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Haahhhhaahahahaahh dis one na real madness. A poster replying to himself? rOTLMFAO!

Mavenbox/Inesqor it seems your madness never reach dis level ooo. . .theres still hope for you

InesQor:
*clears throat*

@Tudor and Chrisbenogor: I don not agree that the same holds for theists because as a theist, saying God exists is rather moot. It's a GIVEN. But your points have been seen, so I agree to disagree. Thanks and have fun.

What is this rubbish?

Do theists hold the view that God EXISTS or not?

So an atheist who takes the non-existence of God as 'Given' (whatever the hell that means), does the quote apply too?

Given ko, take away ni

How is that possible??
You wont even get an ENIAC for that amount

MyJoe:
Lol! Now I'm really curious why you think so^^^. But what do you know?

Edit: post redacted; classified information

I have a better 2015 plan for you. . . . Go and win the Middle East for christ and lets see how the Lord is going to be your ''strength''.

Start with Afghanistan first. . .i bet therez enough darkness there for you and jesus.

Akwasi:
Enough of the advice of these atheist. I don't need any more advice from you because you guys are so ignorant of the Bible. No wonder you don't believe anything in it.

Please fellow believers, drive in.

Did you go to school at all?

You have been asked to prove blacks originated from a Ham and you're running??

I thought you said it was ''fact''??

MyJoe:
So am I on this new area of e-whatever Tudor and some folks around here seem to be adept at. Sure freaks one out.

Hmmmmm. . .why are you so curious?
I doubt someone like you will have enemies. . .

Exactly the former!
Of she finds out, you're gonna make some hungry marriage counselor happy

nuclearboy:
Noetic?
This reminds me of something that came to mind after I peeked once/twice/thrice/"you get the idea" at Tudor's picture -

@Tudor:

Did you ever consider asking your vehicles manufacturer for a refund on installed airbags in your vehicle? You definitely do not need them, do you?

eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!
Does your wife know this??

noetic16:
I am happily single . . .but would not mind a one-off with you (if thats you on your profile)  

It is NOT Good that man be alone Gen2:18

unfortunately for you i'm betrothed

oight bro, I sincerely hope u are not.
.

You bet I'm not.

Deep Sight:
Now I'm curious.

Thanks o; I must take heed then. Truth be told, when you did mention the name of the company i used to work for, i concluded that one of the persons i did reveal my name to must have leaked. At that time there were only two people on NL i had communicated externally with and naturally i suspected one of them had been indiscreet. But I wasn't worried beacuse as tough and brutal as you come across i still imagine you a decent person in some odd way

Yes, o, thanks again.

Na wa. Heaven help me and the day i uttered those words on this forum.

ha ha
dont be so sure oo. . .i might be a serial killer for all u know

and oh, fear not, none of your contacts squealed on you.

Yes. . . .indeed.
If you sow unbelief in Allah, you shall reap punishment too, no?

No be today. . .

Ikibeh:
@Harakiri and Tudor,

You guys are something else, you need proof concerning the bible and God? I'm sorry for your lost souls, Plus you and tudor, minus you, God is still God. Take it or leave it.

The end is really near like the bible say in 1Timothy 4:1-2; Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Whether you Harakiri or you Tudor belive it or not, it doesnt change who GOD is, he is still God. You guys should be wondering how you were formed from your mothers womb, no science or watever has proved that, Its only God that knows, So if u dnt believe, and your waiting for any proof, i pray you wont wake up to see urself in hell one day and say like the rich young fool, HAD I KNOW,

*YAWN*
Every god out there from Allah to amadioha, to Ifa, to zeus etc all threaten unbelievers. . . . So whats new here??

Same old bullshiit.

^^^
Nuclearboy Tudor has thr.eeso.mes with only ME, MYSELF and I

Deep Sight:
Fair enough.

But all the same, much like Facebook, what really is the hullaballo about anonymity. . .so long as one is not advocating terrorism in one's posts, its really is neither here nor there if people do know who you are. If a person is not ashamed of the views that he or she expresses on this forum then there is no reason to be paranoid about anonymity.

Several people on this forum who i have never met actually know my real name . . .Jesoul, Krayola, M_Nwankwo, KunleOshob and your eminent self, amongst several others all know my name and email. And the sky has not fallen yet. So i think its all a tad bit exaggerated. I was once taken aback when Tudor correctly mentioned the name of my former employer - as i do not recall disclosing either my name or that to him/her - except that i work in telecommunications. That he/she knew that, and may or may not know anything else does nothing to harm me or my life.

