phemmyfour:
They will derobe her... she's not wearing that white gown again

nobody is derobing her.

Osanoghodua1:
Some of them are school teachers, it's part of their social activities to the kids but She could have look for a Christian song since she's a custodian of church doctrine.

why would she need to choose a christian song? which law prohibit her from dancing to worldly music?

PappyScuti:
As a christened fellow It's not allowed to dance or vibe to any worldly music... Her vibing to Buga should be penalized

not for catholics. Maybe it is so for protestants, but dancing to worldly music is not a sin, certainly not for a catholic

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus is not talking about individuals here Sir rather he's talking about different religions.

Jesus explained that a tree symbolises religion initiated by someone just as he himself was a tree planted by his father {John 15:1-2} and his disciples are the branches {John 15:6} so each religion is the initiative of a certain spirit (God) and those taking the lead in each religion are the branches of the tree.

The FRUIT of each tree is the result of their teachings in the gathering of the worshipers practicing what is being taught in each religion.

So Jesus' question here means whenever you discover an organization or group of people practicing what everyone knows is good then you don't need to doubt that those taking the lead in such a religion are God's spokesmen!

the entire context on Matthew 7 refers to individual not just different religions.... that entire chapter is admonition to people not just religions. As much as you may like to apply it to groups and organisations, please to obsure the contextual meaning

It is a pity you are a sedesvacantist

gaelllic:


Don't be obtuse.
A Catholic is one who professes the true Faith.
By acknowledging Francis as Pope, the one who does so is declaration by action that he has the true Faith.
That's heresy.

If this is true please show me where those in communion with pope Honorius were excommunicated. In fact show me where Honorius who made heretical statements when alive was deprived of his see while he was alive. when you do that you would have successfully proven that whoever is in communion with a heretic pope ipso facto is a heretic.


in fact to even attempt to condemn a living pope of heresy is illicit according to pope Hadrian, the only person who can call Johnpaul a heretic is Benedict xvi, the only person that can call Benedict a heretic is Francis and so on. No catholic and no council according to pope Hadrian is allowed to convict a pope of heresy.


“Although we have read of the Roman pontiff having passed judgement on the bishops of all the churches, we have not read of anyone having passed judgement on him. For even though Honorius was anathematized after this death by the easterners, it should be known that he had been accused of heresy, which is the only offence where inferiors have the right to resist the initiatives of their superiors or are free to reject their false opinions, although even in this case no patriarch or other bishop has the right of passing any judgement on him unless the consent of the pontiff of the same first see has authorized it.” (from the Acts of Constantinople IV, ed. Leonardi, 238)

Francis' statements are not merely wrong. The are heretical.

you still haven't proved that Pope Francis commited a single heresy, you presented two disciplines which had been repealed by pope puis xii and canon law respectively. Then you brought the issue of justification where scholars are in agreement that the council of Trent and Luther are in agreement on the core of that doctrine.

He has made such statements much more than once. To suggest otherwise is to lie.

To say that a person needs to be canonically declared a heretics before he incurs Divine penalty is false:

"But if anyone has been excommunicated or stripped of Episcopal or clerical dignity by Bishop Nestorius or his followers after they began to preach such things (the Nestorian heresy) it is manifest that such a person continues in Our communion. Because...that man who had already shown that he should be removed was not able to remove anyone."

thank God your quote has nothing to do with a pope, put i have provided the teaching of Pope Hadrian that a pope cannot be judge for heresy by anyone.

now I will present the teaching of a council



“God wished the causes of other men to be decided by men; but He has reserved to His own tribunal, without question, the ruler of this see.” Synodus Palmaris, 502.

When you become Pope or God then you can sit in judgement over a pope. but so far you have failed to show a single instance where pope Francis said anything that looks close to heresy.

- Pope St Celestine
Letter to John of Antioch, 430

(Note he says "from the time they began to preach such things" to show that loss of jurisdiction occurs from the time heresy is manifest)

Heretics may be notorious in fact or notorious in law. The latter refers to those upon whom canonical judgement has been passed.
The former refers to those whose heresy is publicly known and whose sinful character (imputability) cannot be excused by any excuse accepted in law. It refers to Francis.

If you hold that Francis' flood of heretical statements do not represent obstinacy, you're simply not of the truth.
The man himself said in an address on May 23, 2015:

"I feel like saying something that may sound controversial, or even heretical, perhaps."

