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ANTIlSLAM:
So some Muslims knw Islam more than where Islam started from.. This is confusion at highest order

It is ironical that Nigerian muslims, most of who cannot even speak arabic, believe they understand Islam more that the wahabis in saudi arabia.

Babaheekmat:
Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَعَمْرٌو النَّاقِدُ، وَإِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، وَابْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ، - قَالَ إِسْحَاقُ أَخْبَرَنَا وَقَالَ الآخَرُونَ، حَدَّثَنَا - سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ عَطَاءٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ، عَبَّاسٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

‏ إِذَا أَكَلَ أَحَدُكُمْ طَعَامًا فَلاَ يَمْسَحْ يَدَهُ حَتَّى يَلْعَقَهَا أَوْ يُلْعِقَهَا ‏"

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Ibn 'Abbas reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ.) as saying:

When any one of you eats food he should not wipe his hand until he has licked it himself or has given it to someone else to lick.



Sahih Muslim 2031 a
In-book : Book 36, Hadith 168
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 23, Hadith 5037  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

COMMAND FROM ROSUL

Are you for real? Do you mean mohammed asked muslims to lick one another's finger after eating?

Babaheekmat:
Sebi oloriburuku ara yin le ti imam Ahmad bin anbal mo jail.. sheikh Jabata.. e ti mo le.. no be today una dey jail salafs na..Your father Sarafa gbadebo also want to jail our brothers in ogbomosho.. Allah o gba fun ni..Insha Allah my daughter will be a salaf and we will also abuse the kufar too.. Cursing them ni it's not allowed..

The religion of peace always abusing, cursing and killing each other. You even want your daughter to be a salafi, a potential and future 'eleha' (fully veiled) woman who might likely be the 4th wife of one long-bearded, short-trousered and blacked forehead angry looking salafi man. I wish you the best of luck in your alqeda.

Empiree:
It is wrong for Saudi govt to do that. It is religious persecution, hatred and bigotry on the part of Saudi govt.

You seem to understand Islam more than the owners and the custodians of the religion themselves, the Saudis, whose forefathers started the religion. And FYA the ulamas, the religious adviser to the kings and crown kings, made this provision and I am very sure that they understand Islam more than you.

Empiree:
Ahmadiya are Muslim even if they have difference view on certain creed

You are not in the position to determine who a Muslim is simply because the guy says the shahada or reads the quran. Can I be a Muslim and believe Jesus as the son of God, or believe in another prophet after your rasool? I am not against the Ahmadiyyas, I like them because they are the most tolerant Muslims, unlike the Wahhabis or the salafis, but most muslims (even the shia) consider them as kuffar. The Pakistani government can tolerate the Christians but will never tolerate the Ahmadiyyas. The sunni-led Pakistani government outlawed them and they are always killed and persecuted.

Empiree:
Besides, not all Muslims agreed with Saudi decision.

You don’t need to agree with them but they own Islam and can decide who comes to their country for hajj or umra. I am very sure you can’t do hajj in Ibadan or Oshogbo since the arabian god called allah won’t accept your blackstone in Ibadan or Oshogbo.

Empiree:
whoever tell you that they are not Muslim is based on politics not Sharia. Shia and Ahmadiya are Muslim

Ahmadiya are not allowed in Saudi Arabia and they dont accept Mohammed as the final prophet of allah. Is that part of islam?

AntiChristian:
Rather it's on who couldn't attack the message but only the messenger.

You are hear jumping like a monkey. Explain this ayah of the quran to us:

9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

advocatejare:
I'm not like Allah that babbles.

Let me show you how your Allah babbles, tell us the meanings of these if they are not babbles


Kaf Ha Yan 'Ayn Sad (Quran 19:1)

Ta Ha (Quran 20:1)

Ta Seen meem (Quran 26:1)

Ta Seen (Quran 27:1)

Funny enough the name of surah 27 is 'surah ant'. I wonder why allah will name a surah after the ant colony.

xpool:
You dont know the law at all!This penalty against your slave master - SOKO LOAN speaks volume of your "repercussions". You steal peoples money, even when they have paid, yet you font return their money - "repercussions" indeed.Waite my dear, you go see litigations soon, and soko loan and their likes will deny you and all their staff. Then the court will explain to you the true meaning of repercussion.Better start looking for a real job or did you go to school to be a thug?

