₦airaland Forum

89green:
Our women are precious, we won't start 'parading' them, we always encourage proper dressings.

Firstly, in what world is a 12 year-old a woman? Don't answer. It's in the world of a sexually perverse, carnal and corrupt religion. And no, Islam hates women. Allowing males to unquestionably beat them, unilaterally enter polygynous unions and take sex slaves. Why would any country want to be like 7th century Arabia or current day Afghanistan?


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^{plus, whilst single sex races are allowed in the UK, exclusion based on gender or age contravenes anti-discrimination laws.}

Sterope:
Yaeh right, the same Christians that came to Africa but perpetuated the worst slave trade ever. Interpreted the Bible to claim the black race is cvrsed. Those ones?

The honour due the bolded actually belongs to the arab\islamic slave trade. It may just be ignorance and not ill-intent on your part, but a cursory search would have shown this. I'm feeling generous so a précis for anyone reading.

The arab\islamic slave trade was longer, took more captives and was more brutal than the trans-atlantic slave trade.

It lasted from the 7th until the 20th century. Until it was abolished by threat of the UK. And, although there is a seeming de jure abolition, in practice it persists. You can still buy "black people" in slave markets in the arab\islamic world today. Further, it is embedded in the Islamic texts and doctrinally (as with most islamic practices) arguments can be made either way.

There are estimates of up to 18 million for the number of sub-saharan Africans alone. Noting that the trade spanned continents reaching as far as Europe, India and China.

One notable point about the arab\islamic trade was the brutality with which the slaves were treated. Despite the number of slaves taken, does anyone wonder why there are no large extant populations in north African countries unlike north America? It's because the preferred (mostly young male slaves) were routinely castrated. I could go into the resultant lifelong health issues and shortened life-span, but hopefully you get the point.

I stop here as the thought of beta arab male moon god worshippers castrating black African males...anyway. So please feel free to worship the god with no name presented by a prophet with no provenance and scripture that is best described as parody or pastiche but don't gaslight us about it's regressive nature and love of death and destruction.


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^{ps - I don't actually give a rats arse about what the vatican does or does not do.}

GloriousGbola:
There is a limit to what can be done if the community chooses not to report . Also when the community will immediately drop the religious card.

We could be tougher - properly crackdown. But are politicians are both weak and beholden. And, it's spreading beyond the host community and creating wider tensions. Not to mention the agitation and drive for Islamisation.

RodgersAkpafu:
Like one fool in Rotherham that went to assault a young girl
The parents reporter him and he was banged up

Some ppl said that what they did was bad as per na Paki Paki them be, but them no send

Things are changing

Like I said above, it is not contained within the host community - not that that would make it acceptable. And in some respects it's changing for the worse. We'll see.

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RodgersAkpafu:
The spate of honour killings has dramatically reduced in the UK

It is now a very serious offense and the govt don dey put eye for there

If you stop by Brum or Bradford
More and more South Asian barneys (i hate to use this word, but that aptly describes them) are hopping on black gbola

Sometimes in code
sometimes in the open

I avoid Brum and the heavily asian\muslim areas of the country like a plague. I consider Luton foreign and hostile territory. If I want to sample the delights of Pakistan I'll visit Karachi.

Not sure why, but I had you down as someone who could reason with more than just his todger .
There are a host of allied abuses and harmful practices. Inter-alia , forced marriage, cousin marriage, polygyny, FGM, assaults and rape.

Do try not to be facile.


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GloriousGbola:
I am a Muslim...Take away the Jews from the equation and most of the Muslim world will immediatelunlook

GloriousGbola:
and THAT is the problem everyone else has moved on from this 'we dont do that anymore'. except fundamentalist muslims

benalvino3:
You would think my Muslim friends would support my relationship with a Muslim, but they are not happy we were dating. But when we go clubs, they want to jump on every white girl they see. It's not hard to feel like an outsider even with your friends.

Thanks for your unambiguously frank posts. For all that, they won't hear it. They'll deflect, project, rationalise, justify, obfuscate. TBH, Islam has very little wherewithal in and of itself. It is only gaining traction in the West due to the useful idiots.

Do try not to get her honour kpaid.

RodgersAkpafu:
To answer your question
My chica is of Pakistani descent
Very sweet woman

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LordReed:
Oh my. Been a long time I saw you around. Hope you are well.

I am sir. We all are thank God - trust likewise. And with wifey and the young ladies. Cheers. TV

DeepSight:
Are they not? Of course they are. That's basic genetics. They become fifty percent Igbo and fifty percent wherever she is from. If this process goes on for 2000 years no one can tell what the descendants would be.

You are seemingly big on nuance in discussion - and rightly so. Simplified reductionist points can help move discussions along, but care must be taken to ensure they don't mislead, stymie or become absolutist.

It also helps to consider the issue in question in other forms. I and my wife are both ethnic Yorubas. Born and raised in London to ethnic Yoruba parents. Whilst we are British\Banza English , we remain ethnically Yoruba. As do our children after us. The same would apply to their children - even if some ethnic intermingling occurred. And, I would consider them as having a greater claim on Kwara state than the Fula - if those territories were ever reclaimed .

The Jews were and have always been very conscious of maintaining their lineage, culture, traditions, customs and language. The more conservative amongst them typically marry other Jews. They are not alone in this regard. We see it amongst Asian populations in Britain. They rarely "marry out". I am not claiming there has been no inter-mingling or even dilution as you term it. Or even a population of secular Jews. But Jews they remain

One thing you commonly touted is that Israeli Jews are are essentially of Ashkenazi stock. This is wrong. The Misrahi constitute a greater proportion of the starting population, having migrated from the surrounding middle-eastern nations. It is worth noting that diasporic Mizrahis numbered close to a million pre-state of Israel. There are now only a few thousand left outside Israel. What happened there? There are also Sephardic, Falasha and others.

Likewise the trope that Israel is an ethno-nationalist or Apartheid state. Again, not evidenced and not true. Israel has minorities and a 20% Arab\muslim demographic with full rights (except military conscription). Per above, no Middle-Eastern country can boast of that kind of minority representation or treatment. The "Palestinians" outside of Israel chose the side of the Arab\muslim invaders during earlier confrontations and paid the price.