He knows exactly what he's doing.

And if you can't see that, you're headed for the Pit.

Conclusion in my next pos

[/quote] you still haven't presented a single heresy from Pope Francis, the best you have done is show you misunderstanding of what constituite discipline and what is a dogma

Again i must reiterate that half knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance.

There is a difference between dogma and discipline. Jesus is the saviour of the universe is a dogma, Friday fast is a discipline. One pope can change the discipline of another and a bishop may overturn universal law if the salvation of souls is involved.

so i will help you differentiate what is a discipline from what is dogma, then i will show you the document that repealed the disciplines you are alluding to

gaelllic:


Yes, JPII and Benedict XVI were both heretics.

Catholics may not pray with non-Catholics:

"So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the meetings (conventibus) of non-Catholics..."
- Pope Pius XI
Mortalium Animos, 1928

This is a discipline and it was immediately repealed by the pope after puis xi

"With regard especially to <mixed assemblies and conferences of Catholics with non-Catholics>, which in recent times have begun to be held in many places to promote "union" in the faith, there is need of quite peculiar vigilance and control on the part of Ordinaries. For if on the one hand these meetings afford the desired opportunity to spread among non-Catholics the knowledge of Catholic doctrine, which is generally not sufficiently known to them, yet on the other hand they easily involve no slight danger of indifferentism for Catholics. In cases where there seems to be some hope of good results, the Ordinary shall see that the thing is properly managed, designating for these meetings priests who are as well qualified as possible to explain and defend Catholic doctrine properly and appropriately." De Motione ‘Oecumenica. Published in the Papacy of Pope Pius XII
This shows you that catholic priest, much more a catholic bishop may attend ecumenical meetings with non-Catholics according to the authority of Pope Pius XII, which thereby repealed the discipline of Pius XI. By this we know it is a discipline and one pope may modify the discipline set forth by a previous pope.

Moreso this discipline was further discussed by the Vatican II council and the discipline of Puis XII was adopted and allowed catholics under the authority of their bishops to take part in meetings with non-catholics.

"4. Today, in many parts of the world, under the inspiring grace of the Holy Spirit, many efforts are being made in prayer, word and action to attain that fullness of unity which Jesus Christ desires. The Sacred Council exhorts all the Catholic faithful to recognize the signs of the times and to take an active and intelligent part in the work of ecumenism.

The term "ecumenical movement" indicates the initiatives and activities planned and undertaken, according to the various needs of the Church and as opportunities offer, to promote Christian unity. These are: first, every effort to avoid expressions, judgments and actions which do not represent the condition of our separated brethren with truth and fairness and so make mutual relations with them more difficult; then, "dialogue" between competent experts from different Churches and Communities. At these meetings, which are organized in a religious spirit, each explains the teaching of his Communion in greater depth and brings out clearly its distinctive features. In such dialogue, everyone gains a truer knowledge and more just appreciation of the teaching and religious life of both Communions. In addition, the way is prepared for cooperation between them in the duties for the common good of humanity which are demanded by every Christian conscience; and, wherever this is allowed, there is prayer in common. Finally, all are led to examine their own faithfulness to Christ's will for the Church and accordingly to undertake with vigor the task of renewal and reform.

When such actions are undertaken prudently and patiently by the Catholic faithful, with the attentive guidance of their bishops, they promote justice and truth, concord and collaboration, as well as the spirit of brotherly love and unity. This is the way that, when the obstacles to perfect ecclesiastical communion have been gradually overcome, all Christians will at last, in a common celebration of the Eucharist, be gathered into the one and only Church in that unity which Christ bestowed on His Church from the beginning. We believe that this unity subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time." UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO

catholics may not pray for those who die outside the Church:

“And this is now the reason for holy men not praying for unbelieving and ungodly men who are dead; for they are unwilling that the merit of their prayer should be set aside, in that presence of the righteous Judge, in behalf of those whom they know to be already consigned to eternal punishment.”
-Pope St. Gregory the Great
Moralia, Book 34

Who a catholic may or may not pray for is itself a matter of discipline.

And canon law tell us that any death can be prayed for even at mass, thus repealing that discipline

“A priest is free to apply the Mass for anyone, living or dead” (Canon 901).

