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Maximus69:
I thought you'll quote where the Bible say Salvation is what i need to enter God's Kingdom!

Well it's your Pastor's fault not yours.

You can never gain Salvation without first becoming a subject of God's Kingdom!
All the first century Christians were loyally submissive to the rules set by the Apostles because they know that these twelve are the foundation stones of that Kingdom!
It's ONLY when you're submissive to their {Apostle's} orders that the shepherd {Jesus} acknowledges you for Salvation!
For your information, that's why Zephaniah said seek righteousness, seek MEEEKNESS! Zephaniah 2:2-3

It seems there is no hope for you if you can't understand the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus. Romans 1:16 says that the gospel is the the power of God for salvation. When you receive the good news, you are saved and then and only then you can become part of God's kingdom. Please try and have a little sense. If you stick to your confused doctrine, you will end up in burning hell.

Blue3k2:
Source: https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/07/25/6000-illegal-miners-flood-osun-from-mali/

The mining is a cover up. They have been recruited to execute the Jihad when the time comes. Landlords should please help to report any strange faces in their yard to the police.

Supposing the police Oga from Abuja ask the police not to arrest them, what is he going to do? Our constitution was specially written to strip the federating states of power. They want to control everything from the center. Until that constitution goes down, we are headed for a state of anarchy and possibly full blown Civil War.

Maximus69:
What is the topic of Jesus' message, Salvation or God's Kingdom?

Well your Pastors are to blame because they focused on the finger when the teacher was pointing to the moon!

Of course Salvation is achievable but the means to Salvation must first be addressed which is God's Kingdom!

Note that Daniel mentioned it 2:44!

That's why Jehovah's Witnesses organization is the one and only group well organized throughout the globe! We know the TOPIC of Jesus' preaching and teaching which is the Kingdom of God {God's government} therefore all those who truthfully acknowledge God as King joins the organization wholesouled {John 17:20-23} whereas all of you are dragging issues with one another after missing the topic of message God's son brought! John 10:12

How can you be part of the kingdom of God when you are not saved?

Matthew 7: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven..

And what is the will of the Father?

John 3:15-18
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So, have you believed in Jesus? No Jesus, no salvation and no entrance into God's kingdom.

Maestro21:
The funny thing is, what you are using as your evidence against TB Joshua is the same thing Pastor Chris' detractors use against him. There is no way on earth that healing the seek in Jesus' name can be categorized as unfruitful works of darkness. Your theology is messed up. Satan cannot cast out satan. People also came out to give false testimonies about Jesus. So why will it be different in TB Joshua's case? If a minister has to serve under him for years before exposing him, that is the testimony I will not hurriedly believe. How long will a child of God be deceived? They have made allegations for years yet the whole of CAN and PFN could not bring him down. Maybe because God is backing him and not them. I hope this minister you are referring to is not Agomo? LOL



Bisola is not new. I have maintained here that her initial story had nothing to do with sexual assault. This sexual assault rubbish is recent. And she is unstable. Her stories are things anybody can decide to twist if they wanted to. She was not even close to him as she is claiming and has a well-known documented case of mental problems. These are established facts. What you are calling overwhelming evidence is conjecture. Flimsy even. If she is ready to defend her book in court she should go to the court first. We have heard worse before, time exposed all of them to be liars.



You are just hell-bent on believing her to the point you dismiss anything that throws her up in bad light but celebrate the rubbish she says. I hope you know there is only 1 synagogue church in Nigeria? I wonder why her testimony is true but John Ogu and Daniel Amokachi as we as other renowned ministers of the gospel who believe in him are liars.



So in your own way of reasoning, why did the MOG die if he was a real MOG? Abi.



How many people did Rev. Chris take to court when they called him such and even worse?



Yes I know. The same Tunde Bakare who prophesied OBJs death till date. He has been wrong. He was once addressed as a prophet but he has thrown that away because...his prophesies have been wrong consistently after getting Abacha's death correct.



Hope you know Ibiyeome criticises Pastor Chris to his congregation? Told them not to buy "power of the mind" when it came out and was even heard saying something about Pastor Chris' marriage. Yet, he copies Pastor Chris in ministration by trying to blow on people and what not. So is he fake?



