₦airaland Forum

SLAP44:
Then how can ineffective people in APC embezzle money if you remove power generation from their greedy paws?

This is the reason for backwardness. I think we need a revolution. NANS should wake up and mobilize students to force government to come with a new constitution. Labour should join. We have to take our destiny into our hands.

MuttleyLaff:
Lets cut to to the chase, shall we?

1/ So you personally believe the soul can never be destroyed hmm?
2/ So according to your understanding, you equate destruction of the soul to mean the torment it'll go through in Gehenna's fire, hmm?
3/ To your understanding, you place the soul having some semblance of existence, even after the soul, death and Gehena (i.e hell) are cast into the lake of fire, huh?
4/ Are you able to explain why Jesus used Gehenea together, with the word soul, when describing the soul has capable of being utterly destroyed, hmm?
5/ The soul, though is imperceptible to the touch, it doesnt mean it cant cry day and night, the soul will, just as you're able to cry day and night in your dreams, whether a nightmare or sweet dream. Dont you accept or agree to this, huh?

"For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay."
- Psalm 16:10

The soul of Jesus, not left in hell is king David's Psalm 16:10 prophecy being fulfilled. Everything written about Jesus, in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms were each and everyone fulfilled, and this one who raised, is one of them.

The best way to answer your question is to ask you which part of man will do the weeping and gnashing of teeth? First, the lost souls have a dead spirit. Now their body is also destroyed. So if the soul goes into none existence, which part of man does the weeping and gnashing of teeth.

If the soul goes into none existence, why was the beast and the false prophet thrown into the Lake of fire were still acknowledged to be there after 1,000 years they were thrown in. And the verse even says they will be tormented night and day forever and ever.

The English used in the Scripture is not ambiguous. Or interpret what for ever and ever means. And tell me why the souls of the false prophet and the beast survived over 1,000 years. I will quote the Scriptures again for benefit of doubt.

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be WEEPING and GNASHING of TEETH.

How can a soul that goes into none existence weep and gnash his teeth?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The everlasting fire here refers to the Lake of fire. And the verse says its everlasting. Do you need an everlasting fire to torment a soul that doesn't exist? Please be honest with your answer.

Matthew 13:49-50.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Another synonyms for Lake of fire furnace of fire. And Jesus repeated here that the wicked cast in will weep and gnash their teeth. How will they do that if they go into none existence?

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

After this incident Satan was bound for 1,000 years and Jesus ruled for that same number of years.. After the 1,000 years expired, he was loosed for a season and gathered great multitude to fight against God's people. Fire came down from God and destroyed all the armies and Satan was cast into the same Lake of fire. And the Scripture acknowledged that the beast and the false prophet are still there.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Scripture affirms the beast and the false prophet were still there when Satan was cast in.

I hope I have answered your question unless you want to deliberately deny the multiple evidences of the scriptures.

Maximus69:
So which one survived after Adam died, Soul or Spirit ?

Adam died spiritually when he sinned against God. So his spirit was dead. The soul passed on to eternity in accordance with God's reserved judgment.

Maximus69:
Are you saying Adam don't understand that he never existed before creation?
Or that he couldn't understand that his death will mean the exact opposite of his life?

Please are you using physics to answer the scriptures?

Because most physicists don't believe the Bible!

Psalms 146:4, Ecclesiastes 3:19-20, 9:5-10

So what survives death SOUL or SPIRIT?

For the child of God, both the spirit and soul is preserved. For the unbelievers, their spirit is already dead even before they died. So they are left with only their souls to suffer torment after death.

MuttleyLaff:
"And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."
- Matthew 10:28

Except for the soul part being immortal, every other thing you wrote is right.

The soul being destroyed in hell is the torment it will go through for life in hell fire. It does not mean it go into none existence. Otherwise what part of man will be crying day and night if they all go into none existence.

Even the Bible said that the soul of Jesus was not left in hell. His soul did not go into none existence.

