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Jozzy4:
Are still where , you mean the same lake of fire that hell and death are ... Non existence ?

Please visit a psychiatrist. Because it is written in the Scripture which you know. If you reject the evidence of the Scripture, then you are hopeless.

Jozzy4:
According to Jesus BOTH SOUL and BODY are destroyed ! Matthew 10:28

Are u saying Soul will burn off like body too leading to non existence ?

Don't forget the same criteria for body apply to soul



Angels don't eat. Does God eat ?

They are Spirit like God. John 4:24



Teeth is a bone, if your theory is right ... Spirit will not gnash teeth !

If I keep on explaining, you will ask more questions because you are not ready to hear anything different from what you have been taught. Besides as humans, we do not know everything but we take that which have been revealed to us even if it does not appeal to the senses. There are several Scriptures that points to eternal torment of lost souls. So you can not use just one scripture to nullify the others which are more in numbers. So if you don't want to believe the evidences of the scriptures pointing to eternal torment of souls, I really can't help you understand better. Please, I give up on you. After even when Jesus was on earth, not every one believed him. Even his own people rejected him. Only the humble will see the truth as revealed and accept it. The proud man always wants to insist he is right even when there are evidences against his school of taught. Even if I quote up to ten, even twenty Scriptures affirming the eternal punishment of lost souls, you will still not believe. Rather, you will want to use just a few other Scriptures to reject the truth. I am so sorry I will not entertain any further questions or engage in any form of discussion with you. You have only one life to live, read the Bible with open mind and you will find the truth that will make you free.

Omudia11:
I now know that you have a comprehension problem. I said that it is alleged that he sleeps with his members. I am not telling you for a fact that he does so.

If you think there are no rumors of PC sleeping with his members and choristers then you're living in denial.

Please worry about your PC whose members approached my late grand uncle to stage a miracle. Read about all the stage managed miracles in SA too.

Also, why do you need to fulfill a financial obligation of N1,000 before attending the cross over service in the main auditorium?

Pot calling kettle black.

T B Joshua has killed more people than even the herdsmen and Boko Haram put together. He will surely be judged.

Omudia11:
What is your problem? I just told you I've worshipped in that church over ten times and was given a pass every single time without having to fulfill any financial obligations whatsoever. So what exactly is your point?

You are a liar. Pass is not given until you make a commitment. You have to buy a material or be a tither.

Maximus69:
So my honourable learned professor TruthinAction, all protocols duly observed Sir!

Are you a member of the same religious organization as those you're trying to reprove?

Because, dem no born Paul well make him try go face the religious titles chiefs of the first century to say him wan correct them o!

Peter that he corrected was a member belonging to the same religious group as himself, that's why Peter couldn't refute such reproof.

And if you're out to correct anything that's wrong in the religious setting around you, there must be a GROUP that knows and agreed on what you're saying otherwise you are just like a toothless bulldog, that can't hunt a fly!

Paul belonged to a popular GROUP called the Pharisees before Jesus called him into his own humble GROUP called Christians.

So there has always been an established form of worship that Paul was defending, and there are people who have already agreed upon what he is teaching!

Let people first know the GROUP upholding this your SPECIAL form of pure doctrine so that it won't just end here on faceless social media where only few people have access and time to read your post and someone like me can call you an IDIOT uttering GIBBERISH!

Just remain in ignorance.

Maximus69:
What God said is clear my honourable learned professor TruthinAction Sir!

The VERY DAY Adam eat of the fruit, he will surely die

But Adam and his wife each live well over 900 years on earth, so that's really confusing because they've exceeded much more than 100,000 days talkless of one!

It's when i read what Peter wrote that i now understood why neither Adam nor any of his descendants lived up to 1,000 years which according to Apostle Peter is equal to one day in God's sight!

So it's this your own interpretation now that will change everything as if God lied to Adam, THE VERY DAY they eat the forbidden fruit,

God said {They will surely die} Genesis 2:17

Satan said {The will NOT surely die} Genesis 3:4

But going by your own interpretation, you're vindicating Satan as being the one that's truthful! Because they did NOT surely die that very day!

