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noetic15:
blah blah blah. . . .  .I can always expect u to twist your arguments anytime u are caught out  

Christ judgement is eternal and determines your fate at eternity. . . .human judgement is for here and determines the pathway of your definite life.
why is this reality so obscure for u, tudor?  

In other words human laws are well able to dispense justice hence we do not need that of christ. . .thank you.

yes bro, every soul that died before the coming of Christ remained dead. . . oyedepo should have taught u that  

Hmmm. . .why was a 'dead' moses shining his 'dead' face during the transfiguration with christ on the mount?

Those kin girls plenty for nairaland na. . . .try grace5 or maykelly see if there's hope.

Deep Sight:
Perhaps i will address with you the question of omnipotence with you at a later stage. I have a hugely important teleconference in about 15 minutes so i gotta be brief here. But let me just say that omnipotence does not mean that God can do irrational things. Such as destroy himself for example, or creat ea stone that is impossible for him to lift and then lift it. Omnipotence should be understood within the context of highest power which operates along given laws and precepts. Later i will return to explain so that you will see that all things in existence are rational things only and that illogicalities are not capable of existing. Thus God cannot be illogical.

Following on my explanation above, you should see that a creation of freebeings rationally cannot also be a creation where the deeds of such beings are restricted or circumscribed. Pre-programming is a contradiction of freedom, and this is logically impossible even for God!

Thus you must accept that World C is an impossibility.

Will be back.

What is irrational about creating a world without evil and free will for the greater good?

Does it not sound irrational for a god knowing he can't guarantee the absence of evil if he created the world with free will then still went ahead to do so?

God is supposed to be all knowing right so he in essence knows which choices I'm going to make so what is the rationale behind the whole dance around since God knows where everybody would end up. Infact this whole god thing makes no sense!

Fine boi!
Na you just dey resemble 50 cent like this?

Your girlfriend must be enjoying seriously

^^
Xl? Are you a fat guy?

Infact send me your picture, i'd like to know what you look like

There's nothing spiritual about my xmas. . . .its just happy holidays for me!

^^
Why are you paying to support the "scam"?

Deep Sight:
Ooops - my bad - sorry i seemed to read that the wrong way like he was saying that was the belief of christians, nothing more.

Vety well then.

You still cannot escape addressing this:

Tell me that this deals with your issues on evil in the world?

There is nothing to address.

I thought God was ominipotent?

Saying the name God followed by stuffs like he can only create world A and cannot guarantee bla bla bla does not follow.

Why call him an ominipotent if he can't do?

There is nothing wrong with world B. What is the purpose of existence according to religions if not for the glorification of God, you don't need free will to do that.

Creating a world A is just irresponsible and the creator should take responsibility. According to easy logic, God cannot guarantee people will not choose to do evil.

Faced with such a knwoledge you went ahead and created then blame the creation for evil and throw him into fire for eternity. . .does that not sound stupid?

noetic15:
1. The way u twist analogies to suit your dogma is fast becoming uninteresting.

The way you consistently lie and misrepresent me is sinful, isn't it?

Since according to your post u believe that Christ would one day return to judge the world. . ,  .then u should also abide by His word that commands that all men submit to governing authorities romans 13:1.

Why bother with constituted authority and the human judicial system since according to mr easy logic the judiciary of christ the the ultimate in perfection.

Even your lying faith recognises humans are capable of according justice and we need no magician in the sky to help. . . .what does that say about religion?

2. And quite unlike your false innuendos. . . . .during the era of the law, people lived and did good in honour and service of God, yet there was no promise of eternity awaiting them.

What the fuadck is noetic talking about?

Are you now saying that during the era of the law there was nothing like eternal life /after life and every dead soul remained dead?

Noetic. . . .noetic. . . .noetic. . . .ha!!

Deep Sight:
Wwhy the hell did you even bother to quote Easylogic at all? Did he say anything about Christ? Do you take time to read?

Now i notice how convenienmtly you skipped over his excellent logic in putting to the sword the silly questions yourself, Atheists and Kay17 ask about evil in teh world.

Is this guy fuccking blind or what?
Did you really take time to read easy logic's post at all or you're just quick to type anything as long as it antagonizes atheits?

easylogic:

These are questions on justice.As you know Christians believe that every person will be brought to book on the day of judgment.And so justice will be served.The victims,if they embrace Christ,will receive eternal life free of suffering.I can't think of a better Judicial System!

But what about Atheism.What does it offer for the Victims or offenders of these heinous crimes?

Am afraid nothing.If Atheism is true,and God does not really exist,then there is no eternal life,and everyone will die.So why should an atheist care if a child is molested?The child will eventually die of old age or some other disease or accident.

Dude SHINE your eyes very well and stop misyarning stupi.dly

No2Atheism:
. . . [size=28pt]GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM [/size]. . . 