I agree with this but it is not a Nigerian Pastors thing. Even the ones in US and all over are guilty of same.

T B Joshua is a scam. He will not survive it this time. He quickly closed his branch in Athens when the same allegation was brought up against the Pastor he sent there. Investigation was to be carried out on sexual assault on members there when he denied the branch was not opened by him. More is coming. Is not just about Bisola. Time will resolve this argument. I am a man of God and I can discern false prophets from genuine one. T B Joshua is a scammer of the century and he will go down. Mark my word. You can quote me later.

No wonder many Pastors are committing adultery and fornication and believe that their anointing and grace covers them. This is a lie from the pit of hell.

Otherwise Apostle Paul would not say, ' But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.' (1st Corinthians 9:27).

Revelation 20:14-15.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the SECOND DEATH.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

We will examine a few scripture to see if second death means complete in existence as thought by Jehovah Witness or if the fire is literal.

Revelation 19: 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE OF FIRE burning with BRIMSTONE.

Satan himself was cast into the Lake of fire after 1,000 years and the Bible says the beast and the false prophets are still there.

Revelation 20:10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

But JW teaches that second death means none existence. They claim the fire is not literal. But the Bible says they shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Janosky:
Sorry for yourself, Bro ....
Jehovah passed judgment on Adam as well as the wicked world of Noah's day , King Herod,Sennacherib, Goliath and Pharoah and also Sodom and Gomorrah.
Those ones can NEVER taste life, their case judged and closed kpatakpata !
You don't seem to know the Jesus you claim to follow....
How can a man claim to know the signpost of his future, when he's blissfully ignorant of his past...

Are you saved? Do you believe in Jesus? Have you received him as your Lord and personal Saviour? That is all that matters now. Where is your destiny? Please answer these questions.

Maximus69:
From Genesis to Revelations the mention of Adam and Eve continued to ring because they're the ones who directly rejected God's ridership, that's why the message of how God's ridership {God's government} will be restored is very important! Daniel 2:44

Jesus did not preach about Salvation Sir, his main message is about God's Kingdom! Matthew 6:10, 10:15, 12:28, 21:31,43, Mark 1:15, 4:26, 9:47

It's only those who gets the sense of God's Kingdom that can be SAVED { Luke 18:16,22:16} otherwise there is NO WAY for you to have SALVATION!

So go and collect all the money you've given your Pastors back from them because they taught you nothing beneficial and that means you're doomed!

Jesus did not preach about salvation? I can't believe you said that. You must be on high drugs. Then tell me what the following scripture means to you.

Matthew 1: 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall SAVE his people from their sins. Notice the phrase - He shall save his people. Or what does your corrupted Version says?

Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to SAVE that which was LOST.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be SAVED; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to SAVE them. And they went to another village

Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be SAVED.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to SAVE the world.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be SAVED.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be SAVED and thy house.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto SALVATION to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS; of whom I am CHIEF.

Please don't digress. Tell me after reading these Scriptures that Jesus did not come to save us. Otherwise, take each scripture one by one and explain what they mean.

Maestro21:
I am telling you that prior to that, other ministers had invited him to their churches. He did not go. The same Pastor Chris has honored invitations from white garment church before. This same man said when he wanted to reach out to some foreign ministers in the past, God told him no when he asked so he stayed put. If there is anything anybody who has been under Pastor Chris for long, you will know he does nothing except he hears from God. In his own words, it was not TB Joshua those CAN and PFN people hated. It was Rev. Chris himself. They used TB Joshua as a cover. Synagogue was a member of CAN and they were receiving donations from him prior only to turn around to act like he was not a member just so they could accuse Pastor Chris of fraternizing with him.

I am someone who did my research. In fact when PFN did their crusade in 2003 and invited Pastor Benny Hinn then, someone I spoke to said the same PFN came to ask for his help because they were not pulling the crowd they wanted. He told them "Pastor Benny Hinn is not supposed to be in Nigeria by this time". If you knew about that meeting, it was a huge flop. They even stole Pastor Benny's 4million USD. They wanted to bring Pastor Benny to spite Pastor Chris then. I don't want to talk too much on this issue. But just free that curiosity story. Pastor Chris (and by extension CEC) has a coat of many colors. And like Joseph, he needed to go through false accusations to achieve the dream God set before him. Even the Pastor Bakare you quoted in your other post was saying God showed him a vision of Pastor Chris collecting money to endorse TB Joshua. Has time not proven him to be a liar?

