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Cowards. . . .

Where is Mr toba?? Why is it taking so long??

Pilgrim1 is very much around. . . . Everyone knows. No doubt about it

waladis:
Why don't you guys sit back, relax and watch how the thread goes instead of criticizing the poster for criticizing sake. The thread might mean nothing to you guys but it could mean something for many other people out there.  Moreover, anyone can meet their life partner anywhere, if people can chat and make friends online, exchange phone numbers and meet at their leisure then anything is possible. I believe that most people would rather prefer to meet their life partner in a religious forum than in a night club or parties. Please, please, please, stop negative  comments that could discourage others from making the best use of this thread. Thread is good or not, it's not the right of anyone to judge that, if you don't like the thread, keep your opinion to yourself and simply Vamoose, Live and let live ,.,.,.PERIOD

If you're looking for a wife, go out to the real world dude. . . .

^^
Yes, perhaps. . .coz i dont see no ''humanitarian'' crisis in gaza

yelanst:
MR HARAKIRI,U WANTED  EVIDENCE THAT ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT GOD EXIST AND THAT THE BIBLE IS REAL. THINK ABOUT THIS ANCIENT BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN REVIEWED FOR MANY CENTURIES, BUT, STILL REMAINS CURRENT NOW AND, UNDOUBTLY, MANY YEARS TO COME. MOST OF THE PHYSICS AND CHEM TEST BOOKS U READ ARE BEING REVIEWED ANNUALLY TO MAKE THEM CURRENT.
(1) THINK ABOUT GODS PROMISE TO ISREAL OF MAKING THEM GREAT AND UNDEFEATABLE IN ANY WAR THE FIGHT. IS THAT HAPENNING TODAY OR NOT?
(2)SERVERAL THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, JESUS SAID THAT AT THE END TIMES, NATIONS SHALL RISE AGAINST NATIONS AND KINGDOMS AGAINST KINGDOM, FAMINES, TRIBULATIONS, EARTHQUAKES, ETC. I BELEIVE U DO  KEEP ABREAST WITH THE PRESENT DAY PHENOMENA.
(3)  READ ECCLESIASTES 9:11,  "THE RACE IS NOT FOR THE SWIFT, ". DID YOU EVER BELIEVE THAT FRANCE AND ITALY, THE TWO SEMI-FINALIST PLAYERS IN THE LAST EDITION OF THE WORLD CUP, WILL NOT MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND  IN TIS EDITION OF THE WORLD CUP.
(4) "THE SWORD SHALL NOT DEPART FROM YOUR HOUSE". TILL DATE HAS THE SWORD DEPARTED FROM THE HOUSE OF DAVID AS A RESULT OF THE KILLING OF URIAH.(DONT ASK ME FOR DETAILS, DO SOME RESEARCH.)
(5)"I WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS YOU AND CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE YOU". GERMANY LOST THE 2ND WORLD WAR SIMPLY B/C THE PROSECUTED AND KILLED OVER SIX MILLION JEWS. AMERICA IS BLESSED TODAY SIMPLY B/C THE ALWAYS FIGHT FOR THE JEWISH COURSE. BESIDES, TODAY YOU WILL SEE WITH ME THAT THE JEWS ARE PROSPEROUS IN WHATEVER THE DO. MOST AMERICAN SCIENTISTS ARE JEWS. THESE DUDES ARE BLESSED B/C GOD BLESSED THEM THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO AND IT IS STILL MANIFESTING IN THEM TILL DATE.
MY FRIEND, THINK ABOUT ALL THIS. FOR THE FACT THAT THIS SO CALLED HEBREW MYTH( ACCORDING TO SOME POSTERS) CALLED THE BIBLE SILL FINDS RELEVANCE AFTER THOUSANDS OF YEARS ATTEST TO THE FACT THE AUTHOR MUST BE A SUPERNATURAL BEING. THANK YOU.

Is this a joke or what??

dominique:
!!!

Good. . .now you've learned to shut up.
Wasnt so hard, was it?

dominique:
!!! don't ever comment on my post except i mention your username capish?

shut up!!!!

bros1234:
Scientific proof of God's existence,

I didnt want to get too far with this argument but these Harakiri, Tudor and co is pushing me to get back to my archives instead of my marketing job. My first input on proving the existence of God scientifically is for you guys to consider these arguments

First - The sincere seeker on whether God exists must assume a position of neutrality.  we first have to deal with our philosophical predispositions. If, for example, I am already dedicated to the philosophical idea that nothing can exist outside of the natural realm  no amount of evidence could convince me otherwise.

