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Christianity Etc › Re: The Churches That Broke Away From The Catholic Church. by Ubenedictus(m): 11:58am On May 14, 2024

btoks:
True, same here.
It doesn't seem like there are many arguments these days unlike years before.

See how i have gone and pcked up another argument for absolutely no reason.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Churches That Broke Away From The Catholic Church. by Ubenedictus(m): 4:04pm On May 08, 2024

ErnestNc:
It's hard to read and digest what you've constructed without punctuation.

I'm of no protestant faction , neither do I belog to any christian denomination. Even the practices of pentecostalism, Jehovah witness, Mormon and the rest are dead on arrival. I'm of the simple belief , strictly in Jesus and his finished works. Any other doctrine that was not emphasized by Jesus or his apostles is a doctrine of devils. There are no true apostles today . The 12 and Paul have given us the words of Jesus by their witness and testimony. The prophets have also spoken about Jesus and their words came from God. The only thing we need to do is believe , as Jesus said.

Also, praying to Mary to intercede for you is the practice of necromancy and it's abominable and condemned by Yahuha/Yahweh the mighty God.
The living and the dead have nothing in common and they cannot hear you or know what you're doing , cuz after death is judgment. Shalom.

Then you don't know what necromancy is.
The word necromancy comes from the greek "nekromanteia," which is a combination of 2 words, first nekros which means dead body, and second manteia which means divination or foretelling the future. To claim catholics and orthodox and all the apostolic churches practice necromancy, you need to show that they are doing divination or trying to foretell the future. Catholics, orthodox and all the apostolic churches do not do that.

However, if you think anyone who talks to those who are alive with God but nolonger on earth are necromancers, then maybe you wish to accuse Jesus of necromancy since he was busy talking to Moses.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Churches That Broke Away From The Catholic Church. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:28am On May 08, 2024

ErnestNc:
The whole bible or history before the arrival of Jesus, which Includes the law , taught men and schooled them on how to live a life that pleased God .

This program was a temporal one and a shadow of what is to come , on waiting for the arrival of the one who would then teach men the true and final way that would please God .

The ways Daniel prayed, Abraham or Aaron sacrificed would no longer be regarded as a methodology of approaching God, because the messiah is the one who would teach men what to do, to approach God. This is the whole essence of the bible ; the salvation through Christ .

Christ came and taught us how to pray, he taught that he was the sacrifice , the bread of life and only true way to God . This never invalidated the scriptures but clearly interpreted all the symbolism it portrayed.

Any method you're applying on how to approach God or methods from other sources that Jesus nor the apostles approved of, neither did they instruct, is a doctrine of devils .

The Catholic practice which involves bowing and praying to Mary, or using rosaries as a medium for prayer , my friend , is a foundation of demonic practice as none of the apostles ever did such , and the catholic church home of apostates.

I'm in no way abusing the catholic faith , but it is blasphemous to ever say that the catholic faith was the foundation for the Christian faith that Jesus and his apostles passed on , as the margin in the differences are too wide. Catholism is an alien practice , unknown or untraceable to Christ and true christians.

It always fascinates me how protestants are able to speak so confidently to criticize stuff they know nothing about.

You are so sure that asking mary to join in intercession and using icons ar NOT the christian faith that Jesus and the apostles passed on yet every Christian church that was founded by the apostles and hold the teaching that the apostles delivered to them, whether it is the Greek orthodox church in antioch and Alexandria, the Syriac orthodox church in Jerusalem, The Catholic Church in Rome, Whatever the church that you name that was founded by the apostles all teach, practice and believe that it is right and Christian to have icons in the church, that it is right and Christian to ask mary and the apostles to join us in prayers. ALL OF THEM, not a single one of the historical apostolic churches think different.
In fact the paintings of images in the church and the records of christians asking mary to pray for them is older than the earliest complete copy we have of the new testament.
So when someone whose church began less than 100 years ago by a man who never saw any of the apostles, who never sat under the apostles to hear to fullness of their teaching, who never appeared in their liturgy 2000 years ago, but simply take books that they wrote to churches that they had already taught and then believes he knows more of what the apostles passed on than the very churches they taught that have existed for 2000 years based on some human interpretation, when i see protestants do that, I always say, what kind of arrogance is that

Christianity Etc › Re: The Churches That Broke Away From The Catholic Church. by Ubenedictus(m): 7:36am On May 08, 2024

achorladey:
The bold definitely true.

yeah life happened. Time for long arguments with people who have already solidified their misconceptions gradually dissappeared

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Churches That Broke Away From The Catholic Church. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:53am On Apr 29, 2024

achorladey:
Loooool to the bold. Didn't Ubenedictus post something similar during those days

Not really, I didn't.

