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Neither are you God to know who and who is lying. There are fakes but you aren't God's policeman commisioned to detect fakes and genuine people. You still haven't answered my question. What is the fate of those with no medical solution?

I get irritated when people say "take away mriacles and see how many people will stop serving God"

For the records you can separate christianity and miracles. Being a christian and bornagain is in itself a miracle. Inshort salvation is the biggest miracle ever. How many people doubt or ask for evidence that God has accepted a murderer who prayed the prayer of salvation and was instantly made a new creature. Is it because we don't see in ths spirit what happens when a sinner comes to God.

If only you know then you would understand that a wombless woman giving birth is nothing compared to it. This reminds me of the story in the bible where Jesus told a lame man that his sins are forgiven and the people shouted. He said "which one is easier, to say your sins are forgiven or rise up and walk".

But we have turned it upside down. We never doubt the power of God to save but we doubt His ability to heal and perform miracles

If you think that Jesus miracles were accepted in His day, then that's a big lie. They too doubted Him. And yes miracles don't make logical sense. Never have and never will.

And for the records, I am not in support of people going to prayer houses because people do lots in the name of christianity. The Word of God can be applied by any and everybody. If I have an issue, I mustnt necessarily go to my pastor but I can meet any christian brother or sister and pray the prayer of agreement.

However, I'm not God and wouldn't castigate any person or judge anybody that claims she got pregnant by believing God or through a pastor praying. What I simply ask myself is "is God able to give a wombless woman a child genuinely". I then praise Him for that. so if the testifier is lying, He has God to contend with. Than to risk talking down a genuine miracle done by God.

Your argument can only stand if you can prove that everybody abroad who sought good medical treatment have kids together. Isn't there too a rise in infertility abroad?

@ Debrief
Of course there are fake churches all over the place. Howvere, this does not in any way change the fact that God has not withdrawn His gifts on His genuine ministers.

Yes God gave doctors the knowledge with which they are operating in. But He does NOT require the services of any doctor when He wants to do what He wants to do. Maybe you can refer me to the name of the specialist that Sarah, Hannah, Samson's mother or Elizabeth in the bible used to cure their infertility. I'm not against people visiting doctors but I cringe when so called prophesing christians act like all medical problems lie with doctors who God gave "knowledge. So what happens when you faced with a condition that has no medical solution? Then you remember God right? Or what about couples who have been certified fit and there is no medical reason for their infertility?

May we never find ourselves in situations where doctors are clueless or handicapped as to our plight.

Let's not forget king asa in the bible who sought physicans and didn't seek the lord in his aiment and who died.

@poster, though I am wary of such places. Why don't u pray and go. Be sensittive to your spirit and if you aren't comfortable, leave and don't compromise your faith

@ OP, sorry to say but it seems like your girlfriend is the one calling the shots in your relationship. I am looking at the bigger picture and not just because she asked for your pin. She sounds controlling and authoritative. You also seem to act like a sissy that your girlfriend has to help, push and motivate you to do things. There is entirely nothing wrong in that as women were created to be helpers and most successful men have good wives who encourage and motivate them into greatness. However, there is a limit.

I admire the fact that she is encouraging you towards investing and not squandering the scholarship money you would receive but that does not mean she should get your atm pin and monitor your spending. She should trust that you have a sensible head on your shoulders not to waste your money and I am sorry to say that if she does not trust you in that regard, then that is a bigger issue.

I am not against couples divulging their atm pins to each other (I have that of my fiance) but I never requested for it. However, I am totally against her reason for wanting your pin. So what would happen na? she would notice a withdrawal and maybe you would get a paper and pen and be asked to write down and account on every kobo spent. Nonsense!!!.

You really need to work on yourself. If your girlfriend cannot trust your sense of judgment then the relationship is headed for the rocks. This is because she would get tired of being the one pushing, encouraging and motivating you and understanding how intelligent she is, she would look for a man that would also bring out the best in her and lead her because every lady wants a man they can look upto in every aspect.

As for your girlfriend, that's the problem with some of we ladies. Not knowing where to draw the line. You can bring out the best in your partner without tampering with his ego and making it seem like he is being controlled.

By the way I don't buy into the nonsense of splitting the money with her. Yes be grateful for her help and buy her gifts or even give her some money but that is where it ends. Does it mean because an uncle helped me secure a job that I should start sharing my salary with him?. Wont I just thank him, buy a gift in appreciation and if he requires any financial assistance in the future and I can help, I would gladly oblige him?

Normal Nigerian mentality. I helped you secure a job or political appointment and you must then always do my bidding.

