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nex:

The only member of Club 1, Erastus Akingbola, has just lost his job.

When he heard he was going to be sacked, he didn't pray, he didn't ask Daddy G. O, he went to Otta Farm to beg their real God Olusegun Obasanjo.


When OBJ could not perform a miracle for him, he went and quit his job.

I wonder why Daddy G. O did not see a vision for his number one club member or even pray for him to retain his job. Why did he quit his job after his faith in OBJ was futile?


Stupid People!

Deep Sight:
Brilliant, Adaku, just Brilliant!

This is an excellent desertatation - thorough in its scope and brilliant in analytic depth. Also not stubborn and humble.

We are now on the same page on Atheism.

@ Tudor, what do you make of Aadaku's brilliant write-up,  the chic is quite smart i told you,

Come to think of it i have always wanted to marry a smart, strong-willed lady,  Adaku dont break my heart and tell me you are married already, !!!

In that manner, your "belief" in atheism is very similar to a "belief" in a God. You are correct that atheism is not a religion but in many cases neither is a belief in God.

adaku123:
The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in its article on Religion listed characteristics of religion namely:
1. Belief in supernatural beings (gods).
2. A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
3. Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
4. A moral code believed to be sanctioned by the gods.
5. Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual, and which are connected in idea with the gods.
6. Prayer and other forms of communication with gods.
9. A social group bound together by the above.
It is quite difficult to claim ATHIESM is a religion from the above….However it is also difficult to claim THEISM is a religion… the mere belief in God doesn’t automatically qualify as a religion,and many ppl who belief in God do not practice the above…
In order to have a religion, you need quite a bit more than either simple belief or disbelief. This fact is clearly reflected in the real world, because we find theism which exists outside of religion.

Rich Diddy:
Anyone heard of ELP - Empowerment for the Less Privileged ? It was started by a church Pastor. The whole idea is to reach out to the less privileged to become people of worth. You can do ur research on this. ELP has 5 vocational centers in Lagos - Agege, Ajegunle, Ajah, Lagos Island and Mushin where people acquire skills (tailoring, soap making, barbing etc) and are sent out to establish on their own. ELP also gives scholarships to students in schools. The foundation recently held a concert to raise more funds as it plans to spread to other parts of Nigeria.

Rich Diddy:
Anyone heard of ELP - Empowerment for the Less Privileged ? It was started by a church Pastor. The whole idea is to reach out to the less privileged to become people of worth. You can do ur research on this. ELP has 5 vocational centers in Lagos - Agege, Ajegunle, Ajah, Lagos Island and Mushin where people acquire skills (tailoring, soap making, barbing etc) and are sent out to establish on their own. ELP also gives scholarships to students in schools. The foundation recently held a concert to raise more funds as it plans to spread to other parts of Nigeria.

adaku123:
@ Tudor
Webstar says religion is ''a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith''  And Atheist is ''one who believes that there is no deity''
The keyword being belief. .

adaku123:
@Noetic
Thanks for agreeing with me!!! We might be related, you never know, lol

@ Deep Sight
Its alright for you to be a judge, But being a judge means you view things objectively, And you ve to research the points arguing for or against the case.You simply cant quote WIKIPEDIA, It is just not acceptable,  it is not a reliable source of information and cant form the basis of ur decision

@ Tudor
Its difficult for you to address a situation logically, I AM SHOCKED

1] When i argue about the different forms of atheisms and the well-respected  scholars involved in the field!!!You list types of society, economic ideas and political movements such as communism , capitalism, Are u kidding me

2]i name the philosophers, cultural commentators and world class professors who have studied the subject.And you ask me if nobody existed before this men,I personally picked ppl from 1500's to 21st century

4]On what basis do i accept the bible and reject the Koran Are you now a muslim Do you want to argue about muslims all of a sudden, how about you stiick to what you dont know

You can call me lazy but i simply just cant be involved in responding to things like IF SOMEONE SHOULD WERE BOXERS OR SHORTS!!! My life involves better things, AM really sorry i just cant,

5]I talk about a court ruling atheism as religion, U talk of Oj simpson, In a court of law the ruling is based on the evidence and since a court found oj simpson not guilty then it stands, Do you have prove that he is not

Or you just think he is not,U also argue about Yaradua's election which was classed as fair and correct, Yes it has been classified but thats the nigerian govt and obviously that wouldnt hold in the world court, but is that the argument here?