Now think of all the politicians, entertainers, writers, TV personalities, radio personalities, businessmen and other public figures whose real names, real addresses, real line of work, and daily comments are known to virtually the whole world. Has the sky fallen on their heads? Just what percentage of them have been bothered by stalkers? I hope you see what i mean. Its really not a big deal for people to know who you are. That is, unless you have something to hide, or are ashamed of the views you have expressed.

By the way, when you do have some time do let me have another stab at redeeming my reputation at chess.

Your thorough knowledge of these folks and definite pronouncements regarding them is startling. Perhaps the affinity runs so deep as to suppose that you are all actually resident within one human body.

Dude, you'll be suprised how much I know about you. . .its pretty easy to find anyone these days. I just did a little research thats all.

Pls be careful bro, dont be so nonchalant. . . I was once hacked n attacked and had a quran sent to my home address by one pakistani I had an online spat with concerning islam. If he had sent a dangerous substance then what?

BTW, be careful who you disclose your personal info. With the way things are you can never be sure if the schitzo Inesqor isnt the same as Abuzola on NL.

When yawa gass, oneness of infinity no go help you ooooo

noetic16:
@ tudor

if u are the girl on your profile, then we need to hook-up ASAP

Ha! Noetic!! Sacrilege!
i thought you were married?
Now you wan commit adultery?

@ john.bee

welcome to nairaland. . , I am sure u are a Christian who once attended covenant university?

Na wa fo you oooo. . . . I am NOT john.Bee.
If I wanted to create a new ID it wouldnt be sooo obvious naa, i'm not mavenbox. . .you people should give me small credit abeg

[quote author=jesus. link=topic=467743.msg6296385#msg6296385 date=1277718518]U said above that it was on the trial of viaro thread that u declared that u are a female against the back drop of your earlier declaration of being a male no?[/quote]Again I ask, what have you presented that i've not said before?

Is this stunt of yours a ridiculous cry for attention?

Yes ethics and moral rules, that demands honesty, where ever and when ever.

Indeed. . .since ''ethics and moral rules, that demands honesty'' apply here, why didnt u in all honesty register with your real name? Or is your legal name jesus? Hypocrite

I have just joined the wagon of those doubting your true sex, but viewing from a different angle. Im getting to a destination gradually and your response will land me safe on cannan side

Who gives a crap what you think??

I have said Tudor is female, una no wan hear. . .how is that my business??

Can u show me the link where toba said hes looking for a wife online? ( out of curiosity though its non of my business)

Since you were so jobless to go digging for irrelevant quotes from my posts, why dont you apply that talent and find where our own toba was soliciting for sexual partners on the religion board. . . . Who knows you might get lucky and land some a$$ for your Hot soul.

^^^
Your point is what exactly??
What have you presented that i've not stated here??

Why does my gender bother you?? Have I violated any rules??

What exactly is you people's problem? Are you also looking for online wife like toba??