SMH!!!

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@Mod, please due to network issues, this thread was posted twice. Can you kndly close this one in rder not to have multiple threads. Thanks

I read this post a little over a year ago with tears in my eyes. I wondered when I would have the opportunity to feel how the wonderful women in this forum feel. Oh yes there were men around me and people wondering "why can't you just pick one out of these mean and get married". I remember saying to people that it is not about 50 or 100 men proposing marriage to you, God's will may not be amongst them. Its about marrying that one person that you know is heaven's gift to you even though that is the only proposal you would receive in life.

I was on the verge of just going with the flow and choosing one of them who was actually a good friend but who I still knew deep within was not meant for me. I was just about saying yes to him but God saved me and said NO, he is not meant for you. I cried and cried and cried having not been in a relationship ever for 26 years.

And then you breezed in, unannounced, no fanfare, no carnival that I could have missed you if I was not careful. Today I cry in praise to God and say it was worth the wait. I now understand fully well why I had to wait and work on myself in different aspects all because of you. How could I have managed that other guy, it would not have worked ever.

We have gone through stuff together, but our faith in God has kept us through. What about the health challenge that looked so insurmountable? I remember refusing to focus on it but was rather asking God if you are His will for me because I knew that if He says yes, all must fall into place. Today we have victory and our testimony is an inspiration to so many. I remember my parents voicing out their concerns concerning your health then and I told them " I choose to be a caleb, If God said the land is good, then irrespective of the giants in it, it has no choice but to be good". Today my parents share our testimony to all that come their way. My dad who is a columnist even did a full spread article on the wonders of God. You are truly everything I prayed about and I now understand that God's gift comes with challenges at times that makes us miss out on it if we are not careful.

You are my priest, protector and provider and your love for God is so inspiring. Together, we shall surely fulfill God's purpose for our lives individually and collectively.

Thank God I waited for you and you did same

I am going to start by saying that I am a Christian who believes in the principle of "two becoming one" in marriage. But I have been asking myself of late on the necessity to be very open in a relationship and marriage. So I am asking for matured inputs and advice please.

I was raised up in a home where my parents are very open to each other. I mean 100 percent open. Same applies to my partner who reminds me so much of my dad in this regard . While it could take a lot of whining to get me to talk, he is very open. He hides nothing and I have the passwords to his email, access to his phone et al. His principle is that anything anyone does not want my wife to know, do not bother telling me because I believe in oneness (we are still engaged though).

My issue is this, there are somethings that I believe should not be revealed or in its entirety for the sake of preserving relationships. For example, before my parents gave their consent to our union, they voiced some concerns which were normal. I could not go on and tell him everything because the truth is that I know it may affect his relationship with them in the future even though from my point of view and that of my siblings, it is not easy giving out your last child without reservations. But now they have wholeheartedly accepted him.

I remember when my brother was getting married, his wife too who believes in "I must tell my husband everything" was always telling him all what her parents were saying. Even during the wedding preparations which we know always causes a percentage of friction between the two families; she told him everything eg "mummy said I should not always discuss everything with you, I should have a secret account, how can she say a thing like that" etc. Everyone was praising her in my family that the girl knows how to marry, she adores my brother and tells him everything but at the long run, I have noticed the way my brother has changed towards his inlaws unlike how it was initially. This is natural with or without his planning it. But her relationship with her parents is still intact.

The truth is that blood is thick and no matter what my mum says or does to me that is seemingly so hurting, by the next day or two, I would have forgotten but this does not apply to people who do not have a blood relationship.

This is just an example though, so I am asking, are there times when one is supposed to shut up and filter information from one’s spouse or should it be a case of 100 percent openness and honesty?

I am going to start by saying that I am a christian who believes in the principle of "two becoming one" in marriage. But I have been asking myself of late on the necessity to be very open in a relationship and marriage. So I am asking for matured inputs and advice please.

I was raised up in a home where my parents are very open to each other. I mean 100 percent open. Same applies to my partner who reminds me so much of my dad in this regard . While it could take a lot of whining to get me to talk, he is very open. He hides nothing and I have the passwords to his email, access to his phone et al. His principle is that anything anyone does not want my wife to know, do not bother telling me because I believe in oneness (we are still engaged though).

My issue is this, there are somethings that I believe should not be revealed or in its entirety for the sake of preserving relationships. For example, before my parents gave their consent to our union, they voiced some concerns which were normal. I could not go on and tell him everything because the truth is that I know it may affect his relationship with them in the future even though from my point of view and that of my siblings, it is not easy giving out your last child without reservations. But now they have wholeheartedly accepted him.