What is important now is for everyone to know God personally and be careful not to be deceived by any false teacher or prophet. I can only talk about the one I am certain is not of God because of evidences at my disposal. T B Joshua is not of God.

Pastor Chris I know is God sent but if there are things he does outside God's word, only God will be the judge. He has raised many ministers that are impacting lives with the gospel. This is all I can say.

Thisis2raw:
My question is, whats Pres Buhari actually doing about this Herdmen menace?

You see them as menace but he sees them as his boys doing his bidding. We are such fools that we could not discern what he stands for in his first four years. Just enjoy the change. If we survive this Jihad coming, we will have sense some other time.

Truthchiz:
Do you know that it was after that visitation the people started accepting TBJ as Man of God? Do you know PC presented him as such? Is it not PC's member that has been defending both of them here? Do you know that MOGs like Pastors Adeboye and oyedepo still do not accepte TBJ as one of them? Look, both pC and TBJ are very much in the same WhatsApp group. He will not go there openly because of what people will say not that he is regretting it. They are one and the same. You think some of the things you listed above about SCOAN do not happen in CE. My brother leave talk oh

There are marked differences between Pastor Chris and T B Joshua.

1. Pastor Chris does not use any healing medium. I remember he sent an handkerchief once to a healing school when he could not attend. And those who touched it were miraculously healed. But he did not make a doctrine out of it.
2. You can walk into any Christ Embassy church without any restriction but you can't do that in synagogue.

Maestro21:
I have read your submission and although I dont want to hold briefs for him, I can tell you are misled by hearsay more than the word. For e.g, you spoke about merchandise and what not. Well, Living Faith and a host of other ministries sell anointed oils as well. Are they also fake? Doctrinal error is not sufficient ground to render someone false. Revelation is progressive. If you have been under Pastor Chris long enough you should know that.

You say he made his members idolize the water? That is not true or else we should also say that Winners chapel have done same. The fact of the matter is, there is a lot of ignorance in the body of Christ but the intentions are what we should judge by the word. He prayed for the bottled water and sold the bottled water, you don't agree with it but it does not make him false. People hold that water and act their faith and it works, at the end of the day, God is glorified. There is a good, acceptable and perfect will of God. Because you know the perfect does not make the good, bad. Paul disagreed with Peter and James but he never called them false.

I don't know anything about auditorium and finances. I know people who are not financially buoyant who visited the auditorium without any financial anything.

You have never heard one sound doctrine from him? So he does not preach Jesus as the Christ? Resurrection from the dead? Water baptism? Hell and Heaven? Laying on of hands? Come on.

You do know that most of the people who died in the collapse were not necessarily members? They were construction workers? You do know in Jesus' day the temple of God collapsed and killed people and Jesus said it was not because the people who perished were evil? You do know many top men in both RCCG and Winners have died mysteriously. A pastor in Salvation ministry collapsed and died on the alter etc. So are these pastors fake too since God did not tell them what will happen? How did some of them come out to prophesy rubbish about the elections only to be disgracefully wrong?

All that countless others talk is figment. It is obviously a lie that nobody can back. It is the same lie they even tell about Pastor Chris. Have you not seen them pop up every now and then to say he paid them money to fake being sick? So those one's are true too since someone somewhere said it? Be real.

I don't know what announcing donations have to do? If they dont announce people will say they don't do anything. If they announce, you say they are fake because of it. Please pick a lane.

You have never heard him make an altar call? That is a lie. I can refute that one completely. I have seen him do so..not once..twice or even 5 times. See, I sensed you were just regurgitating what you had heard somewhere and you have confirmed it. Imagine getting something that can be verified wrong, what about the others?

LOOOL. I laughed hard at Bisola. She makes the most incredulous arguments I ever saw. She is obviously mentally unstable and clout chasing. Are you kidding me? When she had said stories about TB Joshua since..she never said anything about sex scandal. Then all of a sudden, Timi's wife says something and Bisola comes out to claim the same thing. Hahaha. For years she had made claims and not once did she mention sex until recently and that does not make you laugh?