Quote From : anietieh

IF IT really is the Word of God, the Bible should be harmonious, not contradictory. Why, then, do some passages seem to contradict others? To answer, we need to remember that, while the Bible is the Word of God, it was written down by a number of men over a period of several centuries. These writers had different backgrounds, writing styles, and gifts, and all these differences are reflected in the writing. Moreover, if two or more writers discuss the same event, one might include details that another omits. Additionally, different writers present the subject matter in different ways. One might write it down chronologically, while another might follow a different arrangement. In this chapter, we will present some alleged contradictions in the Bible and consider how they can be reconciled, taking the above considerations into account. Independent Witnesses Some “contradictions” arise when we have two or more accounts of the same incident. For example, at Matthew 8:5 we read that when Jesus came into Capernaum, “an army officer came to him, entreating him,” asking Jesus to cure his manservant. But at Luke 7:3, we read of this army officer that “he sent forth older men of the Jews to him to ask [Jesus] to come and bring his slave safely through. ” Did the army officer speak to Jesus, or did he send the older men? The answer is, clearly, that the man sent the elders of the Jews. Why, then, does Matthew say that the man himself entreated Jesus? Because, in effect, the man asked Jesus through the Jewish elders. The elders served as his mouthpiece. To illustrate this, at 2 Chronicles 3:1, we read: “Finally Solomon started to build the house of Jehovah in Jerusalem.” Later, we read: “Thus Solomon finished the house of Jehovah.” (2 Chronicles 7:11) Did Solomon personally build the temple from start to finish? Of course not. The actual building work was done by a multitude of craftsmen and laborers. But Solomon was the organizer of the work, the one responsible. Hence, the Bible says that he built the house. In the same way, Matthew ’s Gospel tells us that the military commander approached Jesus. But Luke gives the added detail that he approached him through the Jewish elders. IF IT really is the Word of God, the Bible should be harmonious, not contradictory. Why, then, do some passages seem to contradict others? To answer, we need to remember that, while the Bible is the Word of God, it was written down by a number of men over a period of several centuries. These writers had different backgrounds, writing styles, and gifts, and all these differences are reflected in the writing. Moreover, if two or more writers discuss the same event, one might include details that another omits. Additionally, different writers present the subject matter in different ways. One might write it down chronologically, while another might follow a different arrangement. In this chapter, we will present some alleged contradictions in the Bible and consider how they can be reconciled, taking the above considerations into account. Independent Witnesses Some “contradictions” arise when we have two or more accounts of the same incident. For example, at Matthew 8:5 we read that when Jesus came into Capernaum, “an army officer came to him, entreating him,” asking Jesus to cure his manservant. But at Luke 7:3, we read of this army officer that “he sent forth older men of the Jews to him to ask [Jesus] to come and bring his slave safely through. ” Did the army officer speak to Jesus, or did he send the older men? The answer is, clearly, that the man sent the elders of the Jews. Why, then, does Matthew say that the man himself entreated Jesus? Because, in effect, the man asked Jesus through the Jewish elders. The elders served as his mouthpiece.

To illustrate this, at 2 Chronicles 3:1, we read: “Finally Solomon started to build the house of Jehovah in Jerusalem.” Later, we read: “Thus Solomon finished the house of Jehovah.” (2 Chronicles 7:11) Did Solomon personally build the temple from start to finish? Of course not. The actual building work was done by a multitude of craftsmen and laborers. But Solomon was the organizer of the work, the one responsible. Hence, the Bible says that he built the house. In the same way, Matthew ’s Gospel tells us that the military commander approached Jesus. But Luke gives the added detail that he approached him through the Jewish elders.

This is ridiculous, the bible CLEARLY stated that solomon hired workmen to build the temple so I wonder how this in in anyway helps your case here.

Matthew clearly states an army officer approached jesus or was matthew blind that he cannot differentiate a single army officer from elders of jews??. . . . If it was elders of jews that came why not expressly state it or is it so hard??

When people  give lie and give different accounts it aint so hard to reconcile their contradictory statements like you're ridiculously trying to do now.

There is a thread of over 100 contradictions in the bible here on nairaland. . . Why dont you go there and clear all the doubts for us.

Quote From : anietieh

on the issue of the bible contradicting it self, yes, the bible does appear to contradict itself. it is also easy to find contradictions when you are looking for them . what may be harder to do is try and see, check from genesis to revelation, to see if this seeming contradictions are really contradictions. often times, what are discrepancies are lableled contradictions. it is very easy, in fact, one of the easiest things in the world to hurl accusations, or to find faults. almost everyone knows that.

consider this:“Discrepancies” Do Not Have to Be Contradictions   Kenneth S. Kantzer, a theologian, once illustrated how two reports of the same event can seem contradictory and yet both be true. He wrote: “Some time ago the mother of a dear friend of ours was killed. We first learned of her death through a trusted mutual friend who reported that our friend ’s mother had been standing on the street corner waiting for a bus, had been hit by another bus passing by, was fatally injured, and died a few minutes later. ” Soon after, he heard a very different report. He says: “We learned from the grandson of the dead woman that she had been involved in a collision, was thrown from the car in which she was riding, and was killed instantly. The boy was quite certain of his facts. “Much later . . . we probed for a harmonization. We learned that the grandmother had been waiting for a bus, was hit by another bus, and was critically injured. She had been picked up by a passing car and dashed to the hospital, but in the haste, the car in which she was being transported to the hospital collided with another car. She was thrown from the car and died instantly. ” Yes, two accounts of the same event may both be true even though they seem to disagree with each other. This is sometimes the case with the Bible. Independent witnesses may describe different details about the same event. Instead of being contradictory, however, what they write is complementary, and if we take all accounts into consideration, we get a better understanding of what happened.