Why are you paying to support the "scam" ?

No2Atheism:
Which kind of attention seeking human being is this sef . . . . . . . . Moderators abeg ban me so that this Decepticon Tudor would stop following me around nairaland . . . 

The guy just dey look for my trouble up and down . . . .

How many people have joined your Economic Alliance of refugees to takeover the European Economy?

easylogic:
@ Atheists,


     You need to understand the formulation of the Free Will defense by Alvin Plantinga. Asking questions on "why" does not amount to an argument or even a counterargument. You need to show that God could have created a logically possible and feasible world (earth) where people have significant free will and yet no sin or evil.

There are only 3 options for God.He wants to create a world,

World A

1. People have complete free will and Evil exists.

World B

1. People do not have Free will and evil does not exist.

World C

1. People have complete Free will and evil does not exist.


Now, no one would want to live in world B,we would be mere Robots,and even good actions could not be regarded as good actions since no one can do otherwise.Why would we say eg Not stealing is a good thing,if stealing is a physical impossibility.

The type of world that critics of the Free Will Defense advocate for is world C. This isa logically possible world,but not a feasible world.Something is logically possible if it entails no contradictions.Something is feasible if it can be actualized in reality.

For example,it is logically possible that a tea cup is orbiting Jupiter but its too small to be seen.But we know in reality,there is probably no tea cup orbiting Jupiter.

If God were to create a world with Free people,then He cannot guarantee that every person will not commit atleast 1 evil act in his/her lifetime.Remember if people in world C are to remain truly Free,then god cannot interfere with their choices causally.i.e He cannot make them pick good actions.
Therefore World C is highly unlikely, Where there are free willed people,there is bound to be people choosing to do evil acts.

It seems then God can create only World A.Which is similar to our current world.Where people have complete free will and evil exists.

These are questions on justice.As you know Christians believe that every person will be brought to book on the day of judgment.And so justice will be served.The victims,if they embrace Christ,will receive eternal life free of suffering.I can't think of a better Judicial System!

But what about Atheism.What does it offer for the Victims or offenders of these heinous crimes?

Am afraid nothing.If Atheism is true,and God does not really exist,then there is no eternal life,and everyone will die.So why should an atheist care if a child is molested?The child will eventually die of old age or some other disease or accident.

5 billion years from now our sun will obliterate the earth and all the planets when it nears its death.

No one will be here to account for anyone sins,let alone the DRC soldiers or victims.If Atheism is true,then in 5 billion years time it will not matter whether you were mother teresa or hitler,no one will be here to account for their actions.It will not make sense to say, " Mother teresa will be remembered for here good actions." because no will be here to remember.If Atheism is true,Hitler,the DRC soldiers the molesting priests and every criminal and sinner will escape with his evils acts in 5 billion years time or sooner if the climate talks are anything to go by.

No one will receive a special reward,not the victims of violence nor the perpetrators.The irony is,no one will be punished either.And to top it all up,no will be here to care.

Thats the hopelessness that Atheism offers.

There is hope in trying to make the world a better place for your fellow man and future generations rather than doing good because you want to be rewarded by a dead carpenter with white robes and the boring job of singing praises for eternity like a retar.d.

A man who does good for the sake of humanity expecting no reward is a NOBLE MAN. A far cry from the selfishness promoted by religions. How many religious people will do good if they learnt there was no eternal reward whatsoever?

We have our very own judicial system right here on earth and its far more effective.

What is so perfect about a judicial system that allows hitler or ethnic hutus to continue slaughtering people. . . . .infact the allied nations and the UN shouldn't have intervened but waited for the judicial system of christ (the best of all) and allow hitler and the genocidal murderers run riot until everybody is dead then christ can come judge us all. . . .how daft is that?

Deep Sight:
Tudor remove the " f " from ya profile will you? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Its annoying me.

Now: That which is originally female remains what it is irrespective of what you a mere motal might think or believe.

Now: That which is transendentally supreme remains what it is: irrespective of religion - and irrespective of what you, a tiny mere mortal, may think or believe. What you need to do is to stand in awe and appreciation at the wonder of creation.

Anything less is callous ingratitude.

That which is non existent can never be forced to exist irrespective of how many wraps of marijuana you smoke and how hard people try to spin the BS.

What you need do is sit back and live the short life you have to the fullest as there is no other after this.

Anything else is just a sad waste of time.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=363977.msg5115747#msg5115747 date=1260869680]The next time i hear you talk about Oyakhilome, Oyedepo, Adeboye, Kumuyi and the jets and jeeps they drive in ,believe me i will rip off your phalanges. cowards are never far fetched from the vineyard of despression![/quote]The issues on the criminality and bastardly acts of Oyedepo, Adeboye, Oyakhilome and co has no become classified as your personal life?. . . .you are indeed an idio.t.