I remember when my brother was getting married, his wife too who believes in "I must tell my husband everything" was always telling him all what her parents were saying. Even during the wedding preparations which we know always causes a percentage of friction between the two families, she told him everything eg "mummy said I should not always discuss everything with you, I should have a secret account, how can she say a thing like that" etc. Everyone was praising her in my family that the girl knows how to marry, she adores my brother and tells him everything but at the long run, I have noticed the way my brother has changed towards his inlaws unlike how it was initially. This is natural with or without his planning it. But her relationship with her parents is still intact.

The truth is that blood is thick and no matter what my mum says or does to me that is seemingly so hurting, by the next day or two, I would have forgotten but this does not apply to people who do not have a blood relationship.

This is just an example though, so I am asking, are there times when one is supposed to shut up and filter information from ones spouse or should it be a case of 100 percent openness and honesty?

The second is the Pastor's wife's testimony. Her case was worse because from the age of 16, doctors already told her that she can not have a child. She told her hubby after he proposed to her and he said he isn't marrying her for children and that anyway, he knows the number of kids he would have.

For 8 yrs, she had no child and had a medical condition right from adolescent hood where she would bleed for 2 months straight and would have to be on medication to stop. At times, she would stand up and find a pool of blood around her. This led to fainting spells.

In summary, anytime she went to the hospital, something would happen and she would not be able to be attended to. On one occasion, she was the last to do a particular test and when it got to her turn, the machine stopped working. The specialist could not understand and kept shouting why a brand new machine would pack up like that. At the end he gave her a refund of her money. On her way home, she said she asked God for a word from Him and then God told her to seek Him and not any doctor. That was her last day at the hospital. Pressures were everywhere, her father and people did not understand what her problem was. People sent her hate mails while some said her husband used her womb to grow his church.

She held onto God and brought the book where she wrote down all that God ever said to her. Towards the end of last year, she knew that 2013 was her year and she was expectant. One morning, a voice told her to check and she did and saw two lines. Did another and saw no line but said she is accepting the first. Did another and the two lines appeared. She told her hubby and he did not show any unusual joy but rather said "Is it now you know you are pregnant"? That God did this years ago. She testified with her big stomach with tears running down her eyes and all he could say is that there is victory in the Word.

She said something significant which is that we are all on different levels of faith. If your faith allows you to seek medical care, by all means do and God would honour you.

Hello Mothers in Israel. I just listened to two outstanding testimonies and thought to share it here to inspire the faith of others. These testimonies made me shed tears at the awesomeness of God. David Christian Center had a program titled "when women worship". A programe the Pastor's wife put together to thank God for her testimony

She invited her friend who she calls her "Elizabeth" because she inspired her to trust God. Her name is Pastor Laurie Idahosa, she is Bishop Benson Idahosa's only son's wife and she is actually white. Let me summarize her testimony.

After marriage, they started trying out for kids immediately, when none was forthcoming, they went to the hospital where she was told that she was 99.9999 percent infertile and had less than 1/10th of 0.001 percent of ever conceiving naturally except through ivf. She did the first ivf in US for 25,000 dollars and it failed, did a 2nd and a 3rd one. At the fourth try where she had to go to the best ivf center in U.S, she conceived amidst shouts of joy and happiness. She carried the pregnancy like an egg and put to bed. 12 hours later, the baby died. Her world was shattered but she said holding her dead baby in her hands, she knew that moment that she would definitely be a mother. At that moment, she lifted her hands to God and sang "Great is Thy Faithfulness".

The next day, the child was buried and the pastor prophesied that in one year, God would cause her to smile. At this point people were talking, they said her husband married the wrong woman etc and she practically had to shut her ears to all these stories. A Bishop asked to pray for her and her husband and after seeing her asked that she fast for 30 days so that God would show her the big sin in her life hindering her blessing. Her and her hubby walked out of the man and the next day she found out she was pregnant. Naturally, no drugs, no doctor intervention.

That's not all. After the first there was a delay and the doctor told her that she is now worse than before and no one wins lottery twice that she should do ivf. She did the 5th ivf and it failed. Soon after that she discovered she was pregnant again and had another baby. Few months after that, she discovered her baby was rejecting breast milk and she tried to make him continue to no avail. She was advised to do a test and she was found pregnant again. She has 3 lovely looking boys and when i saw them, I could only worship the God who defies medical science

@Cotton and Efe,

Don't mind her. So many people channel their frustrations towards beating their kids or in the case of a teacher, his or her students.

