OLAADEGBU:


"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

Atheists actually believe in the existence of God but they have to continue to convince themselves that He does exist as if that will excuse them of the reality. If that is not schizophrenic what is it?

That place is not talking about atheist. He was talking about pagans that worship other "gods"

newsynews:
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You forgot that there was no temple when this law was given. My usage of the word temple was just to illustrate that everything happened in God's house. The children of Israel were still wandering in the wilderness when the law was given. They usually set up a tabernacle where Moses speaks with God who descend on it. So, wherever God wanted them to eat the tithe, he makes them set up the tabernacle there which is almost like a temple. But when the temple was built, tithe was brought there. After the temple was built, where did God say the tithe should provide meat for/

Malachi 3:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house,

I thought you said they don't eat their tithe. Are you confused ni?

newsynews:
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If nobody is drinking oil, how come you say the other things listed alongside oil are being taken? So you see.

Don't play dumb. Don't you know the meaning of feast? If I tell you we're having a feast, don't you know people will cook? or they'll be eating raw corn and raw meat?

newsynews:
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Where God puts his name is his possession. The temple is his possession likewise tabernacle. Now, tell me where God ever put his name for tithe to be eaten if not the temple or tabernacle. Go and read Nehemiah 13:4-28 to see how the temple or house of God was the store for the tithe and how portions for the priests and Levites were shared from there. If according to you the tithe was to be swallowed by the people in the same manner they brought them, then what portion was the priests and Levites getting as seen in Nehemiah 13:4-28?

Deuteronomy 14:23-26 KJV
And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. [24] And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: [25] Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: [26] And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

It still baffles me that you don't understand this straight forward passage. Let me try again the last time.
-I'll choose a place for you to eat your tithe with your family

-If the place is too far, and you can't carry your tithe there, convert the tithe to money.

-Then use the money to buy whatever you like for yourself and your family.

I explained to you earlier that the tithe you are to eat is different from the one meant for levites and the poor. But you won't read.

newsynews:


Don't you get it? Tithers are to eat what the temple prepares from their tithe. It doesn't say they will eat the tithe in the exact manner they brought it.

Where are you getting this from? is it the same Deuteronomy 14:22-29? Where do you see anything like temple in that passage? The passage has nothing to do with temple ritual or priest. It's an annual celebration by Israelites at a particular location outside their gates where God will choose for them for yearly celebration. I repeat, it has nothing to do with temple. See another verse that corroborate this

Deuteronomy 12:17-18 KJV
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: [18] But thou must eat them before the Lord thy God in the place which the Lord thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the Lord thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.

newsynews:



@bold Can one man. put all of that in his stomach? Even if it's just corn he brought as tithe, the portion will be too much to fit into his stomach. Are you also going to drink oil?

The man will be there with his household. Children, wife, servants etc.

Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

Nobody is drinking oil, it's a feast.

newsynews:




You make it sound like tithe is meant for us to eat. Then why go through the stress of carrying it to the temple? Why not eat it at home? It's not meant for us to eat, otherwise the Levites and the priests won't have anything to eat. If you eat your tithe, what will the Levites, widows, fatherless, strangers and priests feed on?

The thing God is saying is that tithers are to partake in a feast organized by the temple caretakers who make use of a portion of what they tithed as provision for the feast. That means they are to eat out of it, which is just a portion, not the whole of it.

All the people mentioned in the bible that tithed didn't eat their tithe. Even Deuteronomy 14:28-29 that says you should keep your tithe in your gate every three years, still doesn't say you should eat it. It is meant for the Levites, widows, fatherless and strangers.

An example in modern times. Let's say you earn N100k as monthly salary. You are expected to pay 10k as tithe. According to you, that 10k should be spent on food which you will eat at the temple. Tell me, can. you finish 10k food in a sitting?

What the Bible is saying is that you are to drop the 10k, then the church will determine what to do with it. Those feasts you see churches organize are sponsored with tithe money. That way you get to eat out of your tithe, even widows and strangers too.

But you say the 10k should be swallowed in one sitting by you alone. Isn't that gluttony which the Bible warns against?

Again, the passage isn't talking about temple, stop putting temple in all your arguments, it's your own fabrication.

The feast for the Levites and the poor is after 3 years. Always read between the lines, don't mix things up.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29 KJV
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Verses 22-27 is year by year for you. Verses 28-29 is after 3 years for Levites and the poor.


If after this you still don't get it ...

newsynews:


You think that passage is the other passage that talked about tithing?me Go and read more to see how tithe involves priest, temple etc.

You had to go quote Satanic Bible versions to back your claim up. Go through Albahdadi's profile, he has a thread that exposes all those bible versions for the fraud they are.

https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

When next you want to tithe, make sure you buy food with the money and let's see if your stomach can contain it all.

satanic bible indeed. Let's quote the angelic version again.