However you must be really old here to know my username. I have not really been active here

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 10:49am On Apr 19, 2024

Fighttillvictory:
well you can go get a same-sex patner and get married. Or you teach your children to do it.
nonsense!

in case you didn't read, getting a same sex partner is a sin in the catholic church and the documant release says that it is impossible to marry gay couples because marriage can only happen between a man and a woman.

You seem to be really ignorant about the topic you are commenting on

Christianity Etc › Re: If A Mentally Ill Person Commits Suicide, Will He Still Go To Heaven? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:23am On Apr 17, 2024

Kobojunkie:
And you believe this nonsense because you know better than Jesus Christ in this right?.

Jesus Christ said except a man be born-again he can't enter into the kingdom of God. Also, He went on to say that those who stand faithful until the end will be saved-- Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 and Mark 13 vs 13 - implying that those who do not will have their end in eternal damnation(Hell) instead. So why pretend you believe in Jesus Christ when clearly you will have no part in His teachings and commandments?

you only read some passage of scriptures and you assume you know all.

Culpability is something different, please go an read your bible and stop being half baked

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 8:22am On Apr 17, 2024

Fighttillvictory:
why was mr pope highlighting them, was there complain that the priest were chasing them if they come for confession.
bros don't quote me on this topic again. Nonsense

You quoted me so I am going to quote you. Yes there was a complaint and an official question was sent to the vatican on this issue.

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 9:38pm On Feb 14, 2024

Fighttillvictory:
gosh man are you telling me that the LGBT shit and their supporters are actually sorry for whatever they are doing. committing the sinful act and acknowledging their self as couple are totally a different thing. like are you telling me that before now that if they come seeking for forgiveness when they acknowledge their sin the priest will chase them away. (and they won't call their self couple if they are truly sorry)

You somehow think every LGBTQ person is the same and all are incapable of seeking forgiveness and be sorry for their sin?

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 11:01am On Jan 10, 2024

Fighttillvictory:
gosh man are you telling me that the LGBT shit and their supporters are actually sorry for whatever they are doing. committing the sinful act and acknowledging their self as couple are totally a different thing. like are you telling me that before now that if they come seeking for forgiveness when they acknowledge their sin the priest will chase them away. (and they won't call their self couple if they are truly sorry)

i am telling you that there are sinners who seek Christ. I also know sinners who are caught in their cycles of sin. I know cohabitings couples who some times come for mass and all kinds of sinners including myself who come to church.

I don't know how each priest handled a homosexual couple who comes to them, but it was serious enough for cardinals to ask about it, hence the document.

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:29pm On Jan 02, 2024

Fighttillvictory:
it seems in your bid to defend the pope you have defected to a different topic. The topic here is the couple fact of same sex. If indeed two males or two females come and ask's a priest for blessing fine it could be for prosperity, health, forgiveness and so on. So is same with a man and woman, but here on the topic is this two people (of same-sex) identifying their self as a couple and not in a help asking manner "like please priest we have sinned or we are addicted to this sin" but in a way a man and woman will say it proudly that they are a couple. So just forget it the pope was wrong and is still wrong if he is not planning to change that statement

This is why it is good to read the document, because the document actually says that the couple has to come like "we have sinned and are addicted to this". Now let me quote the document

31. Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage. In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit. These forms of blessing express a supplication that God may grant those aids that come from the impulses of his Spirit—what classical theology calls “actual grace”—so that human relationships may mature and grow in fidelity to the Gospel, that they may be freed from their imperfections and frailties, and that they may express themselves in the ever-increasing dimension of the divine love.

32. Indeed, the grace of God works in the lives of those who do not claim to be righteous but who acknowledge themselves humbly as sinners, like everyone else. This grace can orient everything according to the mysterious and unpredictable designs of God. Therefore, with its untiring wisdom and motherly care, the Church welcomes all who approach God with humble hearts, accompanying them with those spiritual aids that enable everyone to understand and realize God’s will fully in their existence.[22]

33. This is a blessing that, although not included in any liturgical rite,[23] unites intercessory prayer with the invocation of God’s help by those who humbly turn to him. God never turns away anyone who approaches him! Ultimately, a blessing offers people a means to increase their trust in God. The request for a blessing, thus, expresses and nurtures openness to the transcendence, mercy, and closeness to God in a thousand concrete circumstances of life, which is no small thing in the world in which we live. It is a seed of the Holy Spirit that must be nurtured, not hindered.