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DeepSight:
Question.

For Supernatural Degree in Human Political Relations. Select from the options below.
Question: What has brought the ceasefire in Gaza. Options (You may select more than one).

As long as we realise there may well be other influences or factors here not listed - but let's go with what we have shall we

DeepSight:
1. The recognition of the State of Palestine by European Powers.

Nope. In my esteem, this meant diddly squat. Not Cossack squat, not deep squat, diddly squat. There has been extant recognition of the "Palestinian state" by various actors for a while now. To be frank, I see it as more of a slogan. Lacking real intent or desire. The recognition by "European Powers" was at best mere virtue signalling. It's telling that there hasn't been a squeak from any of the EuroPowers about actual state lines or borders. Moreso, since they have all lauded the Trump ceasefire, which I read as designed to hamstring any efforts to implement a 2SS. At worst, I could read conspiracy. The recognition followed by the lauding, could have served to wrong-foot Hamas.

DeepSight:
2. The singular effort of the President of the United States.

Whilst President Trumps part was likely determinant, he couldn't have done it alone. The timing was also questionable. The Israelis had literally pounded everything poundable. The ref had to step in at this point.

DeepSight:
3. The singular effort of the Prime Minister of Israel.

It wasn't his effort, or even about that. For Beni it was a good deal. His stated aim of freeing the hostages and seriously denuding the threat posed by hamas (and bonus points for the hezzies, houthis and Iran, not to mention a sideswipe at the Qatari. Plus, it seems that Israel can resume hostilities with very little pretext.

DeepSight:
4. Global moral pressure.

Really? How far up your fundament did you go to dig that one out. Global is actually the right word - in an existential sense. Israel at least realise that.

DeepSight:
5. The conscience of humanity.

Stop already. Who has issue with non-muslims treating muslims the way muslims would treat non-muslims if they were so opportuned? And spare me the women and babies trope. The truth is muslims hate the Jews more than they love their children and the ideology clearly hates women .

DeepSight:
6. The efforts of Arab Powers.

The so called Arab powers are effete. Moreso than their Euro counterparts. The Arab\Islamic world is riven by rival claims for dominance. The Turks would love to revive the Ottoman empire, the Iranians impose their shia strain, while the Saudis claim to be islamic Ife . Compounded by Saudis realisation that Islams regressive nature will impoverish them faster than a drug habit - hence the push for modernisation and a move away from Islams fundamentl tenets - which lot's of muslims are unsettled by and aghast at, but confused as to what to do .

DeepSight:
7. The IDF.

Quite superb as a fighting force and they proved it militarily by engaging on a number of fronts simultaneously. I would however nominate Mossad for the frankly spirit sapping offensives. Their pager booby trap gambit was like whoa - legendary. With layered follow-up. Straight up!

DeepSight:
8. Hamas.

The Hamas charter (akin to the Iranian constitution and along with core Islam) is to erase Israel and obliterate Jewry. A ceasefire without that happening is at best an interregnum. First they want the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.

DeepSight:
9. The efforts of scholars and thinkers.

Please.

DeepSight:
10. The efforts of responsible journalists.

Journalists report on events. Very few covered themselves with any glory here. The propaganda was off the charts. With staged events and paid influencers. I watched BBC and AL-Jazeera to name 2 - the bias was dripping bro' .

DeepSight:
11. The flotilla.

That was a totally farcical sideshow and utterly irrelevant.

DeepSight:
12. The unique efforts of South Africa.

You could have expatiated on these efforts. I personally stopped taking SA seriously when Jacob Zuma took a 4th wife whist in office. That's just me. I'm sure there are those who can make sense of that.

I posted my thoughts about the conflict here - https://www.nairaland.com/8532379/breaking-news-statement-hamas/1#137012005

Cheers

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MightySparrow:
Anytime the Nobel Prize for outstanding scientists, economists, and other fields benefitting humanity is announced yearly, hardly can you see a Muslim name there.

Islam is regressive. It basically offers 2 choices; 7th century Saudi Arabia or 20th Century Afghanistan. Slim pickings, and hardly fertile ground for reason, rational thinking, scientific enquiry and technological advancement. The Judeo-Christian worldview on the other hand does just that. evidenced by their advancement and institutions Not so much the madrassa and ile Kéwú.

MightySparrow:
Science, Mathematics, all civilizations started in the now Islam dominated portions of the world.

That is an outright lie. Firstly, oftentimes post-conquest, islamc rulers allowed centres of knowledge and education to continue as they were, but they were all re-labelled as muslim - like conquerors are wont to do.

Secondly, all the discoveries attributed to Islamic scholarship were already discovered by other civilisations (mainly Greeks and even Hindus). Per point 1 above, for a time Islam allowed extant centres of knowledge to continue and even flourish, and were particularly noted for collating and translating extant scientific literature.

Nothing new or conducive to humanities flourishing and advancement has or can emanate from a wholly Islam milieu - feel free to demonstrate otherwise.

budaatum:
Yes, there have been many Muslims that have done spectacular things that deserve the Nobel, and the fact you don't know is more indicative of you.

Wrong. Or at best misleading. Muslim recipients of Nobel Prizes tend to be enabled by, and emerge from, the Western milieu. It's not about ethnicity or race, it's about cultural and sectarian morés. I trust this was not an attempt to obfuscate?

Demonstrated by the overweight of Jews in the Nobel Peace prize stakes. Barely 15million people outperform a 2 billion ummah. Please humanity needs Jews - like wow !


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AntiChristian:
I don't know why you guys lie through your teeth! Well, I guess when lies has been peddled for long people see it as the truth! So you're not to be blamed too much!

Please sir, blame me wholeheartedly . Biblical events including the death and resurrection of The Lord Jesus Christ were prophesied centuries before they occurred and historically attested too by non Christian sources. Islam which came 600 years later attempts to overturn historical facts and replace fulfilled prophecy.