I don't blame you. You don't have the capacity to understand spiritual things. I told you they died spiritually. Just give your life to Jesus Christ first and the Lord will open your understanding.

He lifted five millions out of poverty and plunged over hundred millions into poverty.

Live your life in such a way to avoid trouble. The best way to live your life is to first give your life to Jesus and follow his teachings.

Jesus said, if a man slaps you on the right cheek, turn the other to him. There is wisdom in the teachings of Christ but I know it does not appeal to the sense.

Maestro21:
Nobody can pay me enough to be bold enough to do the foolish things you are currently doing. Jesus did not challenge any false religious leaders, he challenged false teachings. Have you seen me call you to order when you are challenging a teaching? No. Because that is allowed since it can only be done by the word. If you said "this and that are wrong because I feel they are" you will be wrong.

It does not matter how long you have been in christ. Your ignorance shows you don't even know the word. Your greatest undoings are first posting lies as truths, endorsing a demon-possessed liar which Bisola is and not walking in love. I have told you before and you will remember me. You are walking in error and God is rebuking you.

Don't be biased. Even your conscience knows that Bisola is telling the truth. A woman who came out boldly to say she is ready to go to court to defend her book. She knows that character defamation is a criminal act. Nobody will be foolish enough to make all the submissions that she made if it cannot be defended. Besides, three other persons have equally said the same thing. The last one is a member of the church branch in Athens. She said that the Pastor posted there molested her sexually. She reported to T B Joshua thinking that the Pastor will be sanctioned only for T B Joshua to sweep it under the carpet. He told her that it's OK since it happened within the church.

When the authorities in Athens wanted to investigate, T B Joshua closed the Church and denied it was never part of his branch.

What more do we need to hear to confirm that T B Joshua is a sex addict? And that is what all his Pastors are trained to do. In the mouth of two or three witnesses, every case shall be established. But we already have four witnesses. Keep defending evil. The Bible warned that we should not be partakers of other men sin. It is not only the one who sins that will be judged but also the one who defend such sinners. And I am sure many more people will soon come out to give their own version.

Maximus69:
My grades back in school was so poor that i ended up serving as a military intelligence officer for several years in far away countries from home!

But regarding the 1,000 years Sir, please can you enlighten me why there was NO human who ever lived up to 1,000 years?

Because that's exactly what God told Adam{Genesis 2:17} and i noticed through the course of my study of the scriptures that NO human ever lived up to 1,000 years{a day in God's sight}! 2Peter 3:8

That nobody ever lived up to a thousand years does not mean that 1,000 years is equivalent to a day.

Let's see the scripture quotation where it was stated.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that ONE DAY IS WITH THE LORD AS A THOUSAND YEARS, and A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.

Notice it was even said both ways. If your assertion is true, then we can also say one day on earth is equivalent to 1,000 years with the Lord. Because it was stated both ways.

It is just telling you that the realm of the spirit is timeless.

When he told Adam that the day he eats that fruit he will die. Adam actually died that day. It was a spiritual death. Spiritual death is separation from the very life of God and fellowship with God. It also the spiritual death that resulted in the physical dead.

Maximus69:
Well with all due respect my honourable Professor TruthinAction all protocols duly observed, i don't think that's what Jesus commissioned Christianity for Sir!

He said "Go and disciples of people of all the nations" Matthew 28:19-20

As for exposing falsehood, i don't think there has ever been a single man of God right from the time of Jesus till today that's RESPECTED in the world again! Matthew 11:12

If you find anyone claiming man of God that's highly revered amongst the people today know now that such a person have sold his soul to Satan! Luke 4:5-7

There is a Scripture bases for my actions.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.(KJV)

Ephesians 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. (NET).

Some activities of some so called Ministries are unfruitful works of darkness. Notable amongst them are the Jehovah Witness. Others just have doctrinal errors which must also be addressed.

Apostle Paul rebuked Apostle Peter when he noticed he was doing the wrong thing.