6] I can see i have offended ur ego by saying you cant make reasonable arguments, But that still holds YOU JUST CANT, Insulting me doesnt mean you can!!!!

I AM NOT even SURE Y you cant !!! I HAVENT BEEN IN DIS TYPE OF SITUATION AND I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!

ABANDONing THIS SHIP because OF IGNORANCE OF THE OTHER PARTY SEEMS LIKE THE BeST option,  normally ppl prove thier point and you accept it but in this case, U just cant!!!

adaku123:
@ Tudor
Webstar says religion is ''a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith''  And Atheist is ''one who believes that there is no deity''
The keyword being belief. .

C2H5OH:
how is it possible for the universe to have been in infinite existence without ever starting.  do you know of anything that exists infinitely without ever having a beginning[b] (lone exception being the God of  Abraham of course, who happens to exist independent of time). [/b]

vission:
why are you amazed at the his ability to quote scriptures, did the devil not do the same, anybody can pick up the bible and read since it is written also in English,
the toilets and bathroom mentioned are not refering to the ones in GO'S house, millions of people attend the conventions and holyghost night monthly from all over the world, there is need to provide adequately for the toiletery. if you have been to the camp you will know what i'm talking about, they are not even enough as you see crowd form long lines to bath etc, that is the reason why more are to be built.

if people are been brainwashed to serve their God, leave them, after all they are not carrying guns to proof this, neither are they killing people in the process.

The issue of the university is not the churchs fault, what do you want them to do, the level of economy is bad enough, for a standard educational level to be attained is not a joke .

someone mentioned that we should list the names of 10 richest men in the world and see if they are christians, my brother, prosperity is not only talking about your financial status, the bible says ''i wish above all things that thou mayest proper and be in health even as thy soul prospereth''
there is prosperity in health, soul, sound mind, faith etc, as a true christian you will enjoy all this.

my own is, stop calln this man of God names; the story of the little boy in the bible that was calln the man of God 'bald head' and ended up in the belly of the lion is enough lesson to learn. Men of God are not GOD but they are his representatives. if all these stuffs are being said of any islamic prophet you would have seen fire and brimstone and the whole world would delight in killing others, but here we are even christians are joining the gang of brainwashers to speak any how and call them thieves and liar and we' are suppose to feel comfortable about it.

switch47:
  RCCG ROCKS!! PASTOR ADEBOYE ROCKS!!   TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!  FROM GLORY TO GLORY TO GLORY!!!   COW dey vex dey use leg scratch ground, nothing wey e wan take Aboki do!!   THE GOOD LORD IS USING THE GO to bless many many people, Poor and Rich!!

nex:
I've reached my abode in Ugbowo, Benin City. I saw 4 Redeem Chapels. On Urubi street, another at Uselu junction (Regioners Chapel) ,  one on the street beside Kaydees (Hephsibah Assembly), then one more on Uselu-Lagos Road itself. Still no Rehabilitation Centre.


Everybody here knows how large RCCG billboards and sign boards can be. If there was any Rehabilitation Centre in Benin City, I would have seen it.

What is just annoying is that just the way Daddy G. O. can lie to them that they are saving lives in Bangladesh, that's the same way they want to lie that they are rehabilitating people in Benin City. Well, I will confirm to you that Benin is not remote enough to hide your lies. We're here.


The level of fanatism have dug so deep that people are willing to LIE in an effort to paint their earthly gods white. It is you that needs rehabilitation Mr. switch47

Deep Sight:
@ Tudor,

@ Adaku123.

Permit me to attempt to act as a Judge in your very interesting debate. (I am a lawyer by the way!).

First off: Both of you are obviously quite intellectual and you both try to bring an academic/ research slant to what you say. For this reason, i would ask that you continue the discussion, but without the insults - because quite frankly, its easy to see that neither of you is daft. So please easy up on words like "retard", "dumb", etc.

There is actually a perfect mid-point in your arguments that shows you both are somewhat right.

The mid point is this:

In colloquial terms, the word religion may indeed be applied to anything that one is so obessed with, that virtually amounts to worship, or giving one's life to that thing or that idea. I certainly know my own personal love for sexy women amounts to a religion for me: i literally worship feminine sexuality. I also worship other things that may be said to be a religion for me; football, for example. So Adaku's statements are not entirely without merit.