After crying to the extent of rolling on the group. Hyprocritism at its peak! When the child was found, a neighbour in front of the parents told him that neXt time he is about to be flogged he should run to his house and he is capabele of taking care oh him. This woman opened her mouth and said "take him oh, I'm tired sef". I was so angry.

Anyway, I made an imortant point tat day. People always say "leave me alone, afterall he is my child and not yours". I said clearly that from that day, I should never hear that child cry because she didn't look for him alone in the name of "my child". I was out till 12, at 6:30am I was out again and I missed a special service in church. We all suffered that day because a child doesn't belong to his parents alone.

Be concerned about kids. Help them cross the road. Ask questions. Pay their fare in the bus. They should sit in the middle of the bus or keke. Some of them can sleep off and fall sef.

We are just carried away in our little world where we act like we have the greatest challenges ever without thinking about others.

Its really so sad and we all need to change our orientation. I was sadly awakened to this truth about a month ago.

A neighbour's 10 year old son ran out of the house by 9am because the mum wanted to beat him. I later learnt that she beats him just too much and 2 days before, she beat him to the extent that he was bleeding. As he was running, she said "if you step out of that gate, don't ever come back". This child sadly believed.

In summary, I was out till past midnight because I had to join the search for those looking for him. With the mum crying hysterically and calling death to take her away. It was terrible. This boy was found the next day. Limping and with nothing in his stomach for 24 hours.

This was a sunday morning. I took him to my house, made breakfast and hot tea and later asked him questions. He said he trekked from morning till night just moving around. At night he found himself in mushin, saw the branch of his church, entererd and slept. I asked him if anybody interrogated him in the church and he said they only asked him where he is coming from and allowed him to sleep.

I was livid! How can? How couldn't an elder person there make enquires before letting a 10 year old sleep in church. Even if it is to call the pastor of the boy's branch who was aware of the situation cos they had to go search his church.

I couldn't go to church that day but told myself that taking care of him is practical christianity. We should practicalize what we are taught in the bible and show concern for others not included in our fold

Thank God for the testimony coming in already. More to come in Jesus Name. Our God answers prayers truly. One day your son would grow to read this thread.

@ 4 play,

No Fashola has no locus at all. Whether a sitting governor or not. He has nothing to gain personally if Jang or Amaechi is the chairman. That is one of the objection points raised by Jang's counsel which is fatal to the knowledge of Fashola's lawyer hence the decision to withdraw the suit.

Actually, the main issue raised by Jang's counsel is that if the suit is withdrawn, the court should dismiss and not strike it out.

The difference between a striking out order and a dismissal is that with the latter, you can never file the suit again. But if it is struck out, you have the right to refile.

The law is that it is only if a case is withdrawn during trial stage that the court should dismiss it.

So Fashola's counsel refused that the court dismiss the suit but it should be struck out (since they still have intention of filing a fresh one).

However all these submissions were oral which is against the rules and the court asked them to file their addresses.

The court adjourned till september because courts are going on vacation next week to resume in september.

This is very simple. As a lawyer, let me explain what Fashola lawyers tried to achieve by discontinuing the suit. Jang's counsel filed a preliminary objection challenging the locus standi of Fashola to institute the suit in the first place. Locus standi means the capacity to maintain an action which means that one must be directly affected before filing a suit.

Amaechi should have been the one to file instead of Fashola. The plan was therefore to discontinue the suit so it would be struck out and give Amaechi the right to file a new suit.

However, Tayo Oyetibo SAN, I am very sure is aware of the plan hence they challenged the Notice of Discontinuance. Anyway, the court would rule that Fashola has the right to discontinue the suit and then Jang's counsel would go on appeal. Before it gets to supreme court, we would be in 2015.

Fashola's camp messed up.

On to the Supreme Court. He shouldn't celebrate yet oh . He should rather pray his victory is not short lived because the Supreme Court most times affirms the judgment of the High Court.

News coming in states that he has been discharged and acquitted. No source yet though.

@babyosisi,

You were formerly on her side and sympathetic to her plight. But just because she politely refused to respond to your very unnecessary question, you turn against her and attempting to score very cheap points.

What does that say about your character? Very unstable I must say!You just can't take a stand.

Did she tell you that she does not love her husband or wants to divorce him on account of his personal hygiene? Your ears are just itching for unnecessary gossip.

@Poster,

Thank God for your disposition in all of this. Very calm indeed!