No2Atheism:
- Something is eating Tudor . . . 

- It seems you love attention . . . na wa o . . . . . .and probably willing to say anything to get that attention.

- Sorry but I don't have your time today . . .  . . . so pass along 

How many racist, anti-semitic idio.tic mo.rons have you recruited in your "Economic Alliance"?

Economic alliance my arse . . .what a dolt

No2Atheism:
more Global Warming Scam to give you more to talk about . . .

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html

And the cowardly whining continues. . . .

What are you doing about it? Is it just to sit behind a screen and cry about Europeans and Aliens wanting to take over the world while at the same time paying taxes to them?

No2Atheism:
more Global Warming Scam to give you more to talk about . . .

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html

And the cowardly whining continues. . . .

What are you doing about it? Is it just to sit behind a screen and cry about Europeans and Aliens wanting to take over the world while at the same time paying taxes to them?

No2Atheism:
- Its a dangerous thing to hate people . . . (so please clarify your statement)

- Personally I do not trust White people (however my conscience does not really allow me to hate anyone) . . . cus of the historical precedents of what they did, what they are doing and what they plan to do to non-white individuals.

How swell, this is coming from a slowpoke who hates americans, europeans and jews yet lives in the UK.

- Personally I would prefer if Africans start seeing their sojourns in European dominated land as a form of Economic Warfare . . . in that they make money and use the money to improve themselves and their home country and if possible use part of the money to start creating an independent economic alliance with their other black brethren in the same foreign country . . .

Yes indeed, economic warfare that caters for and saves YOUR OWN black as.s ONLY.

So lets see, according to your daft "warfare", you work in the UK, send some money home to improve your homeland while forming an economic alliance with fellow europe haters to internally sabotage/take over the european economy (what a moro.n) AT THE SAME TIME, paying thousands and millions of pounds to the government in taxes which is then used to wage wars, overthrow and install puppet regimes, taking control of african economies and minerals then loaning your tax pounds to african economies in ALL these endeavors MAKING BILLIONS MORE MONEY using your tax. . . .tell me, whos deceiving who? Keep dreaming about forming alliances with fellow idio.ts.

You're only there to cater for yourself all the while cowardly ranting about how the europeans and americans are raping the african continent using your taxes. Ofcourse you conspiracy theorists and racist have no problems with that as long as your behind is in the UK being well catered for and enjoying the benefits of NHS. . . .what a fool

No2Atheism:
Here we go with the straw-man arguments again . . , 

Who was making an argument? It shows you've got no understanding of the meaning of that concept.

You learn a new word on NL and think you can use it just anyhow without brains. . . .how typical.

Tudor . . . my "White Tanned Jesus" loving friend you don pursue me reach this thread . . . . . . . yes you are welcomed  .

I think you meant that advise for your Muslim friends . . . . 

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Abeg Tudor stop trying to derail this thread or are you another Global Warming Scammer . . . 

Why are you funding the european vampires you racist pric.k?

We are tired of hearing you whine EVERY single day about how evil the white man is, question; What are you doing about it?
Why do you keep funding and replenishing the stores of the demonic jews/europeans at the detriment of your african brothers?

@Topic

I hope legally binding deals on emission cut targets are reached at this summit but thats just wishful thinking.

The developed countries should lead the way because they contributed most to the present situation.

Under no circumstance should development of africa and other developing economies be compromised though.

To individuals out there, do your bit, get energy saving lightbulbs, unplug your chargers when not in use, avoid leaving your TV's, computers and other appliances on standby, plant a tree wherever possible, use high pressure showers, place a ball in your cistern of your toilet it helps reduce the water needed for a flush,, if you can afford it get solar panels. . . . . If everyone can do little things as this, it'll go a long way in saving the planet.

No2Atheism:
Another Global Warming Scammer mercilessly exposed on television . . .

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/cgPJnvgCSb4&feature=player_embedded[/flash]



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Furthermore

Please note that this issue of Global Warming is not just a single isolated issue, it is intricately intertwined with the European Elite dominated idea of New World Order.

See they are not even hiding the idea of the New World Order again sef . . .they are blatantly saying it in public now . . .check the video below, yet for some reason . . . brainwashed Africans continue to think Europeans are benevolent . . . when are my people going to wake up

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/hXWeOa-FuyM[/flash]


Notice where he talked about "Global Governance" and also notice his statement and context where he linked idea of "Global Governance" to the idea of "Global Warming"

Na wa o . . .


. . . People please wake up for goodness sake . . . if not for your own sake at least wake up for the sake of your own future generations.


