ba7man: So you can't pay 200grand to avoid a lifetime of bills?? How intelligent of you and your friend.

They asked if LASG provided water supply and I am a witness that they did......now the question is "Why did i sink a borehole"?? You guys aint got nothing to say.

From what you posted above, I could deduce 3 things .

1. LASG water isn't affordable hence you feel it's cheaper to drill and maintain your private borehole .
2. LASG water isn't clean hence you cannot trust it for anything other than for washing cars
3. LASG water isn't steady hence you prefer to use a private borehole where you can conveniently guarantee steady water using a float switch to pump water for storage .

software man:

Honestly,i patiently read through your write up to see the precise point you are trying to make; then it occurs to me that you are employing a classical propaganda argument called the part of the bottle empty to counter the part of the bottle full.

First, except you are telling me you expect fashola to solve all the myriad of problems in lagos state, by which i mean fix all the roads, get all lagos schools and hospital to private standards etc. but that is not what we are discussing here.The topic of discussion here is about Fashola's achievements.

We are not saying Fashola has solved all the problems of lagos state but we are saying he has achieved a lot.

Your argument is like saying a boy who scored 80 percent in an exam has not passed because he did not score 100 percent.
fashola has not and cannot solve all the problems of lagos state but he has achieved a lot. Get that first.

Now to the specifics of your questions:

Overall if Fashola has performed as you claim, can you sincerely say your life is better? What do you mean here, Fashola is not the president of the country whose economic policies such inflation management, interest rate, power supply etc has the most direct bearing on what will make my life better. i do not use it, but those who do told me the BRT bus scheme made their life better[/b]

Has you travel time within Lagos improved? [b]My travel time, every time i visit lagos has improved in most parts of lagos( i remember oshodi and several places), but of course there might still be some other places pending.[/i]

Have you enjoyed better healthcare services from LASG hospitals and hence quit using private hospitals?
To be honest with you, i know some private clinics now refer certain patients to lagos hospitals because have being better equipped than any other in this country including some federal government Hospitals. bottom line: health care has improved tremendously in lagos state. [i]

Can you sleep comfortable at night in Lagos feeling secured or can you walk at night on the streets of Lagos feeling safe? Yes. i can sleep better because security in lagos has improved tremendously this past years.The incidence of violent crime such as armed robbery has gone down drastically.I hope you are not expecting fashola to eradicate it completely because it is not possible to.[/i]

Have you been able to buy food cheaper than before? fashola cannot control inflation and interest rate. he is not the president of Nigeria.[i]

Has your business fared better under Fashola's economic policies? Fashola is not the president of the country whose economic policies such inflation management, interest rate, power supply etc has the most direct bearing on what will make my business better.[i][/i]

fashola has done very well. i will score him 8 out of 10 so far.

Thanks for taking up this challenge! I will expect you remain civil in your comments while we argue because I ignore insults.

First the questions you answered were questions I said you should answer personally with your God!!

The questions I asked for your answers were for you to name particular projects Fashola solely executed with public funds within his tenure as Governor, which I believe is the main aim of this thread, I asked this because when the OP started showing pictures of projects, he was displaying many pictures of private sponsored projects and Lagos state being a business hub you shouldn't expect anything less from corporate bodies resident there.

Rad1cal: T-Something singlehandedly shut the noise makers up . Damn !!!

I am waiting for any of them to come up with proofs I raised and instead the idiot who calls himself Mafia man is asking me to prove am from Akwa ibom?? He chicken out as expected!!
The other one called it a Joint Venture project, where it was clearly stated that it is a Social Responsibility project, but earlier they bragged it was all Fashola's project!!

This is one, I am waiting for them to try me on their water projects!! I challenge anyone of them to name the water projects solely funded by Fashola and the Locations and I will give you facts !!

I don't stay in Lagos so I may not recognize the schools they posted here, but if they are so bold let them state the names of Schools Fashola built solely with state funds and we will start from there!!

This thread was created to show ONLY PROJECTS EXECUTED BY the above Governors and not some privately funded or driven projects. Remember we are trying to justify how both men used the resources at their disposal to touch the lives of their citizens!!

Mafia Man: The ibos are now the slaves *spits **
From Sincere9gerian, Chwkudi44, FreeGlobe, Afam4eva, Solomon11, Homesteady, t - something are ALL IBOS!!





[size=27pt]IBOs STOP Being Boyi -Boyi of everybody!!! Be PROUD of yourself and heritage.[/size]

So just because anybody counters your Fashola claim, the person is an Ibo!! Shows your level of stupidity! I made a challenge here and your sensible brother are researching to get articles to counter my challenge and you are here bringing tribe and ethnicity into a development challenge!!!
For information, I am a proud Akwa Ibomite, and happily reside in Uyo. So STFU and challenge me on issues not on ethnic sentiments !! Bastard!!

plaindealer: It shouldn't be too hard to point out the so called 80% PPP projects now. What's holding you? Abeg don't run away o

Name the projects whose pictures you posted here with their location and I will prove they are PPP projects for you to delete.