So going by your line of argument why is she selling a book? Why try to monetize her truth? I wonder how Prophet Joshua is fake for selling things but Bisola is real for doing same? You seem excited by these fake inconsistent stories. I told you, just merely listening to her I can poke 10000 holes in her stories. TB Joshua gave someone $3000 then later same him did not know the same person got $3000. In 2001 it was TB Joshua they said was giving Pastor Chris money. Now Bisola said it was Pastor Chris that was giving him money. Abi? That is the story that you are using as your defence.

Forget angel of light and satan. The people who are not angel of devils and hate TB Joshua should first walk in the power he walks in so we can even start taking them seriously. You cannot be less than someone in everything and turn around to say they are false. It is jealousy pure and simple.

There are three categories of ministers. First, those who are called and abide in their calling in all honesty and truth. The second are those who are called but lack the right knowledge of God's word that makes them fall into errors. Third, those who made themselves ministers but God did not call them.

Please, I know I haven't achieved much in ministry to get the public attention but I know the truth and I know where I am going to. Ephesians 5:11 says we should not fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness but rather we should expose them. T B Joshua falls in the last category. His time of deceit is over and he will not survive this one. I am not envious of him. I believe in miracles but all miracles are not from God. Bisola is not the only one who has come to expose the evil done by him. Another minister who served him for years came up with the same allegation. A third one from Athens also accused the Pastor in charge of that branch of sexual assault. When she brought the case to T B Joshua, he swept it under the carpet to confirm that is what they all do.

As for Bisola, she had released an earlier video several years ago accusing T B of sexual assault. She didn't start it because of the rape case against Pastor Biodun. She has actually written that book before now but was seeking for financial support to publish it. Her accusations should not be taken lightly because several teenagers are trapped in there. He should be investigated and Bisola said she is ready to defend her book in court. The details she supplied are just too overwhelming to conclude it is the work of a mentally unstable person. If a mentally unstable person could put those work together, then she deserves to be in the Guiness book of world record. But I know she is in her right senses. I have listened to several videos she uploaded and it does not depict someone who is mentally unstable.

The video uploaded by synagogue to confirm she is mental issue was done when her first attempt to live synagogue failed. T B Joshua dared her to live by drawing a line. She did but she wondered about Lagos for three days until she returned to Synagogue. At that time, she was bewitched and was made to make that Confession before she could be accepted back.

To cut the story short, it was a man of God whose number she got from her mother that stood in the gap for her for months before she finally could live. Unfortunately, the man of God died five days later after she left.

When someone calls you a thief and you know that you are not, you must clear your name. T B Joshua should take her to court if the allegations are false. Otherwise, everything she said is assumed to be true.

Oyedepo and his likes who idolize anointing oil fall into the second category. They are called but lack the right knowledge of God's word. He teaches very well on many areas but got it wrong on the use of anointing oil. You should remember that Pastor Tunde Bakare tore one of his book on telecast where he said that the anointing oil is the Holy Spirit in a bottle.

Olukoya of mountain of fire is also in grave errors.

Ibiyeome of salvation Ministries also err in the area of taking vengeance.

Nigeria Pastors need to go back, take a break and read their Bibles again. So many don't even know the days we are living in. Most just preach and teach what the people want to hear to get the crowd. But God will judge anyone who handles his word deceitfuly.

Maestro21:
Listen to an old message called Truth on Trial. It will show that you are not only wrong..but you are misled..seriously. You say you know Pastor Chris well..yet you think he will stand up and go anywhere that God did not ask him to. Even when the TBNs of this world were asking him to come for Telethon, he always gave them money but never went there. So what will he gain by going with his flesh to TB Joshua?

I don't know. Perhaps out of curiosity. Nobody is perfect in terms of discerning God's will.

Maximus69:
That's what you should have said long before now, instead of scrambling around to fabricate what you can not explain with the scriptures!

Please what exactly did they do or how exactly did they plead for forgiveness or how did they show remorse for their intentional disobedience?