In addition Apostle Paul placed a curse on any teacher or even any angle that preaches and teaches contrary to what Jesus and his Apostles taught.

Galatians 1:8-9.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

If someone does not correct them, many will be led astray and miss heaven.

There are many erroneous doctrines today that is trending. I will just mention a few.

1. Once saved is always saved.
2. That there will be no rapture.
3. The kill your enemies prayer forms in most of our Churches today.
4. Idolization and commercialization of different healing media ranging from anointed water, anointing oil, handkerchief or mantles, bangles, vest, blood of Jesus packaged in bottles etc.

All these are the fulfillment of the prophecy Apostle Paul gave that in the latter days many shall depart from the faith and giving heed to seducing doctrines.

Maximus69:
But God told Adam
"You{Adam} will die, and return to dust, for out of it 'Adam' was taken. Dust is what 'Adam' is and to dust 'Adam' will return" Genesis 3:19

That doesn't sound any close to all these your interpretations in anyway Sir!

Adam died both physically and spiritually that same day! Because according to God's word, his own one day equals to 1,000 years before humans{2Peter 3:8} That's why NO human ever lived up to 1,000 years{One day in God's sight}

You a dullard. What grade did you make in school. What you there is a figure of speech known as simile. It said, a thousand years IS LIKE a day. It never said, a thousand years IS equivalent to a day When you say she is fat like a cow does not make her a cow.

Maximus69:
All religious title bearers will be disgraced soon!

So don't focus only on the ones you're induced to hate, none of them is working for Jesus!
Jesus condemned bearing of religious titles amongst his own followers! Matthew 23:8

Off course there are many false prophets and teachers. And God will expose them all. I will soon begin to expose false teachings of many respected men of God.

MuttleyLaff:
Chief, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's slow down a bit please and get things in there proper perspective. I don't mind if you don't want to directly answer my very simple easy direct and straightforward questions. That is fine, but let me find out this way, if you dont want to tell why Jesus used Gehena together, with the word soul, when describing the soul has capable of being utterly destroyed, hmm?
1/ What to your understanding is Gehena?
2/ What always was the state of Gehena?

Here is another set of questions
1/ Do you physically smile or cry in dreams, like in nightmares or sweet dreams, hmm?
2/ Why are you "pre-lake of fire" talking of a soul that goes into none existence, hmm?
3/ What happens to the existence of death after it gets cast into the lake of fire please?
4/ What is your understanding of the phrase "tormented day and night for ever and ever"?
5/ Who and what at the moment is in the lake of fire?

You avoid my questions to ask yours. Gehena was not the only illustration Jesus used to describe eternal judgment.

He used everlasting fire, he used outer darkness, he used furnace of fire. Gehena is translated hell fire. It was a place the Jews used to burdn refuse and even thier children. The fire there before the time of Jesus burned continually. But Jesus wasn't referring to the physical place which later became a refuse dump even in the time of Jesus. So Jesus could not been saying that people will be thrown into a refuse dump whose fire no longer exists. He just used it as an illustration since the Jews were familiar with the story of Gehena.

Jozzy4:
The earlier you understand this the better, You are an enemy of Christ - To say some people were condemned to everlasting hellfire BEFORE THIER SAVIOR DIED FOR THEIR INHERITED SIN , is to useless the coming of Jesus .

I didn't say so. The people who lived before Jesus came will b judged by either the law of their conscience or by the law of Moses for the Jews that were under the Law.

After all Noah got saved in his generation even before Jesus came.

Jozzy4:
Lake of fire means non existence as evidenced by hell been thrown into it to never exist again.

If that's the only thing you gain from this discussion, you would do yourself much good

When you get there, you will believe. You are an anti Christ. Just opposing all that the Scripture says. You want to make it say what it did not say. You never answered my questions? How come the false prophet and the beast were still there after 1,000 years? You deny the evidence of the Scripture to establish your own doctrine. Your punishment will be worse than that of the devil himself.

Jozzy4:
According to the Bible, a spirit dese not have flesh and Bones , How then can spiritual soul have TEETH ( BONES ) ??