If we accept the first point then i would go ahead to raise two arguments

1.  the non-existence of God cannot be proven. One cannot prove a universal negative. Alternatively, the existence of God is provable.

2. The concept, design, and intricate details of our world necessitate an intelligent designer. Read about the concept of Intelligent design here- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

3. Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, there is still enormous debate as to the possiblity of life  evolving naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?

*YAWN*
Not agan. . . .nice try dude. . . .

Without even going into the ridiculosities of these so called ''scientific proof'' of yours, I'll have you know that every religionist from the Ifa worshipper to the muslim can use this excuses as proof for their god.

I was hoping you'd come in with a fresh angle and scientifically prove YAWEH is the creator of the universe. Thank you

4.The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
In philosophy we do agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard.[b] So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?

Guys lets cut these crap and accept the obvious.

And and and and and dont push me man. Many of us Christians have seen all these your arguments, compared and contrasted and accepted the truth. I dont want to get back to school and pick my philosophy books pls

There is God

Arrant nonsense. . . . The notion of Right and wrong is totally dependent on society.

We are not born with morality neither are we born with a conscience. So to claim it  magically comes from above is just funny.

A muslim child brought up and taught that its okay to kill christian infidels will ready do so and feel no guilt because its what he has been taught as right.

Different societies have different moral standards. Morality isnt static but dynamic i.e it changes

Pastor AIO:
I belong with God.

Pastor AIO:
I belong with God.

simple!!

^^^
shut up

^^^
shut up.

@topic

What the hell does kill a topic mean??

Retards.

bondxie:
@ Tudor and Harakiri

Am sure if any scientist comes with a theory now to proof that God reside in Moon, U will surely believe. Cos everything to u is being measure by what science say, nosense.

Emm, unlike religion scientific theories are made with evidence unlike religion where you're told to believe at all cost.

^^

Which humanitarian crisis??

doubleroti:
@ Tudor

Firstly, I wonder why you are so passionate about this issue, it really beats me, you really should calm down, The things of the spirit can not be comprehended by the human mind,however i am hoping these words being shared can get you to think outside the box.You said :

"Mr man, dont decieve yourself. . . As long as you went to a place looking to have your life problems solved and get rich, as soon as those things are taken away or you dont get them you are gone to seek alternatives"

Once again you display your ignorance and canality, when a man due to a need rushes to God, he exposes him/herself to the possibility of getting saved, if and when he does, he becomes a new man, he finds in God someone greater than the world, greater than any of his needs both present and future, he is no longer controlled by those needs but by the love of God. Sadly you possibly won't understand that feeling, so you can stay on the outside and keep analyzing this.

Lastly to you and everyother person, In life there are people who enjoy the benefits of what has been freely made available for everyone, while there are some who criticize, analyze and spend their lifetime looking for holes, the decision on which side of the divide we choose to stay lies with us all, I pray you choose wisely.

Wow @ the bolded. . . . Wouldnt it be all wonderful if ALL or even majority of christians turned out like this?

Sadly you and I know that is pure BS when compared with the realities on ground.

True a few christians might have ''becomes a new man, he finds in God someone greater than the world, greater than any of his needs both present and future, he is no longer controlled by those needs but by the love '' but hey, it isnt all exclusive to christianity is it? There are buddists, muslims and hindus who have become ''new men'' ''and found something greater than their material needs'', ''no linger controlled by those needs but by love'' etc - it goes to show you all men are capable of such ''enlightenment'' its independent of any god or gods.

Jephyard:
@ Tudor
Pleas get down to your Bible and see the modification yourself.
Jesus did not abolish the moral and ethical laws that had been in effect from the time of Moses (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 16:16-17). He affirmed and expanded upon those principles, but He said obedience must be from the heart (attitudes and intentions) rather than just technical observance of the letter of the law (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-44, etc.).
In contrast to the "clean" and "unclean rules," Jesus said no food can defile a person. It is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23). that is the modification.

This is just confusing. . . .

The ''clean'' and ''unclean'' rules who gave them, if not god?