I didn't say he agreed with Luther on "certain issues".
I said he agreed with Luther on Justification

Don't be dishonest. That's sinful.

Francis said:

"And today Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification. On this point, which is very important, he did not err."

That's what he said and it is heresy.

Do you agree or not?

Don't dodge the issue.

may be you need to do your research but there is a joint agreement between catholics and lutherans that on the core of justification, Luther and the council of trent are in agreement. We are justified by Grace through faith in christ Jesus, in baptism irrespective of our work, we are justified that we may do good works. So yes in the core of luther on justification he was right and was in agreement with the Catholic church, but his polemical nature did not allow him to see that.

Miracle2020:
what of bishop kukah? Is the church sleeping?

first of all, Bishop Kukah is a bishop not a priest like Mbaka. In Catholicism a bishop is the fullness of the priesthood, equal in dignity to the pope, that is just to put it in context. Between +Kukah and Mbaka there is a wide difference.

secondly, Kukah addresses government policies just like any priest and particularly bishops are allowed to do. He can criticize government and their bad policies, but never will you see kukah commenting on partisan politics from the pulpit, he will never tell you who will win an election, which candidate God is against or go into person attacks and start cursing people like Mbaka has no.

CAtholic priests may attack different government policies if they wish to, in fact they can support mr. a if they like when discussing with their friends, but they are not allowed to go into partisan politics and using the pulpit to attack mr. b, curse him or stop him from winning an election.

Bishop Kukah is actually doing well attacking evil policies and government failures, Mbaka is attacking person who are candidates of political parties during an election season

Miracle2020:
Foolish bishop, so mbaka don't have any right to say his mind?
When Mbaka was abusing buhari,why didn't the bishops order for closure of the ministry?

He has a right to say his mind, the church has a right to say what kinds of things can be preached from it pulpit and the church has a right to enforce discipline when its rules and not obeyed

nicho450:
I love the fact that he submitted to a higher authority.

The way the Catholic church is run, he didn't have a lot of options

Nedum1979:

But Bishop get it wrong . He would have punish only Rev Fr Mbaka not the worshipers. Closing Adoration ministry is not the answer why can't he appoint another Rev Fr to celebrate mass for the thousands of people that come for church service.. Rev Fr Mbaka is not the owner of ADORATION MINISTRY but only a spiritual director it is own by catholic church. And Bishop receive all the offering collected during mass . Weather on Sundays, Wednesday and Friday night...
I want to tell you that what Bishop did for closing Adoration ministry is worst than what Rev Fr Mbaka did ...
Mbaka offend one man Mr Peter Obi and later apologize and Bishop Onaga stand on Mbaka's error and commit sacrilege...

there is a parish close to that place they don't want to attend mass they want their adoration with Mbaka. if they want to worship there are many catholic churches around that same area.

Fr. Mbaka actually runs the place and decides what happens with the offering, it is his ministry not the diocese's
there is no sacrilege there. a bishop can close up a parish recognized by canon law, what is a ministry which isn't even recognized by canon law that he isnt justified in closing

paxonel:
but the catholic started the rapture teaching and handed it to Protestants so many years ago?

As I said earlier make your research. The catholic church has its own eschatology. it is not rapture. Rapture is a uniquely protestant idea, nobody handed it to them, they created the doctrine on their own.

Shikena:
It is time for the Catholic Church to act. The current Pope should act like one and end this madness. Gentlemanism won't solve some problems, everyone knows no one mess with that church talk less these bunch of devilish subhumans wrecking havoc and spreading sorrow and fear across Nigeria.

act by doing what exactly?

megacity:


Mbaka is ordained in the Catholic Church and that ordination is not cancellable because "the gifts and callings of God is without repentance " - Romans 11:29

Another thing is the Holy Catholic Church belongs to God and no man has the authority to ask Mbaka or his followers to leave

No one asked Mbaka or his followers to leave but +Onaga has the power to do all that he has done and much more

9jaHustler:
You are correct, the Bishop did not close the Adoration ground but Fr. Mbaka suspended activites until further notice. I hope Fr. Mbaka will comeout to address the rampaging villagers.