This beast is an human being according to you, All humans inherit Sin and will Die , But how come this particular beast never experience death ? Is God lying at Genesis 3:19 ?

The physical body will burn off first and the soul will be in torment. So in a sense, he still died because the soul can only be released when the physical body dies or is destroyed.

Every part of the physical body is also considered in the soul. Are angels not spirit but they eat. Where did their teeth come from?

We also have disembodied spirit. This is what Jesus referred to as a spirit does not have flesh and bones.

Maximus69:
My friend, divine wisdom in Christianity not based on emotional feelings of credulity!

Jesus asked his followers to go out there and preach the gospel of God's Kingdom, NOT threatening people with fairy stories of torture!

Lake of fire simply means total destruction, millions across the globe formerly hold onto this credulous idea of torturing people who disagrees with the Churches in a place called Lake of Fire. But today they're happily preaching and teaching people the undiluted truth about God's Kingdom!
So if you can't convince your listeners with something tangible then your theory is false that's just the simple truth! Matthew 7:28-29

I can only pray to God on your behalf to see and embrace the light. Spiritual things can only be understood by those who are genuinely born again and filled with the Holy Spirit. So give your life to Jesus first and receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise all I will teach will not appeal to your reasonings cause that is the realm you operate. God's word is received in your spirit and not your head. So, you don't have the capacity to receive God's word yet.

Omudia11:
If you call "the mirror" or the other book, pamphlets then I have no words for you. I can only suggest you get well soon.

Yes, the book is a pamphlet. How many pages does it have?

Omudia11:
TB J doesn't answer to mere mortals.
He answers to God. That is the sole reason why he wouldn't respond to criticisms from your ilk. You and the rest of the world can only vent out your anger while he keeps growing in grace and anionting.

Which anointing. Anointing that comes only when his dick is sucked before service. The more you look, the less you see. Let him take Bisola to court. The allegations are too weighty to keep silent. Silence is indirectly admitting his guilt.

Omudia11:
Oga, as of today (I don't know about times of old) you can go in only with a pass and this is checkmate so many things.

30 years of his ministry has not confirmed it then it's flimsy words from an internet troll that will confirm it. Lmao.

Ok the pass is still in force. You only get that pass when you meet certain financial obligations over time including tithe. This is fraud. They are not checkmating any thing. It's all about ways of making money from gullible crowds going to witness stage managed miracles.

Omudia11:
Trash! Any pastor who preaches false doctrines that can lead people to sin is a false preacher. Any pastor who sugarcoats sin or tells you sin isn't sin is a false preacher.

I don't know about Oyedepo and have never listened to him but I definitely know that Kumuyi, Adeboye and Olukoya do not preach anything contrary to the word of God as they hammer on holiness and righteousness.

Pastor does not speak on holiness and righteousness. His masturbation preaching clearly went against what Christ preached so that is a different thing entirely, moreover every Christian knows that sexual sins are some of the worst sins. So for Chris not to know that shows his legitimacy is highly questionable.

Is it not the same pastor Chris that charges N1,000 as entrance fee for his cross over service? You follow someone whose ways are not straight but you're here demonizing TB J. I pity your life. A pastor who couldn't keep his home and was allegedly sleeping with his members.
Lmao!!

Now you assert that Pastor Chris sleeps with his members. Then what does T B Joshua do? He disvirgin teenagers and rapes married women. You don't want to believe it until he his sent to jail. A member has already taken him to court for defiling her daughter. We will soon here the final judgment on the case.

Pastor Chris as much as he may have his shortcomings is a servant of God. No one has come openly to accuse him of sexual misconduct but T B Joshua has been accused by at least three persons.

Maestro21:
You have not healed anyone as demons will never listen to someone like you who is ignorant and undisciplined in the things of God. Or how else can I believe you when your own posts here have you using words like "rogue and womanizer" for someone you have never met in your life. The funny thing is, someone who is even more acquainted with Prophet Joshua's ministry has refuted most of the things you said. Starting from the sale of water to the pass to the building. There are videos of Synagogue Church of Christ members talking about one scam or the other that Bisola was involved in where she fleeced people of money. That was why she was sacked by the church. But you stood there, and used the testimony of a liar to insult a Prophet of God because of bile and unchristlike hatred for another man, simply because he does things different than you. That is not a true Christian spirit. You are warned to desist from doing that. There is only one way this will end...with you..in trouble.