If the sin Adam and Eve committed were atoned for before they gave birth to children, then how come their children still inherited the sin that's been cleansed {atoned for}? Genesis 3:16-19, Romans 3:23

God's word said it's after his kingdom is established here on earth that all the woes associated with Adamic sin will be gone for good! Psalms 49:7-10, Daniel 2:44, Isaiah 65:24

And Jesus admonished all faithful people to keep praying for God's kingdom because it's the only solution to all our problems! Matthew 6:9-10 Revelations 21:3-4

But you're saying that God has atoned for the sin committed by Adam and Eve, yet their progenies still inherited what has been atoned for! Romans 5:12

You should know that you're empty regarding sacred issues like this Sir!

So when next you see Jehovah's Witnesses been accused of heresy, try to listen attentively, investigate thoroughly and humbly asked for efficacious and convincing explanations before diving in the matter that's far above your understanding, instead of jumping in only to start arguing blindly! 1Timothy 6:4

What really concerns you with where Adam and Eve will end up? You should be more concerned about your salvation. If you are not born again, you will end up in hell. Give your life to Jesus if you haven't done so. This is all that matters.

Maximus69:
This is the stupidest comment ever if you can't discern the outcome of what will happen to Adam and Eve!

You come on a public forum to utter such profound statement yet you can't explain what are the criteria of Salvation except foolishly asserting the belief in Jesus when you don't even know what it really means to believe in Jesus!

People like you are just hypocritically envious of pure worship but lacks the knowledge to back up your hatred for the truth! Romans 10:2-3

Imagine after uttering this gibberish and been scrutinized to see how far you know about Salvation you stupidly say 'Keep your opinion'.

So what made you come publicly with your own useless personal opinion in the first place when you don't want to hear other people's opinion?

No one is given the ministry to discern where a specific person will end up in. We preach the gospel in generic terms. Those who believe in Jesus and walk in the light of God’s word will be saved and those who don't believe will be damned.

Concerning those who lived before Jesus came, it is God alone that searches the heart that can pass judgment. You don't have the moral right to pass judgment on anyone. You have to be concerned about your salvation and helping others to find salvation.

Concerning the Jehovah Witness organization, I reaffirm my stand that they are wolves in sheep's clothing. They are the most dishonest sect I have ever seen and they refute every truth the Bible teaches. They are anti Christ. They are preparing souls for the very hell they don't believe exist. And so many are in hell because of their false doctrines. I feel very sorry for those that have been brainwashed by their doctrines. If you are one of them, I am so sorry for you because you are completely lost unless you embrace the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

This is the last days. More weird things will happen. Just be careful where you choose to serve your God.

Truthchiz:
my brother, hmmmm life is deep. What you don't know is bigger than you. Let's forget this issue.

I know more than what you think. Pastor Chris didn't go there on his own. He was invited. He wanted to use him to score a point. That visitation shook the ministry for a while and it is never going to happen again.

The best thing that can happen to anyone is to focus on your studies and serve God with undivided attention. Give your life to Jesus. It is a higher life. It brings peace and joy. Only get into relationship when you are ready for marriage. And not with play boys who are not ready to settle down.

It's like Satan has moved his headquarter to east and southern Africa states. The church needs to target those regions for life changing Crusades.

Truthchiz:
so you are saying TBJ is fake then PC is real? Really?? But they both ministered to one man then at the same time. How can light and darkness work together? Is there any relationship between God and the devil?

That was the only time they did that. He never went back there. And I know he will never do it again. That visit was a mistake in my opinion.

Maestro21:
I know you mean well, but there is nothing like "resembles". Get close to people who walk in that level of power and you will see that they only move as the spirit leads. It is the fake people who rehearse movements and try to copy the ones who actually walk in the power. I have spoken to people who knew Rev Chris in 1994 when he still kept a moustache. They told me the demonstrations were the same only the degree of power changed. When Rev Chris started blowing on people, he said exactly what God told him and he is known for it today. In fact, I can say almost anyone else in Nigeria you see blowing air is copying him. So was he copying Jesus as we see Jesus did so too? Even if that was the case, it is fine enough, but he specifically said the Holy Spirit told him to do it. That is not the same thing the Holy Spirit told Mr. A or B.

