Book who carried so much hatred toward Islam to enter Islam and desert it afterwards.


2. >>>QURAN 5:54<<<
"O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He (Allah) will love as they will love Him lowly with the believers, Mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproachers of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah which He will bestow on whom He (Allah) pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things."

Here in this Holy Verse we see again Allah Almighty strengthening the faith of the Muslims in Islam by assuring them that whenever they see Muslims leaving Islam they will also see those who join Islam with strong faith and love to Allah Almighty not kill.


3. >>>Let us look at Noble Verse 3:90<<<
"But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray."

This Holy Verse also does not order the death of those who leave Islam.


4. >>>Quran: Let us look at Noble Verses 15:2-3<<<
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."

5. >>>Quran: Let us look at Noble Verse 18:29<<<
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"


6. >>>The Noble Quran, 10:101-102<<<
"Say: 'Behold all that is in the heavens and on earth'; but neither Signs nor Warners profit those who believe not. Do they then expect (any thing) but (what happened in) the days of the men who passed away before them? Say: 'Wait ye then: for I, too, will wait with you."

Notice how Allah Almighty orders us to say "Wait" to those who reject Islam. This clearly says that we can't force anyone into Islam, or punish anyone for leaving Islam.


7.>>>Quran: Let us look at Noble Verse 2:256<<<
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."

The Holy Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam. Muslims must not let people resent Islam and Muslims. They must leave people decide for themselves because the "Truth stands out clear from error" (2:256).


>>>Quran: Noble Verse 4:137 <<<
"Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way."

Notice that the Quran says those who reject faith and then BELIEVE and again DISBELIEVE. if a Muslim rejects faith and is then killed for doing so how will he live to again BELIEVE and then DISBELIEVE. The atmosphere of this verse is that of free will and freedom of choice to everyone. If Allah wanted he would have said something about the punishment, if there was any, of those who reject Islam after accepting it. but Allah takes this to be clearly a private matter between them and Allah.

I found many verses in the Quran that teach us NO PUNISHMENT for an apostate BUT I found no verse that says the contrary.
Compulsion is incompatible with religion: Because (1) religion depends upon faith and will, and these would be meaningless by force; (2) Truth and Error have been so clearly shown up by the mercy of Allah Almighty that there should be no doubt in the minds of any persons of good will as to the fundamentals of faith; (3) Allah Almighty's protection is continuous, and His Plan is always to lead us from the depths of darkness into the clearest light.

How I wish that your revised version of Islam were true, but no, you cannot revise the commandments of allahh and his apostle. You might be right that the Koran did not make any specific reference to killing apostates, but the hadith did (the sunnah of your prophet also sanctioned the killing of apostates). Saudi Arabia, the centre and the source of Islamic religion and theology, approved the killing of apostates, in obedience to allahh and his messenger. The links below may assist you.

www.express.co.uk/news/world/560329/Man-gets-death-sentence-for-apostasy-in-Saudi-Arabia-after-ripping-up-Koran

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.html


The quranic verses below sanctioned killing of whoever leaves islam:

Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.

Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

If you read the above surah with open mind, you will discover that apostasy is never acceptable in the koran. Now compare the above surah with the hadith below;

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" This verse from the Hadith is worse than it appears because it isn't speaking solely of apostates, but those who say they believe but don't put their religion into practice.

I appreciate the fact that you wish Islam will be civil enough to accept apostates, but you are wrong. It is very clear in the hadith and the quran that apostates should be killed. Why do we have some verses of the quran that seem to promote religious freedom in Islam (Quran 2:256)? The peaceful Koranic verses were revealed in mecca when Mohammed was weak and was under the persecution of the meccan pagans. The violent verses, which were revealed in Medina, abrogated the meccan people verses. I believe you understand the concept of abrogation in Islam.

In summary, killing apostates is mainstream Islam and part of the sunnah of the prophet, especially when he moved from mecca to Medina.

WhoBeThisMan:
I appreciate your contributions, but pls don't insult.

Now my question, who are those that wrote the hadits, and can they be verified?

The hadith were written by different people who lived about 200 to 300 years after the death of Mohammed. Pls note that Mohammed died of food poison he ate in a Jewish town called khaibar.

The major writers are Bukhari and Muslim. This two are regarded as the most authentic and reliable hadith collectors in Islam.

