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Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:12am On Dec 26, 2023 |
Belafonte: the pope did not give a speech, he approved a document written byy some cardinals. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:11am On Dec 26, 2023 |
buygala:5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex should I continue? |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:09am On Dec 26, 2023 |
buygala:https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:09am On Dec 26, 2023 |
drnoel:The pic is authentic. Yes the pope said the blessing of people who are irregular couple should not be liturgical, it should not be done in a place, with gestures, or vestments or signs or anything that will make people confuse it for a marriage or scandalise people. It should be a spontanous blessing |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:06am On Dec 26, 2023 |
blowjohn: informally blessed is simple. It is when you see your priest walking on the road and say Fr. bless me. Usually he will give you a general blessing and end with "may the almighty God bless you, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" that is an informal blessing |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:04am On Dec 26, 2023 |
Annahh: If you read the document, it says to do both, give them a blessing that asks God to heal them and also preach to them |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:03am On Dec 26, 2023 |
BondRiv:even the pope and the catholic church is clear, homosexuality is a sin |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:55am On Dec 26, 2023 |
Mosba: Oga there is no video anywhere of the pope saying to bless same sex marriage |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:55am On Dec 26, 2023 |
Gboom:for catholics marriage is not a pastoral blessing, its a liturgical blessing and more importantly a sacrament. |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:53am On Dec 26, 2023 |
BrighterSyde:https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:53am On Dec 26, 2023 |
NewDea4: https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:53am On Dec 26, 2023 |
blowjohn: the document actually answers this questions. It say couples who recognise that they are sinners and come to God humbly to give them the grace to live more according to his will are those who are blessed. and the priest should ask God to grant them healing among other things |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:50am On Dec 26, 2023 |
grandstar:the church is actually very clear |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:49am On Dec 26, 2023 |
vickthourh: This is the full document https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing these are the important points. 4. Pope Francis’ recent response to the second of the five questions posed by two Cardinals[4] offers an opportunity to explore this issue further, especially in its pastoral implications. It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm. 5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex. “It is God who blesses. In the first pages of the Bible, there is a continual repetition of blessings. God blesses, but humans also give blessings, and soon it turns out that the blessing possesses a special power, which accompanies those who receive it throughout their lives, and disposes man’s heart to be changed by God. [...] So we are more important to God than all the sins we can commit because he is father, he is mother, he is pure love, he has blessed us forever. And he will never stop blessing us. It is a powerful experience to read these biblical texts of blessing in a prison or in a rehabilitation group. To make those people feel that they are still blessed, notwithstanding their serious mistakes, that their heavenly Father continues to will their good and to hope that they will ultimately open themselves to the good. Even if their closest relatives have abandoned them, because they now judge them to be irredeemable, God always sees them as his children.” Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage. In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit. These forms of blessing express a supplication that God may grant those aids that come from the impulses of his Spirit—what classical theology calls “actual grace”—so that human relationships may mature and grow in fidelity to the Gospel, that they may be freed from their imperfections and frailties, and that they may express themselves in the ever-increasing dimension of the divine love. 32. Indeed, the grace of God works in the lives of those who do not claim to be righteous but who acknowledge themselves humbly as sinners, like everyone else. This grace can orient everything according to the mysterious and unpredictable designs of God. Therefore, with its untiring wisdom and motherly care, the Church welcomes all who approach God with humble hearts, accompanying them with those spiritual aids that enable everyone to understand and realize God’s will fully in their existence.[22] 33. This is a blessing that, although not included in any liturgical rite,[23] unites intercessory prayer with the invocation of God’s help by those who humbly turn to him. God never turns away anyone who approaches him! Ultimately, a blessing offers people a means to increase their trust in God. The request for a blessing, thus, expresses and nurtures openness to the transcendence, mercy, and closeness to God in a thousand concrete circumstances of life, which is no small thing in the world in which we live. It is a seed of the Holy Spirit that must be nurtured, not hindered. 39. In any case, precisely to avoid any form of confusion or scandal, when the prayer of blessing is requested by a couple in an irregular situation, even though it is expressed outside the rites prescribed by the liturgical books, [b]this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding.[/b]The same applies when the blessing is requested by a same-sex couple. 44. Any blessing will be an opportunity for a renewed proclamation of the kerygma, an invitation to draw ever closer to the love of Christ. If you dont understand that here is a simple one Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for. At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help. But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan. https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:40am On Dec 26, 2023 |
Stevosty:The cardinal who wrote the document already debunked it. Feel free to read https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:39am On Dec 26, 2023 |
ariesbull: So in your church only those who are righteous and without sin who can receive a blessing? |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:38am On Dec 26, 2023 |
Djele:Or as the Pope's document says, Pray that God will heal them. |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:33am On Dec 26, 2023 |
johnson4nosa:see weytin the pope talk [b]4. Pope Francis’ recent response to the second of the five questions posed by two Cardinals[4] offers an opportunity to explore this issue further, especially in its pastoral implications. It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm. 5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.[/b] https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for. At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help. But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan. https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:31am On Dec 26, 2023 |