I remember when people said Rev Chris was also copying Benny Hinn. That was back then. Today, even Benny Hinn is astounded at the way God uses Rev Chris in a different way. To people who are not initiated, they look the same, yet to Pastor Benny himself, he knows the nuances. Stop joining issues with these people who don't know what power is so they criticize everyone who has it so they can explain away their own powerlessness.

As for TB Joshua, judge him by the word. He never responds to critics. Never insults other MOG on his pulpit or otherwise. He is very humble and a dangerous giver. What more do I need to know? That Bisola woman was confused. Her stories are easy to spot if one simply decides to be unbiased. In one part, Rev Chris is giving TB Joshua money and Joshua is introducing him to magical powers. In another breath, the same magician Joshua is afraid of Rev Chris' blood money? LOL

Or is it the part about TB Joshua not being able to maintain an S. Class or being money hungry? So she was feeding him the prophecies he gave including the ones where he is seen describing football matches days before they occur? Come on!

As for the lies about him telling people not to take drugs after he has prayed for them or refusing them to get tested. I am a living testimony that that is a big fat lie. I know a woman who worked for the Central Public Health lab in Yaba who said people usually came to do HIV tests before and after TB Joshua prayed for them. In her own words, some of them came back and tested negative and some others did not.

Look up John Ogu, the Nigerian football player. He was having injuries in his early days as a footballer. One such injury was to end his career. His father took him to TB Joshua, and after he prayed for him, John Ogu fully recovered and had an extended career. Don't let these unbelievers mislead you.

My submission on TB Joshua is that he is not a man of God even long before Bisola released those videos. Pastor Chris is called and I have been under his ministry for years.

Let me just a few point about T B Joshua that disqualifies him as a servant of God.

1. He makes merchandise of people in the name of performing miracles through the sale of his anointed water. Miracles are not for sale. Jesus said, freely you have received, freely give.

2. He has made his members to idolize the use of anointed water and in most cases give glory to the anointed water for the miracles they receive.

3. You are not allowed access to his worship auditorium without a pass. And the pass is connected to your financial involvement and tithing over time. This is not church.

4. I have never heard one sound doctrine from him ever since I knew him.

5. The collapse of his building also cast some suspicion on his genuinety as a Prophet who sees what is about to happen in different places around the world but he never saw what was coming to him in his own house. The building collapse is the first warning for people to know who he is.

6. There are countless hundreds that have died seeking miracles from him. Some were certified healed only to die few weeks after they left synagogue.

7. A genuine servant of God will not announce donations to the public. This is what Jesus taught.

8. I have never heard him make altar call for people to come and receive salvation.

I can go on and on. He is not a servant of God and the recent sex scandal just confirmed my original position.

Bisola said she is ready to go to court to defend her allegations. All synagogue did was to post an old Confession she made long before the said scandal. And Bisola has explained what happened that day. It was her first attempt to leave synagogue but she found herself back. They had to force her to make the Confession before she could be admitted back.

The details contained in her book and video are overwhelming that anyone who tries to sweep it under the carpet is grossly dishonest.

Another lady has exposed the same thing going on in Athens. She traveled to Nigeria to report it to T B Joshua only to hear him say that as long as it happened in the church, she should just go back and be committed.

What more do we need to say about T B Joshua. The Bible says ministers of Satan disguise as angels of light.

Maximus69:
That is where you failed woefully Sir!
It's only those who inherited sin who can't control themselves over sinful tendencies they inherited but as for perfect humans they have no excuse for willfully disobeying simple order!

God only gave them just one rule, so their judgement is not far fetched Sir, Adam and Eve have been destroyed completely NEVER to live again! ;

So don't delude yourself, they never repented that's why God never spoke to them again after the incident that occurred in Eden! )

Their sins was atoned for by God himself. They received a covering by the animal that was killed. He used the skin to cover their unclothedness. It's only angels that have no forgiveness of sin. You can however keep your opinion.

OLAADEGBU:
Going by what Truthchiz said, he didn't say pastor Chris was not ministering healing before he had an encounter with Joshua he said that the began to be known for his healing school after Joshua, you should notice the change in his healing ministry as he started demonstrating as Joshua did when ministering healing. Listen to 13:11 mins. of the videoclip in the OP to learn of what Joshua did to Chris and there are videoclips confirming pastor Chris doing what the lady said about him.