The Oyerinde guy would have done better as an NURTW member working for McOluomo. A tout will always be a tout, educated or not.

Oyerinde16:
Anytime you receive such a message, just know someone with your contact unilaterally gave it out without your consent, you should be weary of such people.

I can’t be wary of them but of your crime syndicates you call a loan company. You guys sent SMS to over 50 people concerning one of your customers, who happened to be my colleague’s brother, and this is how it reads:

AAA BBB CCC (his name in mask) 080******* IS A DEFIANT DEBTOR WHO HAS FLEE WITH A LOAN AND NOT REQUITE. NOTIFY HIM NOW TO AVOID PUBLIC EMBARRASSMENT.

Why send this kind of SMS to a person who is not in the know of your business transaction? You guys are lucky to operate in a lawless society.

Oyerinde16:
I'm very surprised people can come to the defence of a defaulter...

Stop acting like a criminal; nobody is here defending any defaulter. What people are speaking against is your unethical style of loan recovery whereby you tarnish the images of your customers and clog people’s, people who are not aware of your business transaction, phone with blackmailing SMS. You have to stop this approach. I have received some SMS from anonymous people claiming that someone I never even met received a loan and refused to pay back. Initially my thinking was that it was from ‘yahoo’ guys until last week I learnt that it was a loan recovery strategy. If you cannot effectively run a loan-giving business you quit.

This is lawlessness!

Oyerinde16:
While you have a point, its the defaulter that deposited your number, and people put other peoples number in cases of emergencies, such that call or contact this person if need be, or can someone go to hospital and ask why he was called because the injured person gave his contact, if you can't help, you go but if you can help them recover you help., they did not manufacture your number from somewhere, someone that knows you dropped your number...

I don’t really understand your argument here. There is what we call ‘risk appetite’ in business. The higher the risk appetite, the higher the expected return in investment and the higher the loss in investment as well (should something go wrong). That being said, running a Loan-giving business is a very lucrative but risky business with a very high-risk appetite. They should be aware that many people will default and should have found a more appropriate and legal way of recovering their money. Using a gangster and ‘Agbero’ approach actually validated the fact that most of these companies into soft-loan are themselves criminals. It is a criminal offense to blackmail someone who defaulted in loan repayment. You guys are only benefiting from people’s ignorance and high rate of poverty in the land. If all your customers, including the people you send blackmailing SMS messages to, collectively sue you guys for privacy invasion and blackmail, you will forget about their debt and japa.

Beancounter94:
Becauae sadly , and I am.not saying that everyone does It, some customers are those kind of people. People who take loans without having any intentionof paying them back

Here on Nairaland we have seen guys and girls proudly boast of their strategies to beat payday loan apps. Including installing app on a phone with zero contacts.

You are not making sense. This nonsense can only happen in Nigeria where you, the loan company, will blatantly blackmail and disgrace your defaulter instead of using a legally acceptable and civilized option. Why send me an unsolicited text message concerning your defaulter when I was never aware of your business transaction? In a civilized country you guys would have faced serious litigations, and perhaps, would have gone bankrupt for this unethical business practice.

AntiChristian:
So who started Christianity?

And how Christian was Jesus worshipping/praying like this?

Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:29

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church (not mosques), and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18.

The cburch here is the body of christ.

advocatejare:
All the words in the brackets are not in the Arabic Quran but mere opinion of the translators so there is no direct words from the authors of the Qur'an that gives the meaning of Islam

The ‘AntiChristian:’ guy is not serious. How would he consider the words in bracket (translators’ opinions/biases as the words of aallah. There is none of the words in paranethisis (brackets) in the english quran that can be found in the original Arabic text. Many muslims,, includidng ‘AntiChristian’, are just arguing from the position of ignorance.

advocatejare:
You and your Quran are confused together. Your Quran says that Jesus is the Word and Spirit of your god.

"... The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a spirit from Him.
....
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)


Can someone's Word and Spirit be His servant?

You yourself know that it doesn't make sense like many babbles in the Qur'an.

Babbles like:

Kaf Ha Yan 'Ayn Sad (Quran 19:1)

Ta Ha (Quran 20:1)

Ta Seen meem (Quran 26:1)

Ta Seen (Quran 27:1)

That was why you were commanded to ask us whenever you're dazed.



فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ  ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94)



You guys are so predictable, you run to get validation from the Christians anytime we expose your Allah for who he is as an idol, a moon and star idol whose image you put at the top of the minarets of your mosques.

Stop using the fact that Arabs Christians also refer to God as Allah to say that Muslims Allah is not a pagan god.

The generic name for God is Ilah in Arabic and it's usually preceded with 'Al' which means 'The' hence, Al-Ilah which was later contracted to mean Allah. As for your own Allah, the Arab moon god is called Lah and this is also preceded by Al which means 'The' hence, Al and Lah was combined to give you your own Allah.

The Allah Christians,(whether Arabs or Hausa) pray to and worship is the Holy One of Israel, the Father of Christ the Mesaiah, The One not confined to the Kaaba, the One Who doesn't support immorality, the one whom Muhammad was not his Prophet, the one not prayed to in the mosques.

So, the name may sound the same, the One Christians worship is different.
The Arab Christians never joined in the naked worship of Allah in the Kaaba, they never did pilgrimage to the Kaaba, they never associated with the Allah of the Muslisms.
Another thing you should know is that the so called pagans were actually worshipping Allah who was and is, also a pagan god they knew Allah for whom he was and still is, Muhammad didn't tell about a new Allah, Christians and Jews in Mecca that time never joined them in naked worship of Allah the immoral god in the Kaaba, everyone knew the whom they were worshipping.

I've cited the example of Abdulmuttalib for you, who every Muslim agree was pagan but being a pagan that he was, he named his son after his Idol, Allah : Abd Allah :Abdullah..
Another evidence is the revelation in the Quran:
"And when they commit a Fahisha (evil deed, going round the Kabah in naked state, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.), they say: "We found our fathers doing it and Allah has commanded us of it." ...
- Qur'an 7:28, Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali translation.

Note that from the above, they mentioned Allah as their god who had been supporting their sexual immoralities and nudity during Tawaf and this continued even until after Muhammad became the Prophet of the same allah and then decided to modify the tradition but Fahisha still take place at the Kaaba, women are being groped abs molested while doing Tawaf

""It is during the tawaf that many women experience groping, handling and grabbing, says Eltahawy, according to the responses she's heard from women. "It's very crowded. At any given moment, there are thousands of men and women [circling Kaaba at one time].""
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/02/26/588855132/-mosquemetoo-gives-muslim-women-a-voice-about-sexual-misconduct-at-mecca?t=1589006156833


And even today,
Christians who call God Allah don't pray to Allah the idol of the Kaaba, they don't accept the Muhammad as the Messenger of God, they don't associate with the idol Allah, so how can you say you worship the same God as them. Ajegbodo Empiree n wa eni kunra. Continue worshipping your idol while Arab and Hausa Christians worship Al-Ilah the Holy One of Israel.

But Muhammad made us know that the pagan Allah was the same Allah his Quraysh tribe worshipped that's why he retained all the practices and only modified some.

Allah of Muslims and Islam is the same as Hubal and Baal the moon idol and that's why the symbol of Islam is crescent moon and star.

Islam clearly goes against the order of God that they should not set up a stone for worship
Lev.26.1 - "'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.

Have you seen now, while Yahweh forbids bowing down to stone, Muslims bow down to the Blackstone to kiss it as part of the religious obligation during hajj.

God bless you bro! You are never as boring as Empire.

AntiChristian:
You still haven't answered my question yet. Yahweh created Jesus. Where did Yahweh made Jesus a Christian? What's Yahweh religion for his people?

Jesus never claimed to be a Christian. He was a practicing Jew while on earth. It was his disciples who follow his footsteps that were named ‘Christians’ when they went to preach in Antioch. His deviation from traditional Jewish practices/belief is what made his followers to be called Christians. He is also the fulfilment of the new covenant/testament.

AntiChristian:
So if two Christians interprets a Bible verse in two different ways, that surely means one of the Christian's holy spirit subscription has expired or is fake?

Ibn Kathir and ibn Jelalalyn are not two random Muslims on the street but experts and authorities in their commentaries (tafsir) and interpretation of the Quran. On quran 66:1-5, sahih bukhari (used by ibn kathir) provided a completely different scenario from that of ibn Nissan (used by ibn jelalalyn) on what led to allah revealing quran 66:1-5. Stop winning me bro and accept the fact that Islam is filled with confusions and denials of their own text (abrogation in the quran, weak, strong and fabricated hadith).

