₦airaland Forum

Beaf:
Reports say his leg was burnt. I am hoping that his di ck was fried off as well!

I am too pissed off to laff.

FL Gators:
Well, merry christmas jare

Merry xmas , babes.
How are u doing?

Just got back from some xmas dinner just to see this,


My evening is ruined

As if we dont have enuff problems

becomrich;:
Look Igbo send probiafra senators to abuja example senator Uche Chukwumerije ( head of the biafra propaganda machine. Look at the yoruba list, do you see anyone like senator Uche Chukwumerije on our list. Look at the igbo list of senators again. They did not go there with good looking senator and bleaching house of representative member. They send most ex biafra soldiers. go through thier list. Half of them are ex biafra soldier.  Ganiyu Adams should go to abuja in the next election.

I can see why u were u nominated for an award on NL
U see the funny side to everything

becomrich;:
The problem is southerner have never gone to the north.

Are U for real?  

maxell:
Uche2nna for president !

Maxell for VP    U go be my Jonathan  

becomrich;:
yorubaland is the poorest in nigeria if you look at satellite pictures.

What you are looking for is good road, health care, airports and others.  This is how you measure development, and the north have more in good road, health care and airport than south or yorubaland. They are more developed. I would show you more pictures.

I like ur Maps . They speak for volumes  
However, I believe that this thread is dealing with how "poor" the people of a region is rather than how may roads they have.
Going by infrastructure (Power, roads water) the North easily takes it for me in Nigeria as the most developed. However, the statistics of impoverishment tells a different story. There are more poor people living in the North than any other geographical region in Nigeria.

becomrich;:
Yes , this is how you measure development, if you have nothing , you hav are not developed, and the south west have nothing. Yorubas people are just been fool and some are been silly, because they have not been to oher part of nigeria. I have been to more than 24 states in nigeria. I have seen the other part of nigeria. Yorubas are far behind in developed. even satellite pictures shows it.

I think in the Nigerian context, there is a big difference between development and impoverishment.
The North relatively has more infrastructure but that didnt stop people from being impoverished.

Beaf:
MEND have chosen to attack the FG because of the futility in harrassing state governments that do not make the rules and do not own the land (yes, if you have resources in Nigeria, your land belongs to the FG). The FG is effectively their landlord.

I hope I am not sounding pro-government here  

I dont have a problem with going after those Aso rock guys. I am just advocating for a two pronged approach.
While the fisherman in the creek is growing thinner and thinner , the state politicians are growing fatter and fatter with monies meant for the development of the state.
I have to admit that I am not conversant with all those laws u outlined but I am curious on how many of them are still in effect given that some of them are decrees.  

LOL!!!!

Bon voyage
Bithc,I'm like Chef Boyadee 


Eminem knows how to bring out the laughs in me.

Beaf:
I wonder why the ND is so different that people from other states can blame the FG, but ND people can't?

And I wonder where u got that from? I definitely did not state or imply that in my posts.
Some states in Nigeria receive monthly allocations that are larger than the budget of some african nations. If citizens of each state starts harassing their respective govts, maybe they will start putting the money into good use. Going against the FG is good but to me thats a long term goal; a short term objective that is bound to have immediate impact is going head to head with the state govt.

Beaf:
, then give us true federalism and let each state both give money to their governor and demand probity.

MEND did not have to wait for federalism before taking on the FG. Why are u suggesting they should wait until Nigeria starts practicing true federalism before they can start questioning the likes of Ibori?

Besides, due to years of Military rule Nigeria has tended towards a Unitary form of govt making the center very strong and the states weak. U are bound to incur a lot of collateral damage if U are going against the Federal Govt as it is now. Ur best shot as a militant group is to tackle the state govt.

@ edoyad

Attack does not necessarily mean violence. Besides, I used the word  "ASK"

Beaf:
The problem is the FG, solve it at that level and it will resolve itself at state level.

I agree with that. 
However, is MEND trying to solve Nigeria's problems at the Federal level? I dont think so.
MEND's interest is mostly provincial and that province is the South-south.

Beaf:
Forget about asking governors questions,

Thats the classic Nigerian response.
Compared to Aso rock, the state govt house in the respective states is just a stone throw away. This is all about the impoverishment of an area; yet your advice is to leave the immediate primary cause and start looking for secondary targets.

