₦airaland Forum

easylogic:
@ Tudor, it's not a question of what will be the outcome of the experiment. I am not even concerned on what physical or chemical processes will take place.Mine is a far more deeper question.A philosophical question.

In short,my argument was this,If materialism is true,we should be able to know all the facts about a material object.If tom is a purely a material object,then we should be able to know what would happen to Tom's personhood.

I sought to show that here is an example where we have all the Material facts about Tom,but we still cannot know what/where is Tom the person.

If that question can't be answered now,then it can't be answered in 2097 either!

Ofcourse we can't know the exact details of how the brain will be split,which chemical or nuorological processes will take place etc until we perform the experiment.But that is not my concern.

Oh you aren't concerned with the outcome?

What philosophical question are you asking? HOW ARE YOU SURE when such a feat is possible Tom wouldn't have both personalities thus showing the persona lies in the material brain?

With statements like the highlighted above i can't help but laugh. . .deeper philosophical question indeed.

SHALOM you too.

Go to politics section, some mo.rons are already blaming the jews.

suxes2005:
Somfin else my bro. O fink u shud face dis kinda topic wit personal and religious belief. infact in real senses, is it good to abort?

SHALOM

Good. I like that word PERSONAL. . . In the end its the poster and his fiancé's PERSONAL decision and they shouldn't be pressured by anyone.

People should make decisions as to what is good for THEM and not aiming to please some phantom spirits et ghosts.

suxes2005:
Do i fink? Anyways i do so i dont know about you.

Are u sayin in 1 word dat u r a muslim or wat?

SHALOM

My religious belief isn't important to this thread.

You assumed only christians go to CU and i corrected you. Whatelse?

suxes2005:
covenant uni is a xtian uni i guess? so why shud a xtian b advising abortion? tudor try fink very well b4 u post o.k.?

SHALOM

Do you think at all?

Covenant university is open to ANYBODY from WHATEVER RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND. . . You only have to stick with their rules/principles but not necessarily agree with them. Its in the school prospectus!!

SHALOM.

No2Atheism:


- Its tolerable when you are intentionally obnoxious . . . and irritating . . .however i beleive you have finally gone too far with this your open advocation for abortion.

- You do not only not know what you are talking about but u have just confirmed that you are also a self confessed advocate of institutionalised murder and genocide . . . I am very sure that you know nothing about the history of the Abortion industry . . . and how it ties in into the whole if its not white kill it thingy

- Sometimes i really wonder if you are not a white person pretending to be black solely for the benefit of nairaland . . . (there are bound to be a number of White Nigerians that think and sound Nigerian hence it should not really be a big deal for you to be one)

You're indeed a big fool and a bigot.

Why must EVERYTHING with you be racial?

When did abortion become an 'industry'?

That it was done to slaves does that mean i can't do it if it'll help my life?

Who made abortion murder and genocide?

Do you know the definition of genocide?

The poster deciding to abort the unwanted pregnancy, how does that constitute genocide?

- you claim to have gone to Covenant University yet "it is just a claim" . . . cus anyone can also claim that. . .

- your post shows that you have no value for life whatsoever . . . otherwise you would not be here advocating for something that is both wrong from the moral angle and also seriously damaging from the psychological angle. . .

Wrong morally according to WHO?


Psychologically damaging, HOW?

Millions of other things including trivial stuffst can cause psychological damage. . . .People do stuffs they regret everyday and there are people who've aborted and have lived happily ever after.

- I guess it does not suprise us that you are supoorting Abortion considering that you "White Masters" also use "Family Planning" and "Planned Parenthood" as disguises to carry out government sanctioned genocide (aka Abortion) in Black communities . . .

Again the BIGOTRY in you. Everything is done by the whiteman to enslave blacks. . .you're indeed far gone!

Do whites not abort?

Is abortion only restricted for the blacks?

Fammily planning and planned parenthood, is it only for blacks?

Have there not been clear benefits of family planning and planned parenthood? Only a fool would deny that.

Your posts in support of Global Warming, Eurocentrism, White Tanned Jesus, Atheism . . . exposed you as being a completely brainwashed and unrepentant individual . . . however this your latest statement in regards to Abortion is just simply the finaly straw that shows that you are nothing but a disgrace to the human race . . .