Let's start with the Coscharis Training centre.
LASG contribution was providing a moribund training centre that was established decades ago and Cosharis invested cash into it, So in other words Fashola didn't put in a dime of LASG funds into it, rather it was a wasted facility rotting somewhere that is his own counterpart fund in the arrangement. Note Cosharis is doing this as a Corporate Social Responsibility Project hence the terms would be more in favour of LASG than Cosharis.!!
Now can you prove me wrong or you delete it from his achievements??

naptu2:

Again, trying to shift the goal post. You said that Fashola merely came to commission the project, so who owns Eko Engineering Services?

I read the whole article. It stated the amount that would be injected, but didn't say by whom.

Why did you exclude the portions of the article where both Ayo Gbeleyi and Fashola were praised?

Bottomline Eko Engineering Ventures is owned by Lagos State. The skills acquisition centre is an initiative of the Lagos State Government (it is not the only one. There are farms, the Samsung Academy and many others). That's far more than "having nothing to do with the project".

Eko Ventures is owned by Lagos State decades ago and left to rot. Fashola didn't create the Eko Ventures neither did he use LASG funds to revamp it!! So it doesn't qualify as one of his projects he can boast of !!! Simple!!!

Rad1cal:

Signs of desperation. Open the link he provided and Read ! Read! and Read!

Trust me they dare not read it cos it exposes all the lies!! I am ready to face anyone reasonable enough to argue with me on Fashola's project.
One out of the many posted here has been proved to be purely private sector with no dime of LASG included. I am waiting to prove more , just waiting for anyone willing to take up the challenge and name the particular project he claims Fashola started and completed solely with LASG funds !!

naptu2:

Ignore him. They originally said that Fashola had nothing to do with the project. He was only invited to "commission" the project. Now the story is changing. I guess it was Samsung that chose the Lagos Technical Academy.

I stated the link for you to read the whole story. Some things in the story worthy of note are ...

1. Coscharis is doing it as a Corporate Social Responsibility
2. Cosharis is injecting N1 Billion into the project
3. Cosharis is to train students for LASG at no cost to the govt
4. Fashola himself marveled at the vision of the project and thanked those who conceptualized it.

If you dispute any of these items, I would paste each paragraph where these were stated.

Now what I want you to prove to me is to show me where in any article or document where Fashola injected funds into this project!! I challenge you on this!! If you can't, we can move to any of his next project you want to bring up for challenge!!

emiye:

You are not making sense, read your post again.

Yea, Its clearly above your comprehension. The person who understands what I wrote has been unable to counter the claim.

naptu2:

Now can you show me the difference between what I posted and what you posted?
Was Eko Engineering Ventures not set up by the Lagos State Government?

Is it not owned by the Lagos State Government?

Is Coscharis managing it or not?

(There's a similar deal with Samsung to manage the state's technical academy).

The difference is that you stated that LASG "chose" Cosharis whereas its was Cosharis who chose to do the project as its CSR. If you read the post , you will see it was Coscharis that injected 1 Billion into the moribund venture and would use it to train students for LASG at no cost to LASG for 4 years after which they will manage it for some years before returning it to LASG.

Bottom line, No LASG fund nor idea is involved in this!!!

naptu2: Eko Engineering Ventures Limited was set up by the Lagos State Government in the 1970s. It was meant to be an engineering company that would build and maintain automobiles, etc. Years of bad management under successive military regimes brought the company to its knees. The Fashola Administration decided to revamp the company, use it as a centre for its skills acquisition programme and get a private company to manage it. Coscharis was chosen as the private company that will manage it. Eko Engineering Ventures is still owned by the Lagos State Government.

Read the truth here

Therefore, in alignment to its Corporate Social Responsibility drive and in identifying with the Lagos State’s Public Private
Partnership initiative, Coscharis Motors officially took over the Eko Engineering project for Sales and After Sales Services of all
auto brands as well as managing the vocational centre for technical skill acquisition specifically to provide after sales support
for Rapid Response Squad (RRS) fleet of vehicles. “


http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/lagos-bold-move-to-tackle-youth-unemployment/120551/

naptu2: Eko Engineering Ventures Limited was set up by the Lagos State Government in the 1970s. It was meant to be an engineering company that would build and maintain automobiles, etc. Years of bad management under successive military regimes brought the company to its knees. The Fashola Administration decided to revamp the company, use it as a centre for its skills acquisition programme and get a private company to manage it. Coscharis was chosen as the private company that will manage it. Eko Engineering Ventures is still owned by the Lagos State Government.