Or is it during the time of jesus that ''bad attitudes and actions'' suddenly made a person unholy?

Why the modification? It was clearly an abolishment of the ''clean'' unclean'' rules and that equals CHANGE.

God said I CHANGETH not.
Two things are involved here;

1. god is a bloody liar and can change

2. Jesus was a bloody liar , god cannot and has not changed hence why orhodox jews will be right to obey old testament rules.

''An eye for an eye'' is pretty different from ''turn the other cheek'' - infact its such a radical turnaround in rules that anyone who denies this wanthon CHANGE is clearly deceiving himself

On the issue God chose Isreal remember Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and Isaac were not Isrealite though it started from their decendant. God was finding one man and it generation that will be a transit point for all and that person happen to be Jacob aka Israel. Thru this man we ve Christ if it would have been us i don't know what would have happen but am sure we will kind of end the thing with ourselve not spreading the news around. Take for instance why are not all the players that are playing football in Nigeria and abroad taken, atleast there so many of them but the game require twelve but the best of the crop at to be taken n the others left to learn from them.

Noah, abraham, enoch etc ARE ALL directly linked to the jewish lineage and infact made up by the jews. Just the same way the yorubas trace their history to oduduwa and lamurudu.

Its no suprise that somehow their god ''chose''' abraham their ancestor the same way orunmila ''choose'' oduduwa.

When you are inventing a god surely it must be said to choose your own people afterall why invent a god for other people?

About the love got display in old testament also remember that everykingdom has it own religion then apart from Isreal and whoever is not for the god of other nation will be put to death. The old time is diffrent from what we ve today and their way of reasoning then is diffrent too, so God was God of War, if you are against His selected one you die n no salvation thru Christ then.

This is just wierd. . . . So there was no salvation thru' christ, whose fault was that??

You have come to steal my land and I'm supposed to just move over and let you?

Is that what a loving god will do? Send you to go steal, murder, plunder and arson to get a promised land? When free land abound allover the earth?

On Pharoah, God was using it to show the magnitude of His Power to those He want to rescue because God knows those He wants to free will take Him and what He has done for them for granted afterall He will come n rescue us He has no choice, they have to learn it the hard way . If you could remember whenever the Isrealite sin there is always this saying in the Bible of Old He freed you from captivity in Egypt so get the point why He did it, no pain no gain.

So, controlling pharoah like a robot so he can continue to punish, torture and eventually kill first borns, was done to show magnitude of power?

Not only does this rubbish the free-will argument one would have to ask, if pharoah had been left alone and he'd let the isrealites go without god repeatedly hardening his heart, what will it take away from the story??

I find it very difficult to relate such a character with love.

Then again, i even wonder what pharoah did wrong. The israelites were allowed to keep slaves so slavery according to your god isnt a sin.

On wherether man created God in His own image or not. If I may ask you something What do you thing If I ask you who is your Mother to you, record it and listen to it, will that mean you created your mother in your own image. Look up soldier you will only subscribe to what you understand and remember you meant this whole thing here n if u think it all messd up then show us the way out.

The way out? Use your brains and look out there rather than waiting for a dead white carpenter to come save you.

nuclearboy:
@Tudor:

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Above is what my Bible says.

In Gen 1:6, it says He separated the waters below from those above. What was happening in the period between the Spirit "moving" upon the face of the waters above and the separation? At least we know of ONE thing - He created Light. So tell me what else happened, Tudor and over what period of time? Note that light and darkness had not yet been separated so how do you quantify His "DAY" to be one light and one darkness combination? For you needs must quantif that day to be your own definition to be able to say the 6 days means six "man" days!

How, do I quantify it?
Well let me tell you, the God dude who sad he created the earth surely does not need light and darkness to measure the expanse of a day does he?

One would think as stated in genesis 1 :14 the light was created for US to tell signs, seasons and day and night. Does god in all his supposed power and might need light to tell seasons, day etc?

In giving the story to moses he did know the time frame he created the earth whether he had created the tool for measurement or not.

So when god explictly said in Exodus 20 :11 that he created the heaven and earth in SIX DAYS surely he knows what the hell he is talking about, doesnt he? Or are you saying god was lying?

This is even besides the ridiculosity of the lights created on the 3RD day, this would mean the sun and moon were created on the 3rd day and we all know from science the sun is far older than the earth.