Jozzy4:
If hell and death been thrown into the same lake of fire indicates that THey will no longer exist! You have already explained the meaning of lake of fire. Only inconsistency can get you saying some will not exist and some will exist, when all was said to be in the same Place. Whatever happens to all is uniform

Pride will destroy you. You read very well that they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. If this English is difficult to understand, then go back to primary school.

Jozzy4:
I never asked you this.

You said the beast is a certain human being , and this human went to Lake of fire while still alive, which means this person didn't die the Adamic Death . So my question is: Are you saying the Genesis account that said humans will die as a result of sin is a Lie ? Does this human not also inherit sin ? If this human never dies, do you accept they have everlasting life ? Is everlasting life a gift to wicked people ?

Death doesn't mean a cessation of existence. There are two types of deaths - spiritual death and physical death. Spiritual death doesn't mean you cease to exist but that you are cut off from the life of God. Physical death is being cut off from this physical world. Adam first died spiritually before he died physically but his souls still lives on whether in hell or in heaven.

The beast being thrown into the Lake of fire is a second death. He is cut off from the life of God and suffers eternal punishment.

Even the Bible says that she that lives in pleasure of sin is dead why she lives.

Why did Jesus told the man who wanted to first go and bury his father that he should let the dead bury their death. The people he called the dead were still living. But they are dead because they don't have a relationship with God.

Jozzy4:
again , u err , whatever applies to the city applies to the people, according to that bible verse, the CITIES also suffer the punishment of everlasting fire, everlasting fire =total destruction ?

Please go back to school and read English. You can't consent to a doctrine that has obvious contradictions in the Scripture. You don't select the ones that appears to agree with your opinions and throw the others away that are contrary to your beliefs. There are many more Scriptures that confirms that souls will be tormented day and night. You can't use just a few Scripture to nullify the evidences of others that are even more in numbers. Quote all the Scripture you know that says that the death will go into none existence and I will quote ten times more Scriptures that teaches otherwise. I feel sorry for your approach to Scripture interpretation.

Maximus69:
@bolded!

Please can you interpret what God meant when he told Adam 'dust you're and to dust you will return' Genesis 3:19

Are you saying God is not aware that Adam can't REALLY die? Genesis 3:4

So between God and Satan, Who is the LIAR? John 8:44

God communicated to them at that time at the level they could understand. The dust refers to the body of man.

It's just like in physics, at the junior class they tell you that light travels in a straight line. But when you get into advanced physics, you are taught that light could be diffracted.

Even in chemistry, you are initially told that atom is the smallest indivisible part of an element but as you progress, you learn that atoms contains protons, neutrons and electrons.

There are several other Scripture that reveals that man is tripartite in nature. You can't deny that unless you want me to quote the Scripture for you. You can't use just the account of Genesis to form a doctrine. It must harmonize with other Scriptures.

SLAP44:
When Engnr. Dave Umahi is involved in a project, expect that panel to power the whole Local government.

The guy is too much.

I thought electricity generation is under exclusive list? Or is it because it's a federal university? Please someone should educate me. As a matter of urgency, if we want to see Nigeria develop fast, they should remove power and security from exclusive list.

Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable. They may have ignored other provocations in the past but not when they have discovered an agenda of another tribe to forcefully take over their lands and make them eternal slaves. Under this circumstances, you will fight with your last blood. And the Yoruba states have a geographical location advantage as they share boundaries with the sea where ammunition can easily be imported. Let's give peace a chance.

Cultism can only stop when the leaders elected are none cultist. Some of them are empowered by wicked politicians for their selfish aim and it's really difficult to disarm them.

The other day, the cult groups in Riverstate came to sign a peace accord. That means the government knows them. There will only be peace when the righteous are in authority. Next time, vote wisely.

Jozzy4:
So an human being can live forever without dying ? ?

Tell me the whole Genesis Adam sin is an Hoax ?

Man is made in the image of God. And God does not die so the spirit of man also does not die. Only the physical body dies. The spirit and the soul of man is immortal.

Jozzy4:
Your knowledge is low, that applies to the physical cities as well, Read Genesis 19:28,29 and come back . so are the physical cities still burning forever ?