However we are all aware that the particular sense in which the word religion is being used on this topic is as regards spirituality and formalized worship systems, and i believe the topic opener made this clear. For this reason i am compelled to agree with Tudor that in this context the word religion only refers to its theological meaning: namely - mankind's search for God, gods, deities & entities supernatural, etc, and the worship of such.

See the link from Wikipedia here attached.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

In this respect, to the extent that atheism does not seek such, it can never be considered a religion. At best it is a mere idea, a proposition, and it is ridiculous to talk about regulating a proposition or an idea. By the way, do note that an atheist (who believes that God does not exist) is quite different from an agnostic, who believes that the idea of God is so abstract, it can never be understood, and should not be attempted.

Have i been a good judge? Rate me guys.

noetic2:
did tudor actually read adakwu's last post before responding? 

JeSoul:
ROTFLOL . . . see koboko!   

blacksta:
@

Tudor  I wish i could answer your question but unfortunately i am not a RCCG member - But i can tell you what my own local church is doing to be a blessing to the members and neighbors of the church.

adaku123:
@ Tudor

Lol, Seriously, Is that the best you could come up with at your age, My bestfriend is an atheist [/b]and makes sound reasonable judgements,

You best friend is an atheist, so what?
What are we supposed do. . . .crown you Miss Congeniality?

Don't flatter yourself, wherever you see a smart and intelligent fellow you would always see a nagging retard tagging along.
From your posts and the level of thinking you present, it aint that hard to know who's who in that friendship.

But what you can come up with is that a belief in WEARING BOXERS RATHER THAN TIGHTS IS ALSO A BELIEVE RELIGION,

Is the argument not valid?
You haven't said anything to dismiss this as a religion.
Pls do and stop lazily avoiding the question.

What do you want me to do?? Quote dictionaries, I will, Webstar says religion is ''a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith''  And Atheist is ''one who believes that there is no deity''

[b]The keyword being belief, If you are going to argue then do it logical, Being an atheist you guys are suppose to be very logical and you always come with proofs of this and that,

An atheist doesn't simply lack positive belief in God. The atheist has positive belief in the non-existence of God."

Atheists are hypocrites for attacking the faithful when atheism itself is a result of faith. Even a court declared it a religion http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45874

Religion is a philosophy of life. So is atheism. Examples are Secular Humanism and even forms of buddhism.

Religions has its leaders, the preachers of its tenets. So does atheism (Nietzsche, Feuerbach, Lenin, Marx).

Religion has its faithful believers, who guard the orthodoxy of the faith. So does atheism.

Religions believe in Eschatology, And most atheists believe in this even though its not about goin to heaven or hell, 

And religion is a matter of faith, not certainty. Your own faithful say that,  Cosidering science changes everyday but the WORD OF GOD Christianity remains the same,

Dont argue like a retard, U are shaming the nigerian population,  If you u see a flaw in my argument , correct ME, 

Agressiveness is not the method to argue, It shows WEAKNESS , Do you think i didnt read all the posts before commenting? D guy said ATHIESM should also be regulated since its a religion, And yes it is a religion!!!

if you are going to talk about something, Back it UP, OK, Dont ARgue like a DULL CHILD ,

switch47:
the haters can talk and RANT from now till eternity[b]. THERE IS NOTHING YOU ALL CAN DO ABOUT IT!! [/b] every man to his own belief and opinion!! your rants abot another man's belief and those you seek to defend or agree with goes to no issue!!   ADEBOYE ROCKS!! ADEBOYE RIDES HIGH-----RCCG MEMBERS ARE NOT COMPLAINING!!  RANT ON____--no be today una begin talk------you can only rant-and rant and--------rant it has no effect of Gods blessings!!   RANT on!! ADEBOYE remains a legend.  am i also hypnotised------my God----- how e take concern you where and the pastor i choose to give my cash?? ehn??  do your own , i do my own!! end of story!!   talk from now till eternity!!  Wetin dey don dey---------who dey go RCCG full groung---make una dey vomit everything possible. E NO CONCERN WHO GO DONATE GIVE CHURCH!!    THE GATE OF HELL SHALL NEVER PREVAIL!!


The first ten foremost pastors in Nigeria today are Yorubas. The only pastor in Africa that made it to 100 most influential people in the world is Pastor Adeboye.  HE WILL ONLY BELIEVE GODS REPORT ABOUT HIM---NOT THAT OF MEN!!


@ TUDOR
  Coming from somebody who disputes the very existence of God----you are a star!!   are you into comedy or something!! you have been very entertaining