Read the truth here

Therefore, in alignment to its Corporate Social Responsibility drive and in identifying with the Lagos State’s Public Private
Partnership initiative, Coscharis Motors officially took over the Eko Engineering project for Sales and After Sales Services of all
auto brands as well as managing the vocational centre for technical skill acquisition specifically to provide after sales support
for Rapid Response Squad (RRS) fleet of vehicles. “


http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/lagos-bold-move-to-tackle-youth-unemployment/120551/

Fashola will read this thread and be happy his being worshiped and continue to scam you guys the more by cutting tape at every gutter completed by someone.
Let's look at all the project and pictures displayed here, one by one...
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Schools..... How many of such schools that are displayed here are in Lagos? How many of you here who worship Fashola can entrust your kids to such schools? Why don't you show us pictures of schools in use and not the ones they are commissioning? Now the big question how many of this school rehabilitation projects are SOLELY funded by LASG? Please anyone replying should do that with a list so we can verify else quite quoting cos I will ignore you.

Water ..... How come despite all these water projects posted here, 80% of Lagosians still don't have public water? How many of you can be sincere to your God and say you actually use this water projects posted here or anyone at all? OK, they are only used to prove Fashola has provided water. Even at that which and which particular water works is fully funded by LASG, please be careful when listing them cos I have got the list of world bank assisted water projects in Lagos and most of them were commissioned by Fashola in his usual manner.

Skill Acquisition - Aren't you ashamed that you displayed Cosharis Training centre as part of LASG project? Because he called Fashola to commission it and offered a partnership with LASG, now its termed a visionary project from Fashola. Ask how much did Fashola invest there? Name and show us skill acquisition centres solely built by Fashola .

Housing - For you to even enumerate this as Fashola's project shows how ignorant you are of government. I am sure you are one of those kids who ejaculate when you see this Con man cuts any tape. The houses schemes you mentioned and posted here are private sector driven and the few with LASG participation are funded from Federal Mortgage Bank of Nigeria. I challenge you to prove me wrong!!!

Security - You display vans and security gadgets fully provided by the support of private/ corporate bodies using the vehicle of Lagos Security Trust Fund. How much did LASG donate to the trust fund? Haba facts are sacred. Even the Police vans donated by MTN just last week, the Con man was at hand to cut the tape like as if LASG contributed a dime for even the spare tires of any of the vans.

Agriculture - Like seriously , I am surprised someone could post Fashola's picture in an agric mart as an achievement!! I even saw one pix Eko rice!! Please which of you have seen or eaten this Eko rice? Which of you go to this Agric mart Fashola snapped pictures with? How many of these Agric marts are there in the entire Lagos state? How has this Agric mart helped in reducing the prices of food in Lagos state? These are questions sensible pple should ask and not looking and beautiful colored pictures.

Public works - I saw pictures of a beautiful building being inaugurated and so many road construction equipments, but I would still like to ask , If LASG owns all these equipments, then repairing LASG shouldn't be a problem!! At least you can use these guys to embark on regular maintenance of roads and even construction of minor Road works. You should ask yourself why is that pothole at your busstop still there even after one year? Where are these guys being used ? Or are they just for photo propaganda?

Overall if Fashola has performed as you claim, can you sincerely say your life is better?

Has you travel time within Lagos improved?

Have you enjoyed better healthcare services from LASG hospitals and hence quit using private hospitals?

Can you sleep comfortable at night in Lagos feeling secured or can you walk at night on the streets of Lagos feeling safe?

Have you been able to buy food cheaper than before?

Has your business fared better under Fashola's economic policies?

These are questions you should answer between yourself and your God, don't reply me cos it affects only you

Let me stop here for now. I will be willing to engage anyone with sensible comments on a debate free of insults and mudslinging but purely on facts and figures.

Delafruita: can you see how myopic you are?while akpabio only has to worry about building stadiums,roads etc,fashola has to pay a civil service whose budget alone will build that stadium.fashola has to think of how to connect every single part of lagos.this doesn't require major roads,rather it requires intra-city roads which are much shorter but are required in almost every nook and cranny of lagos.even worse,construction of such roads aren't noticeable because they are just meant to serve a certain area but their functionality is noticed.I wonder why fashola will need to build a stadium .before u can compare fashola to akpabio,fashola should be receiving triple what akwa-ibom receives.but in a case where both states have almost d same budget,you need to consider the population and requirement of both states then you determine who is making more efficient use of the resources available

The badagry expressway u mentioned is a federal road which is been financed by a world bank loan.unfortunately the federal government stood in the way of lagos receiving the second tranche of the loan with ngozi giving the flimsiest of excuses.but the state has restrategised and sought another avenue to fund the project and work has continued.that's what you call determination.as for the lekki-epe expressway,its unfortunate the concession didn't work as planned but at the stage it is,those of us who knew how the area was before can attest to the vast improvement.that road has served to open up that area more and with the LASG buying out the contract,its only a matter of time before the road is finished.the government has said it would issue bonds to raise the funds so as to lessen the burden on tacxpayers

Therez the LFZ,eko atlantic city and many other futuristic projects which the fashola admin has embarked that only serves to prove that he's a visionary.and that's outsside also making sure government takes care of "little" people-oriented projects like mass housing,health centres,roads,schools,etc