The physical cities don't have souls. They were utterly destroyed physically but the souls of those who were consumed by the fire are in hell.

Jozzy4:
Does been thrown into lake of fire now means No longer existing ?

Cc : maximus69

Yes for hell and death but no for the lost souls. Hell and death are confinement and not humans that has souls. Lost souls will burn forever. This is what Jesus taught repeatedly. Go and read the gospel again. I can give you over 20 references to confirm this truth. You don't argue with Scripture. It may not make sense to you but it is Scriptural.

Clevite:
In which Electoral Act or any other law did you read it that if PDP is declared to have won the election, the Party can replace Atiku with another candidate if he is proven not have the right to contest the election?

The law is if a party presents a candidate eventually found not to be qualified to have contested the election in the first place, both the party and the candidate will lose out even if the candidate had won the election. Victory will be given to the candidate of the other party that was a runner-up in the main election.

The most recent case in point is the Supreme Court's judgement of Monday this week. APC's Abdukadir Moddibo had won an election into the House of Representatives from Adamawa State. The election was challenged on the ground that he was not qualified to have contested. Moddibo was said to have failed to complete his NYSC. He was also allegedly to have falsified some credentials he had submitted to INEC. On these accounts the Election Tribunal nullified his election and ordered INEC to replace him with PDP's Jafar Suleiman who came second in the election.

APC appealed and argued that Mr Usman who came second in their primary election ought to have been made to replace the disqualified Moddibo. The reasoning was that the mandate belonged to APC which candidate won the election, not to PDP which candidate came second. Court of Appeal accepted the argument and ordered INEC to issue Cerficate of Return to Usman, runner-up in APC primary.

The Supreme Court faulted the Court of Appeal and upheld the Election Tribunal's judgment giving the mandate to PDP's candidate.

If the Presidential election was finally held to have been won by Atiku but he was found not to have been qualified to have contested the election on ground that he was not a citizen by birth. The existing law now is that the Court will not by reason of that give the mandate to the candidate that was second to him in PDP's primary, which is Tambuwal. The precedent presently is that the Court would order INEC to issue Certificate of Return to the candidate that secured the number of votes next to Atiku in the election. This is in case the Court do not declare a re-election based on substantial non-compliance.

That means both candidates will be disqualified. Because Buhari does not have a WAEC certificate. It was never included in the form he submitted. He said it was with the army and the army denied it. Then from no where, a certificate came with questionable authenticity. There are certain discrepancies compared with other certificates issued by WAEC. On the other hand, information we heard earlier says Atiku's parents were born in Nigeria and that makes him a citizen. I will just seat and watch the drama.

Maestro21:
If water is free why do companies like Eva and Dasani exist? Stop being a hypocrite. Produced bottle water is supposed to be sold. That I don't agree with using mediums does not mean I render anyone who does them fake. I simply pray they grow in the knowledge of the word and outgrow those mediums.



That is attributable to their own ignorance. Ignorance does not = false. Or else you too are false, because you are ignorant.



This one now is your own conjecture. If they are hosting a seated program and people have reserved seats, you cannot go there and tell them everyone must enter. That is just stupid. The other day in SA, people died due to poor crowd control in a church. Because of stupid advice like the one you have here.



This is your most ignorant statement till date. In fact, you are not a son of Pastor Chris to come up with this junk. Where did Prophet Joshua claim he came to save the world? Has he ever claimed he died for people's sins? Did he ever say the power was his and not God's? So anyone who names themselves Joshua is arrogating Jesus' power to themselves? Do you think Jesus was the first person to be called Jesus? Such ignorance.



Do they walk in the same level of power as him? lol. They don't. So they will never attract the same type of persecution. Nobody is dragging clout and money with them. Jeff Bezos has more money proving that having money does not equate God. But having power to heal the sick? Unstop deaf ears? Cause the lame to walk? Open blind eyes? Cast out devils? That is exclusively God's power. That is why Jesus said "woe unto you if all men speak well of you, for so will they treat the FALSE prophets".