The whole of Islam is; stolen scripture, along with extant myths and fables of the time. Glued together by false assertion, bogus claims and outright lies. You claim the god of Islam sent our Jesus? Then that god failed woefully, as the result of The Lord Jesus' work was over 2 billion followers of a religion that is not Islam Listen to yourselves!

AntiChristian:
If your name is TV01 in English, can I also change it to another language while it still remains the same? All these names "Jesus", "Iesus" and "Iēsous" (from English , Latin and Greek) even Jesus himself doesn't recognize!

The God of the bible personally revealed Himself to mankind and gave us His personal name. This name is reflected in the names of His prophets. Isaiah, Jerimiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, all reference the personal name and attributes\character of the God of the Bible - not some generically named deity called Allah. Likewise the name of His Only Begotten Jesus The Christ. You claim the biblical prophets for Islam, show us how their names reference the islamic Allah?

AntiChristian:
Eesa is the name of the son of Mary in the Qur'an! Whether you like it or not that remains so til the world ends!

Sir, you are free to believe whatever you choose and the koran can say whatever it likes. That doesn't mean either your beliefs or scriptures are true.

The virgin Mary indeed gave birth to The Lord Jesus Christ. That is bible. And the earthly lineage of The Lord is detailed severally. And one thing is sure. The Lord came through the tribe of Judah, not Levi. The quoranic Mary is identifies as Miriam the sister of Aaron & Moses. A typical islamc Fail

Islam has no timeline, no lineage of Mohammed or Jesus, or anyone else. It has no historical attestation, no prophecy before, or after. It is one long contrived narrative. Period.

AntiChristian:
Jesus's real name he bore while alive must have been in his language no doubt and that wasn't Jesus.

Jehoshua aka Joshua aka Jesus", "Iesus" and "Iēsous" (from English , Latin and Greek - as you noted ) .

Giannis Antetokounmpo the Nigerian-Greek basketball player carries a Hellenized surname. Read below. And please note the reference to John.

After gaining Greek citizenship, his official surname became Αντετοκούνμπο, the Greek transcription of Adetokunbo, which was then transliterated letter-for-letter and officially spelled on his Greek passport as Antetokounmpo. Giannis is a Modern Greek variant of Ioannes (John).

Don't bother thanking me . Come to Christ and take your place in God's eternal Kingdom. I'd love to see you there.


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BlackfireX:
Let's start with no.7
You said Muhammad ibn Abdullah was prophesied in the Bible by Yasua al messaih.... please please please can you show me 1 book or chapter or verse

Truth is one could start and stop a at any point in the wider fabricated islamic narrative and the post quoted. The very opening sentence for example.

AntiChristian:
We will refer to Jesus as ‘Eesa throughout this article.

The name "Jesus" has a very specific meaning. "The God who saves\of our salvation". Or my personal favourite, "The Lord our saviour".
Eesa is not a transliteration and has no meaning.

Jesus proceeds from YHWH..."The I Am That I Am". The Son whose name has a meaning derives from the God who has a name. The name Eesa has no meaning and the claims are he was by a God who has no name. Does the Islamic god have a personal or revealed name?

Same could be said of all the other prophets purloined by islam. There names all point to The Living God Who has blessed us with a Personal revelation of Himself.

Further more, the koran places Eesa as a Levite....wrong, He is from the tribe of Judah.

Come to Christ and be saved. There is no other name.


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RodgersAkpafu:
I had a long response to ur "interesting " inferiority complex inspired post
But the mod has deleted it...

Broken record much. Smears, aspersions and assertions - then hiding behind the mods. What a loser

RodgersAkpafu:
I'll just summarise one point
There is NO correlation whatsoever between the ethnic composition of a city and the "development" or "shittiness" of that city

Liar, you clearly stated this;

RodgersAkpafu:
Imagine someone saying that the decline of white populations in these countries are directly correlated with the decline of development in that country, when here in Britain, the most developed population centres are the ones that most diverse and have a somewhat minority white population?

Which led to my offer of dash & 3 questions - none of which you could address.
1. That he most developed population centres in Britain where only developed or, in any way, experienced a quantifiable increase in development with the increase in the non-white population. I'll double it if you can also demonstrate separately that development increases as white people leave. See a twofer - how generous am I grin?
2. Demonstrate that it was not the development of the population centres that attracted the minorities in the first instance?
3. Point to any institution, cultural practice or social moré that has improved Britain, that was not extant prior to mass migration and only arose as a result of the influx of non-white people. I am not referring to curry houses, nail salons or barber shops 0! grin

RodgersAkpafu:
That was the parallel I was trying to draw
But u MUST defend White Zaddy (as per your response to my Blackpool reference) so you jumped the gun and said what you said

Stop trying to deflect, obfuscate and deploy your usual boring and played-out ruse, henceforth named the "rakpafu smear fallback" . Far-right, racist, white supremacist, coon, coconut, house-nigger, it doesn't an argument make. Or, show any kind of critical thinking or basic intellectual capacity. I have said nothing about Blackpool.

RodgersAkpafu:
Lets draw a 2 × 2 Matrix

As per the UK:
We have:

White Majority composition shitholes: eg Blackpool, Glasgow (not everywhere though)

White Majority upscale areas : Harrogate, Swinderby,

Ethnic Majority /almost Majority/significant population upscale cities /areas : London, Manchester, Leeds, etc (btw I live in a city that can be designated as this)

AND

Ethnic Majority shitholes: Inner city Brum and say Bradford

What makes Inner city Bradford and Brum a shit hole is rhe SAME THING that makes a Blackpool and Glasgow environs a shithole despite the parallel racial composition of the four areas

So how can one, unless he has a lower self and racial self esteem
Then conclude that there is a strong link between the decline of "White ppl" in an area and the development of that area

The straw man of ethnicity doesn't work. No one ever claimed non-whites were inferior to whites. Neither ruse of poverty. It's about culture, about behaviours. So yes, the influx of certain minorities and sects bringing regressive behaviours is leading the UK to shit-holery. Quote me.

RodgersAkpafu:
London is led by Sadiq and it is a better city now than it was on the 1960s So what are we saying ?