Beaf:
why ask common folk to deal with him.

Suddenly MEND is now common folk?  
In any case this line of argument is backwards , so I am at loss on how to respond. 
U think that MEND is too common to take on an individual, however U dont have a problem with them taking on the FG? 

Beaf:
what happened to Ibori in the [b]Federal [/b]court in Asaba? If the FG can't deal with Ibori,

What happened to Ibori in the court is the same thing that happens to most politicians that connived with the Federal Govt to dupe citizens of basic amenities. They go scot free. Ibori's case is not one of a kind. Telling me that citizens of each state should ignore person(s) like that and go after a nameless Federal Govt amuses me. Charity, they say, begins at home.

Sagamite:
I think most of us are not aware of this because we have over-familiarised ourselves with these players from seeing them in Youth tournaments and Olympics, all of the sudden, they are old legs.

So I can't really fault him in regards to young players coming in. Maybe HB, yes. But if the team performs without HB, then I no really care.

True.

I hope he (Amodu) is pro-active in getting players from grassroots and not just waiting for the ones that play youth tournaments. Kanu Nwankwo might not be the most decorated African player if Westerhoff had not recommended him to James Peters for Mauritius'93.

In line with the 13% derivation agreement and in addition to the gross statutory allocation

Bayelsa received 1,250,877,078 (Nov 2009)
Delta 2,637,633,662
Akwa IBOM 3,029,655,203
Rivers 2,744,340,457

In addition to their other activities , MEND should also be asking serious questions on how these were spend by the respective state govt every month.

~Sauron~:
U have valid points with the Amodu analysis but your theory has only proven Amodu is the best in Nigeria. . .He is not world-class.
Nigeria must go to the world cup with a manager that possesses a vast technical/tactical nous. A manager that can change the course of a game with smart substitutions and tactical approach - I am not convinced Amodu can outfox Dunga, Maradona, Domenech or Capello.

That brings us back to the argument of foreign coach versus local coaches. I have been always of the opinion that I dont care what the nationality of the SE coach is as long as he is world class. However, Amodu was chosen cos those in favor of local coaches won. Its too late now to change it given that we have two tournaments to prepare for in a space of 9 months.

~Sauron~:
If he fails to deliver, then he should be fired. A manager that fails to excel in Africa will fail tremendously when the World Cup kicks off next summer.

Yeah, except for the small fact that the replacement might be no better. Check out the pedigree of the NFF in hiring and firing of coaches. Pathetic.
If firing Amodu means bringing in someone in the caliber of Chief Adegboye Onigbinde, then we do better stick with Amodu.

edoyad:
@Uche2nna , if you know anything about the liberation struggle  i[b]n SA by the ANC you'd know they bombed govt installations too back in the day[/b]. Like i told kj, just google and read the synopsis of the movie titled "to catch a fire" , a true story to get an idea of what the ANC was like back then and tell me how different they are from MEND.

I understand that very well. But dont u think that U are being unfair by just stating that the ANC bombed govt installations without adequately putting that into context. The ANC was not all about militancy, it was something more than that. The militancy was just a component of it, which not even everybody in the ANC supported. JT Gumede, a one time president of the ANC,  was actually voted out of office for advocating active opposition.

Add to the fact that PEOPLE actually came together (representatives of workers union, tribal chiefs, heads of religious bodies etc) and formed the union, conducted an election into various offices and set up a structure makes me think that MEND and ANC are , at least not yet, on the same page.

Why u keep asking me to read the synopsis of a movie to understand the workings of the ANC beats me There are better sources than that.

Nice write up, Sagamite.

Giving Amodu the boot now or bringing in someone to lord it over him in any capacity will be a recipe for disaster. He delivered both tickets (ANC and WC). As a result, he should be in charge when the tournament starts.

I agreed with ur write-up until u suggested sacking him if we flop at the ANC. I dont think he should get the boot even then.
Reason: The NFF is incompetent, simple. After the ANC , the world cup will be barely 5 months away. If you think that the NFF, within that time frame, attract a top quality coach for the SE , then U dont know our NFF. 5 months is already a short time for any coach to come in and transform a team. Add that to the fact that the NFF will eat up half of that time playing around and u will quickly realize that rocking the boat is not the way to go.