Usually it will go both ways, Just as the catholics received a letter saying not to attend adoration ministry, Mbaka probably received a letter telling him to cease all activities

Amplifiedking:
Protests erupted at Father Mbaka’s Adoration Ministry today, as members demanded the sacking of the Catholic Bishop of Enugu diocese, for daring to suspend the controversial ministry.
Religion (the opium of the masses), can as well be a tool of manipulation of the poor.
Watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z800kYJCin4

These ones are only making it harder for Mbaka

paxonel:
There is no rapture in the bible.
It is all together a cooked doctrine of the ancient Roman catholic, geared at enslaving and impoverishing the mind

Atleast make research before you start condemning people and using the Catholic church as the scapegoat of everything you dislike.

The Catholic Church does not teach rapture. It is a protestant doctrine

gaelllic:


I quoted a relevant dogma, which you can't dispute.
That shows I know what I'm talking about.



Onaga is a heretic many times over.

However, the most straightforward charge is that he is in communion with a manifest, notorious heretic in the shape of Jorge Bergoglio, whom you call Francis.
You know Francis is a heretic, right? I hope we don't have to waste time arguing about that.

He prays with Jews,...

https://www.voanews.com/a/pope-francis-rome-synagogue/3150671.html

prays for dead Jews,...

https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-ap-top-news-international-news-prayer-pa-state-wire-9b338ca5b24c4b02904ff450211b5056

agrees with MARTIN LUTHER on Justification,...

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/34103/full-text-pope-francis-in-flight-press-conference-from-armenia

endorses sodomites...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-5462762

...and so on and so forth ad nauseam.

The man is an obvious heretic.
A manifest and notorious heretic.
And a heretic cannot be Pope.

See the following dogmatic declarations:

“By heart we believe and by mouth confess the one Church, not of heretics..."
Pope Innocent III
Euis Exemplo, 1208


"St. Augustine notes that other heresies may spring up, to a single one of which, should any one give his assent, he is by the very fact cut off from Catholic unity.
"No one who merely disbelieves in all (these heresies) can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or may arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic"

- Pope Leo XIii
Satis Cognitum, 1896

Heretics are outside the Catholic Church.
Bergoglio is a
manifest and notorious heretic.
Onaga is in communion with him;
Onaga is a heretic too.

This is why they say half baked knowledge is worst than ignorance.

A man does not become a heretic simply by being in communion with another supposed heretic. POpe Honorius was condemned as a heretic by a council and approved by another pope, yet all who were in communion with him were not ipso facto heretics and consequently excommunicated. In 1054 the latin church excommunicated the patriarch of constantinople but that doesnt automatically mean that the Patriachs of the church of Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria who were in communion with him were ipso facto excommunicated. Heresy is an individual thing and its punishment only applies to individuals.

secondly heresy is an OBSTINATE denial of revealed truth or dogma. It does not suffice to show that the person made a wrong statement once, you need to prove that he was corrected by the relevant authority and that he persisted obstinately in his errors. this is something you cannot prove in any of the cases you proposed above. As such no penalty has been incurred since we cannot proof an OBTINATE denial.

that said, let us examine the cases you brought up to claim POpe Francis is a heretic

you claimed he prayed with jews.... That is not a heresy. the is no catholic dogma that say a catholic must never pray with a jew. In fact Jesus christ himself prayed with jews in their synagogue. If pope Francis is a heretic for praying with Jews that means St. peter is a heretic, St paul is a heretic, pope St John Paul ii, Benedict xvi and even Jesus Christ himself is a heretic. Are you serious?

Then you say he prayed for dead jews as if there is a dogma preventing catholics from praying for a dead jew. Are you joking man?

Lastly you said he agreed with Luther on certain issues.
Well if you had bothered to study the council of trent you would have known that the catholic church agreed with luther on many issues, we agreed that the stupid priest who were selling indulgences and abusing the sacraments and sacramentals were totally wrong and the council made sure to outlaw those practices just like luther demanded. so yes there were many issues in with the catholic church agreed with luther, there were also many issues were they disgreed and Pope francis noted both realities.

so sorry you cant prove that onaga is a heretic, nor have you proven that Francis is a heretic, and one heretic does not automatically make all in communion with him heretics.

learn well before you mislead people with half baked knowledge

gaelllic:


1. One becomes Catholic at baptism.
One remains Catholic by adhering to every single point of the Faith.

That's why heretics are automatically separated from the Church.

"Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have received the laver of regeneration and profess the true faith, ... "
- Pope Pius XII
Mystici Corporis,1943



2. Don't be arrogant. I know it far better than you.

you think you know which is even worst than ignorance.

you have proof that +Onaga has rejected the catholic faith?

gaelllic:


No, I'm not.

The qualifications for being referred to as Catholic have been dogmatically declared (I hope you know what that means), and he and his ilk fall woefully
short.

dogmatically you become catholic at baptism... you seem not to know the catholic faith

gaelllic:



Onaga is no Catholic. He (and his followers) just pretend to be Catholic.

On the subject of the Blessed Virgin Mary, however...
you need to watch this, and educate yourself:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVyptxPQ04

so in your mind bishop onaga is not catholic. are you dreaming

decub:

No, Peter Obi didn't go to him. Obi is a Catholic and it's not out of place for Catholics and non Catholics to visit the adoration ground for worship.

Besides, there was no pre announcement that fund raising would be made that particular day. You can search for the video and watch yourself.

Mbaka only wanted to leverage on the presence of dignitaries to raise funds which is against what Obi stands for.

For the records, Mbaka misinterpreted Obi's prudence and proper management of public funds for stinginess.

actually the even was for fund raising. it was the Baazar for the adoration ministry and Obi and a few other politicians were invited

just to set the record straight

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry, what?,

Why am I not surprised that you lack understanding yet you are quick to condemn what you don't understand?

Jude 1;10

But these people scoff at things they do not understand. Like unthinking animals, they do whatever their instincts tell them, and so they bring about their own destruction.

chidonez:
I find it very strange that an ordinary bishop with a newly created diocese is made a cardinal...I use to think the Cardinalate is for important diocese around the world
How come ekulobia diocese is more important than
Lagos(metropolitan dioceses)
Onitsha(that has the highest percentage of catholics in Nigeria
Abuja(I thought he(bishop kaigama)will be the next Cardinal cos bishop of Abuja and Lagos are normally made Cardinals)
Maybe it may be the fact that both Cardinal onayeikan and okogie both emeritus of the above named diocese aren't dead yet cos you can't have 2 Cardinals in a diocese
But even if he is to pick a Cardinal from anambra state why didn't he choose bishop varlerian okeke the most senior bishop in the east

The story no clear at all

Maybe bishop okpaleke will be called to work in the Vatican cos I find it hard to believe that a whole Cardinal with pastor a sufforgan diocese and not a archdiocese

Please correct me if I'm wrong...I may have made some mistakes but due to my limited understanding of the catholic church that's the way I see it

Pachuwudi44 what do you think??

It is a bit strange and this rarely ever happens. I believe his superior is Valarian Okeke and that is the archbishop Onitcha.

but the list for cardinals is a bit interesting because, the cardinal chosen from the United States is just like bishop Okpaleke. he isnt an archbishop, his archbishop was overlook and a suffragan elevated.

Kobojunkie:
Again... Scripture does not refer me to what you claim apostolic times, instead my focus is on Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant and Law by which we are meant to exist in the Kingdom of God.

Jesus Christ, new covenant, the gospel all happened in the apostolic times. Next time don't scream condemnation when you don't even know what you are condemning

Kobojunkie:
Scripture does not refer me to what you claim apostolic times, instead my focus is on Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant and Law by which we are meant to exist in the Kingdom of God.

If you don't know please research or ask. stop making a mockery of yourself

and yet you read a bible that refers to apostolic times. if God no send you apostolic times oya remove the new testament from your bible.


dey there make english dey wear you.

Kobojunkie:
God no send you apostolic times.

Pray4meJC:
For privacy reasons, I'm an old nairaland member.

About 22 / 23 years ago, a classmate in secondary school lured us into the act of masturbation. Few days later, I started practicing the act and eventually ejaculated after tough stimulation lasting almost two hours. It got to a point I was almost getting addicted doing the unclean act.

Thereafter I graduated to pornography when internet was just starting in Nigeria.
I went further to committing adultery and fornication in the heart rather than with the body by peeping on girls and women having their bathe all to fulfill my lustful eyes. I even watched couple have sex by peeping.

Even though I have stopped and repented from these like 12 years back, I still find myself struggling with other bigger problems called wet dreams, unusual erections and wormlike vibrations in my body and sometimes body freezing at night for 30 seconds to 1 minute.