And a 3-term mayor is responsible for 65 years of progress or turning around a decline.? What manner of dunderhead are you? And, no, for the man on the street, it's not better. Mobile phone thefts off the charts. Ditto muggings. Shop-lifting is not even policed. Let me leave endemic levels of sexual assault & rape gangage. Oh, and your personal favourite, sky-high levels of black teens getting shanked. But you are fine with that, as long as we don't say it's because they are black. Please show London is better because an ethnic minority is mayor and\or there has been an influx of minority residents?

RodgersAkpafu:
I see you guys and I see people that need help

Keep projecting. Why did you come to the UK. Karachi is there . Full of highly accomplished and superior brown-skinned people.

Reply with the RSF jig again and I will tell you all about yourself - the reason for your withered self-esteem and why you take solace in blaming our melanin-challenged brethren for all your palpitations .


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RodgersAkpafu:
A congregation of kneegrows with low self esteem and white saviour complex

Do you actually have anything other than smears and aspersions ?

RodgersAkpafu:
Imagine someone saying that the decline of white populations in these countries are directly correlated with the decline of development in that country, when here in Britain, the most developed population centres are the ones that most diverse and have a somewhat minority white population?

Ah, there you go, you have effectively answered my question above with this here statement.

You accuse (and roundly smear) someone who clams that decline of white people in a nation (and consequently the increase in non-whites) is directly correlated to the decline of the country. This may be right or wrong, weakly, strongly or totally uncorrelated, nuanced or pertaining to specific social outworkings only.

I don't know who posted it or if there was any supporting data? But then you go on to make exactly the same claim in reverse. Your hypocrisy, stupidity and plain ignorance are quite staggering.

Let's not play. I will give you (or any of the posters who liked your post) £500, if you can evidence any of the following;

1. That he most developed population centres in Britain where only developed or, in any way, experienced a quantifiable increase in development with the increase in the non-white population. I'll double it if you can also demonstrate separately that development increases as white people leave. See a twofer - how generous am I ?

2. Demonstrate that it was not the development of the population centres that attracted the minorities in the first instance?

3. Point to any institution, cultural practice or social moré that has improved Britain, that was not extant prior to mass migration and only arose as a result of the influx of non-white people. I am not referring to curry houses, nail salons or barber shops 0!

Please show us that you are not the embodiment of entrenched bigotry, racial hatred and a die-hard consumer of pathological quantities of ideological kool-aid. After arguing till you were blue in the face that black people are equal to white people , you posit the opposite here.

RodgersAkpafu:
Blackpool is a shithole and is majority white
If white people are by default the developers by skin colour, we won't be having a Blackpool and other white dominated cesspit here.

If you can answer the previous 3 questions I posed, I may respond to this in more detail. Guess what, I am not holding my breath. Your cowardly and craven tactics are quite obvious

RodgersAkpafu:
Just a bunch of wanna be "Christian evangelicals" gobbling up misinformation media from their white nationalist ppl they look up to

Come to Christ and be saved.


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A two-state solution (2SS) can never endure in the Israel\Palestine conflict – not least because neither side wants it! And, it will do nothing to change the underpinnings of the conflict. That much should be clear however one views this. I find it hard to believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is anything but naive, ignoant or disingenuous.

Let’s start with Palestine. Firstly, there have been several previous offers. All of them rejected out of hand and only served to prompt further terror attacks.

Secondly, “from the river to the sea” leaves Jews and a Jewish state where exactly? That chant, now being raised globally means only one thing. Why the pretence?

Thirdly, central to the Hamas charter is the eradication of any Israeli state and Jews worldwide. And, this mission statement is explicitly stated or, covertly understood and shared, by all the surrounding Arab\Arabized\Islamic nations. There is a deep-rooted Islamic loathing towards Israel and Jewry which realpolitik cannot resolve. Hence the previous – woefully unsuccessful - attempts by Islamic coalitions to war against and, annihilate Israel.

Iran, who we know funds Islamic terror groups against Israel and more widely across the globe also states this out loud. Iran regularly trumpets its intention to obliterate both Israel and the US, and impose sharia worldwide - It's stated unambiguously in the Iranian constitution.

Fourthly, for any muslim to cede Jerusalem, the Levant, or any part of the region described as Palestine to Jews would be tantamount to sacrilege, apostasy even. Which is one reason why all previous 2SS have been rejected. Dem no born any muslim well to relinquish land once conquered by muslims to those deemed infidels - let alone the “holy land” and Jerusalem, which muslims have backfilled into their scriptures and religious narrative. The same muslims that still unblinkingly claim Spain as Islamic territory - insisting on naming it Al Andalusia.

Fifthly, the Islamic scriptures are clear, the last day will not come until muslims war against and eradicate the Jews, that is the unspoken end-game. And Islam is, and will continue to pursue that in any which way possible.

Finally, those calling for the 2SS are virtue-signalling and for the most part will not put 1 worn-out boot on the ground (not yet anyway, but that prophecy will soon come to pass). Any Islamic nation that joins the call is doing so to curry favour with useful idiots and press home the advantage of world opinion turning against Israel.

The thought of a Jewish state in the midst of the Islamic heartland, on territory once conquered by Islam is anathema to muslims. Forget all notions of "right to exist", to muslims, the very existence of a Jewish state is offensive, an affront and like an open wound. 2SS, for where?
Now to Israel. Whether explicitly stated or not, Israel know exactly what they are dealing with and understand that to give an inch or to show any sign of weakness is to sign their own death warrant.

Israel know any nation carved out of Israel for a Palestinian state would be a constant thorn in their side. Afterall, what happened with the quasi-state (the Gaza strip) that was relinquished to the Palestinians? It was effectively turned into one big rocket launcher and munitions base. Riddled with tunnels and weapons caches, with all civilian facilities (and civilians) co-opted for military use. How much more a fully fledged state?

Not even sure why Nigerians of all people are debating this - it's the same spirit that animates the jihad - aka boko-haram, iswap, herdsmen killings, bandit raids etc. - currently sweeping through Nigeria and further abroad in Africa. It is also making appearances – albeit still mostly sporadic – in the West.