I chose to engage you in an argument despite all the numerous comments on this thread because only your comment had a semblance of sense in it though its flawed due to ignorance of some facts, hence reducing yourself to act like the numerous goons on this website by insulting me instead of attacking my points raised smacks of stupidity.
I asked you a simple question and you are still yet to answer those questions yet you chose the ones to defend, especially if you can rope the FG in.
I said and proved that all the social amenities provided by LASG as reflected in the budget are charged or tolled. Education isn't free , Healthcare isn't free, Water isn't available and the little available isn't free, Sanitation which has failed still isn't free, Transportation isn't free, Housing isn't free, Roads are tolled, Security is supported by private / corporate bodies, None of the social amenities yet ur governor claims he is spending 499Bill (plus 610Bill loan) on these things.
So what are the proceeds from this investments used for, since you said the 499billion is used to take care of civil service, and the broken down facilities aren't even repaired or maintained.
Please ask someone more educated than you to explain these things in a simple manner you brain can comprehend

Delafruita:
how will anyone in his right senses make such a postulation?how does anyone even start to compare lagos to akwa-ibom?lagos is a state that has a population almost 5times that of akwa-ibom and that population increases daily.those in akwa-ibom presently are seeking ways of moving down to lagos.does it mean akpabio's roads are not beautiful enough a sight to keep them happy?

akpabio didnt start many of the projects that have been listed on this thread just like fashola didnt start many of those he is finishing.the truth is when you compare their revenues vis a vis population,fashola has done a darn good job.akpabio keeps building roads and beautifying,what has he done to boost industries in akwa-ibom?why dont the masses feel the impact of the billions that flow into that state?for those that dont know,akwa-ibom receives the highest federal allocation in nigeria of roughly 19billion naira every month.lagos reeives an average of 7billion and the bulk of its revenues come from IGR.that is the first achievement.the fact that people make money and are able to pay their taxes shows that the government is foing its job.government isnt just supposed to build roads and plant flowers,it should create the enabling environment for people to make wealth and give back.if akpabio has received trillions over the years and his state can only boast an IGR of 20billion in a year,it shows that something is wrong.even ogun state generates 4billion naifra monthly which is roughly 50billion in a year.if the people of akwa-ibom cannot buy cars,how will they benefit from the roads?how many cars ply the roads akpabio has built?

the numbr of inner-city roads fashola has built in lagos are astounding.its easy to construct a new road and make it beautiful,the hard part is in making everywhere in your city accessible.besides most of these projects are located in uyo.what of eket?ikot-ekpene and many other cities in akwa-ibom?can they boast inner-city roads that connect everywhere?the misconception about lagos is in seeing it as a whole entity.this is because there is no massive seperation between the different local governments.everywhere is jojned at its boundaries and those boundaries have disappeared.lagos state has become a huge city so when people view lagos,they view it wholistically.akpabio enjoys the benefit of his state been a big village.he can spend billions on uyo and show the world he is an achiever because the nearest city is still about one hour away.

the number of workers in lagos alone is more than the entire population of akwa-ibom.the number of primary school pupils alone is more then the entire population of akwa-ibom.i still dont understand what the basis for comparison is.but since some goons are hellbent on comparing,perhaps they can compare this

lagos generates roughly 30billion naira monthly and receives 7billion as allocation.thats about 37billion monthly

akwa-iom generates about 2billion monthly and receives about 20billion as allocation.thats about 22billion

akwa-ibom has a population of about 3million people.based on its funds thats roughly 7000naira PCI

lagos has a population of more than 15million people which makes its PCI about 2460naira

akwa-ibom has more money per person than lagos.infact it has almost triple what lagos has per person.

akwa-ibom should be able to pay unemployment benefit to its people

it should be able to bring up innovations to encourage job creation for its people.

people shouldnt judge akpabio based on roads and bridges.judge akpabio based on how much his state receives and what impact it has had on the people of his state

You are wrong, Akwa Ibom only has 700 people and not 3mill as you stated. Akpabio has only completed 3 roads in only Uyo city and after that nothing. Does that make you happier?

You guys just rush to write things without reading to see if it makes sense.
First let me ask some questions from the rubbish you wrote above.
What is the budget of Lagos state in 2013 ? - 499Bill
What is the budget of Akwa Ibom statte in 2013? - 470Bill
From this we can see that Lagos clearly intends to spend more money than Akwa Ibom.
Now let ask ourselves what do they spend the money on?

In Akwa Ibom , at least we can see world class contractors like Juluis Berger building world class roads all around the state in a timely manner. We are building an international airport, we are building a world class stadium, a seaport, an underground drainage system to combat flooding and still it hasn't stopped him from providing FREE education in conducive classrooms for the 700pple in Akwa Ibom. It hasn't stopped him from renovating/building health centres and upgrading them? It hasn't stopped him from providing water to the most interior village even if its mere bore hole? It hasn't stopped him from repairing decayed FG roads? It hasn't pushed him to introduce over bearing taxes? It hasn't pushed him to introduce tolls on the roads? It hasn't pushed him to deport non-indigenes who enjoy the FREE education.