This is both ridiculous and a demonic lie. You are quoting Paul Agomo who was established as a thief and liar trying to fleece the daughter of a rich man through marriage even when he was sent there to be her pastor. The same liar who claimed he bought wheel chairs and the same people he claimed he bought wheel chairs for have come to deny him. The other day, the prophet was in Korea with people having almost hundreds of wheel chairs. Who bought those ones? LOL



One day they will say he uses magic. Another day the miracles are staged managed. For more than 20 years now he has been stage managing miracles and all the countries he has been to nobody has been able to expose him. You are ignorant. Sorry to say.



Hahaha @ damage control. Anything the church says is damage control. But the one Bisola says is the truth. Who has more credibility? Who has more to lose?



You are injuriously ignorant. It is the person who is making the allegation that has the burden of proof. She should bring strong evidence not rubbish hearsay by reeling out names even I know and can quote. Besides, she remembers some of those details simply because she has been saying variations of the same lies over and over again.

I will ignore your statement about hell because you are ignorant and your posts here have shown it.

How much does Eva bottled water cost? He is a rogue that is taking advantage of people's ignorance. I have gotten people healed without any medium. I may not have hit lime light yet but I know God will do greater works through me freely than the fraudster you adore and worship.

Let's leave time to reveal every hidden truth. God is merciful. He gives people time to repent of their evils but when they don't, their sins will find them out.

And the blood of countless thousands that have died trying to get healing from T B Joshua will be upon his head. When real cases of disease comes, he avoids them. They will just ask them to lodge in his hotel and force them to buy so called anointed water before they are qualified to see him. Some spend hundreds of thousands both for lodging and buying of anointed water and still died. The cases are too numerous and my uncle's wife was a victim.

I repeat he is a master scammer. Some that even give testimonies that they got healed died a few weeks they were discharged.

My brother, your eyes are tied. I am not a sadist. I believe in miracles. I have seen captives set free miraculously before my eyes. And Jesus still does miracles. But that of T B Joshua is a scam. Take it or leave it. There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.

Samakus:
Abba Kyari, Chief of Staff to President Muhammadu Buhari on Tuesday told the Presidential Election Petition Tribunal that the presidential candidate of the PDP, Atiku Abubakar, in the Feb. 23 general election is a Cameroonian “flesh and blood’’.

Kyari, who was led through his deposition by Chief Wole Olanipekun, SAN, Counsel for the president, insisted that Jada, hometown of the former vice president was in Adamawa Province, an enclave that belonged to Northern Cameroon in 1946 when he (Atiku) was born.


He explained that Atiku was already born in 1946 before the plebiscite was conducted in 1961 to balcanize Nigeria and Cameroon where Jada which was part of Northern Cameroon voted to become Nigerian territory.

Kyari further said that the plebiscite also resulted in the Southern part of Cameroon officially aligning to becoming Cameroonian territory.

The witness, therefore, said the French system of assimilation had compelled people of Jada, including Abubakar’s father and grandfather to be full Cameroonians in “flesh and blood’’.


On the status of Buhari Certificate, Kyari said he had personally gone to collect the Cambridge University West Africa Examination Certificate of the president on July 18 for further proof.

“I can confirm that I was the one that collected and signed the Cambridge University West Africa Examination Certificate on behalf of the president on July 18, 2019,’’ he said.

Buhari and his party, the All Progressive Congress (APC) had urged the tribunal to dismiss PDP’s petition for fielding a non-Nigerian to contest the presidential election.


They submitted that the Constitution had foreclosed the participation of non-Nigerians in the County’s election.

They further argued that it did not matter if the provision was not tested when Atiku was selected to be the country’s vice president.

The president and APC had therefore invited the tribunal to do the needful by dismissing all the allegations made by the petitioners against Buhari’s victory.


The respondents further submitted that it was inappropriate for a non-Nigerian to contest or challenge outcome of the Feb.23 presidential election.

Also testifying was Retired Gen. Paul Tarfa, who said Buhari was he enlisted with Buhari into the Officer Cadre of the Nigerian Army on April 16, 1962.