How much were you paid to turn blind eyes to the truth. Jesus directly confronted the false religious leaders of his days. And I see nothing wrong in exposing evil works of darkness. You are not in the light yet. If you are, you will clearly see what I am seeing. To a blind man, everything looks exactly the same. You are spiritually blind that is why you can't discern good from evil. I have been in Christ for 33 years now and I can easily recognize falsehood. Perhaps when you get to my level of knowledge, you will understand all what I have been saying.

Jozzy4:
At where ? Lake of fire.

Is death and hell not also thrown into this lake of fire , YET YOU CONFESS THEY WILL EXIST NO MORE !

No need to reply you again for your mind is made up on what to believe in spite of evidences against it. I just urge you to repent before it is too late. Hell is very hot and unbearable. Lake of fire is worse.

Jozzy4:
According to Genesis 3:19, Man will experience physical death as a result of sin, Yes or no ?

I give up on you. When you get there you will curse the day your mother gave birth to you. Keep debating on matters that are very clear in the Scripture.

Jozzy4:
Are the cities still burning today ?

I asked a question earlier on: if the people of sodom and Gomorrah died and go to hell, Do you accept Jesus did not die for all men ?

How could the cities still be burning. You asked a foolish question. The bodies of the people also got burnt off but their souls are suffering in hell. That Jesus died for all men doesn't mean all men are free. Only those who accept him as his Lord and personal Saviour and live a godly life will be saved.

Those who lived before Jesus came have a different criteria for judgment.

Only those who lived after Jesus came will be judged by their rejection of Christ.

Omudia11:
Your points hold no water. Please note that my contribution is not based on heresay but pure facts as I've witnessed everything I'm about to say first hand.
Also, I'm someone who knows lots of people who have worked/work with scoan in various capacities such as disciple, cook, usher, generator department etc.

One very close friend of mine worked as a disciple there for 7 years. In Scoan the disciples are the closest people to TB J because they go everywhere with him and are with him 24/7.

1. The morning water is not for sale. It is given as a free gift to anyone who buys the books and CDs. I'm sure you know what those include. It includes 3 books written by TB J, namely, The Mirror, The step between you and the cure, and A guide of testimonies of people who actually used "it". Two CDs also come along with it and along with 3 stickers.

It is the above listed things that cost N5,000. In your church are such things given out for free? Also bear in mind that the books are of good quality. But despite all that he still gives out hundreds of those for free every Sunday and I have been given all that for free before.

2. False. No one idolises the morning water. He makes it clear that God is the healer, not him and not not the morning water. This is written on the placards even and inside the church auditorium. He sounds it very clearly and anyone doing anything contrary does so on their own volition.

3. Stop lying. I am not a member of Scoan but every time I go I am allowed access. I do not even pay tithe and nor am I a partner. Anyone who goes very early would be given a pass which is not connected to any financial standing. And please note that this is done for security purposes. You are thoroughly searched after which you'd be given a pass.

4. So preaching of love, forgiveness and peace is not sound doctrine? Do you know that the Bible says the greatest commandment is love? And the second greatest is love as well. The Bible says Good is love. So for that reason, TB Joshua hammers on Love. If you feel love is not a sound doctrine then the joke is on you.

5. My disciple friend told me that when the building collapsed, the first thing TB J did was to kneel down and give thanks to God. He did not curse God. He did not say God, why me? He simply gave thanks. Did you read the story of Job who lost all his kids, businesses and all his possessions in one day? Did that make job and anti-christ? This means if you were alive in the time of Job you'd have accused him of using his family for sacrifice.

Note: few weeks before the building collapse, TB J said there was a calamity which was to occur close to him, even as close as his mouth and that when it happened, those close to him will be the ones to call the media to come and even cast aspersions on him and that's exactly what happened.