Disgrace to the human race would be more like a bigoted racist like you who views everything along racial lines. . .humanity=humanity whether white black or yellow!!

I would not stand here and allow you to advocate for Abortion . . .

If you don't like it go JUMP into the river thames. . .mor.on

I wonder what would have happened if your own parents have also taken the route of Abortion when you were conceived.

It was their decision to make. . .and if my being born was unwanted or an unnecessary burden on their lives too hot to handle they can verily decide to abort. . .no hard feelings.

Its one thing to be obnoxious its another thing to advocate for death

Abortion is NOT murder! A foetus isn't human until its born!! You have no human rights till you're born!! I.e no right to life till birth!

. . . LET THIS BE A WARNING TO YOU TO PLEASE STOP PEDDLING YOUR DEPRESSED SOUL AROUND ON NAIRALAND . . .   If you want to abort a child, then go ahead and do it . . but stop being the devils advocate and stop trying to trick individuals into making the biggest mistake of their lives . . .

Firstly you're in NO position to warn me so stick it up your arse!

The poster asked for advice concerning abortion WHICH HE'S CONSIDERING.

If you can't stand differing views then go bleep yourself!

FOR THE FIRST TIME ON NAIRALAND I CAN PERSONALLY SAY THAT I REALLY DESPISE YOUR CHARACTER AS A PERSON FOR EVEN HAVING THE TEMERITY TO SUGGEST THAT ABORTION IS OKAY . . . IT SEEMS YOUR WHOLE LIFE REVOLVES AROUND NEGATIVITY . . .

WHO gives a damn what you despise or not?

PLEASE NOTE . . . YOU SHALL FAIL AND YOUR LIKES SHALL FAIL YOUR ATTEMPT TO ADVOCATE FOR MURDER . . .

Murder according to who?

What is murder?

THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY DONE IT AND WHO HAVE A HEART NEVER GET OVER IT. . . STOP ADVOCATING FOR MURDER

Says who? Many have done it and it has saved them undue stress and hardship. Raising a kid isn't mai mai

. . . [size=18pt]OVERALL, YOU SIR ARE A SORRY EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING[/size] . . .

*YAWN* bla bla bla

@poster.

I REPEAT, its you and your fiances decision. Make up your mind as to what you both want and if its to abort, go for it.

Your destiny is in your hands, it your life and you should be able to decide WHAT YOU WANT and WHAT YOU DON'T. Goodluck.

REMEMBER; Abortion is VERY SAFE whe carried out by a qualified health professional

tanimz:
@ Ohsisi, why are u judging the guy and his mother? The boy has not even spoken at all and you guys are jumping into conclusion.

Yeah well excuse us. . . .the guy put military grade explosives in his underpants and went into a plane carrying 300 people.

Who the hell carries military grade explosives in their private parts?

Evilbible.com? Haha ha ha. . .that name sounds funny.

easylogic:
I thought I would seek your opinions on the famous Mind body problem.

The question is,is our brain just physical or there is a Mind which creates our personhood.

Many scientists are materialists and hence believe that our brains are solely responsible for our consciousness,character's and personhood. Theists are dualists,i.e they belive that humans are made of a soul and body.

I believe there are many problems with the view that we are simply material objects.but my main concern is the following problem.

Let us imagine that indeed we are material objects with no such thing as the soul.

It is the year 2097,and scientists have  discoved a way of doing brain transplants.Did you know that a human beings can succesfuly live with half a brain?

Now Lets say Tom becomes paralyzed from Neck to Toe.Doctors perform a brain transplant and take one half of Toms brain and puts it Body A,and then they take the other half and put it in Body B.

Body A and B both gain consciousness.Body A goes to live in Chicago,and body B goes to live in Egypt.Now the big question is Where is Tom?

Remember I'm not asking where is tom's body,am asking,where is Tom the person.
Is he in the new body A or new Body B?is he in both?

But he can't be in two places at a time.And yet we can't say whether he's in Body A or B since a persons character,consciousness,memory etc are stored in both parts of the brain.

If materialism was true,we should be able to tell all the facts about a given material object.But here is a clear example of a situation where  we can not know a particular information  simply from material facts.