Deuteronomy 14:23 KJV
And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

If after reading this, you still don't know what the verse is talking about, collect your school fees back from your high school. It's a total waste. It's obvious you don't know simple passage comprehension.

newsynews:


God didn't tell them to eat their tithe. If I tithe oxen and sheep, can my stomach contain it all? God simply said the tithe should be brought to his house. It is the priest that now decides what to do with them as commanded by God. He take this portion, gives to the Levites and a feast is held for everyone to eat. Nowhere is it written that each individual should eat his tithe.

The tithe provides food in God's house, and that food is what you, the strangers and widows eat every time they come to the temple. The tithe is not for you to sit down at the temple and eat it yourself. Can you finish a full cow in one sitting?

Take note of the below phrase


and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God

Notice that it doesn't say "thou shall eat It there. Had it been that that's what it said, then your stance that people are to eat their tithe is justified. Rather, it says we should eat at the temple. Nowhere is it stated that it is the tithe we bring that we are to consume.

Now, to your talk of colon, you should know that you are wrong especially as my above explanation shows that what is to be eating is not stated as the tithe which is brought. But according to you, it is the tithe, which means we are also to drink strong drink. The same strong drink the bible warns against several times? This shows that those things aren't to be eating by you but offered as sacrifice to God. But you still think it means they will be burnt that same day. No. They will serve as food everyday and only once in a while do they burn them as burnt offering to God.

Strong drink as used several times in the Bible is always accompanied with offering it to God among other sacrifices. How it suddenly became what we are to drink is what baffles me. We are not to drink it because God earned against drinking alcohol in Proverbs 23. He said we shouldn't even look at it. Yet you say we are to drink it. This clearly shows that the other items e.g sheep and oxen listed alongside strong drink are not to be touched when offered as tithe.

Do you have problem with English Language or you're being mischievous on purpose?
Where in the passage did God talk about temple or priest? Why are you bringing your own interpretation to a well self explained text?
Deuteronomy 14:23

New International Version
Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.

New Living Translation
Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God.

English Standard Version
And before the LORD your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

Berean Study Bible
And you are to eat a tenth of your grain, new wine, and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks, in the presence of the LORD your God at the place He will choose as a dwelling for His Name, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

New American Standard Bible
"You shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

New King James Version
And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.


After reading this you still say it's not their tithe they are to eat? Which version of the bible are you reading?

newsynews:


You are funny.

God told them to buy oxen, sheep, wine and strong drink. Where did he say they should eat and drink those things? He only said they should eat food, which means after those things have been sacrificed to God, a portion is given to the priest and another portion is served for everyone to eat.

But you make it seem like God said each individual should eat the oxen, sheep and drink the wine and strong drink he brought. Can one stomach contain all of that?

So clearly, the strong drink just like the sheep and oxen mentioned in Deuteronomy are offered to God.

Even in the Deuteronomy verse, notice the colon( this sign : ) which separates the sentences. This shows that the part that says they should buy sheep and oxen is different from the one that says they should eat. This means God did not say they should drink the strong drink.

It is like it is hard for you to understand a simple passage. Read from vs 22 again, slowly this time .

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 KJV
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. [23] And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. [24] And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: [25] Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: [26] And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, [27] And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. [28] At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

God told them to eat their tithe in a place where he'll choose for them. But if the place is far, they should convert it to money and use it to buy whatever they want for themselves. Then he went further to tell them to remember the levites and the poor and give them their own portion also so that they might have something to eat. In all the verses, please show me where in the above that talked about sacrificing anything to God or you're importing your own interpretation?


You also talking about colon, you obviously don't know how colons are used in sentences. Colon is used to separate two independent clauses when the second explains or illustrates the first. The second part of Deuteronomy 14:26 explains the first part. What they are to eat is what they used their money to buy.

Do you now understand?

newsynews:


God told them to buy wine or strong drink. He didn't tell them to drink it. It was for what is called drink offering to God.

Numbers 28:7
And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.

Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

God told them to use it to buy whatever they wanted. Whether sheep or alcohol or oxen. Whatever they "lusted" after. Nothing in the passage talked about any drink offering. The wine was for them, for their enjoyment.

Numbers 28 is talking about another thing entirely. It was about the daily offerings in the tabernacle. Deuteronomy 14 was about the yearly tithe which was celebrated at a particular location chosen by God. Don't miss the two up.

rosy1992:
Numbers 6:3 – The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

Deuteronomy 29:5-6 – God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

Deuteronomy 32:33 – Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

Judges 13:4, 7, 14 – Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

1 Samuel 1:14-15 – Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

Proverbs 23:29-30 – Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.

Proverbs 23:31 – God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.

Proverbs 23:32 – Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.

Proverbs 23:33 – Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.

Proverbs 23:34 – Alcohol makes the drinker unstable.

Alcohol is a sin. The moment you indulge in it, you will find it difficult to resist

God didn't give Israelites wine in the wilderness but he told them to use their tithe money to buy it in Deuteronomy 14:26.

pocohantas:
Any of you that really wanna go back to those days...

I can help you research on African tribes that are still stuck in the Medieval ages.

Go join them and leave we progressives

they should migrate to northern Nigeria or find one confirm bush(village) in Oyo State. Those villages that don't have atm.