Tarfa explained that English Language was the medium of instruction, adding that Buhari had achieved an enviable record during the military training.


He listed some of their colleagues to include Brigadier Ola Oni, Maj:-Gen. Durojaye, Col. J.C Ojukwu, Late Brigadier Shelleng as well as Late Maj:-Gen Musa Yar-Adua.

He said the conduct of the promotional examination in the military was always done in the merit, adding that Buhari had always come out in flying colour.

On his part, Malam Suleman Mai-adua, Buhari’s classmate in Katsina Provincial Secondary School in his evidence in chief, said, they graduated from the school with Cambridge University West African Examination Certificate in 1961.


The witness, who came to court with a group photograph of the class six of 1961 set and their principal, was able to spot himself and Buhari in the picture.

Earlier, the tribunal admitted a total of 26 documentary evidence from the president through his counsel, Olanipekun.

NAN listed the some of the exhibits to be 19 Certified True Copies of Newspaper publications.


The respondent also tendered the APC Roadmap to a new Nigeria as evidence.

The others are: Cambridge Assessment International Education Certificate for Muhammadu Buhari obtained in 1961 and Receipt of the above document.

The tribunal also admitted as evidence, a Certified-True-Copy of Confidential Result sheet of the University of Cambridge West Africa School Certificate 1961 for Katsina Provincial Secondary School showing names of candidate who attended sat for the examination.

Another set of evidence included the class six group photograph of Katsina Provincial Secondary School taken in 1961 and news publication of June 22, 2015 of the above photograph.

Also tendered and admitted was the Curriculum Vitae of the second respondent (Buhari) which was duly signed by him.

Furthermore, the tribunal admitted a commendation letter on Buhari signed by the Commandant of the U.S. Army War College delivered to Lt:- Gen. Alani Akinrinade (Rtd) in June 1980.

However, Dr Livy Uzoukwu, SAN, Counsel for the Petitioners objected to the admissibility of the all the materials but had reserved reasons to the address stage.

Justice Mohammed Garba, Chairman of the tribunal, thereafter adjourned proceedings until July 31 for continuation



https://dailypost.ng/2019/07/30/apc-vs-pdp-abba-kyari-makes-damning-revelations-atiku-tribunal/amp/

That doesn't stop the fact that PDP won the election. If it is proven he does not have the right to context, the victory goes to the party and they can replace him with another candidate. But he just said that as they can't defend the allegations that they rigged the election.

Jozzy4:
Will Grave and death suffer torment ? Rev 20:14

That word is not grave but hell. Hell and death will be destroyed. They are the spiritual prisons that held the lost souls. They will be utterly destroyed. They will no longer exist because they have fulfilled their purpose. The inmates are now in a bigger fire.

Jozzy4:
In short , Jesus is not the Savior of the world but only those of his time ?



You are highly inconsistent, According to the verse Even the cities are suffering the punishment of Everlasting fire, Is this a Lie ? So tell us how ?

Note: whatever applies to the city , applied to its inhabitants, don't separate.

This is simple English. It means the inhabitants of the cities around them who commit fornication. Those an inanimate object commit fornication?

It's just like when a news reporter says the order is from Aso Rock. It is not referring to any physical rock but the office of the presidency.

Jozzy4:
Which means this human called beast will never die but STAY FOREVER ALIVE ?

When did the gift of Everlasting life ( forever alive ) become something given to wrong doers ?

Yes he will stay alive in everlasting punishment. And Jesus said that several times.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 13:41 -42
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER.

These are just a few references from the many warnings given in the Scripture. It's left for you to believe or reject it. I didn't write them and there is no ambiguity in the interpretation. The English used is very clear.

Maestro21:
Actually you are the one is deluded to believe a lie. You have extolled people's testimony over the word and judged a matter before it's time. Scripture says you are not wise. If you find yourself in any heaven that does not have a man who encompasses such love, brother, forget it, you are in hell not heaven. Faith is the victory that overcomes the world and LOVE is greater than faith.