More bible apologetic nonsense. . . .
Ridiculous excuses to mask blatant contradictions in the bible. . . . .

Geez, maybe the contradictions in the quran, verdas etc are not contradictions too but differential event reporting.

Infact when Matthew said Mary magdalene was the first to arrive at jesus' tomb and saw an angel roll the tombstone in her prescence and Mark said mary met the tombstone rolled away already and they entered and saw a young man sitting inside and Luke who said it was infact  Two men sitting inside the tomb.

what they meant to convey was Mary arrived at the tomb, then saw an angel rolling the stone,  she didnt like the style of rolling she then rolled the stone back in place  and went to wash her hands then the angel vexed at the sabotage of his handwork and rolled back the stone for the second time. Mary returned from her handwash  and saw that the stone was rolled back. She was angry and entered the tomb to see whats up, she then saw one young man sitting inside wearing white. She was shocked, but the young man told her his assistant went to was his hands at river jordan to wash away the germs from jesus' burial clothes and asked if she didnt meet the lazy assiatant on the road. The assistant promptly arrived and thus they were two men and then mary went to report to peter. . .phew!! That makes sense.

Quote From : anietieh

let me just say this, so as to try and differentiate between true christianity and christendom/ chritianity. true christianity does not believe in hellfire but believes in hell. (yeah, there is a difference between hellfire and hell), true christianity does not force tithes on its members, people give voluntary and of their own volition, true christianity does not engage in politics, war, and other conflicts and its members try to be peaceable, not just peaceful. (yeah, there is a huge difference btw being peaceable and being peaceful.),true christianity does not preach that everyone will go to heaven, does not preach rapture, does not condone violence, immoral behaviour, well, there are a lot of other differences but going on to list them will derail what i was trying to say, but if you just compare what i said, you will find that most of the people you consider, and class as christians, are not true christians but part of christendom. and yet, even after my search, and finding true christianity, i am not a christian. because what is required by true christianity i am not yet ready to practice.for instance, the bible says: “If possible,as far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men." and literallyy the word peaceable,, means peacemakers. being a peacemaker means , going out of ones way to establish and to maintain peace. that is why the bible also says that if someone slaps you you should not retaliate, instead turn the other cheek. truthfully, if someone slaps me, i will land him his own slap sharp,sharp. so my knowleddge of my limitations and my laziness and unwillingness to train myself is what is preventing me from practicing christianity.

Ah. . . . Isnt this just classic.

You've foun 'True' christianity. . . .congratulations!!

Welcome to the club, you've joined an Elite group of OVER 30,000 different christian sects who believe their findings to be 'TRUE' christianity. . . This is wonderful!

Err, wait oh, why are we to believe the hogwash you typed up there is 'True' christianity? Where did you get it from?. . . Oh, is it the bible? The same bible all the other sects use to justify their own version of christianity The same bible a group of catholic bishops randomly assembled based on their own discretion??

My my, shouldnt we classify you as deluded as the rest of the group??

Quote From : anietieh

God, is omnipotent, omniprecscient, etc, etc. If you think deeply, you will realise that having a right, is not complete without the right not to exercise that right. I hope you can understand that. Having an ability, is not complete without being able to decide whether to exercise that ability or not to exercise the ability. If you can understand this simple concept, then you will understand that God was under no compulsion to exercise his ability to fore know.

oh, so your excuse is God decided not to be ''all knowing'' at that point, is that right?

On what basis do you declare that having an ability is incomplete without being able to excersise it or not?


You are either able to do something or not. Being able to Control takes NOTHING away from you having that ability in the first place.

So, your god decided to be ignorant. . .touche. .

One small question, since god is said to be all good, ominiscient, ominipresent, going by your logic, God can decide NOT to be all good aka All Evil, not ominipresent, not ominiscient infact he can decide to be NOT GOD etc, can God decide NOT to exist? since God is alive can he decide NOT to be alive

another thing that has been bothering me is
this? mr harakiri says that he does believe
that there is a supreme being, but feels
that it is not the christian god.[b] has he
investigated other religions to find out if
there is one? I dont think so, because he
goes on to say agree with Karl Max in
saying that religion is the opium of the
masses. so, it's not just christianity that
irks him, its all religion. in one post, he will
say, jewish god, in another christian god,
which one do you really mean, cos i
believe you know that judaism is a very
different religion from christianity? right?
so, i am really beginning to feel that there
is a whole lot of insincerity involved and i
earnestly hope i am wrong. what harakiri
does not know is that i am not a christian.
but of all the religions i investigated, true
christianity, and let me say this, there is a
difference, big difference between
christianity and christendom, and true
christianity. As i was saying, true
christianity seems like the most reasonable
religion to me. I investigated hinduism,
islam, buddhism, taoism, confucianism,
shintoism, judaism before reaching my
conclusion about true christianity.