With Islam, there is always a reckoning – one side is subdued or one side surrenders. And as long as even a modicum of Islam exits, it will seek to regroup and return to its core imperative – world domination. The sword as it's tool, death and destruction in i’s wake. Will it end? Armageddon beckons.

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Please excuse the cynic in me, but this “peace agreement” sounds intentionally crafted to receive a resounding "no" from Hamas - and subsequently tee them up for the mother of all poundings.

A two-state solution (2SS) can never endure in the Israel\Palestine conflict – not least because neither side wants it! And, it will do nothing to change the underpinnings of the conflict. That much should be clear however one views this. I find it hard to believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is anything but naive, ignoant or disingenuous.

Let’s start with Palestine. Firstly, there have been several previous offers. All of them rejected out of hand and only served to prompt further terror attacks.

Secondly, “from the river to the sea” leaves Jews and a Jewish state where exactly? That chant, now being raised globally means only one thing. Why the pretence?

Thirdly, central to the Hamas charter is the eradication of any Israeli state and Jews worldwide. And, this mission statement is explicitly stated or, covertly understood and shared, by all the surrounding Arab\Arabized\Islamic nations. There is a deep-rooted Islamic loathing towards Israel and Jewry which realpolitik cannot resolve. Hence the previous – woefully unsuccessful - attempts by Islamic coalitions to war against and, annihilate Israel.

Iran, who we know funds Islamic terror groups against Israel and more widely across the globe also states this out loud. Iran regularly trumpets its intention to obliterate both Israel and the US, and impose sharia worldwide - It's stated unambiguously in the Iranian constitution.

Fourthly, for any muslim to cede Jerusalem, the Levant, or any part of the region described as Palestine to Jews would be tantamount to sacrilege, apostasy even. Which is one reason why all previous 2SS have been rejected. Dem no born any muslim well to relinquish land once conquered by muslims to those deemed infidels - let alone the “holy land” and Jerusalem, which muslims have backfilled into their scriptures and religious narrative. The same muslims that still unblinkingly claim Spain as Islamic territory - insisting on naming it Al Andalusia.

Fifthly, the Islamic scriptures are clear, the last day will not come until muslims war against and eradicate the Jews, that is the unspoken end-game. And Islam is, and will continue to pursue that in any which way possible.

Finally, those calling for the 2SS are virtue-signalling and for the most part will not put 1 worn-out boot on the ground (not yet anyway, but that prophecy will soon come to pass). Any Islamic nation that joins the call is doing so to curry favour with useful idiots and press home the advantage of world opinion turning against Israel.

The thought of a Jewish state in the midst of the Islamic heartland, on territory once conquered by Islam is anathema to muslims. Forget all notions of "right to exist", to muslims, the very existence of a Jewish state is offensive, an affront and like an open wound. 2SS, for where?
Now to Israel. Whether explicitly stated or not, Israel know exactly what they are dealing with and understand that to give an inch or to show any sign of weakness is to sign their own death warrant.

Israel know any nation carved out of Israel for a Palestinian state would be a constant thorn in their side. Afterall, what happened with the quasi-state (the Gaza strip) that was relinquished to the Palestinians? It was effectively turned into one big rocket launcher and munitions base. Riddled with tunnels and weapons caches, with all civilian facilities (and civilians) co-opted for military use. How much more a fully fledged state?

Not even sure why Nigerians of all people are debating this - it's the same spirit that animates the jihad - aka boko-haram, iswap, herdsmen killings, bandit raids etc. - currently sweeping through Nigeria and further abroad in Africa. It is also making appearances – albeit still mostly sporadic – in the West.

With Islam, there is always a reckoning – one side is subdued or one side surrenders. And as long as even a modicum of Islam exits, it will seek to regroup and return to its core imperative – world domination. The sword as it's tool, death and destruction in i’s wake. Will it end? Armageddon beckons.

My 2 shekels


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Difrent:
Are Pakistani causing trouble in the UK?

Was this meant to be a rhetorical question? Or, were you really expecting an answer? Did you actually look into it? Well here goes,

Yes, in broad terms, Pakistanis are a drag on the UK. You mentioned their implication in the Rape gang scandal - anywhere between 250k - 1 million mostly young white girls (but also boys, and other ethnicities), systematically raped, tortured, trafficked, drugged and even murdered. Literally zero acknowledgment or self-reflection from within the community itself.

How about other societal practices endemic within the Pakistani community. Let's start with cousin marriage - in this age? Compounded generationally, and gifting us with higher than usual congenitally low IQ and chronically ill children - with the attendant cost to the NHS and wider society.

How about honour killing and oppression of women more broadly. Leading to many failing to integrate or even speak English. Then there's the polygyny. Again, often on the public purse. One wife is married legally, and others islamically. The "add-ons" present to social services as single mothers and attract the attendant benefits. A man can have multiple wives, numerous children and no gainful employment.

At something like 4% the population, apart from being a drag on the NHS and welfare system, they are alsooverrepresented within the prison system. I'll forego comment on the rampant anti-semitism, virulent homophobia and corrupt tribal and sectarian politics.

Difrent:
Sadiq Khan has been mayor for 4 terms,

Three actually.

Difrent:
though some Pakistani were indicted in the rape cases, most are not a danger to the society

Yayy! you are correct. Many are not, but a disproportionate number are.

Nothing against any race or ethnicity being in Britain, but any right-minded person should decry the importation of backward and regressive practices that make the UK like a 3rd world shithole. Those who think highly of Pakistan should please visit - your eye go clear.

And that is why many "want their country back". Not from "brown skinned" people, but from the forced erosion of the heritage, culture and traditions of this nation. Especially when backward cultures and sectarianism are being forced on them in turn.


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RodgersAkpafu:
Yesso
My Shabana babe don enter home office

And she will do AN AMAZING JOB
That i know

That remains to be seen. Not clear she delivered a stellar performance in her previous office.

RodgersAkpafu:
As for the racists crying up and down
They should cry more

A stellar performance will shut any racists up and be clear to all right-minded, well-meaning people.

RodgersAkpafu:
This country is now OUR COUNTRY too
Including the Pakistani descent ppl
And us as well

And therein lies the rub. Claiming it as "our country" is one thing - what that means in actuality is another.