Other writers of hadith are Ibn Majjah, al-tirmidi and Abu dawood. Their hadith collections are also acceptable in mainstream Islam.

What is hadith (though I chose to call it ha-death atimes)? Hadith is the collections of all what Mohammed said and did, not as a biography, but as a piece-by-piece testimony of different individuals who are the contemporaries of Mohammed, especially his sahabas or disciples. The hadith collectors traveled far and wide, like investigative journalist, to gather information about Mohammed, and this is what lead to what we now have as the hadith.

Pls note that none of the hadith collectors saw Mohammed face to face or know him personally, they only gathered true and false information from the 5 to 7 generation of people who lived after the death of Mohammed, some of whom are descendants of the sahabas. This is why the hadith is not reliable hence the segmentation of the hadith into authentic (sahih), weak and fabricated hadith. And from my perspective, Islam is all about falsehood and fabrications, by the desert Arabs, and wrapped with Mohammed and allahh. Whatever lies the medieval Arabs tell the world, as long as it packaged and wrapped with Mohammed emblem, it must be true.

Thank you.

hodusglobal:
Lalasticlala or mynd44...Anyone of you should close this thread immediately...Order from the Federal Peace Fellows of Nigeria. Because people will start argument now and which may leads to insulting each other. I guessed there's something drumming inside the OP brain. Thanks!

We have been arguing on NL since the time of prophet Moses. If you can cope with the naked truth about allahh and his apostle you can go to another topic.

WhoBeThisMan:
are these in the Quran?

Most of the Islamic teachings are not found in the Quran but in the hadith, the sirah (by Ibn Ishaq and altabari) and the sunnah. The Quran makes up less than 10% of Islamic theology. All the hadith and the sirah albagdadi quoted are true and acceptable in mainstream Islam.

However, some Muslims do reject the hadith and the sirah because it exposed the real character of Mohammed as a bloodthirsty criminal and a sexmaniac individual.

[quote author=hushpapi post=57109236][/quote]Quran 5:51, take not the Jews and Christians for friend, companion or ally for they are ally to each other.....

Demmzy15:
Flatheaaded Jews, looks like it pain you gan.

We will conquer this world, the West, we'll enter their lands and marry their ladies and give birth to healthy Muslim children.

Islam with conquer the world when over 70% of Muslims are destitute living on dole and govt mercy in Europe and America. Islam will conquer the world when you guys are hated worldwide for your criminal activities and you guys will shout 'islamophobia'. Go and see your doctors, you guys are having a chronic typhoid fever.

Demmzy15:
We don't need an army, we simply enter Europe and populate it. We marry your women and give birth to Muslim kids, I'm in my house, come and beat me!

Islam will conquer the world!

The 'WE' you are talking about, that want to conquer your imaginary world, is it the black Yoruba Muslims that want to conquer the world or your nonproductive Arab masters (who regard all blacks as and or slaves) or both? The last time i checked, the Muslims/Arabs are the most unproductive people on earth.

Do you mean your fake allahh does not give Muslims brain to build a modern city, vehicles, planes, ships, etc? So you guys wanna leave your desert to steal and occupy what the kafirs had built? You Muslims must be suffering from a general typhoid fever if your Imams tell you you will defeat and conquer the infidels.

The last news I watched, a kafir head of state, Donald Trump, went to the epicenter of the pagan Islamic world, Saudi Arabia, to technically humiliate all your Islamic leaders worldwide, even still making reference to 'Islamic terrorism' while all your Muslim leaders frowned their faces and bowed their heads in shame (Lol). Donald Trump, after shaming you guys in the US, came to your head office, Saudi Arabia, to finish his humiliation and you are here shouting 'islam will conquer the world'. With Saudi sword?

Shameless mumu Muslims, running to the west to beg for handout.

Demmzy15:
We're tired of this, at least come up with something better!



Who's talking about crusaders?! You were all defeated in the crusades to the extent you began butchering each other, abeg tell me another joke.

I'm talking about what the Spanish and Portuguese did in Latin America.

BY the way, Spanish Muslims are returning back, in the US alone we have close to 200,000 Spanish Muslims(not mixed o, who are pure Spanish) and many more are coming back to the original religion of their ancestors.