These wet dreams occurred 2 - 3 times in a week and repeat same in like manner every week compulsorily throughout the year and go on and on the following year. I have gone for several dry fasting and prayer deliverance to no avail.

I don't see myself having sex in the dream when these wet dreams occurred. Sometimes, when the wet dream is about happening I'm conscious and try screaming the name or blood of Jesus but it seems am just very powerless and before I know it, semen has spilled out and I will remain like that. Sleep is distorted and all efforts to sleep is impossible.

Sometimes, when I go to bed early by 8PM and I get caught up by wet dreams by 9:30PM, it means sleep for that night is gone completely. I sleep maximum 2 hours daily because this stuff has messed my mind and life up.

Whenever I lie down to sleep, different uninvited thoughts start forcing themselves on my brain both those that happened today and the ones of years ago. I always try deflecting them by replacing them with bible quote or singing praise to God in my head.

I woke up since 2:30 am today with a wet burser soaked in semen and started typing this because I couldn't no longer sleep. Afternoon sleep is very impossible for me as it has never worked for even 1 minute

I'm greatly troubled and worried because I read my bible and pray before going to bed. I dream about my former schools etc.

As I speak, this stuff has rendered me financially devastated with millions in debt. Could not obtain university admission 19 years ago, brain can't simulate, not married, no kids. Very recently this year my health (details withheld due to family members who might find this posts) is suffering as I can't do anything to earn a living as I easily sored tired in the heart.

PS: At night, every day for all these years, uncontrollable strong erections will suddenly start building up whether I put up underwear or not and I think this is more than the 'morning erections ' science talks about. This is pure spiritual manipulation for me. Same thing happens when I get close to some females whether matured or underage, stupid uncontrollable strong erections suddenly pop up without any sexual thoughts whatsoever to these innocent females. Unfortunately, these arousal is also a problem because it inhibits low self esteem, shame and quick withdrawal from whatever discuss I'm having to avoid the bulge being noticed.

Lastly, a year before I got myself ensnared in all these evil activities, I was already developing memory loss and a single headache that almost took my life prior to all these. The headache can be best described as "sawchain and hammer " tearing the skull to pieces and lasted for hours and resistance to drugs. That was the first and last time I experienced such and any other for that matter.

Where do I go from here? Depression is real when solutions are being defiled.

The only problem you have is guilt and lustful thought. that is all

both of those thing together are puting your subconscious in constant sex related strain.


Wet dreams is not a sin, it is the way your subconscious is reacting to the fact that you think about sex alot. if you are able to keep guard over your thought, the wet dreams will normalise.

next time you have a wet dreaam please dont beat yourself up over it. the guilt you have in your mind is compounding your problem.

it is not my fault that you do not know the meaning of apostolic times. if you think your ignorance means you are been fooled sorry.

Kobojunkie:
You think by fooling yourself, you fools others, I see.

Kobojunkie:
All you have done here is further buttress my earlier point.... You think you can explain God and the things of God's Kingdom by examining the history of man's churches, opening up to the fact that your doctrines and traditions have nothing to do with that commanded by God Himself.

It is becoming clearer that you do not understand english very well. What do you think "apostolic times" mean? because if you did you would know that apostolic times refer to the new testament period of the bible.
but of course you lack understanding and prefer to condemn what you do not understand.

Kobojunkie:
I know exactly what your sacraments mean to you lot and they have absolutely nothing to do with that commanded by Jesus Christ of His individual followers.

Your baptisms are done without understanding of what is commanded in scripture. Even pagans engage in such rituals which seem similar to baptism as commanded by God in scripture but are of completely different intentions.

now it is clear you are ignorant. maybe you can do a historical appraisal of baptism from apostolic times, down through the centuries in the Christian church. then maybe you may have a little understanding of what catholic baptism is and would not make the mistake of comparing it with pagan rites.

TricksterBoss:
Father when wear wedding ring abi na only me see am

many priest use rings on the marriage finger after ordination. usually it simply shows that they have committed themselves to a new way of living and tells all those singles to keep off

Kobojunkie:
God no send you or anyone go dey do "sacraments" so instead your sacraments nullify the power of God's Word in your lives - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

if you knew what the sacraments are, you would not have written the rubbish you wrote above.

So your own bible didnt tell you that God commanded baptism?