If the people of Pakistani descent (or Nigerian or Indian ad infinitum) aspire to the long-term prosperity and flourishing of "our country" and all it's citizens, then yes.

If the people of Pakistani descent (or Nigerian or Indian ad infinitum) desire to turn "our country" into a mirror image of the poverty-riddled, sectarian-ridden hellscapes they originated from and introduce the pathological behaviours (honour killings, cousin-marriage, 419, ritual killings, FGM etc.) that made them the shitholes they are, then no, then tension, then contrary and conflicting positions.

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@rodgersakpafu,

remember your post below and my response? Seems like your girl is still on the up and up. Congratulations to you both - for now!
I stand by my words that she will ultimately come a cropper due to where her true loyalties lie. Then again, maybe you will be proved right beyond even your wildest dreams - Shabs as PM ?

RodgersAkpafu:
@TV01

Just to clarify that my admiration for Shabana is rooted in her stand on issues and stating it without fear or favour

Has nothing to do with a "school boy crush"
Or "losing objectivity"
Just to point that our before you get things twisted

Relax yourself, that was just joshing, not a serious point. As noted, I care not for politics, political parties or individual politicians. I'll be back to josh you some more when she gets caught up in scandal.

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Ibime:
Believe Pallywood propaganda at your peril

Parents are obese, children are starving

One brother is fat, his sibling is malnourished

Them go package sick children as famine victims

I hear they are still booking tables in Gaza.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGTMN9mgKcc


But don't take an Israeli's word for it. Even Even Naijas are catching on

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IlgAium0TgM

It's not even cleverly staged. Carers and handlers are clearly well nourished, but the children are suffering from starvation?

More likely seriously-ill children being presented as famine victims. Likely much of the illnesses are due to the cousin-marriage beloved amongst the adherents of the reginal religion.

Google Gazan children being taken abroad for treatment. There are examples of them being taken to the US, the UK, France, Italy Spain, Canada and even Israel. Presumably the Arab\Muslim countries are also making efforts in this regards?


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AntiChristian:
Even if it is 1% clear, clear is clear!

Thanks. Happy to peg accordingly.

BlackfireX:
You are not even sure how clear your recitation is?

When one is forced to understand the incomprehensible, defend the indefensible and explain the inexplicable, it can only result in a deep-seated trauma. Let's be kind .


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AntiChristian:
Here what is meant is not just any recitation as you say! It is a clear book!

Hello, your claim above, about the Koran being a "clear book". How clear? Absolutely, totally, 100%, 90%. Are you able to say definitively?


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Hussein27:
✍🏻No religion on earth has honored women the way Islam does. Halal Muslim Couple

I suppose if one takes a very extreme definition of the word "honored" (sic). But don't take my word for it, listen to these 2 muslimahs .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCWgPm3z8sU


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It warms my heart to see the bold and learned Christian defence of the faith. And like one mentioned, there are enemies abroad here attempting to confuse with clumsy efforts to re-narrate the Holy Scriptures.

Yes, it's true that many (not all) Jews reject Christ. That is clearly written and part of Gods unfolding plan. That happened so that we (the Gentiles) would also be afforded the Lords salvation. Someone has already kindly posted Romans 11.

And, yes, there are many amongst them that still practice abominations and reject God. That will not alter Gods unfolding plan or nullify His covenant. Ultimately Israel' eyes will clear and they will see and accept "Him whom they Pierced. And, those deserving of God's judgement will still fall under it - be that for worshipping false gods, perversity or war crimes.

In the interim, no one can declare Gods covenant abrogated - and at once claim the land is possessed by others - sorry, no cry. And as much as there are those who stridently proclaim this is about land, you are right, it is, the land The Lord allotted to Jacob by statute. You are also wrong, because it isn't, it's a spiritual war, being played out in part on the ground .

And, if you back any other than the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ you will lose - ultimately and eternally. There will however, come a time - prophesied - when the whole world will amass against Israel. This may include the US, it depends
if certain elements who hate the very notion of a Jewish state get into power.

Afterall, there are only 7 million odd Jews in Israel, if your gods are big enough, let them take it - you will meet the God who answers by fire. All these political proclamations, protest marches and campus activism are getting a bit boring. No be by mouth.

I was reading psalm 105 just yesterday evening

Psalm 105 -The Eternal Faithfulness of the Lord
Oh, give thanks to the Lord!
Call upon His name;
Make known His deeds among the peoples!
2 Sing to Him, sing psalms to Him;
Talk of all His wondrous works!
3 Glory in His holy name;
Let the hearts of those rejoice who seek the Lord!
4 Seek the Lord and His strength;
Seek His face evermore!
5 Remember His marvelous works which He has done,
His wonders, and the judgments of His mouth,
6 O seed of Abraham His servant,
You children of Jacob, His chosen ones!

7 He is the Lord our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.

8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the allotment of your inheritance,”
12 When they were few in number,
Indeed very few, and strangers in it.

I have just one question for those who say the supposed occupants of Israel today are not the Israelites of the bible. Where are the remnant of the Israelite of the bible today?


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What is this "rightward" shift of which you speak? And why should such sentiment be considered ill-motivated for the indigenes of the UK or any other country?

Having relocated due to the dire situation in your home nation, and having no real desire (or is it hope?) of fixing things back home, there appears to be the expectation(or is it hope?) that this country and it's natives bend to suit the personal aspirations of immigrants. Really?

The basic truth is for the most part, at heart, most of you, have no sense of commonwealth – amongst other things. Nation building takes, will, vision and sacrifice at a minimum. Simply lacking the foresight to see beyond your own immediate well-being and self-gratification. With most being happy to deploy any ruse, any grift any hustle or (at the slightest opportunity) outright corruption to achieve that. And, until that changes, Nigeria will never rise above shit-holery. Sorry, not sorry.

What it takes to build a nation, create the institutions and establish the jurisprudence, governance and legal framework that gives you the “Japa hots”, isn't rocket science. And indigenes here that have a sense of this, and even if only in part, legitimate concerns about the direction the country is taking – especially the mass demographic change – are casually smeared. Just because they don't want their country to end up like yours?