Currently, in the US, there's a pure Spanish mosque where Islam is taught in Spanish, not English but Spanish... Beat that mehn



Mumu, read my posts well. I said over 70 million people were killed as a result of Christian Chinese rebels.



See illiterate, so the 100,000 dead from their actions should be forgotten? Or are saying because the world wars are over, then the millions killed should be forgotten?

See almajiri who has the opportunity to use a mobile phone call someone an illiterate. The world is truly coming to an end.

You mean the generation of Muslim Moors invaders that were forcefully sent packing from spain and Portugal are coming back to Spain? That's good. I hope they will respect themselves this time around or else they will be sent back to the deserts again, that's Tunisia and Morocco, where their ancestors come from.

The Spanish and the Portuguese killed a lot of south American natives, just as the Arabs killed over 270 million Indians in their quest to conquer the Indian subcontinent for allahh and his criminal apostle Mohammed. The impact of their destruction can still be felt with the creation of a pseudo-arab terror society called Pakistan and Bangladesh, from continental India. Do you know the difference? The Arab invasion and destruction of India was in accordance with the instruction of allahh and his criminal apostle, while the action of the Portuguese and Spanish ran contrary to the teaching of Christ.

The LRA is a product of Rwandan civil war, they didn't fight to convert pagan Muslims to Christ. Stop reasoning like a Muslim, reason logically.

Demmzy15:
We meet again.

The question should be who started the war in Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?!

I await your answer!

I will help you since you don't wanna read.

The war in yemem is a sectarian crisis between the shia houthis, backed by Iran and the deposed corrupt sunni govt. backed by the Saudis. The Saudis have been bombing the Yemeni houthis for over 2 years.

The Syrian conflict was a local one which has changed to a cold crisis between the superpowers, the US and Russia. The Saudis (leader of the sunni Muslims) financed the US effort in Syria while Iran (leader of the Shi'a Muslims) finance Russia effort in Syria. All the same, it still a proxy war between the sunni and the shia.

In Iraq, the US messed up big time. Saddam is the best leader Iraq had because he kept Iraq peaceful and ensured that Muslim terrorist did not distabilize his country.

In Afghanistan, the taliban were killing and oppressing fellow Muslims. The US should have left them alone because Muslims like killing and oppressing themselves when there are no kafirs to kill and oppress. Afghanistan was never a peaceful country, with or without the US intervention. All the same, the US should withdraw from Muslim countries so that they can finish themselves as usual. Shia vs Sunnis, Ahmadiyya vs sunnis, the alawite vs Sunnis, the sufis vs Sunnis, etc.

The Sunnis seems to be a greater terror group than other Islamic sects.

Demmzy15:
So you're saying as long as it isn't a religious war, then killing is okay?

1. What of the millions killed by the Portuguese and Spanish for not accepting Christianity?

2. What of over 70 million killed by Christian Chinese rebels?

3. What of over 100,000(< Boko-are-rams and ISIS combined) killed during the insurgency of the LRA(Lord Resistance Army)?

Don't blame Portugal, blame Mohammed who canonized aggression in the Quran (Quran 8:60; 2:171-2; 9:5; 9:29, etc) and the hadith (sahih bukhari 4:52:196 and 220). Mohammed is the inspiration behind the global Islamic terror.

Don't blame the Spanish, blame the Muslims/Arabs/turks for invading their country, took them as slaves and their women as sex slaves, in obedience to allahh and his apostle (Quran 8:1). The crusade is the best period in the Christian era because it helped kicked Muslims out of Spain and Portugal, after the Muslims invaded and killed thousands of Christians in Spain and Portugal. Since Muslims are stubborn goats, they are migrating to Europe again, and will surely be kicked out again.

70 Muslims killed by Chinese Christians? Is that what your lying sheiks told you in your brainwashing centers, that is mosque and madrasas?

The Lord's resistance army are no longer fighting their civil war, besides they didnt fight to convert Muslim infidels to Christiaity. Stop arguing like a dunce.

Demmzy15:
Don't change topic, we're talking about terrorism. So US continues to kill, then Saudi opens its borders for the victims?

Who is bombing Yemen? Nigeria or Saudi Arabia?

Who is financing the rebels in Syria? Nigeria or Saudi Arabia/Qatar?

TayeJiboluwa:
something is still trying to hinder or is hindering your travel to the US. you should pray for a revelation of what it could be.