And then, how can plants and herbs (day 2) be created before sunlight (day 3) ?? Have you ever heard of photosynthesis?

Omo, the whole story just tire person.

bros1234:
Another true word

Fact is these guys - Harakiri and Tudor are living in serious fear. Hence they ar lookin for alternative to God. Pity, there is none

I dont know whether to laugh or cry at this silly statement.

Who is afraid, the dude who worships an egocentric entity called yahweh coz he doesnt wanna go to hell or the smart guy who does not believe the ridiculous jewish myths?

doubleroti:
@ Harakiri,

You have expressely stated that people go to church because of what they can get, be it healing,wealth etc. Well i will tell you categorically that i got saved over 10 yrs ago when i was hooked on drugs and on my way out of school, Yes, i needed help and ran to church, I ran to the church that i knew nothing about, I got salvation that embodies more than what led me there in the first instance.

My point, if our problems and issues are the catalysts that lead us to God, then my man, it well would be worth it. The western countries that you have mentioned are enslaved by their freedom, look around and u will realize this. Remember the words of Jesus "it will be easier for an elephant to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to see the kingdom of God"  know why, because the wealthy man has no needs, he trusts and believes in himself, Mark my words, we thrive in our frailties.

Mr man, dont decieve yourself. . . As long as you went to a place looking to have your life problems solved and get rich, as soon as those things are taken away or you dont get them you are gone to seek alternatives,

its basic truth. Humans are basically selfish and the only thing that takes them and keeps them in god are the so called ''rewards''. Either rewards that they'll be rich, problem free or live and enjoy forever.

Religion appeals to the ''selfish'' interest of man and anything that appeals to narcissism is unworthy of being called 'godly'.

Last word, Have you noticed that you have done so much research and put so much effort only to be negative and "destructive" I don't think thats a way to live.

if so much research hadnt been done and found out the negative and ''destructive'' conclusion that diseases were caused by germs instead of ''evil spirits'' as your bible would have us believe, I wonder if you'd be alive today.

nuclearboy:
^^^ And if Cars are considered "cool" and I say my wife is "cool", does that mean my wife is a car? 

You of all people understand what is at stake here and I offered you a source where ou could go to for more information if what I posted here was shallow for your understanding. Simple - God created heaven and earth. STOP cos that is one statement. His Spirit moved upon the face of the waters (which we later see created so where did the 1st come from) STOP as thats another statement. God created Light etc.

Tell me, Tudor, how long did the first statement take? How long did it take to create heaven and earth? And remember, days were not yet designed as morning and night as at the time heaven and earth were "created". That came LATER! Its in front of you.

Haba, God created heaven and earth, and the earth was without form and void.

Infact nowhere did it sate god created another water. He only divided it by creating land so i wonder which 1st water you're talking about.

Yes, Genesis consists of statements but i'm guessing for doubting thomases like you thats why it was said in Exodus 20 v 11 GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH IN SIX DAYS it unequivocaly stated the time frame

"For in SIX DAYS the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." (Exodus 20:11).

wetin again you dey yarn?

Jephyard:
@harakiri

Just straight to your point.

(1) The Holy Bible is straight to the point and will only give you details that will be of benefit to you. What you need to know and understand about God, God has given n not some botany, animal and prehistroy books for you to read.

Firstly, the so called ''holy bible'' is NOT from god. Rather a book compiled by the catholic church using their own discretion.

No God gave any man 66 books and said this is my word. Hundreds of different literatures were used as scriptures by the jews. If 66 other different books had been compiled and labbelled ''bible'' then you people woulda been singing a different song today.

(2) If you watch the news from your tv either local or international station do they mention all the people around for you to undestand what they are saying? The main character are used and not some lenghty talks or reading from a book on how this go and goes. Before the killing of Abel it took some years and during those years do you know what happen? So many things has happen before the killing of Abel.

Good! I like this analogy.

I only wish you would apply it and see that the so-called bible is Mainly a reporting of their history, culture, myths and tradition from the point of view of the jews.

Every society when recording their history do it from their own point of view.

Is it a coincidence that god's '''chosen'' people had to be jews? The same way Orinmilas people are yorubas and Zeus' chosen people Greeks or Ra' people are the Egyptians?

Every civilization had its own history, culture and traditions they developed around themselves. Somehow their gods favor them over all others and their needs bizzarely coincide with wants of god.