The implications of this is enormous.It reinforces the Duality of man.For a non-materialists,the answer as to what happened to tom depends on where his soul is.Unlike the materialists where Tom's brain is in two different bodies,the soul cannot be split,and hence can only be in one body.And so no dilemma for the dualist.

I welcome discussions.lets keep it civil and mature,

It seems long before 2097 mr easylogic has already predetermined/concluded the results of such an experiment. . . And aptly declared it a rigid example of how materialism cant explain everything. well done!!

Where do we ship your Nobel prize?

No2Atheism:
@poster

- I hope this post is just a joke. . .

- Do not even think of abortion . . . it is murder pure and simple . . .

- Abortion creates a lifetime of guilt for both the man and the woman . . .

- You don't have to marry her if you don't want to . . .

- However that does not mean you should commit murder all in the name of looking for a way out. . .

- I completely support the lady in her stand to keep the pregnancy . . .

- If you don't want responsibility then do not have intimacy . . .

Abortion is murder according to who?

Poster, this should be a decision made by the both of you. If you choose to keep the baby then fine otherwise you both can opt for an abortion.

Its your life and you should be able to decide when you wanna have kids.

Contrary to all the negative reports, Abortion is VERY SAFE when done by a health professional. Don't patronise quacks please.

Remember, the ultimate decision lies with the both of you.

I only know Dr david and michellin89 as for the rest, no idea.

MUNEER2:
Maybe it would take these sheep extra brain to notice the truth , I weep for you

*sighs*. . . This just begs THE QUESTION. . . .what a pity.

Why oh why. . .

Hmmm. . . .so pastor AIO is on facebook too, hen? I suppose go join too. . .

MUNEER2:
Wow, my bad! His comments made it obvious
Thanks to you brother, may Allah reward you.
'the voted'?
Your mouth is so big that you now find it so difficult to identify what to use it for
So, you've got problems with whom Muslims voted in as their best poster, you won't just stop having problems here. . . pteww!
Here comes the reminder, who has forgotten how he was born. . . well, remind allah now , your lord forgets!

Would it kill these rag heads to make sense once in their stupiid quranic lives?

I can be a very stereotyped individual at times, i've been using Ralph lauren's romance for close to 4 years now. . .still loving it!

Sow it in the life of your pastor.

Truth is a science board would be of no use. How many members here give a crap about science and philosophical discussions?

Abuzola and his scandalous threads including ones like "I hate Islam/christianity", "Mohammd is a pae.dophile", "Jesus is a liar", "Adeboye and Oyedepo ra.pe 2 year old", "Where was God during the genocide", "I denounce Atheism, I'm born again" etc attract more replies and reactions from diverse people than the so called science/philosophy threads. Any time such is opened (phil/sci topics) you get replies from the SAME set of people EVERYTIME. But with abuzola you see people who have never posted here in addition to the regulars here chipping in.

Scandal sells and Abuzola has made more money for seun than most of us regular posters here.

Afam:
Chei! Wey Abacha? He would have drawn up his own list and include the US in the list and for good reasons too.

Only a well thought out reciprocal foreign policy will help a nation.

I remember Brazil introducing its own reciprocal security checks that lasted hours targeted at US citizens after 911 and the US citizens had to cry out before the US relaxed some of the measures.

Sometimes, you need to make people feel the pain they subject others to for them to realize their actions.

You never pass up an opportunity to show us how much you love this murderous terrorist dictator, do you?

Why don't you go to hell and sodomize him since you're in love with him. . . At least that will spare us your disgracing prescence here on NL. . .rubbish!

^^
And to think the voted this crap poster of the year on this board. . . . Goes to show the intellectual bankruptcy of the fellows on here

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Who knows. . . .the xtians would never vote against him thats for sure

These people have come again. . . .when did pfizer become a terrorist group?

Yeah I see the whole team of nairaland resident Anti-semites and Anti-west are all here.

Foolish people. They'll readily blame the jews for all their failings in life.

Never heard of them filters. . .what are they?

And to think this is just because of 200 naira? Poverty is really bad!

I have human head for sale, interested?

A man can dream. . . .

This is a very important question; How old is your wife?