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honeric01:
Yawnn!!!!


you must be bored at work, is your boss not around?

honeric01:
Yawnn!!!!


you must be bored at work, is your boss not around?

honeric01:


Now next   

ancel:
Yeah, mavenb0x you are welcome. Great minds post alike  

Tudor!!! What's with the name-calling: fat oaf? Come off it already. And for saying he will steal and repackage, I gotta say Libel is haywire, no matter who you are speaking about. I think that statement's not fair.

honeric01:
Too bad you can't read between the lines, you are such a waste of time.


now NEXT

Mavenb0x:
Tudor, I knew it. You never disappoint!  I knew where you were gonna go. 

ancel:
Tudor, why don't you forward it?  I'm sure you still have contacts from way back in college, to ensure the message is personally delivered to the MOG.

@Mavenb0x: no mind her abeg. 

ancel:
I like this! Let me highlight my favorite parts of the post. 

@Mavenb0x: Thanks for sharing! Pls let's have the business enterprise post ASAP.

Mavenb0x:
@Pastor AIO: Yeah! And as usual, JeSoul has taken the core of the message and expressed it in just few words!

@JeSoul: Dear sis, I think we should write some stuff together sometime. ;-)

@Tudor: LOL I'm not really answering you cos I guess you are looking for trouble. But if you wanna make billions, please get involved in business enterprise. The great and wealthy people (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Solomon) that many modern Christians (esp gospel ministers) try to emulate, did not get their immense wealth from the gospel or from the people of God. Rather, they were given insight by God to unlock wealth in hidden places, stored up in previously-inaccessible places. They were billionaires in their own right, but not by getting money from their congregation. Voila! They were not even really gospel ministers, and they even had no such congregation (maybe except Solomon, so to speak, but I think Solomon made Israel rich, and not vice versa). God seeks out people who will control immense wealth and use it to improve other people's lives, but they need not be mainstream preachers or something. Maybe i will make a post about business enterprise later when I have time.

@toba: God bless you too, sir

honeric01:
Guy abeg stop recycling issues. we have all given him what he came for, both positive and negative advises, but the bad thing is the misinformation some of these advisers are giving him.


He came here to look for who's going to support him in trying to force her girlfriend into abortion.  READ HIS POST VERY WELL, THE ANSWER IS RIGHT THERE.

EOD

easylogic:
Tudor,when i speak of a person's stream of consciousnes, i am not talking of character or acquired behaviour traits.These ofcourse help to mould our personality.What i'm talking about is Self awareness.

You see,a cat or a bird will look at itself in the mirror and not recognise itself.Meaning that most animals are not aware of themselves.Babies also exhibit this kind of behavior,when a mirror is placed infront of them,they always try to reach for the mirror as if they are seeing another baby.

This awareness of yourself is what we call THE SELF.

The two bodies A and B will both have consciousness,but who will have Tom's Self.i.e which of the two will be aware that He's Tom.I am not talking of Tom's behaviours or Character,or even Tom's name,am talking of Tom's Self.
To put it more crudely, Who will feel that he's Tom?

Ofcourse these two people A and B might develop new charåters that are radically different from Tom's.

But the question again is,who will have Tom's Self.or none?

honeric01:
I can see you just want to argue. i am the one who's suppose to ask what point you are trying to make.

She is not in support of aborting, the poster came here to seek what? make us teach him on how to force her to accept or what?

easylogic:
Thanks all for your interesting replies.

When we speak of a person, we generally mean an individual who has the capacity to think.how we think and behave sets us apart from other people.

Even a pair of twins seemingly having similar behavior are two distinct persons with two different streams of consciousness.

Now Tom is a person with a distinct consciousnes and self awareness.
If you take a loaf of bread and split it into two,and someone asks you,What happened to the loaf?you will say half a bread is here and the other half is therd.

When it comes to Tom's brain,the answer is very simple.Half of Tom's brain is in Body A,and the Other is in Body B.
The big question is What happened to tom.not his brain.What Happened to that particular stream of consciousness that made up a self aware Individual person called tom.

We can't say Tom is half in A and B.People or Persons are never in halves.Would A feel pain if B is pinched?

It seems there are 3 plausible answers as to what happened to Tom.

1.Tom is in Body A.
2.Tom is in Body B.
3.Tom no longer exists.

All the above are equally plausible.Remember that Body A and B have consciousness now,and they ard two distinct individuals from each other(since they have separate streams of consciousness).

@ Saur and Tudor.Personhood does not simply entail behaviour,it entails identity and Self awareness which are also products of consciousness.

Therefore Saur,i don't see how retraining or counselling the new Individuals A and B answers the question as to what happend to Tom's stream of consciousness or as Descartes put it, Tom's SELF.

And furthermore how will retraining them give rise to Tom's self?

I appreciate your inputs and hope more join this debate.

honeric01:
Like i said before, if you read carefully, you would have known that she already took a decision not to abort.

There's nothing that is SAFE, not to talk of VERY SAFE. professionals make mistakes, so any abortion is opened to mistakes that might lead to DEATH. once again stop preaching abortion being SAFE because nothing is guaranteed to be safe especially when it comes to human life.

honeric01:
What are you self? who's going to face the pain or probably death? him or the girl? who's going to carry the pregnancy? the girl right? she has 100% right not to abort. PERIOD!!!

honeric01:
THE POSTER DOES NOT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO ASK FOR ABORTION WHATSOEVER, THE GIRLFRIEND SAID SHE'S NOT ABORTING, THAT'S FINAL!!!

sauer:
I think this is an intriguing question. But, if it isn't really just for experimental purposes, it is most unlikely that when humans become so advanced, halves of brains should be exchanged. Rather the brain itself may simply be repaired or some parts replaced with electronic chips. Perhaps, whole brains will simply be exchanged.
It's possible there'll be a double personality in Tom and his friend, but easylogic this is not out of place at all. Even now, we record certain cases of people who have dual personalities, schizophrenia, etc. and these people are being treated. It will merely be a new challenge for psychology. My guess is Tom will be reschooled on who he really is and his memories will be updated on his personality. Perhaps even basic treatment methods used for split-personality patients now can be employed.
Generally, I don't think this poses any challenges. Also, drop "Tom the person" as Tom can easily become a new person and live his life on his real, concrete new ideas as his new self. Take for instance, people who do a nose job or bosom job, do they get a feeling of their old self trumping on their new self? The answer is no. Actually they feel better and livelier. Tom will be reschooled to feel better.

That's my take

easylogic:
You are aware that there is a difference between a scientifìc query and a philosophical one?

My question deals with the philosophical topic of the SELF.If the SELF is simply a result of brain activity,then what happens when such a scenario as described above occurs.

You said that maybe tom could have both personalities.Are you saying that Tom the person would be in two different bodies?

And one more question,why are your posts so combative?I thougt we would have a civil discussion devoid of snide and unnecesary emotional connotations.

alcoreseam:
when i saw the thread and read the first few replies I expected such responses( and i guess the poster and his conscience knows thats the right thing).
then i thought,,,,,,, someone somewhere somehow ''somewhy'' must have a contrary opinion so i scrolled to the end and there I saw tudor.
then a grin came up my face and i wish i could just see his face and possibly read his tots if it was indeed genuine opinions or just i have to have a tangential view to the whole wide world(www.divergent view to others.com).

tudor, you have a point but its better they both do ''the right thing'' ,i dont really expect you to agree though.


to the poster ,for the sake of whatever you believe or dont believe in be a true and real man.
you love the girl so please love what comes of both of you aswell.

takecare

Emzybrown:
peeps u must marry her.if your from my village