Preciousgirl:
I say this to the glory of God
God is capable of doing anything, with him there is no impossibility

I woke up at 12 midnight to pray
I started reading the bible
All of a sudden, I felt very very very pressed to visit the washroom.

I didn't like to go because it was very late, and it would disrupt my prayer. My washroom is outside of my bedroom and hall so would mean I had to open the door and walk out, I didn't want to.

I felt more pressed
So I exercised my faith, even though my faith was very small. I Felt the Lord doesn't deal with little things such as blocking my bowels temporarily

I commanded my bowels to be still. It will sound funny to you, but I am damn serious.

All of a sudden, I didn't feel that loo visiting sensation anymore. I prayed, slept and woke up at 7am, before I finally used the washroom.

Jesus is real.

This sounds like a satire

what are the benefits of religion? Name the things that humans have achieved with the help of religion, apart from wars and disunity.

olayemioshiyemi:



Many are mad but few are roaming . ....mad people everywhere.

Deuteronomy 14:22-26 KJV
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. [23] And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. [24] And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: [25] Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: [26] And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

hupernikao:


Can I know the reason for the question as it doesn't align with current discussion.

you seem to be certain the writers met Jesus (I read the thread from page 1, someone argued that the writers were Greeks and you disagreed ) . When the truth is, the writers were anonymous. Those books were named traditionally by the early Christians as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. No one today knew the writers.

the most confusing doctrine

hupernikao:


Can you give an explanation on this. It is not good dropping information without explanation. Explain/defend what you just wrote that the writers never met Jesus. And i hope you are able to do justice with your explanation, not referring me to a video or site to read as custom of many here.

Were the writers of the four gospels ever mentioned in the bible?

LordReed:


Are you sure you read the bible? That is one of the bible's most prominent themes. Yahweh even told them explicitly that should the Israelites fail to obey him theyd be punished with all manner of afflictions.

you are quoting out of context

You didn't answer the question in your topic. If God already knows the future (because he's supposedly not bound by time, 1000 years is like a day to him), what then is the point of prayer? If God has seen that someone will die tomorrow, if the person prays from now till tomorrow, will that change anything?

It's just like I should pray before watching avengers endgame that Ironman should not die. Will that type of request make sense?

effects of Colorado

chinedumoooo:
Why not tag it fulani herdsmen as usual.

I'm waiting for the "fulani herds men did it" crew

elotajohn1:
Churches these days confuse one the more.

A Chosen woman invited me to their church for a Crusade. It was at their Headquarter Ijesha. So I obliged and went for the Crusade. One day My own Church All Saints Anglican Church Surulere had her own Crusade and I invited her, I was shocked at her respond. She said, 'God forbid! How can I leave light and go to darkness'

That was the day I lost it for Churches in Nigeria

This is one of the things I hate most about church people. One brother, years ago, wanted to convert me by force to be his church member, always disturbing me with calls and text messages when he knew I had a church I was attending.

some Christians can't even marry from other Christian denominations.

chiommy123:
To punish those who do not harken to the voice of the Lord, those who rather do their own will than the will of the Lord. Same will still happen again but this time the lake of fire, continue making mockery of the word of God your eyes go clear that day

What of the babies and children and animals too. They didn't obey God, that's why they perished right?

story for kids.

Naziwrite:


Okay imagine Gabriel Jesus is shown in an adiddas advert, where he's in a desert, together with a nine year old girl, he has no shadow but the girl has, then the girl passes the ball to him, he then takes a shot and the ball goes into space, at the end of the advert, they show "FOOTBALL IS FOR EVERYONE"....

Bros use your sane mind to judge,,,,

By now what will be the fate of Jesus'?

You know what I mean, .....

How will that offend anyone? being in a desert with a nine year old girl is offensive how? does any ancient middle eastern religion support expression of women? why will that then affect any particular group? why do you want to make everything about religion? So if I make a medicine that heals the sick, will it offend you too?

Naziwrite:


Nope, it's wrong bro, Imagine if the advert had anything to do with something that contradicts Islam would Salah agree to it

He might even part ways with Nike because of it,

That's all this guy is tryna let u know,.

THEY DONT PLAY WITH THEIR OWN RELIGION AT ALL

how's walking on water offensive?

BanevsJoker:
Imagine Gabriel Jesus is used for an advert where he marries a 9-year old, and institutionalizes genocide of whoever doesn't follow his religion. There'll be instant rioting in Kano, Kaduna, Yemen, Islamabad and Mogadishu.

why will anyone make such type of advert? how's that related to this one? how's this one offensive? how's walking on water "paining" people like this?

Mynd44:
This advert is not a good idea and I think someone at Nike is taking a piss.

It was worse the person they used is a "Mohammed" Sallah because of the religious connotation.

But then again, seems everyone is moving nuts these days, the triggers will be lit

how's the advert related to religion? can't someone walk on water in peace? how's that offensive?

if Nigeria develop too, many churches will lose members and close down.

LordObo, what a name

Some topics on nairaland really make me laugh.

Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

afribabe:
A very big joke. #100 is even more than the cost of printing that paper.

o my God