I still don't agree even though his healing method in some cases resembles that of T B Joshua. To every fake, there is always an original. Pastor Chris had affirmed it was not after the visitation he started ministering that way. Pastor Chris healing anointing is genuine. I have seen people miraculously healed in his Crusades. As for TB Joshua, I have doubt about his genuineness in the healing ministry.

Maximus69:
Shuooo!

Is this coming from a reasonable Bible reader or a pagan?
No wonder they're just been thrown about like the basketball!

God doesn't preempt his decisions on every single person that lived on earth, yet he declared "whosoever believe in my son will NOT perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16
Jesus even went on to say "those who disbelieve in the son are ALREADY judged"! John 3:18
And Paul listed the names of the ones whose life makes God's heart glad each time he remembers them! Hebrews 11:4-12:1

Please why are you here on the religious section, ARGUING as if you know anything relating to Salvation?
How can you convince a person to embrace Christianity if you can't figure out the bases of God's judgment?
What exactly are you doing with the name of Jesus, if you can't provide adequate explanation regarding God's judgement?
Well praise the Lord, Halleluyah!

You are the one who misunderstood my submission. The fact that I made an error doesn't mean I will end up in hell. Do you know if I repented before I died. That is what I meant. Off course there are those whose eternal destiny is settled. For instance, those who completely reject the gospel of our Lord Jesus. I hope I am well understood. That Adam committed sin doesn't mean he will end up in hell. What if he had repented. The Bible is in summary and does not give every single details about each person. You will be surprised to see those the world has written off in heaven while those we think are saints will end up in hell.

Wisdomkosi:
Killings: Defend Yourselves From Herdsmen, No Tribe Is Superior – Ex-Minister Tells Yorubas

Former Minister of Aviation, Femi Fani-Kayode has told the Yorubas to defend themselves against attack from the rampaging Fulani Herdsmen, Igbere TV reports.


Kayode said this in Akure when he paid a condolence visit to the leader of Afenifere, Chief Reuben Fasoranti, over the death of his daughter, Mrs. Funke Olakunrin.

He said Yoruba people should be law-abiding and maintain peace but not at the expense of killings by the rampaging herdsmen.

According to him, “Our people are being killed every day in every state of the South West. We now live under the threat of Fulani herdsmen. This is too bad. No region or tribe is superior to the other in Nigeria. We are all equal and we should be treated equally.”

The Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, chieftain said there was the need for the Federal government to be alive to its responsibility of protecting the lives of all Nigerians.

He added, “Something strong and drastic should be done to curtail insecurity in the country. We are beyond the era of rhetoric now. We must do something to secure the lives of our people and the entire Yoruba nation must be secured irrespective of our political affiliation.

“We as leaders will continue to encourage our people to allow peace to reign in the South West and the country at large. The anger is high but we will continue to preach peace to the people. We want peace, unity, and love in Nigeria but not at the expense of killing our people. We are restraining our people from violence but we should not be pushed to the wall.

“We want peace and unity in Nigeria, but we don’t want peace at the expense of the lives of innocent people. Therefore, the government must rise to the occasion and fight insecurity in the interest of peace and the continuous existence of our nation. We are fed up with killings in the South Western Nigeria. We must be able to protect our people if the government that is saddled with the responsibility to protect us fails to protect us.

“I was at the residence of Pa Fasoranti when the governors of the South West told him their position against normadism in the South West. But, the hands of these governors are tied.

“I doubt if they will have the courage to say that to President Buhari, because throughout their meeting in Akure, they did not mention Fulani herdsmen as the ones terrorising our people.”

http://igberetvnews.com/841224/killings-defend-yourselves-from-herdsmen-no-tribe-is-superior-ex-minister-tells-yorubas/

It's like Fani Kayode does not understand what has been going on. If you want to defend yourself against herdsmen, you should also be ready to face the soldiers. When the Fulanis attack, no military intervention but when you attack, they show up and even arrest you.

T B Joshua couldn't have initiated Pastor Chris. Pastor Chris has long been in the healing ministry before the visit.

Dorischuks:
Ikhide Ikheloa, popularly known as Pa Ikhide, has criticized Africans for still believing in the Bible and the 'White man's God.