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Update: World Bank To Control Climate Change Slush Fund  

People you are starting to see the end-game of the Global Warming Scam artists . . .

http://minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2009/12/leaked-copenhagen-document-world-bank-to-control-climate-change-slush-fund.html

You are indeed very very very stupid. Do you really read the crap you type before posting?

Going through all your posts its evident you're a paranoid, racist and anti-semitic fool just like every conspiracy theorist out there.

Do us all a favour, since you live in manchester why not strap on a bomb, take a hike to brussels then blow up the EU since they are evil.

Isn't it obvious nobody gives a crap about the nonsensical rubbish you copy and paste from conspiracy sites. . . .since you care so much, do us a favour and end it all. Moro.n

Anyone ever wonders why this hypocrite who hates europeans and jews so much lives in the UK and pays his tax to the british government which is then used to fund "new world order", "enslave africa" and bla bla

Its only to cowardly sit behind a computer and rant about europeans, americans and jews but when it comes to taking the first practical step this fool prefers to save his black as.s first. Hypocrite!

Deep Sight:
YEP, ITS EASY TO SEE YOU ARE SO BOXED IN THAT A MAN WHO BELIEVES IN GOD BUT REJECTS RELIGION IS UNFATHOMABLE TO YOU.

I AINT CHOOSING NUTHIN. LIVE WITH IT.

I laugh!

Claiming not to be affiliated with any religion but stealing ideas from the same religions then turning around to call the believers dogmatic and psychotic when you're as dogmatic and psychotic as can be.

You conviniently use this as a fail safe measure. When the silliness of your beliefs are exposed you run claiming not to be religious and just exploring the myth then come around next week with another dogmatic idea of god poached from another faith.

You only deceive yourself my guy.

^^
You now claim the lucifer story about war in heaven is a myth but moments ago you were blabbing using the SAME story as basis for your crap theory about "proximity with summit of all thought".

Several times on this forum this guy has claimed the garden of eden did exist now he's here ranting Adam and eve were jewish myths.

You are a confused fake. Pick a religion and stick to it, stop boring us on NL with your psychobabbles.

How swell. . .sin causes tornados, earthquakes, genetic diseases, plagues and co . . . .these people and their delusions sef

^^
See how alethia stylishly jumped from discussing evil to "a perfectly good god capable of free will exists" in essense blaming the free will of man for every evil.

Tell me, what is the free will behind in-born genetic errors in children and natural disasters like tsunamis, tornadoes, earthquakes and co

Deep Sight:
I honestly cannot say that i expected a reasoned response from you. Dumb knee jerk reactions always.

Keep deceiving yourself. Nobody would waste time reasoning with one who has no well defined idea of his god and ontology but dill-dallying from one faith to another picking up and discarding ideas when he sees fit and suits him.

It don't need to type a million words to show the rubbish in your post.

Re-defining the meaning of ominipresent to suit your view is just sick.

Nairaland is not a place where you expect to find ready folks to discuss your fantasies bring us somthing much more sensible please.

He's probably just another fraudster tying to rob people in the name of God just like his mentors Adeboye and Oyedepo. They're all criminal bastar.ds.

It is understood as a trancendental element initiated in a realm of existence inaccesible to gross matter.So again, omnipresence does not have the simplistic and pedestrain connotation that you so lazily table forth.
I am not interested in stories about war in heaven or whatever. You were so hasty to reach judgment that you could not see i was only offering a possible logical explanation of a myth.

More crap.
Ominipresent = Ominipresent. All other rants are meaningless.

God is everywhere and sees everything, what else does that mean but being everywhere?

Now you ridiculously claim its gods power that transcends everywhere but his presence is in heaven. . .you're a joker. What is prescence without power and power without prescence?

You cannot coat bullsh*t in grammer and expect us to swallow. BS = BS .

Like I said, you're a phoney. U take bits of every religion and whitewash it to fit your delusions then when the silliness is exposed you run claimin to be exploring the myth.try again

Deep Sight:
1. If something is said to be the summit of all thoughts such as God is, what effect do you think proximity to that summit will have on the mind of any conscious being that approaches it? Just cos you claim to be an athiest is no reason your brain should not be able to grasp basic logic on non-material matters.

Yea reflect on this too, if something is said to be the summit of all crap like this post is, what does it mean?

What you think and what is are two different things.

Have you ever approached the "summit of all thought" to know what goes on there-in?

You people are such sick jokers, you all claim god cannot be phantomed, he cannot be reasoned out yet every tom, di.ck and harry out there has a thought out idea of god they think is the ultimate in accuracy.

Basic logic my arsse, show me where it says in logic that crap you posted up there.

Deep Sight:
^^^ Liar liar. Just like Atheists you know this Kay fellow is another little mind who cannot defend the definition of the words "athiest" or "agnostic"

Who appointed you his attorney?

point of correction, i don't know shi.t and neither do you.

Who died and made you judge?