34. The Church’s liturgy itself invites us to adopt this trusting attitude, even in the midst of our sins, lack of merits, weaknesses, and confusions, as witnessed by this beautiful Collect from the Roman Missal: “Almighty ever-living God, who in the abundance of your kindness surpass the merits and the desires of those who entreat you, pour out your mercy upon us to pardon what conscience dreads and to give what prayer does not dare to ask” (Collect for the Twenty-Seventh Sunday of Ordinary Time). How often, through a pastor’s simple blessing, which does not claim to sanction or legitimize anything, can people experience the nearness of the Father, beyond all “merits” and “desires”?

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:23pm On Jan 02, 2024

Donedeal1:
But I say walk by the spirit, and you will not gratified the desires of the flesh, for the desires of the flesh are against the spirit and the desires of the spirit are against the flesh for this are opposed to each others to keep you from doing the things you want do.
(19) Now the works of the flesh are evident:SEXUAL IMMORTALITY, IMPURITIES, SENSUALITY
-Galatians 5 :16-19
Keep defending the indefensible we shall be here to witness the "blessing of gay marriage".
Then we shall see what the body of Christ will defence again.

at least wwe know that blessing gay marriage has not happened and the document has said that the catholic church does not even have the power to bless such

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 12:08pm On Dec 27, 2023

blowjohn:
So what are gay couples going for blessings for?

Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for.

At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help.

But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan.

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 12:07pm On Dec 27, 2023

blowjohn:
Don't mix prostitutes, tax collectors with gays abeg.

These gays have an agenda. A satanic one.

How come we don't here noise about tax collectors or prostitutes?

How come they are not major issues plaguing the church??

Why is the gay and LGBT thing a thorn in the flesh of both divides?

every sin is satanic, that is why it is called sin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 12:06pm On Dec 27, 2023

blowjohn:
Why are drug addicts, prostitutes, etc rehabilitated?
How can going for blessing br a sign that one is a sinner?

Oh so u acknowledge that these gays know what they r doing abi?

Nd u do know that counselling them is a better way to rehabilitate them?

Why can't the Catholic Church send them to a counselling centre and warn them about how evil and sinful it is?

Why all these long talk. To me they are talking frm both sides of same mouth

Are you even aware that therapy can not be used to change an homosexual? That homosexuality is not considered a psychological issue in the western world and to even attempt such a thing will make the psychologist lose his licence?

the document say the priest should be the one to proclaim the Keryma to the homosexuals because homosexuality is still a moral issue.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 12:03pm On Dec 27, 2023

blowjohn:
The blessing is to ask God to heal them abi?
Ok good.
Since they know the solution why not start healing them. All of them?

because healing is not automatic, it begins with grace but the homosexual still has decisions to make and new ways of living to adopt. All the more reason why a priest should be willing to pray that God helps the homosexual to transform his life.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 12:01pm On Dec 27, 2023

Nobody is blessing what God prohibits, did you read the document?

fredie107:
Kaigama God will judge you... How can you say he was misquoted?

For crying out loud, how can you bless what God prohibits?

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 11:59am On Dec 27, 2023

Fighttillvictory:
Read your content, good explanation but amounts to nothing cause I tell you this if JESUS said as much as to see a woman and think negative you have indeed committed adultery talk more of having sex then you should know that same-sex-shit is a BLOODY sin, this is not transgender that occur naturally it is a sinful craving even more evil than funication and the wage is death though I am not righteous. it makes me wonder why you guys are even defending the matter or u be gay you better stop and get a life. JESUS came for sinners for sure but take this example when the Pharisees brought one prostitute woman for Him to condemn, in as much as he didn't condemn her he also didn't blessed her rather he told her to go and repent from her way. you might still say I didn't read the context, but as the pope he is the father of the church so his utterance should be gage. even if an angel from heaven comes and tell me to bless same-sex i will shun him or even curse him because it is against GOD

Even the catholic church holds that homosexuality is a sin and homosexual marriage is null and void, so I wonder what you are preaching about when the catholic church agree with you.