In Lagos, Fashola has spent 7 years trying to complete a 50KM road, which is tolled at every 10km interval. He still unable to complete Lagos - Badagry expressway after 6 years . He builds schools with support from corporate bodies, yet education isn't free, rather LASU students have to pay 300K as school fees. He hasn't been able to provide water for even 40% of Lagosians because we all know everyone including you drink from private bore hole. The security vehicles and gadgets he donates to the police are from donations of coporate bodies. Even the so-called BRT u guys brag about which to me is just a glorified Molue, you guys still pay to use it. Everything the Govt provides for you from this budget, the citizens pay for it,.
Now going back to your population argument, if Lagos state has the 15mill population as you claimed, it means recovering the investment used in providing these amenities should be faster and the burden on the citizens should be lesser, but has this been the case in Lagos?
For example, how much would it cost Lagos state govt to complete a 50KM road ? Let's say at 1 billion a kM, that should amount to 50Billion, now how much has LASG collected so for from the toll plazas for 3 years now? If LASG is a responsive Govt, dedicating 18Bill annually from a 499Bill budget for 3 years would had completed that road without any resultant impact on the citizens.

Besides I forgot to remind you that LASG still owes 610Bill despite all these, yet Akwa Ibom state only owes just 80Bill!!

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Prof. Ogogoro:


Your comment stinks of superb unintelligence and a worrisome lack of analytical ability.

A. Five people occupy two-bedroom apartment
B. One person occupies a two-bedroom apartment

Which of the above will need more frequent maintenance??

Which of the above will depreciate faster??

Which of them will have more frequent cases of facilities breakdown??

Since the day you chickened out of a debate, I knew rational and logical thought was never your strong-point so I'm not surprised...

Let's also assume the occupants of the flats u narrated above both earn the same amount,

Which of the 2 flats should be better furnished as a result of the combined income of the occupants?

Even, as a result of more income by the 2 guys sharing d same flat, the financial burden on each of them when doing maintenance of broken down facilities should be less than the guy who stays alone and would be responsible for the total cost of repairs alone.

agbameta:


Show me any school where students don't pay school fees..

Btw way..






Levels dey may friend..

That website stated "web rankings" so stop spewing rubbish facts from your keyboard .

Students pay fees but no student should pay 300K for a public university and still go on strike like peeps who pay less than one tenth of that.

agbameta:


Adults drive cars, kids don't

Adults pay tolls, kids don't

So why charge little kids N1000 just to seek knowledge in a public Library..?


Do you have a sane and functioning brain at all?

And the ones paying 300K at LASU are what ? Higher kids?
Meanwhile even after extorting such amount from them, he could still allow them go on strike .

agbameta:



Yes, it's very beautiful, just too bad your kids can not enjoy it, but the same kids must pay akpabio N1000 to use the phoney library..


Very very smart indeed...

Isn't it better to pay N1000 for something you can use than pay tolls at every 10km for a 50km road that hasn't been completed even after 7 years . Or paying 300K for a State university .

Again I warn you stop displaying your ignorance.

just going through the various comments from agbameta and demdem , it just proved how shallow the reasoning of these kids are. first I can't believe a reasonable person would criticise this project embarked by a state government to complement the efforts of the FG. If all tiers of government were to complement each other in development projects instead of competing, Nigeria would develop faster and we would stop throwing our frustration to the FG.

Even though it's a prison facility , it looks better than most schools their paymasters built in 6 years .Just so you know Akpabio isn't as loud mouthed like your Fashola idol who goes on international TV to commission street lights. This facility had since been completed and put to use over 2 years ago and no one heard any noise.

Another funny thing about your posts are where you claim Akpabio kept his family in Lagos because its safer than uyo. Are you really this dumb or your just ignorant due to the fact you have never travelled outside Lagos ? Let us even assume that Uyo isn't safe, didn't your sense tell you that he would prefer Abuja over Lagos of all places.

My brother stop displaying your ignorance in public, it makes people think your brain cells are soaked with urine.

agbameta:

What a clown you are. So we shouldn't have street lights because our incompetent dullard was not the president 50, 30, 20, 10 years ago, but the power situation got worse under his dumb assss..?

Dullards indeed think alike for real.

The whole world is talking about and celebrating Eko Atlantic in your country with daily news articles, but your sorry and pathetic ass is mad because Eko Atlantic is not in your tribal village.... What a loser. No wonder your village remains backward.

.....you still didn't answer why he quickly rushed to switch on street lights, but till today unable to complete a meagre 50Km tolled - road even after 7yrs . If that isn't cluelessness , I wonder what is

agbameta:

Switching on lights was a great triumph over 50 plus years of federal incompetence and neglect. We refuse to let the dullard keep us in darkness forever...

...... stop making yourself look stupid even though its obvious you are. Has this President ruled for 50 years? He rushed to switch on street lights yet cannot complete an ordinary 50Km road after 7yrs even though he's collecting huge tolls from it daily.