Now, let me tell you another thing that bothers me,
you ''investigated'' hinduism, islam,buddism, confucianism, shintoism, judaism - ONLY

Out of the MILLIONS OF RELIGIONS out there you ''investigated'' like ten then come here to beat your chest, claim christianity is the ultimate and call people ''insincere''??

One would think as you are the MR. Sincere himself you would at least investigate the thousands of religions in Nigeria alone.

My friend, get off your high horse! You delude only yourself.

And Oh, the jewish god and christian god are the SAME thing. Christianity is an offshoot of judaism. So when harakiri makes reference to either he's totally right. (one would think Mr. Investigator himself would know that)

InesQor:
Nope. The theist acknowledges that he is not omniscient so the argument in that direction is moot.

But the atheist says with all affirmation that God DOES NOT exist, and only one who is omniscient to have searched all possible spheres of existence across all dimensions, can make such a confident statement. SO the atheist is either omniscient, or peddling other people's beliefs, or deluded.

Keep deluding yourself. . . . So the theist that declares GOD EXISTS does not need to be ominiscient?? I laugh

a christian who denies that the world is created by a fat muslim pig in white and only one who is ominiscient and searched all the spheres or existence across dimensions can make such a confident statement. So the christian is clearly deluded, no?

How much do we have to pay to hear this 'free' word of god??

Ask INEsqor/mavenbox. . . . She claims to be an expert in God's business and Human resource development (whatever the hell that means)

bros1234:
I dont get you mr. did u really ask me a question? Sorry, what was it?

Yes, not once but TWICE.

This is the third time,

I asked, an unknowing man who looks at a rock carved by the elements of nature to resemble a face and concludes its by intelligent design citing proof as because it looks orderly and 'designed', will he be right??

If NO, tell us why.

bros1234:
Congratulations for stopping to go to church and faring better because of that.But incase you ever come back to post here, ask yourself, wat if all the story u ar told in church (pls forget the bad guys who mess things up), wat if eventually its truth?

As for the arguments here, I have provided evidence that the world is an organised art and every organised art is a product of intelligent design. I am yet to see tudor (by the way whats the meaning of that word or name "tudor), harakiri and majaze prove me otherwise

I would like to believe that they have accepted my theory of intelligent design or that at least they think and accept within themselves that Someone, a supreme being actually created the world. Like harakiri said, he only wants proof that the guy behind the intelligence of the world is the Supreme being revealed from Isreal.

I would never crucify harakiri if that is the context of this argument. Why? The hindi, the shintoist, the several religions, even my old uncle in the village, all believe a different thing. So how do I prove that the Creator revealed from Isreal is actually the supreme being behind the design of this earth?

This is the point where I would tell you that I've got nothing to say. Its not more of making statements or quoting scriptures, its more of show me some proof, either a demonstration or a scientific evidence.

It is at this point I will like to behave like the father of Gideon. I would never defend my G in heaven. Let Him prove Himself to harakiri and co, who are confused about the G to believe in. And as I've said before, guys its only a matter of time. No rush. the real G behind the creation will prove Himself

I rest my case

Mr man, stop being intellectually lazy. . .

You provided NO Proof anywhere. . .running off when asked to defend your point then mouthing off about how you presented ''evidence'' is just not ok.

Answer the simple question I posed to you and stop dancing around.

LOL. . . .i'm quite sure they'll blame the mythical devil for this loss. . .

toba:
Its very obvious who the liar here is. I ve posted calmly without getting agitated. U on the contrary is getting aggressive for being exposed. I read the trial of viaro thread&couple of other threads on your gender. Dont u think that it because lots of people doubt your honesty&sincerity is responsible for their stance that u are a male¬ a female?

exposed wat exactly?

Emmm sorry, people find it difficult to believe my gender coz of the nature of my posts. , .they stated it well overthere and over time.

Its obvious you cannot read. . .illiterate.

And why does my gender bother you so much You have refused to answer that simple question.

LOL. . . The suspense. . .the intrigue. . . . The action. . . Watch out for Tudor PART 2!!!!