GYBABA: well the person who wrote the document came to give its clear interpretation. Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for. At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help. But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan. https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:24am On Dec 26, 2023 |
Nahunger:Actually even the pope's official spokesperson, the one who signed the document, has come out to clarify it |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:23am On Dec 26, 2023 |
abhosts: Its not only African catholics, even the cardinal who signed the document came out to explain it, he said it doesn't support blessing same sex union https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:21am On Dec 26, 2023 |
frog12: If you read the document by the vatican instead of the sensational news headline, you would have known that the catholic church and the new document prohibits that. 39. In any case, precisely to avoid any form of confusion or scandal, when the prayer of blessing is requested by a couple in an irregular situation, even though it is expressed outside the rites prescribed by the liturgical books, this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding.The same applies when the blessing is requested by a same-sex couple. 11. Basing itself on these considerations, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Explanatory Note to its 2021 Responsum recalls that when a blessing is invoked on certain human relationships by a special liturgical rite, it is necessary that what is blessed corresponds with God’s designs written in creation and fully revealed by Christ the Lord. For this reason, since the Church has always considered only those sexual relations that are lived out within marriage to be morally licit, the Church does not have the power to confer its liturgical blessing when that would somehow offer a form of moral legitimacy to a union that presumes to be a marriage or to an extra-marital sexual practice. The Holy Father reiterated the substance of this Declaration in his Respuestas to the Dubia of two Cardinals. 4. Pope Francis’ recent response to the second of the five questions posed by two Cardinals[4] offers an opportunity to explore this issue further, especially in its pastoral implications. It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm. 5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html It is there written clearly in black and white that the Catholic church DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO IMPART BLESSINGS ON UNIONS OF PERSON OF SAME SEX. that is what the vatican said |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:10am On Dec 26, 2023 |
BlueStripper: Are you sure you read the communique? because of you did you won't be saying this. And it is not the African church doing damage control, the cardinal who wrote the communique came out to clarify what he meant by a blessing and that it has nothing to do with a union or same sex marriage, something the communique clearly forbids. Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for. At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help. But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan. https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:06am On Dec 26, 2023 |
letristian:The cardinal who wrote the controversial document clarified exactly what blessings should be offered them "Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for. At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help. But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan. https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing Is there any part you don't understand? |
Religion / Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:03am On Dec 26, 2023 |
buygala:did you bother to read the document that it was said in or did you just read a news article? Because a Cardinal is telling you that the news is twisting the pope's words and instead of going to checkk what the pope said you are busy bring the same news articles that the cardinal just condemned |
Religion / Re: Is It A Sin To Sit With The Congregation While On Menstruation? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:39pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
0monnak0da: Heb 8; 13 In that He says, “ A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Heb 9:9-10 According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered dthat cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10 but deal only with efood and drink and fvarious washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation |
Religion / Re: Is It A Sin To Sit With The Congregation While On Menstruation? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:39pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
0monnak0da: Heb 8; 13 In that He says, “ A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Heb 9:9-10 According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered dthat cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10 but deal only with efood and drink and fvarious washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation have a lovely day |
Religion / Re: Is It A Sin To Sit With The Congregation While On Menstruation? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:24am On Mar 05, 2023 |
omolola100: Its an old testament rule. Most christian churches not practice it because it is a law on ritual purity which is abolished by Christ's death 1 Like |
Religion / Re: It Is Not By Force To Give Offerings And Tithe by Ubenedictus(m): 10:27am On Feb 13, 2023 |
donbenie: you can show me where the term Roman Catholic church was used some centuries before Anglicans |
Religion / Re: January 7th Is Christmas In Ethiopia by Ubenedictus(m): 10:26am On Feb 13, 2023 |
1Dray:If you had read the post you would have realized that your objection was answered. I will happily copy and paste the reply to that objection. Reply to Objection 3: Recall that Palestine is not England, Russia, or Alaska. Bethlehem is situated at the latitude of 31.7. Dallas, Texas has the latitude of 32.8, and it’s still rather comfortable outside in December. As the great Cornelius a Lapide remarks during his lifetime, one could still see shepherds and sheep in the fields of Italy during late December, and Italy is at higher latitude than Bethlehem. |
Religion / Re: January 7th Is Christmas In Ethiopia by Ubenedictus(m): 10:23am On Feb 13, 2023 |
alabo1:I Should say the same to you. Because He was born |
Religion / Re: January 7th Is Christmas In Ethiopia by Ubenedictus(m): 10:23am On Feb 13, 2023 |
AntiChristian:If you disagree with something, the intelligent thing to do is provide reasons why you disagree. Those reasons will be looked at, accepted or rebutted with proper argument. That is how people correct "lies" not by claiming that if the thought expressed is different from yours, then the thought is being forced on you. Nobody is forcing you, either provide a rebuttal, agree or scroll past. |
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