The literary critic said the Bible "is a great work of fiction" and "a tool of oppression created by feuding brothers to oppress women, children, and the vulnerable."

He wrote on Facebook:



"Unpopular opinion: The bible is a great work of fiction, a tool of oppression created by feuding brothers to oppress women, children and the vulnerable. It is homophobic and racist and to the extent that white slave hunters prayed over captured warriors from West Africa with the bible before they were shipped off to be slaves, it boggles my mind that an African would look at that bible and not hiss in disgust. Their God looked away during the middle passage as millions of Africans perished during the slave trade. We had our own religion before the coming of the white man. What is wrong with us? We are our own slaves. Onugo of my people lives in me.

"Open your eyes. Nonsense.

"Good morning."



Read more here https://thickmatch.com/literary-critic-ikhide-ikheloa-criticizes-africans-still-believe-bible/

Christianity is not another religion. It is God reaching out to mankind through Jesus Christ.
Let me give us facts about the Bible that separates it from every other book on earth.

1. Its the only book that clearly describes how the earth was created.
2. It is the only book whose prophecies are being fulfilled before our very eyes.
3. It's the only book that reveals the origin of the rainbow.
4. It's the only book that vividly describes the eternal destiny of man.
5. It's the only book that predicts the successive kingdom of the world. And there is one more kingdom which will take place after the rapture.
6. It's the only book that reveals the true nature and character of God.
7. It's the only book that describes the total nature of man - spirit, soul and body.
8. It's the only book that unveils the mighty works of God in different dispensation.
9. It's the only book that clearly predicts the events of the future. The reign of the anti Christ and his final defeat.
10. It's the only book that reveals to us how mankind will be judged.
11. It's the only book that reveals there is hell and heaven which the optical eyes cannot see.
12. It's the only book that makes us understand that some sickness are caused by demons.
14. It's the only book that tells you what you must do to be saved.
15. It's the only book that has changed hopeless situations of countless thousands of people who put their trust in God.
16. It's the only book that gives you assurance of salvation. Mohammed did not give his followers assurance of salvation. He was not even sure of his own destiny.
17. It is the only book that you can use to predict how long man has been on earth through records of genealogies.
18. It's the only book that gives you hope in your trying moments.
19. It's the only book that Kings and evil men have tried to destroy to keep it out of circulation.
20. It's the only book that teaches you how to fight your spiritual battles and come out victorious.

And one unscrupulous fellow calls the Bible a fiction. I think he should visit the psychiatrist.

I repeat again, the presence of Christian is what is restraining the full manifestations of the works of darkness. The world will be in a chaotic situation after the rapture.

This is what Fela called suffering and smiling. How long are we going to tolerate incompetence?

TATIME:
Walahi Talahi this one supposed to be in the headlines of one of the world class magazines!
So this one thinks the judgment of what Adam and Eve did in the garden of Eden is just for them to be driven out of garden!

Why then are you saying God will torment people forever if they refuse to accept Jesus?
Will God also burn nice Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Aborigines in your hell fire?
If you're not certain of what will happen to Adam and Eve, what makes you certain of other people's destiny so that you're arguing here about religion?

Abeg all these people are just brain damaged novices who only feel like saying something when others are taking, they are completely empty headed!

There are certain ways people live their lives, you can predict where they are likely to end up And this is with an assumption that they never repented before they died. No one can just come and say Adam and Eve will go to hell or heaven. It is God who searches the innermost thought of our hearts that can judge. No wonder Jesus told the religious leaders of his days that even prostitutes will enter into God's kingdom before then.

Mat 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Only stupid person will just conclude the destination of people. Look at the thief that was crucified on calvary with Jesus. He made it just by a simple request.

But in the dispensation we are living in, anyone who reject the gospel of our Lord Jesus will end up in hell. And any one who claims to be a Christian and live an ungodly life without repenting will go to hell. No Muslim or Buddhist or Jehovah witness will make it to heaven. These are obvious cases we can conclude on.
Jesus is the only way to God.

LordReed:
This is how you know people who get their history from Hollywood movies.

Believe it or not, Christians are the light of the world. Without us, the world will be in total darkness with all manners of evil and social vices.