It isnt farfetched for a tribe without land to suddenly justify their stealing claim the land was 'promised' them by god.

I still cannot understand why the relationship with a so called creator of the universe will be based on a triviality like '' land'' when the whole earth is filled with free land but no, the 'lord' had to promise them the land people were already living therein, and to get it they are to go murder them all including women and children then keep the virgin girls for themselves.

Mehn, the only difference here is you've decidec to follow the myth invented by the jews.

(3) God is supernatural n how He work is beyond human comprehension all i can say about this is that God brought the animal to Noah and He created them. Have ever loved someone to the extend that what happen to the person also affect you so God speak to them same way out of the love for them not to be destroy and they obey n remember the animal are still perfect in their deed than human.

love indeed. . . . Pray tell, have you read the old testament and seen the ''love'' in plain display by yahweh?

(4) Christ came to modify the word of God in the New Testament that is better understanding n knowledge. The Old Testament is important just as the New Testament. Man is realy twisted the bible for it own gain n the twisted are the blind followers who read their bible to get understanding of this things.

What did christ come to modify? I thought god changeth not Or is god now a confused man?

(5) God give you choice either good or bad and not remote you like robot.God is not commited to know one but yet He works in a way as if all it actions are there for you to see. He is showing patience, mercy, love and a host of them so that when He take one one, No one will say He is unjust God. Remember we human are washing what God will do next and the Angels and Demon too so He is careful on what He does and systematically.

Ask pharoah in Exodus. . . . He had NO choice and god was hardening his heart like a robot, wat'd u have to say about that?

(6)God did not created any religion for us we did, our actions is left to us not God. Some men of God will protect their own interest.

Man created god and religion not the other way around

nuclearboy:
TUDOR is here! ! !

@Tudor:

At least I know you have the desire for truth - I didn't form the idea. Look up wikipedia! I no be 419 and am not saying my witness is in Kaduna. Look it up yourself and remember - we sef dey think.

Meanwhile, how runs?[size=4pt] sits back smiling and awaits tudor's characteristic belligerence which I don't mind. At least he wants truth and doesn't misintepret[/size]

Ha ha ha. Very funny
Indeed,  . . .  and its quite obvious the truth aint in the bible, isnt it?

Una sef dey think? Wetin u wan think again, someone said he created the world in six days, it's pretty straight forward. Its either the dude is lying or telling the truth.

And from scientific evidence we obviously know truth is outta the question.

nuclearboy:
Your first question was
Your presumption (and mistake) is that the YEC theory is the only one in Christianity. Young Earth creationism (YEC) is a form of creationism that asserts the Heavens, Earth, and all life were created by direct acts of God during a relatively short period, sometime between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago. Its adherents are those Christians and Jews who believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days, taking a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative as a basis for their beliefs.

However, there are other theories. these include the Gap theory, the progressive theory etc. To desist from writing a verbose theses here, let me summarize as best I know how quickly:

There is a gap between Genesis 1:1 (when God created the heavens and the earth) and Genesis 1:3 (when creation of the elements began). Nobody knows how long this period lasted for - a day, month, ten thousand years, a million years etc. During that time, all your fossils etc existed and formed. Now, the gap I mentioned is the point where the Bible says

"In the beginning ,  the earth was formless and void."

This is taken by Gap creationists to imply that the earth already existed, but had passed into decay during an earlier age of existence, and was now being "shaped anew". Note that this view is relatively consistent with mainstream science with respect to the age of the Earth.

That solves the puzzle of your first question yet remains Biblical except for those who insist the only theory is the YEC one. Should I proceed to question 2?

hey!! 419 419 419!!!

The way people try to marry science by fire by force with the rubbish in the bible is soo funny. . . . Which kain GAP?

Exodus 20:11
[b]"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." (Exodus 20:11).[quote][/quote]it clearly states here that in SIX DAYS the lord created the Heavens and EARTH.

So clearly its the bibles view that the earth is just 6 days older than mankind and not older than 10,000 years.

We all know this is a bloody lie. GAP ko, ADIDDAS ni

*hiss*
Another hungry fiction writer who claims to have been in hell. Mad men!

toba:
Mbanu, i didnt.

Only that i ve been busy chasing money all through yesterday outside my office thats why i didnt reply on time. Would oblige you soon.