AntiChristian:
For as you judge you also shall be judged.

Unrelated!

Seun:
How do you know that Abu wasn't lying because he hated Jews. The majority of hadiths were acknowledged by scholars as fake. Maybe this one was fake too but the scholars' hatred for Jews made them accept it.

This hadith is graded 'sahih', that is authentic by the Muslim scholars.

Seun:
This was never claimed to be a message from God.

According to muslims, Mohammed had always been 'messenger of allah'.

AntiChristian:
And you are the determiner of his lies? Didn't you lie to get here?

I have read Ibn Kathir's and Jelalyn’s tasfirs on surah 66 ayah 1-5, and both referenced different hadiths (sahih Bukari and Nissa respectively) to support their arguments. Of course 2 contradictory tafsirs cannot be correct simultaneously.

So both, or one of them, lied.

LordPherule:
I totally condemned the teaching... The Prophet (S.A.W.) can not teach such when in his lifetime. He taught us in the Holy book to be nice to humanity. The killing of 1 human being is equivalent to the killing of the whole human race.

Not all those scholars or sheikh should be taken serious, especially those from the Northern parts, they are bigots, and fanatics, lunatics indeed.

What crimes did the Christians and Jews commit against Muhammad before he commanded you to hate them?

Did he make attempt to make peace with them?

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih muslim 2167a

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: That the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: If I live - if Allah wills - I will expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula.
Jami at-tirmidhi 1606

Jabir bin ‘Abd Allah said that he was told by ‘Umar bin Al Khattab that he heard the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) say “I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from Arabia and I shall leave only Muslims in it.”
-Sunan Abi Dawud 3030

AntiChristian:
Follow up

Provide reference. Even Ibn kathir, although he also lies in many cases, will be considered.

advocatejare:
Well done brother. Yahweh will continue to bless you and use you to rescue them from darkness

Thanks bro! Hope you are doing well.

advocatejare:
Don't mind him, he was doing Taqiyya. It's quite a while True2god. How have you been

I have been very busy. I occasionally post here; I spent some of my time offline to bring Muslims to the true God, and Yahweh Akbar!, the results are awesome.

AntiChristian:
Torah is lost!

Who told you this; provide your islamic source for this claim.

advocatejare:
So Musa is no longer a Muslim like you always claim? Where is the Torah you believe in?

. Muslims claim ownership of Moses but don't want to claim his torah. So funny.

AntiChristian:
You should ask the people Musa was sent to. We believe in the Torah but we are not under its obligations!

Show me, from the quran, where allah said muslims are not under the obligation to obey/accept/follow the torah.

hakym619:
Those hadiths are weak. We hereby reject them. The beloved prophet (pbuh) always preached love.

Sharrap! Shutupp! Pushupp! Shattappp! The hadith listed are all 'SAHIH'. Mohammed ibn Abdullah was never peaceful.

advocatejare:
What crimes did the Christians and Jews commit against Muhammad before he commanded you to hate them?

Did he make attempt to make peace with them?


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih muslim 2167a


Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: That the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: If I live - if Allah wills - I will expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula.
Jami at-tirmidhi 1606

Jabir bin ‘Abd Allah said that he was told by ‘Umar bin Al Khattab that he heard the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) say “I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from Arabia and I shall leave only Muslims in it.”
-Sunan Abi Dawud 3030

MaxInDHouse:
With whom will you pray?
Well go praying with miscreants that never agreed with you on anything as usual!

Jesus' CURSE is on you people!

Hear the CURSE and find a way to cure yourself and your fellow faithless religionists now!

Jesus said you will never find any single person to fully agree with you on terms and conditions of worship! Luke 11:23

I have millions of people from different races throughout the earth with whom i share the same line of thought {John 17:20:23} we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Abeg mention the name of your church here you CURSED misinformed Churchgoer!

Pray for MaxInDHouse. He needs our prayers now. He is going insane gradually.

Pray for MaxInDHouse. He needs our prayers now.

Just got a permanent residence of Togo and I need advise on how to start a new life here. Anyone to help?

People born in the 90s won't know much about TB Joshua hence most people that defend TB Joshua are between the ages of 10-30 years. If you know the beginning of the synagogues between 1992-1998 you can never defend TB Joshua.