Besides talking of idleness, If I can recall correctly , someone opened a thread to celebrate Eko Atlantic city on the homepage of MSN.

agbameta: Den erect fence, what a wonderful achievement....lawd have mercy....lmao

This is a clear demonstration of incompetence and idleness, every little thing becomes monumental to the shallow and incompetent...

but switching on street lights for a bad road is a landmark achievement !!!! Shameless hypocrite

MostIncredible.DFirst:
What u've stated above is completely in error, false n misleading, n gives d impression dat u're a paid propaganda agent of d govt, except u wanna tell me u landed in akwa ibom just recently. In as much as i salute and commend Gov. Akpabio 4 consolidating on d infrastructural developments which his predecessor started, it will be very uncharitable 2claim & insult d intelligence of a proud Akwa Ibom son like me dat d transformation in Akwa ibom started just in 2007. In specific terms however, Akpabio may be commended 4d developments dat have taken place in ikot ekpene zone & in some suburbs of Uyo, includin all his ambitious signature projects. But it is on record dat all major civil works in uyo including major dual-carriage roads, new housing estates in osong ama, shelter afrique et al, as well some other signature projects like Uyo-Plaza, Le Meridien hotel, et al; were on ground even before 2003. But d difference lies in d fact dat d former governor did not showcase his deeds 2d outside world as akpabio is doing thro his "uncommon transformation tv-program" showing on national networks, as well as d guided-tours which he conducts for all high-profile guests 2d state. So pls desist from makin such annoying comments dat are false.

My brother I thought by now we should be tired of this comparison between Attah and Akpabio . Both governors reigned under different atmospheres . First we cant deny the fact that Attah was father of modern Akwa Ibom, while Akpabio pursued that vision rigorously and passionately with his eyes for excellence .Attah didn't have the money Akpabio had, but he fought for the resources of the state, Akpabio was lucky to meet this boom in funds and aggressively pursued the dream of Attah .
It will be wicked to lie that Akpabio has just done few roads in Uyo. Lemme refresh your memory of few uyo roads undertaken by Akpabio .
3rd Ring Road
Dualization of Oron road from Mbiabong to Airport
Aka Road to Nung Udoe
Osong Ama roads
Ewet Housing roads currently undertaken by Mothercat
Urbanization of Ikpa road junction by Ikot Ekpene road
Urbanization of Brooks street junction by barracks road and Nwaniba road
Urbanization of Edet Akpan Avenue junction by Nwaniba road
Calabar - Itu road
Dualization of Ekom Iman to Abak
Dualization of Uyo to Ikot Ekpene

Please let's remove hate and sentiments and say things as they are, Akpabio has completed more KM of roads than the entire 8years of Attah and we don't expect less because he has far more resources than Attah and let's not forget came in when we had a nascent democracy and had to spend time and resources stabilizing the polity. Why I appreciate Akpabio is because he hasn't spared anything to bring quality infrastructures of world standards to Akwa Ibom.

Before you start to call me a paid agent, Note I am a full blooded Ibibio man and say things as they are.

@Ujoinme : Nice work Bro for keeping the thread alive. Am sorry Iv not had time to get the pictures I promised you, I have been busy with other engagements in Calabar and Aba , besides the weather too hasn't been encouraging cos it rains all day here.

I think we should also try and draw the FG's attention to the deplorable state of Calabar - Itu highway and Aba - Ikot Ekpene road. These roads are terrible especially the Aba - Ikot Ekpene road. The governors of these states should use these projects to bargain from FG whenever they come campaigning . Meanwhile I expect the governors to try and ameliorate the suffering of motorists by doing some repair works at the failed spots . We know Akpabio had reconstructed some segments of this Calabar - Itu highway, and Imoke has used his meagre resources to do the very bad spots , but T.A. Orji hasn't done anything on the Aba - IK road. The Aba part of that road has totally collapsed and its gradually crippling economic activities on that axis .

Lastly this is an educative and informative thread so you will do well to ignore stupid trolls such as Eko Ile or Agbameta or whatever the ignorant fool chooses to answer . The dude is just so unhappy that despite the plenty praise and worship stories of Fashola , he's unable to compile such a thread like this with pictures , rather he takes pictures of VI and Lekki but can't show us pix of the wooden bridge he crosses at Ikola when leaving his house at Iyana Ipaja.

dartsidius7:

your calculation is hilarious and ludicrous. .. a million passages per day. I wont even try to argue with you, cause, I really don't think its worth it.



Thank you very much chief. your comment is the most reasonable one here. All we have on this thread are a bunch of silly and ignorant peeps speculating about a concession agreement that they don't even know the content. Some people don't even know that LCC means lekki concession company and not construction company, some don't even know what a buyback means. Just like the guy that you have been arguing with, Without any form of traffic count, he came up with that absurd calculation. But the totality of the blame does not fall on those arguing blindly. The thing is, our leaders are also to blame, cos, there is a level of corruption, that makes all acts of governance seem like fraud, and I believe that we have attained that level.

Perhaps you didn't look well you would have seen I used 500, 000 cars and not a million as you speculated.
However let's just say I am wrong, please give us a conservative traffic count that we can use in this analysis . Its a public forum where we debate ideas not a motor park where people throw insults .