Hopefully soon. . . But I leave you with the words of our lord jesus christ. . .

33."But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." (Matthew 6:33-34).

toba:
Dont start with your seldom nonsense. the scope here is about the comparison between ESU and satan. I earlier tried to bring in something else before Tudor said we should stick to the topic. Dont be silly and doing over syllabus.

Topic is: Yes, I Worship Esu, But I’m Not Satanic NO jehovah or God there

[size=15pt]Start a thread on jehovah being evil and im willing to discuss that with u together with other theist like viaro,david noetic[/size] etc if such haven't been thrashed out already

In the mean time, here is the scope
I cant find anything like jehovah in the above qoute.
Read between the lines

toba:
u have a serious challenge with your obsession with Christianity and God.

when i said u should start a thread i never implied Jehovah came out tops as it has been thrashed out to be so or any of the nonsense u posted above.

U deliberately read a different meaning to my post on 'Jehovah being more evil than all other gods'
then start the thread on same and lets see how it turns out this time, if trully jehovah is more evil than other gods

Emm, dude, did you miss the below post??

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=464089.msg6260899#msg6260899 date=1277203323]You are just plain retarded. what ''picture'' did you paint?

you just made claims you illiterate aszhole!!!

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1. can you pls back up your claim that esu does evil?

2. can you define what you mean by ''evil''. for eample is killing 'evil',  or is it only ''evil'' when satan does it? yahweh kills too, so tell us why yahweh is not same as satan.

3. Tell us HOW esu doing so-called ''evil'' and Satan doing ''evil '' too translates as them being the same character.
For example if the Greek god Chaos was said to be the foundation of all things, the Jews believe Yahweh to be the foundation of all things., Will it be safe to assume that since they both were said to be the foundation of all things, it therefore follows that the Greek god chaos = yahweh? And a worshiper of Chaos is by default a worshiper of yahweh?
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These are some salient issues you need to address for us to understand why you claim satan = esu.[/quote]There it is again. . . We await you to come defend your assertions intelligently.

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=465876.msg6264416#msg6264416 date=1277236332]yes the scriptures admonishes contentment and the warning is that those who pursue wealth run the risk of falling into temptations, It does not in any way say a christian or minister is not allowed to be rich.[/quote]1 thimothy chapters 3 and 6 contain criteria for one to be a preacher. What does the word ''FLEE'' mean to you? If the bible says FLEE from sin, what does that mean?

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=465876.msg6264416#msg6264416 date=1277236332]2corinthians 9:8
And God will generously provide all you need. Then you will always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others[/quote]i wonder where the above translation was gotten from, here is what is in my NIV bible,

"And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work." (2 Corinthians 9:.

Did you Notice the 'NEED' part? Needs are different from WANTS. You Need a car but do you really need 5 SUV's? You need a house but do you really need 5 Houses? You need a shirt, do you need £20,000 suits?

Phillipians 4:19 even says god will supply your NEEDS according to his glory. Your basic needs are met, why lust for more?

It all comes down to CONTENTMENT doesnt it?

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=465876.msg6264416#msg6264416 date=1277236332]Job 36:11
If they listen and obey God, they will be blessed with prosperity throughout their lives. All their years will be pleasant.[/quote]hmmm, here's what my NiV bible says. . .

11.If they obey and serve him, they will spend the rest of their days in prosperity and their years in contentment.

12. But if they do not listen, they will perish by the sword and die without knowledge." (Job 36:11-12).

Did you notice the CONTENTMENT?

But even then i still wonder why you people translate that prosperity to mean ''financial prosperity''. In verse 12 it clearly states what happens if they dont obey i.e ''perish by the sword'' and ''die without knowledge''.

Does ''perish by the sword'' and ''die without knowledge sound like the opposite of financial wealth to you?

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=465876.msg6264416#msg6264416 date=1277236332]Ecl 5:19
And it is a good thing to receive wealth from God and the good health to enjoy it. To enjoy your work and accept your lot in life--this is indeed a gift from God.[/quote]Mehn, you need to tell me the bible you're using. With the way these con men like Oyakhilome are already publishing their own bibles it wouldnt be far fetched to see them twisting verses therein to suit their scam. . . .

herez ECC 5 : 19 from my NIV

"Moreover, when God gives any man wealth and possessions, and enables him to enjoy them, to accept his lot and be happy in his work- this is a gift of God." (Ecclesiastes 5:19).