Before I leave, let me correct your false teaching. 2 Thess 2:11 is referring to post-rapture. After the church would have left the way for the son of perdition, the antichrist to fully manifest himself. Prophet TB Joshua will already be in heaven by then. Imagine if you started your own church and taught from 2 Thess 2:11. You would already be teaching errors yet judging another man for his own scriptural errors.

I laugh at you.

I judge him by the word of God long before these accusations started coming up

1. You call a man that packaged water that God provided freely for N5000 naira all in the name of miracles. Jesus said, freely you have received and freely give.

2. Most of the testimonies I hear the members give goes to the anointed water.

3. A Church you must be given a pass to enter is a cult.

4. A man who said he was sent to save the world is an anti Christ. That is why he gave himself the name Joshua which is also translated Jesus.

5. A man who is currently accused of multiple sex allegations is of questionable character. Why are they not accusing Adeboye or Oyedepo. Is his achievement bigger than these Pastors.

6. A man who separates wives of his Pastors and deny them access to have sex is from the devil.

He is completely evil. Don't be deceived by his gentle looks or stage managed miracles. The devil himself is not ugly.

All the damage control videos released by synagogue does not hold water. Bisola has explained how those videos came about.

If he is guiltless, let him take her to court. He has to clear his name. Gullible followers like you will end up in the pit of hell for calling evil good. The Nigeria government is more useless for not investigating this man who is holding many teenagers hostage and use them as sex slaves. You will soon here more allegations.

And coach Rohr did not give him a starting place initially if not for pressure. H did not even allow him to play his kind of ball. In the rest of the matches he played, he avoided dribbling which is strength. I believe couch Rohr told him not to dribble.

Great icons in football like Pele, Maradona and many others were all dribblers. Sometimes it helps to break through the opponents defence where normal passes fails.

Maestro21:
You don't need any research on him because you want to believe the story he is telling. When the same person was swearing on his life that Prophet TB Joshua was real, you said foul. Now that the very same mouth is saying what your itchy ears have given to, you say surely he must be saying the truth. That shows what you call truth is what you want believe is truth. Whereas truth is not relative.

What makes me cringe is the boldness in your words:"T B Joshua is an anti Christ and a chronic womanizer." A man you have never met in your life. Tell me, who is backing you? Did you womanize with him? How could you tell? Bisola and Agomo - the same people who had sworn for years that he was real? I don't think you are walking in love or wisdom.

Let me tell you something that is a fact. You will never achieve 1/10th of what Prophet Joshua has achieved in this life. Nobody from your lineage will. It is not a curse, I am quoting scripture. The very same power that works in him will work against you. And that is the power of the almighty God.

Jesus that you claim you believe in had the jews bring witness(ES) the bible says to make up one false claim or the other. False claim by brethren is the classic tool of the devil. I don't know how foolish you think satan is that he will wake up one drunkard from God-knows-where to conjure up false tails. No, he always uses people within the same camp to make the allegations look real. Because of this, scriptures warn us on how to tell fake from real and the answer is LOVE.

Do you think the Prophet does not have enough resources to mount a campaign in his own defence? Why do you think he keeps mum? It is because he knows that to maintain the fresh flow of the anointing that works in him he has to work in love. If he chooses to condescend and fight dirty he is declaring that God is not sufficient and he has to do it by himself. This power walking in him is to only glorify Jesus and liberate God's people and God only trusts this level of power on men who have died to self and live only to him. What do you think Paul meant when he said the love of christ constrains us?

I already knew you were heading the wrong way which was why I sought to correct you in time. You are not new, since 2005 on Nairaland many had gone down this path and there are only 2 ways they end; They repent or they perish. There is no middle ground.

If you truly believed your God, why are you fighting for him? Is it that he cannot see how false Prophet Joshua is? Or maybe..just maybe he is the one who actually sent Prophet Joshua and anybody who has made it his mission to fight the man, is unwittingly fighting against God?

I know which one I believe.