But also people come to priests and say pray for me, bless me. we are not perfect, we all sin, but the priest always blesses, I wonder what bigotry makes you feel that all kinds of sinners can be blessed in the church except homosexuals

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 11:55am On Dec 27, 2023

Donedeal1:
This enemies of the Church bribes the pope to approved.

Same Sex marriage

And you were also paid to do

Damage control.

Funny enough the document you people are shouting about and you refused to read it clearly says that the Catholic church does not have the power to impart blessing on a same sex marriage.

but you won't read and are quick to critique

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 11:51am On Dec 27, 2023

blowjohn:
Ur wrong. Or ur avoiding the truth.
The premise here is ' couple'.
Stop changing the narrative.
What wud make a couple go see a priest?

Abi sinners no longer seek God's face on their own for mercy and Grace?

Sinners do whatever sinners do
It is not a crime for a gay couple to ask for a blessing from a priest to live better lives or for something they need. you can go ask them, but I know it happens. People can seek God in private, they can ask a priest for a blessing.

Interestingly enough the cardinal who wrote the communique explained it clearly.

[b] These kinds of blessings are simply simple pastoral channels that help to express people's faith, even if those people are great sinners.

Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for.

At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help.

But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan.

As I was saying, sometimes the priest, on a pilgrimage, does not know that couple, and sometimes they are two very close friends who share good things, sometimes they had sexual relations in the past and now what remains is a strong sense of belonging and mutual help. As a parish priest, I have often met such couples, who are sometimes exemplary.

Therefore, since it is not a question of the sacrament of confession(!), but of a simple blessing, it is still asked that this friendship be purified, matured and lived in fidelity to the Gospel. And even if there was some kind of sexual relationship, known or not, the blessing made in this way does not validate or justify anything.

Actually the same thing happens whenever individuals are blessed, because that individual who asks for a blessing — not absolution — may be a great sinner, but we do not deny a blessing to him.

But clearly we have to grow in the conviction that non-ritualized blessings are not a consecration of the person, they are not a justification of all his actions, they are not a ratification of the life he leads. No. No. I do not know at what point we have so exalted this simple pastoral gesture that we have equated it with the reception of the Eucharist. [/b]

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:55pm On Dec 26, 2023

blowjohn:
Look, I read the introduction.
Non of all these circulars are needed.
These people are not congenitally abnormal.
They went frm normal to abnormal.

It's like releasing a circular for issues related to murderers.

Why do u think being openly gay carries punishments and sentences in many countries?

It's abnormal to a society or nation.

U that has read the full thing, is there anywhere gay lifestyle or gay couples is condemned?

The introduction of a book is not the book, go and read the document biko.
and the circular was released because certain cardinals asked about it, if there are questions about murderers, why not, a circular will be released.
the practice of homosexuality is a sin. That one is clear even in the document. But blessing are not only for the morally perfect, even sinners are blessed

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:52pm On Dec 26, 2023

blowjohn:
Oga, if ur Pope cannot come out to condemn gay couples ( not humanity) but the abnormality then forget it.

Pastors are condemning it in its totality ur here telling me to read a psychological article aimed at pretense.

I already pointed out the part in the introduction where it may be possible to bless people in such forms.

The pope and tha catholic chuch alread condemns homosexual sexual actions and relationships, what more do you want?

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:51pm On Dec 26, 2023

Fighttillvictory:
good content but just as blessing comes in many form, our pope did'nt classify. When the bible told us about JESUS and the number of people he feed with 5 loaf and 2 fish, it said that He blessed the food not that he did any liturgical rite and it multiplied. So here our pope is telling the church to bless them so they can multiply.
and about my previous post i was telling the guy that the church will not divide because of a damn pope so i dont see how the devil will use me

Actually the document was not written by the pope, it was written by Cardinal Fernandez in charge of doctrine at the vatican and the pope approved it.
and the document actually specifies the time of blessings to be given, a blessing for healing, that what is good in their life be enriched and that God helps them with grace to conform the lives to his will AKA repentance. The document clearly said that same sex sexual stuff is unacceptable and the church cannot bless their union, so it is certainly not a blessing to "multiply".

Oga all these things were addressed in the document, if you bother to read it.