Some here like to continually tear down the strawman of the “intellectual inferiority” of black people - an argument no one seriously makes. And one that isn’t even relevant. Shut everyone up! Develop your home nations – make them home! Arable land and natural resources, tick, great weather, tick, natural disasters pretty much absent. Youthful populations. What is it?

Jamesclooney:
That said, I’ve been very worried about the rightward shift in the West—UK, USA etc. (thank God Canada was spared). In our case, specifically the UK. The right is getting more emboldened and clearly influencing the government of the day, even before being voted into power.

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Thankfully - and quite easily, your premise has been rebutted from the very scriptures you sought to pervert, which in any event is pretty much all that your religion does. Thanks for the responses everyone.

Now, to the below.

hmohammed:
I wonder why people condemn early marriages by Muslims in the North.

I could list a number of reasons to condemn early marriage - be that in Northern Nigeria or anywhere else. But just the one should suffice.

Obstetric fistula - is a hole between the birth canal and the bladder or rectum, or both, caused by prolonged labour without prompt medical intervention, such as a Caesarean section. Affected women suffer chronic incontinence, which can result in stigma and social isolation.

Each year some 50,000-100,000 women sustain an obstetric fistula in the act of trying to bring forth new life. It is the most devastating of all pregnancy-related disabilities and Nigeria accounts for 40% of fistula cases worldwide. Affected women suffer chronic incontinence, which can result in stigma and social isolation.

One of the major causes of this is intercourse before a female is physically mature - often the case in "early marriage", more aptly categorised somewhere between statutory r4p3 and sexual assault.

Feel free to look it up and read about it yourself.
https://endfistula.org/news/nigeria-fight-against-fistula-points-problem-early-marriage

I could tie that back to Islam and show why it is one of the most regressive idealogies and blights on humanity ever. Is there a sorrier spectacle than muslim men justifying child marriage or muslim women defending Islams treatment of women?


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Perhaps touching on mediatorship as outlined in the scriptures would help settle this and other questions around the divinity of The Lord Jesus Christ. Scripturally, a mediator has to be able to literally “lay hold” on both parties to the arbitration.

Job 9 32 For He is not a man, as I am, That I may answer Him, And that we should go to court together. 33 Nor is there any mediator between us, Who may lay his hand on us both.

Hallelujah, but there is and He cometh, indeed, He has come and will come again.

Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

One reason that Jesus has to be divine, that he has to be God, is due to the role and requirements of the mediator between God and man. Having the form of both, The Lord Jesus can fulfil that role.

As for the angels that sinned, there was no mediator – Hebrews 2 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.

Hebrews chapters 1 &2 clearly show that Jesus is God, He is enthroned, He is a son and has a sons “inheritance”, He created all things, He is better than the angels, the angels worship Him, He was made a little lower than the angels (human being) for the tasting of death (for everyone – all humans, most especially for those who believe), He is the Captain of our salvation and our Merciful & Faithful High Priest.

The Lord Jesus Christ was not and could not be an angel. He is a son, God incarnate.
Happy to hear alternative views and this is not to make the whole of the argument. I may be late and this case ay already have been made.


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Perhaps touching on mediatorship as outlined in the scriptures would help settle this and other questions around the divinity of The Lord Jesus Christ. Scripturally, a mediator has to be able to literally “lay hold” on both parties to the arbitration.

Job 9 32 For He is not a man, as I am, That I may answer Him, And that we should go to court together. 33 Nor is there any mediator between us, Who may lay his hand on us both.

Hallelujah, but there is and He cometh, indeed, He has come and will come again.

Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

One reason that Jesus has to be divine, that he has to be God, is due to the role and requirements of the mediator between God and man. Having the form of both, The Lord Jesus can fulfil that role.

As for the angels that sinned, there was no mediator – Hebrews 2 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.

Hebrews chapters 1 &2 clearly show that Jesus is God, He is enthroned, He is a son and has a sons “inheritance”, He created all things, He is better than the angels, the angels worship Him, He was made a little lower than the angels (humans being) for the tasting of death (for everyone – all humans, most especially for those who believe), He is the Captain of our salvation and our Merciful & Faithful High Priest.

The Lord Jesus Christ was not and could not be an angel. He is a son, God incarnate.
Happy to hear alternative views and this is not to make the whole of the argument. I may be late and this case ay already have been made.


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Ohyoudidnt:
The understanding can vary as we perceive things differently

True!

Ohyoudidnt:
An initial look in the Qur'an for proof on the identity of Jibril reveals:

1. In Quran 26:192 Indeed this is a revelation from the Lord of the Universe;
:193 which [b]the truthful spirit[/b]has carried down
:194 to your heart that you might become one of those who warn (others on behalf of Allah

Now you may argue that Jibril isn't mentioned here specifically? If you read further into Quran 2:97 further understanding should be attained.

How is the descriptor "the truthful spirit" to be understood? I know that some Islamic scholars equate Jibril with the Holy Spirit, who is also known as "The Spirit of Truth" in Christianity. Just an aside though, as this is not the main thrust here.

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Quran 2:97 Say (O Muhammad): Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel (Gabriel)(let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Quran) down to your heart by Allah’s Permission, confirming what came before it [i.e. the Tauraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] and guidance and glad tidings for the believers

In some ways this poses more questions around the claimed prophethood. Firstly, as confirming the torah and gospel, serves only to falsify the koran, and secondly, why if this prophet was the last and the seal, did God not speak to him directly a lá Moses, Joshua, David etc. all the way to The Lord Jesus Christ (who the bible notes as the summary and end of patriarchal prophethood)? Again, not central to this question on the "identity of the entity", but building up the wider case.

Ohyoudidnt:
I leave you to study the hadiths where Jibril came in the form of a man while the Prophet pbuh was in company of his companions to teach them about the fundamentals of Islam.

Sure, once this identity of this entity is confirmed.

Ohyoudidnt:
جبريل; Jibril, is directly translated to Gabriel in English which derives from Hebrew.

It derives from the Arabic root “jabar” meaning to heal or to restore,and it refers to might from Allah.