I await your own conservative traffic count. Thanks

software man:
the agreement is, if you care for the truth was meant to be implemented in phases. I really do not think you understand the basic issues here, but all I see you do is the usual propaganda.it was not the govt money that was used to expand the phase toll was being collected for, it was the concession company's money.
the buy back is to enable govt have better flexibility in terms of policy and involves the remaining phases of the concession agreement.
what is obvious here is that the concession company that has borrowed money to carry out this agreement is having difficulty recouping it's investment and funding the. remaining phase of the contract
being the first major concession agreement to even have being able to experience any modicum of sucess in this country, I believe important lessons have being learnt.
the assertion you made that the state government has being ripped off of 7.5 billion is a complete deliberate lie except you are saying the concession company has not done any work with its own money.

I agree that like every concession agreement between govt and the private sector, this one has its issues as well, but twisting facts and making wide allegations about fraud is complete nonsense .

You can tell yourself anything that makes you happy.

Ask yourself these questions .....
What is supposed to be the total cost of the 50km road ?
What is the value of what has been constructed so far?
How much have they realised via tolls and adverts for just 3 years?
Why are they being paid 7billion ?

Answer those questions quietly in your heart.

software man:

What precisely is the point of your post?
Unless you have access to the details of the concession agreement contract,you are just speculating which is what i do not want to do here. I know that in most concession agreements the smart thing is to define it in phases to enable the concession company to start recouping their investment as the work moves along.

Do not forget that a concession agreement involves a private company investing it's own resources upfront and wait for a period of time to recoup by collecting daily toll. it usually involves the management and maintenance. Unless you have a copy of the contract than like i stated earlier you are just speculating.

believe me, you are the one confused here. Just tell me what the scam is here. it will be easier for any one to award a contract , and inflate it , use government money to execute it and smile to the bank.concession contracts are usually financed by international financial institutions and these people would not jeopardize their money without doing proper due diligence.

let me try breaking it down lower for your comprehension!!!

What is the cost of construction the 50KM Lekki road?? I dont know neither do you. Lets speculate based on the rates of similar road projects within the same geopolitical zone. We know roads are constructed at an average of 1 billion per KM in south western states. Lets just say this road is to be a very very super road, hence its rate is 1.5 Billion per KM, hence the total cost of the project should be 75 billion.

Now how many KM of the road has been completed? you can answer it and multiply by 1.5Billion

Now how much has been generated from this road for the past 3 years. Lets be conservative and say about 500,000 vehicles pass that toll every day out and into lekki. lets say an average of N150 (this is conservative knowing most of this would be buses and SUVs)
hence total amount generated daily ..
500,000 X 150 X 2 times daily = 150 million daily
150 mill X 360 days X 3 years = 162 billion

How much is generated from adverts on all the bill boards? Lets just say 500 million annually so in 3years that is 1.5 billion
Total amount received = 163.5 billion
Total amount spent = ?? billion
Total Cost of complete road = 75 billion
Amount refunded back to concessionaire = 7 billion

Do you now see the fraud?

software man:

i answered your questions but you did not understand. so i will try again.

How many years will it take Lagos to complete a 50Km road that is tolled at every 10km interval ?

The number of years it takes to build any particular lenght of road depends on a good number of factors that i as outsider cannot answer.

The road in question is a concessioned road thereby funding shouldnt be an issue because the consessionaire is expected to sorce funds and complete the road quickly. The has been no force majore or war which has prevented the work from progressing. Even if the contractor is to be constructing 10Km of the road every year they ought to had completed by now. (2006-2013) . This is a failure and as a citizen its your right to demand an explanation

Lagos spends over 500 billion annually for about 14 years, can you sincerely point out to infrastructures worth this amount?

haba. in 1999, the entire lagos budget was 1 billion naira only.Even though this increases every year as a result of superb economic management of the tinubu / fashola administation , it only came to 492 billion this year.
secondly, the budget of a state does not go into building infrastructure alone( workers salaries,recurrent expenditures,education, health, environment etc) are included. so your question makes no sense whatsoever.


Let us ignore the budget up to 2007. let us take 2007 -2013 for purposes of this argument. the budget during this period have ranged from 300 billion to 500 billion, so we can conservatively say 350 billion is the average budget for this six years. let say LASG has a ratio of 50:50 for recurrent expenditure vs capital expenditure even though this is outrageously high because the FG operates 65:35 despite carrying the burden of security, foreign responsibilities and other things which states do not bear.
350 bill X 6 years = 2.1 trillion
50 % for capital projects = 1.05 trillion
Now let us take a budget performance of 65% as you stated below,
65% of 1.05 trillion = 682.5billion
Can you now point out to infrastructure in Lagos worth 682.5 billion that has been constructed in Lagos within the past 6 years? Note i have not included donations/ support from private bodies neither have I included the 610 billion loan.

thirdly,The fact that you budget a particular amount in a year does not mean that you will realise that same amount.(while the budget performance of the tinubu / fashola administration avarages 65% in the past fourteen years, the PDP federal govt has being abysmally less than 30% on the average.)