Even the man who wrote the document when he saw the funny interpretation from people who refused to read, had to come out and clarify again, weytin human beings want. The document is there, read it

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:42pm On Dec 26, 2023

blowjohn:
Nothing to read more. U guys are with the gays

Of course we are with people created in the image and likeness of God and our job is to help them on a journey to repentance. Jesus came for the sinners not the righteous. I am proudly with the gays just as Jesus was with the prostitutes and tax collectors of his time

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:40pm On Dec 26, 2023

blowjohn:
Everyone recognizes that he or she is a sinner.
There are many sins. If one is a thief or murderer, that means he or she shud go for prayer of Grace? What happened to prayer of forgiveness, and deliverance?

By the way, are they not aware that same sex couples need psychiatric, psychological evaluation, management, as well as deliverance?

How does a gay live more according to God's will if he doesn't turn away from being gay?
Same thing as a murderer turning away from killing people.

In fact a prayer for forgiveness is a blessing. When catholics go to request a prayer for forgiveness they begin with "bless me for I have sinned.
Again all of this was well explained in the document if you had read it you won't be asking all this.

The document stated clearly that God's will it for man and woman in exclusive union of marriage, anything apart from that is wrong.
So when a gay couple come for a blessing, it is an acknowledgement that they too are sinner and a request to they are making to God to grant them healing and the grace they need to live according to his will

it is a prayer for repentance for people who have started to feel the stirring of the holy spirit call them to conversion

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:35pm On Dec 26, 2023

blowjohn:
Ok good. But in the article they said they can now bless same sex couples.
The issue here is 'couples'
If u bless same sex couples it means ur blessing their relationship. It means they are ok with or condone same sex couples.

These are people that need psychiatric and psychological evaluations, management and treatment, as well as prayers of deliverance, instead of blessings

You won't be asking all these questions if you actually read the document, because all of these points were well explained

There is no issue with the word "couples" because the first part of what the pope said is that the church does not have the power to bless same sex union because it is against Gods will, it is only the people who are blessed. The relationship is sinful and the blessing is to ask God to heal them.

Even a prayer for deliverance is a blessing, in fact the simple prayer "may the lord bless you and keep you" is a blessing, it is an invocation of God's grace on people. "May the Lord deliver you" is also a blessing as most invocations of God's grace upon people are blessings.

And the blessing the priest should ask for the same sex people is the grace of healing and the grace to follow the will of God which is man and woman exclusive union.

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:25pm On Dec 26, 2023

drnoel:
Exactly and that is why when I see statements like on this thread, I ask if people even understand what was said before they start arguing.
Very well said, bravo!

They did not read the document they are just talking rubbish

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Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:25pm On Dec 26, 2023

ariesbull:
i am a catholic ....and I domt support this madness

Whaat madness do you not support biko, let me hear it?
Is it today that priest started to bless sinners?
Do fornicators and adulterers not go to priests for blessing for good health and get blessed?
why the sudden cry because the sinners going for a blessing are gay people?

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 4:21pm On Dec 26, 2023

bitbillionaire:
You can continue but I will still need to know what the pope actually said.

Th quote I gave you is directly from what the pope said.
He said the church does not have the power to bless any same sex union or marriage, However, Jesus is God's blessing to us while we were still sinners and that tells us that sinners can be blessed without blessing the sins or sinful relationship.
Therefore if people in a sinful relationship come to a priest and say Fr. bless me, the priest should always be willing to open his hands and grant a blessing, just as any sinner can receive a blessing. however, that blessing is also a request to God to heal those people and give them the grace to live according to his will. That blessing can also be an opportunity to preach to them.
However, the blessing should not occur with any sign, gesture, vestment, place or word that will make people think that the sinful relationship is being blessed.

you can read the full document

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:19am On Dec 26, 2023

drnoel:
You need to ignore the bishop and look directly yourself what exactly the Pope said.
This Bishop that says the Pope didn't say what was reported he said but didn't quote the Pope himself is also peddling false information

It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm.

5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:18am On Dec 26, 2023

Iamzik:
No matter how much you window dress gay and lesbianism the Bible is clearly against it.

Pope is not infallible and this is an error that the entire Catholic church will regret later. The church should not be bullied by the LGTV mob into adopting worldly lifestyle

Even the pope's document agrees with you that the bible is clearly against it

Christianity Etc › Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:17am On Dec 26, 2023

bigcasava1:
If pope did not approve it what did pope said? bcoz pope we all knew that Pope recently gave a verdict on that matter. Bishop we know you love catholic church that's why you are defending it but when the church is deviating from it core mandate it is expected leaders like you should criticize it. Anyway we heard what pope said you can't change it

Did you read the document?
This is what the pope saids

It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm.

5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.

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