He is described as Shadeed al-Quwa; Possessor of Great Strength in Surah Al-Najm (53:5-6). - Taught to him by one intense in strength (Shadeed al-Quwa), one of soundness. And he rose to [his] true form while he was on the higher horizon-

The name Gabriel, as with all angelic names (and those of the patriarchal prophets), specifically reference (in an anthropomorphic sense so to speak) The God of the said torah and gospel. The name Jibril does not follow this pattern.

Ohyoudidnt:
Well even if Jibril was physically present before Waraqah, I wonder how well he would have been seen being that the latter's sight was already waining.

Pertinent, but only in part. The recognition was supposedly based on Waraqah' "learning and great understanding" - there is no reading of the bible that would suggest an unidentified being, who manhandled the one it appeared too and whom himself considered it dark and demonic, could be angel Gabriel of the Christian scriptures. A more reasonable, if speculative position may be that Wraqah was primarily concerned about Mohammed' wellbeing, given the traumatic nature of the encounter.

Ohyoudidnt:
Waraqah was known amongst the Arabian Christians as he translated and transcribed their books. He was recognized by the then Arabs as a man of learning and great understanding.

Recognition by "the then Arabs", does not provide us with a relative or absolute measure of learning and understanding, nor divine writ to speak on the matter.


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StillDtruth:
Christians already know the place of Islam and we really do not care what happens with them.
These people can not be reasoned with. They are Mad people.

Au contraire. All humans are made in the image of God and The Lord Jesus Christ shed His blood and gave His life for all - muslims Included. The salvation of muslims equally counts as "the joy set before Him" and "His reward". The Lord came to set the captives free, how much more so than those in the bondage of Islam? Further, we war not against flesh and blood - please bear that in mind.

I am however, agnostic on any changes to the format or layout of the religious section .


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Ohyoudidnt:
Perhaps my narrative could have been structured differently though I doubt you tried to understand.

I of all people admire wordsmithery. But when deployed solely to lend credence to assertions that cannot otherwise be validated, it has to be decried. Shouldn't all reading be primarily to understand?

Ohyoudidnt:
1. Jibril who you know as angel Gabriel appeared to prophet many times not just once.

But there is no record of this entity ever confirming who it was directly to the person who claimed to have received divine revelation from it. And, i do not agree that Jibril of the koran is angle Gabriel of the bible. The name Gabriel has a clear meaning ascribing to God - what does Jibril mean?

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Waraqah ibn Nawfal did not validate the angel appearing with 600 wings rather it was solely in the case of the prophet's encounter in the cave.

Which Waraqah neither saw, nor had the authority to confirm.

Ohyoudidnt:
Waraqah was a learned man with deep knowledge of the scriptures and Gnostic traditions. His understanding of religious texts and prophetic signs allowed him to uniquely validate Muhammad's experiences in the cave of Hira. He saw parallels between the prophet's experience in the grave and those of previous prophets.

Again, I don't want to come off as simply jibing, but all these claims and assertions about Waraqah are essentially baseless, and make your submission mere storytelling and not a fact based narrative. With "deep knowledge? Relative to whom or what? Where is the record of his instruction or learning? Who were Waraquah' academic antecedents. We know Paul learnt at the feet of Gamaliel for example.

God, who had revealed Himself firstly to the Jews having expressly chosen them as the conduit for His message, would switch to unlearned and unsighted Arabs to continue His unfolding revelation. With no clear transition or prophecy to validate the change?

Ohyoudidnt:
When Jibril appeared to the Prophet Muhammad pbuh in the Cave of Hira during the first revelation, he did not show all of his wings. Instead, he took on a human form to convey the message of revelation to the Prophet.

No issues with this necessarily - although it appears to be yet another assertion, I stand to be corrected.

Ohyoudidnt:
The way angels present themselves to prophets can differ depending on the situation and the wisdom of Allah.

Hmm...debatable, but again, no real quibbles here. But biblically, Angels typically appear to humans in human form and as men.

Ohyoudidnt:
Come to Christ to do what and in what manner? Christ will judge not God? I don't get it, are the former and latter the same with the former definitely stating the latter is greater than him?

Let's not divert from the point of this discussion. Happy to have that convo elsewhere. Please come to The Alpha & The Omega.


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Ohyoudidnt:
The initial revelation in the Cave of Hira marks a monumental event, demonstrating the profound nature of divine selection. When the Prophet Muhammad pbuh encountered the angel Jibril, the command to "recite" was both a challenge and an invitation to engage with the divine message. The Prophet's initial hesitation, stemming from his unlettered state, highlights the humility inherent in spiritual receptiveness.

Nicely worded, but easily spotted as a "just so" story. Way below a parable, which affords real spiritual insight. Not even at the level of a fable, which at least has moral import. More akin to tales by moonlight .

Ohyoudidnt:
The physical manifestation of Jibril a. s encompassing the horizon with his six hundred wings, reinforces the magnitude of this revelation. Such an overwhelming sight instills a sense of awe and certainty in the Prophet about the authenticity of his experience. This was further validated by Waraqah ibn Nawfal, whose recognition of Jibril's role confirms the continuity of divine communication through angels across prophets.

Sorry tpo burst your bubble, but Waraqah would not have been able to validate a 600 winged being as being Angel Gabriel of the bible - and definitely not from the bible itself. Perhaps there is some gnostic gospel or extra-biblical text to be referenced? And with what writ or from whom did Waraqah have the authority to validate the divine which he did not or could not see?

Ohyoudidnt:
Continued revelations through Jibril cemented this relationship, indicating that the Prophet pbuh was not merely a passive recipient but an active participant in the dissemination of divine wisdom. The Quran explicitly acknowledges Jibril’s pivotal role, affirming him as the "Trustworthy Spirit." Thus, the narrative of Jibril embodies the assurance of divine guidance in a world rife with uncertainty, compelling both believers and skeptics alike to acknowledge his significance as the messenger of Allah.

Whoever or whatever it was, it was not Angel Gabriel, who is not Jibril. I was not validated by the Bible and is certainly not of divine imprimatur.
Sorry, not sorry !


Please come to Christ - who will judge the living and the dead at His coming.


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