Ecc5 :19 from my KJV

"Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God." (Ecclesiastes 5:19).

One would think it was quite obvious that these verses say. Using ''Every Man whom God has given wealth'' or ''Moreover WHEN God gives a man wealth''.

Does this Not suggest that wealth and riches are sole perogative of god to give whomever according to his purpose?

Where are we asked to desire, demand and strive for it? Where does this verse say we should go to church every sunday to hear sermons on ''The seven keys to financial prosperity'' ''Divine secret to open heavens and riches'' and so on?

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=465876.msg6264416#msg6264416 date=1277236332]Deut 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth[/quote]What I see here is God being credited as the one who gives wealth, where did it admonish that we strive to be rich??
Or fast and pray to be billonaires??

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=465876.msg6263873#msg6263873 date=1277232288]Meaning what? The verse you conveniently quoted says "lover of money" this does not imply ministers of God cannot be rich,[/quote]Did you seriously read the two different quotes of scripture with all the enlarged fonts n' all I gave or are you just living in denial?

bTW, no one has said you cannot be rich, the scripture clearly admonishes people NOT to chase wealth the way these rogues preach wealth and prosperity claiming they are rewards for your giving and seeds. ''Oh give so that doors will open for you'', ''Sow seeds in pastors life, so your business will boom''

In 1 Timothy 6: 1-5 it clearly states we are to stay away from such teachers who teach ''gain is godliness'' and then goes on to say Godliness with CONTENTMENT is great gain.

Do you greedy basterds know the meaning of CONTENTMENT??

Down the chapter it discusses the problem with seeking ''wealth and money'' then closes in chapter 11 with a call to the ''man of god'' But thou man of God, FLEE THESE THINGS and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness''

where in the above did it say you should desire billions?

toba:
U a very complicated fool. AIO said we should draw up attributes of similarities and dissimilarities. A similarity between both is the evil picture i just painted. Do care to reason before making your posts?

All u do is just to come in here and repeat question  'are u educated' nonsense wise up

You are just plain retarded. what ''picture'' did you paint?

you just made claims you illiterate aszhole!!!

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1. can you pls back up your claim that esu does evil?

2. can you define what you mean by ''evil''. for eample is killing 'evil',  or is it only ''evil'' when satan does it? yahweh kills too, so tell us why yahweh is not same as satan.

3. Tell us HOW esu doing so-called ''evil'' and Satan doing ''evil '' too translates as them being the same character.
For example if the Greek god Chaos was said to be the foundation of all things, the Jews believe Yahweh to be the foundation of all things., Will it be safe to assume that since they both were said to be the foundation of all things, it therefore follows that the Greek god chaos = yahweh? And a worshiper of Chaos is by default a worshiper of yahweh?
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These are some salient issues you need to address for us to understand why you claim satan = esu.

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=465876.msg6260106#msg6260106 date=1277194031]Where does it say in the bible it is forbidden for a pastor to be wealthy?[/quote]"Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money." (1 Timothy 3:2-3).

(1 Timothy 6:5-11)

3.If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and[b] to the doctrine which is according to godliness; [/b]

4.He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

5.Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

6.[size=32pt] But godliness with contentment is great gain.[/size]

7.[size=16]For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. [/size]

8.[size=32pt]And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.[/size]

9. [size=32pt]"But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. [/size]

10.[size=16] For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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11. [size=32pt]But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness."[/size]

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toba:
U lack comprehension thats y you ran from answering my question.

Honestly its very shameful on your part

Isnt there a difference between 'AIO suggested we draw up a list of attributes'&'pastor suggested a list of similarities and so on '?  what are the so on u talking about?

What are you jamming about??

The onus lies with the two parties to draw up a list

ESU does evil

Satan does evil

Let me have your on attributes

WHAT?? This is your 'more to come'??
How does the above prove satan is ESU?
Do you have any idea how to engage in intelligent academic discussions?


You are a daft joker.

Long before AIO came up with the suggestion we straight thinking ones had already posted scholarly articles adressing the issue, jentwemi posted several links, i did one. The diety ESU have been well explained in them as well as a comparison with the satan character.

We await you to intelligently refute them.
Not come here with ''satan does evil, esu does evil'' like a retard. What a dumbazz donkey.