Lord prepare me
A sanctuary
Pure and holy
Tried and true
With thanksgiving
As we are leaving (where we dey go)
Sanctuary, for You

Correct version
With thanksgiving
I'll be a living
Sanctuary, for You

Visit and do wetin?

Who said the birth of the child is now proof that whoever was behind the "miscarriage" has lost the battle. Don't kids die after birth? So you expect the mum to go visiting so that if in the process the child gets sick or any negative thing happens to the child, all hands would be pointed in her direction.

The mother may have forgiven but also has her own "reasons" for not visiting

I am so with CC on this one. Geez! We all know that some mother in-laws can be over bearing but in this instance, you took things too far. You never told us that she is a witch or there is suspicion that she is diabolical or the sorts. But to keep the pregnancy of her daughter secret for 7 good months is plain wickedness.

If only you know how mother's pray and cry to God on behalf of their kids right from babyhood stage till adult hood, or how she would have felt bad after the miscarriage and wept before God to restore by giving her daughter another child, you would not have acted in the manner you did. Do you even know if she was waking up every night to pray and cry throughout the 7 months period for her daughter to conceive not knowing that her daughter was already pregnant. What would be in her mind now if not the fact that her daughter suspects that she has a hand in her first miscarriage. Sheer wickedness in my opinion!

I would even cut off any of my close friends that do the same to me not to talk of my daughter. I don't blame you, I rather pity your wife who feels that because she is married now, her family is no longer important. She has forgotten that in the time of crisis of whatever sort, having a solid family to support her is needed.

You people should better look for a way to humble yourselves and beg mama

simple!

My list goes thus:

Chaircover- for consistently winning family section poster of the year, though she opted out of that of last year

Jennykadry- Love her or hate her, she has held her own consistently for the period she has been here. She was once popular in the Romance section, now active in the family and Travel section. Loved deeply by those who love her and hated deeply by those who detest her.

Sisi_Kill- Always a delight reading her posts laced with deep sarcasm

Tgirl4real-Very active since 2008 and deserves a slot.

Sienna- Wunmi or no Wunmi saga, here goes a recognised and respectable member over the years who has been selfless in his contribution in the auto section

MissyB- Her sumptuous meals in the official nairaland kitchen automatically qualifies her

Sexkillz- I cannot remember another person who in a short while generated so much rave both as a regular poster and moderator. The number of threads opened in his name alone is enough proof.

Hmm. For the atheists, that's another matter. But for the christians, which of the stories here make "logical" sense.

1. A man has leprosy and is told to go deep himself in the River of Jordan. At the 7th deep, he becomes whole. Hmm!

2. A widow who has only a meal left for her and her son to eat gives it upon persuasion to a prop :ohet. He asks her to get containers and pour oil and the oil increases till the last container is filled. Hmm!

3. A man uses his rod to divide the red sea and it parts. Wash!

4. Two fish and five loaves of bread used to feed 5000 people and remains 12 baskets. Na wa

5. Water is turned into wine. Sorry, dirty water!

6. A man in the grave for three days called lazarus rises upon his name being called.

7. A virgin gives birth to a child.

I can go on and on but picture urself living in the bible days and hearing such stories. Would u believe? None of the stories in the bible makes "sense" but the foolishness of God is better than the wiseness of men.

Though christians have abused christianity, miracles still exist.

And remember, if it can be explained logically by science, then its probably not a testimony or miracle.

Reminds me of what happened a couple of weeks back.

I boarded a bus at charity to obalende.The conductor shouted that people stopping at oshodi should disembark because he can't stop on top of the bridge cos of lastma. One man refused to come down stating that he asked from the beginning and was promised that he would be dropped at oshodi "oke". The driver told him that if he does not get down, he would not stop. The driver then angrily drove him to Anthony and told him to come down despite pleas from everyone for the driver to stop him. The guy refused to come doown and threatened to deal with the driver while making "fake calls" for guys to meet him at obalende.

When we got to obalende, the guy quietely came down without saying a word to our surprise. As the driver drove off, he said "Don't mind them jo, I was actually going to board BRT bus at oshodi to cms but God blessed me with free bus, all that one I was doing was mere fronting jare"

It was hilarious!

Thank God for your life.

You (and yours) shall not die but live to declare the works of God.

Amen!

[quote author=ochukoccna]It was more or less down to the judgeMETICULOUSLY DETAILING what he has been hearing
Mehn see as judge dey argue for&against the case based on evidence submitted by both parties before him.
The judge kept basing every thing on evidence&a little on human psychology
Wish the justice system in Nigeria was this detailed and thorough
You can only wish,you can only wish

@Ochukoccna, have you ever read a law report before?