Thanks bro.

TayeJiboluwa:
Your friend is trying to invite you to the US but something is hindering it, probably a financial limitation. You need to pray for success. Ask God to bring success into your life.

Thanks bro, but both of us never talked for over 5yrs and I never tell him I want to visit the US. Although I have an independent plan for that. Pls clarify better.

Bro Tayo, I saw a friend in my dream, who is currently in the US, told me he cannot give me an invitation to the US. What does this imply?

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We have also started discussions with many of the countries present today on strengthening partnerships, and forming new ones, to advance security and stability across the Middle East and beyond.
Later today, we will make history again with the opening of a new Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology – located right here, in this central part of the Islamic World.

This groundbreaking new center represents a clear declaration that Muslim-majority countries must take the lead in combatting radicalization, and I want to express our gratitude to King Salman for this strong demonstration of leadership.
I have had the pleasure of welcoming several of the leaders present today to the White House, and I look forward to working with all of you.

America is a sovereign nation and our first priority is always the safety and security of our citizens. We are not here to lecture—we are not here to tell other people how to live, what to do, who to be, or how to worship. Instead, we are here to offer partnership – based on shared interests and values – to pursue a better future for us all.
Here at this summit we will discuss many interests we share together. But above all we must be united in pursuing the one goal that transcends every other consideration. That goal is to meet history’s great test—to conquer extremism and vanquish the forces of terrorism.

Young Muslim boys and girls should be able to grow up free from fear, safe from violence, and innocent of hatred. And young Muslim men and women should have the chance to build a new era of prosperity for themselves and their peoples.
With God’s help, this summit will mark the beginning of the end for those who practice terror and spread its vile creed. At the same time, we pray this special gathering may someday be remembered as the beginning of peace in the Middle East – and maybe, even all over the world.
But this future can only be achieved through defeating terrorism and the ideology that drives it.
Few nations have been spared its violent reach.

America has suffered repeated barbaric attacks – from the atrocities of September 11th to the devastation of the Boston Bombing, to the horrible killings in San Bernardino and Orlando.

The nations of Europe have also endured unspeakable horror. So too have the nations of Africa and even South America. India, Russia, China and Australia have been victims.

But, in sheer numbers, the deadliest toll has been exacted on the innocent people of Arab, Muslim and Middle Eastern nations. They have borne the brunt of the killings and the worst of the destruction in this wave of fanatical violence.

Some estimates hold that more than 95 percent of the victims of terrorism are themselves Muslim.

We now face a humanitarian and security disaster in this region that is spreading across the planet. It is a tragedy of epic proportions. No description of the suffering and depravity can begin to capture its full measure.

The true toll of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, and so many others, must be counted not only in the number of dead. It must also be counted in generations of vanished dreams.

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In my inaugural address to the American People, I pledged to strengthen America’s oldest friendships, and to build new partnerships in pursuit of peace. I also promised that America will not seek to impose our way of life on others, but to outstretch our hands in the spirit of cooperation and trust.

Our vision is one of peace, security, and prosperity—in this region, and in the world.
Our goal is a coalition of nations who share the aim of stamping out extremism and providing our children a hopeful future that does honor to God.

And so this historic and unprecedented gathering of leaders—unique in the history of nations—is a symbol to the world of our shared resolve and our mutual respect. To the leaders and citizens of every country assembled here today, I want you to know that the United States is eager to form closer bonds of friendship, security, culture and commerce.

For Americans, this is an exciting time. A new spirit of optimism is sweeping our country: in just a few months, we have created almost a million new jobs, added over 3 trillion dollars of new value, lifted the burdens on American industry, and made record investments in our military that will protect the safety of our people and enhance the security of our wonderful friends and allies – many of whom are here today.

Now, there is even more blessed news I am pleased to share with you. My meetings with King Salman, the Crown Prince, and the Deputy Crown Prince, have been filled with great warmth, good will, and tremendous cooperation. Yesterday, we signed historic agreements with the Kingdom that will invest almost $400 billion in our two countries and create many thousands of jobs in America and Saudi Arabia.
This landmark agreement includes the announcement of a $110 billion Saudi-funded defense purchase – and we will be sure to help our Saudi friends to get a good deal from our great American defense companies. This agreement will help the Saudi military to take a greater role in security operations.