There are current plans to reduce the burden of Lagos ports (both seaport and airport ), this would result in decreased revenue , except the Govt increases the current tax burden , how do they intend to repay the 610 billion debt if by now that things are good, the govt is still planning to increase its borrowing ?

The statement 'There are current plans to reduce the burden of Lagos ports (both seaport and airport ), this would result in decreased revenue' makes no sense to me. are you saying that the government is planning to reduce economic activities in the lagos and apapa seaport? What percentage of duties from ports and airport which is collected by the the federal government comes to the lagos state government?

Don't look at this statement from a myopic view point.Look at it from the bigger picture. If for example 500 people usually pass through Lagos due to the ports, hence spend $1000 daily , with the opening of several other ports, now that patronage is reduced to 300 people who spend same $1000 daily. Now LASG revenue should be as a result of monies spent within its territory, and now that has reduced , therefore its revenue would reduce.

A government that increases its internally generated IGR by nothing less 200% every year for the past fourteen years and that is projecting 40 billion monthly IGR within the next two years does not have to worry about a debt profile of 610 billion.


How has the government increased its IGR? Has it increased its source of income or it rather increase the burden of taxation? If you are knowledgeable in finance you would know that increase in tax burden generally leads to a reduction in population hence reduction in business activities. If other cities provide the same infrastructures and ports of entry, whilst maintaining a lower tax regime, people will naturally tend to migrate to those cities. Watch out the migration to enugu cos of the Airport and Akwa Ibom cos Ibaka port.

The important thing is to continue to invest in infrastructural development,security etc in order to continue to attract private sector investments(which is the major engine of growing a mega city world wide).
The state of new york and California in the US are richer than most countries and still carries debts totalling billions of dollars.

I hope i have now answered your questions.

i hope I have beeen able to wake u up. I these explanations dont wake you up, my brother nothing else will

software man:
first, you show complete ignorance or deliberate mischief right of the bat by not understanding what budgets are and what a concession arrangement is.
basically, the big idea behind the lekki concession is to transit from infrastructural development to investment. of is the concessiomaire's money that builds the infrastructure and manages it for a given period of time to recover its money and make some profit. there is no govt money involved and therefore no budget..

the second incredibly stupid part of your post is the implication that the entire budget of Lagos state for the year was meant fto build or buy back the lekki expressway.
The actual figure for the buy back that the govt is seeking a supplementary budget for , even when clearly stated , is invisible to you.

please let us have a proper discussion on polo y matters and stop all this obsession with tinubu. it seems this obsession is beclouding your thinking and making you write meaningless jargon.

since you couldn't answer my questions I asked earlier , let me reduce this concession fraud to the level you would understand .

The concession agreement is supposed to run for an agreed period of time during which the concessioniare is supposed to construct and continuously maintain the road infrastructure for the period stated in the agreement . He is to recover his investments by tolls and other services on the road.

Now coming back to Lekki road, the concessioniare isn't recovering any investment from the tolls , rather they are generating funds that would be used in constructing the road. Why am I saying this? You recover your investment if the road had been completely constructed , but in this case the road hasn't been completed yet users are being tolled.

Now the Government wants to do something, wouldn't they have just cancelled the contract due to non performance / breach of contract by the concessioniare , rather they want to buy back the concession agreement with 7 billion .

Ask yourself how much has the concessioniare invested so far on the road? How much have they generated by way of tolls and advert on the uncompleted road? So why are you still paying them 7 billion instead recovering money from them?

My brother wake up and smell the coffee , Lagosians have been scammed by one of the greatest scam artists in Africa.

By the way who tolls a road leading to a predominantly residential area without providing an alternative toll free road?

software man:
first, you show complete ignorance or deliberate mischief right of the bat by not understanding what budgets are and what a concession arrangement is.
basically, the big idea behind the lekki concession is to transit from infrastructural development to investment. of is the concessiomaire's money that builds the infrastructure and manages it for a given period of time to recover its money and make some profit. there is no govt money involved and therefore no budget..

the second incredibly stupid part of your post is the implication that the entire budget of Lagos state for the year was meant fto build or buy back the lekki expressway.
The actual figure for the buy back that the govt is seeking a supplementary budget for , even when clearly stated , is invisible to you.

please let us have a proper discussion on polo y matters and stop all this obsession with tinubu. it seems this obsession is beclouding your thinking and making you write meaningless jargon.

You don't need to throw insults up and down to make your point. I asked simple questions and you are replying questions I never asked.

My questions are these......

How many years will it take Lagos to complete a 50Km road that is tolled at every 10km interval ?

Lagos spends over 500 billion annually for about 14 years, can you sincerely point out to infrastructures worth this amount?

There are current plans to reduce the burden of Lagos ports (both seaport and airport ), this would result in decreased revenue , except the Govt increases the current tax burden , how do they intend to repay the 610 billion debt if by now that things are good, the govt is still planning to increase its borrowing ?

Those simple questions you couldn't answer, yet you went about insulting your parents who couldn't teach you how to argue objectively in a public forum .