And as for your birds of the same feather line...hahaha. If God can use me just 1/15th of the way he has used the man, my life is accomplished. Now compare yourself to the people whose camp you have joined and see what your future is going to be. I can tell you for free, you won't go far.

Synagogue actually exist as part of God's will to judge those who reject the truth. The Scripture says in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

People who worship there are those who have rejected the truth and God is judging them. And T B Joshua himself will be judged. He is the scammer of the century. Keep defending him. Achievements that will cost his soul in hell is no achievement.

drinoayo:
The Inspector-General of Police (IGP), Mohammed Adamu, has said that the police will treat members of the Islamic Movement in Nigeria (IMN) as terrorists.

Adamu said this on Tuesday at the monthly conference with senior police officers in Abuja, Igbere TV reports.

A Federal High Court in Abuja had last Friday proscribed the group and directed the Federal Government to publish it in two national dailies.

Adamu said Shiites “will be treated like terrorists and enemies of state” and prosecuted under the Terrorism Act, including anyone associating with them in any way that could advance their activities in the country.

He added that “all forms of procession or protest by IMN is now illegal and thus banned”.

Source; http://igberetvnews.com/859761/igp-adamu-fumes-says-shiites-will-be-treated-like-terrorists/

And the fulani herdsmen will be treated as loyalist. God will judge you all.

Maximus69:
Your problem is the love of MONEY Sir! 1Timothy 6:9-10

If you're sincere with yourself, you won't say all the teachings of Church leaders in Nigeria are wrong NOT even a single one is OK for you to join them and start worshiping there and so you must start your own!

Are you saying all the Pastors you know in Nigeria are Fake?
Are you going to ordain Pastors?
Who ordained you as Pastor yourself?
What exactly are you bringing that's new apart from the common hellfire threat?

Well you can go and start yours jare! After all that's how many of them began and today we have lots of private jets owner's in Nigeria while their worshippers are wallowing in abject poverty!

I did not say all the teachings of Pastors who were before are wrong but I specifically said their knowledge of eschatology was not correctly presented in many ways. And I will open the eyes of the church to understand it better.

Maximus69:
OK you now agree that Christians knew better than all those who lived before Christ, but it's still the hellfire that's disturbing you. No problem gradually you will learn more from Jehovah's Witnesses just keep in touch!

As for the beast and false prophets, let me quickly give you the EXPO.

Beast means the world governments, the seven heads and ten horns means ALL PAST WORLD POWER FROM EGYPT TO ANGLO~AMERICA
This is the seventh time a human government gains power over the whole world but three times out of the seven times, two nations joined together to rule at the same time, that's the meaning of ten horns!
So while the beast has seven heads, three of its head has two horns when the rest have one each making ten in total.

The Fire simply means none existence, that's why the fire consumed both
¤Satan
¤Demons
¤False prophets
¤Death
¤Grave
¤Wicked people
Because all these will no more exist after God's judgement day, you can continue with your research but you can never get anything better than gathering wicked people who will be divided in faith due to RACISM and POLITICS, and you yourself will later get tired after there is no love found in all your effort as you'll later concentrate on making money out of their ignorance and crooked minds.
Thanks Sir!

What you wrote contradicts the Scripture. After the beast and the false prophet were thrown into the Lake of fire. Satan later joined them after over 1,000 years and the Bible acknowledged that the beast and the false prophet are still there at the time Satan was thrown in.

You want me to throw away the information in the Bible and accept yours. Is your authority greater than that of the Scripture?

Jozzy4:
I will attend to the more comprehensive response of yours , but the only thing I have to say here is: If The Beast REPRESENT something, what does Lake of fire represent ?

The Beast isn't real, is Lake of fire real or a representation ?

Like I said in an earlier post, when something is symbolic, the Bible will give more insight describing what that thing represents. The beast is pictured to have ten horns. And that ten horns represents the confederation of the ten states he will rule from.

But the Lake of fire is literal as those thrown into it suffered torments. In the gospel, Jesus called it a furnace of fire that is never quenched. It is an eternal fire.