Another point to note is that wether or not a pastor sees an impending calamity does not invalidate their authenticity. God can decide to show you what he wants or not.

6. Thank God you said they were certified healed. Look. That an illness returns doesn't mean a preacher is false. When Jesus healed a certain man he said to him, "see you're still healed, go and sin no more lest a worse thing befalls you for seven worse demons will befall you if you fall back into sin".

After a healing, TB J tells everyone to go and make the word of God a standard for their lives. Scripture has told us such things will return if we don't accept and follow Jesus words and desist from sin. So how then do you blame him for sicknesses that return if they were certified healed in the first place? Moreover, there are thousands of people who have been healed by scoan who still maintain their healing till this day.

7. Lol, pot calling kettle black. I have watched Love world and seen Pastor Chris helping people so remove the speck from your eyes first. There are hundreds if not thousands of donations which are not publicised. For example money is been given to those who don't have money to return to their homes or countries but that is not publicised.


8. There are alter calls every Sunday at the Scoan. No one literally comes to the alter but they usually say, if you want to come to Christ say this prayer of repentance and they proceed to say it.

I have seen the pamphlets you call book. Both it and the CDs are not worth even 1,000 naira. He is just making merchandise of people who do not even know their rights in Christ.

Omudia11:
TB J wanted to use PC to score a point?
You don't even know the person you're castigating.

Look, TB J doesn't give a flight crap what anyone things or says about him. For that reason he has never ever responded to criticisms in all his years of ministry.

He has no defense to put up. But one day he has to defend himself in the court.

Omudia11:
Does Christ embassy face the same attacks and criticisms that the Scoan does? If someone walks in unrestricted and plants a bomb or something fetish won't you go on to accuse him or using juju and/or sacrificing people again like you're already doing now.

However on Sundays, every adult who comes has free access to the church.

Unless it's a new development otherwise, you can go into the main auditorium without a pass or an ID. And the passes are renewable. Tell us he has changed that. Maybe numbers have started dropping. Which ever way, he is a scam. And time will confirm it.

Omudia11:
My late paternal grand uncle was once paid by PC members to fake a miracle.
I never wanted to say this because I don't like criticising pastors. This happened long before I was born so I don't know the full details. You're here defendit a man that openly said masturbation is not a sin when Jesujs Christ said merely lustful glare is a sin.

Hahahahahaha.

You'd say I'm lying but I don't care. We will all know the truth someday.

I personally condemned his teaching on maturbation but it doesn't make him false. That is his understanding. Details of every sin we commit today were all listed in the Old Testament but you will not find maturbation there. He probably gave his judgment based on evidence of the Scripture but I didn't personally buy into it.

Many notable men of God preach doctrines that are false. This includes Oyedepo, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya, Ibiyoeme etc but it does not mean that they were not called. But they still lack understanding on some subjects which I believe over time, God will open their eyes to rightly divide the word of truth.

But I insist T B Joshua is not called. I have always known this ever since he started based on the evidence of what I see him do even before these allegations started coming.

Omudia11:
You're a man of Satan. Many people who are bigger, greater and more connected than you have tried but failed miserably,
sonid live to see you try.

You call yourself a man of God but here you are calling a man of God names. This is something the very person you're criticising has never done in 30 years of his ministry.

So who is more godly between you and Joshua. I pity your future members.

Longevity does not mean lagality. He will still come down. Evil has expiring date.

Omudia11:
Even Lagos State government and the entire world have been unable to bring him down so please keep trying. Many people thought the building collapse was the last straw but guess what, he came out stronger and even got him more fame throughout the globe such that he is now the subscribed MOG on YouTube and the most famous prophet.

Nobody said he doesn't have time to respond to allegations. He just doesn't respond. He posted a clip and that was it,
but will he open his mouth to call someone names? No he has never and will never do that. That is one characteristic of him that you will never have.

Is he stopping you from making investigations? What has stopped anyone from charging him to court?

God himself will bring him down through strange circumstances. Just mark my word. We are on Nairaland together.