Jozzy4:
Either revealed or not is not the matter here, but the vital fact that the Beast Was caught and thrown into lake of fire while still ALIVE .

1. So Lake of fire is on earth ? Unless u want to tell me he was transported there, which will mock the idea of body separating from soul through death before soul began the journey.

Here this person is alive as human yet thrown into lake of fire . , begs the question: is Lake of fire a place on earth ?


2) Does that mean this particular human will never taste death ? Automatic everlasting life ?

The Lake of fire is under the earth and the physical world and the spiritual world sometimes can be experienced at the same time. That was why John who wrote the book of Revelation was able to see things in the realm of the spirit even in his physical body.

This also explains why one can sit down and your spirit eyes are opened to see things others could not see.

The gate to hell is on the surface of the earth but it's not visible to the physical eyes. But when the time comes, those to thrown in will enter through one of the gates.

That they were thrown in physically is not the issue. Both their bodies and souls perish in the fire. The body will burn off but the soul will still be alive to suffer the torment.

Jozzy4:
The verse is a reference to the CITIES and those living in it . are u saying the cities are still burning with fire today ? That's only when u can make sense.

That aside, How can you claim Jesus came to save the sons and daughters of Adam if he can't save those who are.already condemned to everlasting hell in the first place WITHOUT JEsus dying for their sins ?

This would reveal if you are an enemy of Christ ransom or not.

Those who lived before Jesus came will be judged differently - by the law of their conscience. Those under the Law of Moses will be judged by the law. And those who live in our days will be judged by their response to the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

The city is burnt. But the souls of the inhabitants are still in torment. Even Jesus said the people of Sodom and Gomorrah will tolerate the punishment of hell more than the cities of his days.

Maximus69:
@bolded you need to understand something clear!

Jesus himself said 'i've not come to destroy the law or the prophets but to FULFIL them' Matthew 5:17 he added 'Mildtempered people will INHERIT the earth's Matthew 5:5 compared to Psalms 37:11 and Zephaniah 2:2-3

People will inherit this planet and as for wicked people, they will return to nonexistence! Psalms 9:17

Jesus taught so many things in illustrations{parables} so if you refuse to humble yourself and draw close to his REAL followers you will just go about quoting him out of context! Matthew 13:3, 13, 34, 35 compared to John 6:60-69

So don't rely on the common Hellfire threat that was fabricated by the same false Church leaders that you're now drawing away from! All their teachings is based on long time traditional teachings NOT thorough research which could help them get to the root of Biblical truths!

God had no intention of tormenting people, he hates people who torments others! Jeremiah 19:5
Jesus is God's only begotten son, he will not speak against his God and Father! John 20:17

John 3:16 is clear enough, those who failed to exercise faith in Christ WILL PERISH or BE DESTROYED
Adam and Eve are the first and foremost sinners, their punishment is DEATH as in NONEXISTENCE! So immediately at death, God deletes them and their evil from his memory! Romans 6:7 But as for those who do good, he keeps anticipating to bring them back to life again! Job 14:14-15
God is only kind enough to provide a means of escape for obedient descendants of Adam who will not follow their father's footsteps of DISOBEDIENCE!
God has nothing in mind for perpetual evildoers apart from returning them to nonexistence! Genesis 3:17:19

If the dead go into none existence, why did Jesus said they will weep and gnash their teeth day and night.

Why were the beast and false prophets thrown into the Lake of fire are still there after over 1,000 years.

Why was the rich man who died able to speak to Abraham and even remembered he had brother on earth.

Why is it that a few who actually died and came back could narrate where they saw themselves.

Why was Jonah able to cry out for help after he was swallowed by the fish if he went into none existence.

How was Jesus able to preach to the spirits in prison during the three days of his death?

Why did Apostle Paul said to die in Christ is gain if he will go into none existence. He said he will be with the lord?

Where the Jesus get the keys of hell and death from if he was none existence for the three days.

Please reexamine your lies for it clearly contradicts the Scripture. I think you need to visit a psychiatrist. May God help you all to come out of this brainwashing doctrines.

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