However, what really worries me about Amodu when it comes to the long term, is the fact that he has been accused of not taking a peek at the NPL. I dont know how true this is but the fact that there are no young talents coming thru the ranks of the SE lends credence to that allegation. Even when the Nigerian league was a joke in terms of standard , it still gave us players like Finidi, Amokachi et al. I think thats a big failure on his part as he just depends on our so called established stars.

SapeleGuy:
Boko Haram was manufactured by the govt and killed by the govt when they had outlived their usefulness. That is why they are different from the Niger Delta struggle.

The Niger Delta struggle I can understand.
What I seem not to understand is the instrument of the struggle----MEND.

Can U honestly draw parallels between the actions/activities of ANC during the apartheid era and the activities of MEND now? I am having trouble picking up the similarities , especially in their modus operandi.

Kobojunkie:
Now you are not making any sense at all. I am NOT an activist because I do not share the same view as you on this woman’s qualifications when it comes to her being president material? Hhhmmmm!!!!  You are free to think as you will!

I know U are not this dumb so I will just take it that U are being mischievous  

I was responding to this :

Kobojunkie:
. You come up with a name, and I give you my view. You don't like it, there is nothing I can do.  

CILondon:
there is a widely held belief that Nigerian men (I'm not saying all) are too aggressive/come on too strong

From whom?
By whom?
To whom?

Peeps just come on NL and spew unfounded nonsense.

This is just the same as a thread that purported all Nigerian girls have very offensive BO How people come up with such crass generalizations beats me silly.

Its a shame when people use their very narrow and sparce experiences to pass judgement on the rest of humanity.

Kobojunkie:
You come up with a name, and I give you my view. You don't like it, there is nothing I can do.  

Classic!!!!!

Far easier to be a critic than an activist    Far easier to destroy than to build.

Kobojunkie:
But all I had to do was look at the woman’s record so far and compare what she has with what I believe it takes to run a country like Nigeria and I arrived at my position that she is not a good fit for the job. Nothing difficult in that!!

No need beating a dead horse. If I ask U to explain how her track records disqualifies her, U handwave and move on. So I will let that pass.

[quote author=Kobojunkie link=topic=370862.msg5175452#msg5175452 date=1261601623][/quote]I am even more surprised than U are

Kobojunkie:
I hope we throw our nets wider this time around, so we can bring in candidates with even better records, and maybe not necessarily the same level of clout, for the interview so we can get the all round best for the job.

I easily get bored with round and round semantics that leads no-where.

Kobo, for someone who posts a lot, u say very little. Last time I asked U, u insisted that u owe me nothing tangible  

Being in opposition to ideas, issues or persons is very trivial. The difficult part is coming up with an explanation for opposing and most importantly, being able to proffer veritable alternatives.

I have no problem with u saying that Okonjo is not suitable. For all U know U might be right. All I want is a little bit of explanation on why u think so. All I seem to gather from numerous postings is that Kobo thinks that Okonjo is too popular  

Secondly, U have repeatedly posted that there are credible fellas that have been shoved in the background. I am not disagreeing but U will make your argument more convincing if u gave me an example of a Nigerian that has a PROVEN track record, not popular by your definition, new on the scene and to top it all have the knowledge of the Nigerian polity.

Kobojunkie:
I did but since the @Poster did not feel need to post that at all, I decided to base it on MY VIEW OF HER RECORD.

LOL!!!!!

Kobojunkie:
I think there are folks out there with exceptional records and we need to consider those too.

Of course!!! And in case u missed that, Okonjo is not president yet. Someone posted her candidacy for consideration.

U can also start by enlightening us on those folks that U think we should consider.

OAM4J:
I already stated mine. judging from her performances as Finance minister - transparency of Govt finances, budget performances, due process with no single accusation of being corrupt

let me not include her performances at the world bank.

U just stated the obvious. Thats common knowledge.

However, what is not common knowledge is  the records that disqualifies her candidacy. On a very neutral note, I am very curious to know those records. I wish Kobo will help in this area instead of resorting to type in caps as if that will scare anybody away.

Kobojunkie:
I am not campaigning AGAINST Okonjo’s candidacy. I do not owe you anything TANGIBLE in this case since all I am asking is that we CONSIDER records and newness when picking or choosing.

Then I went ahead to state that IN MY VIEW, Okonjo DOES NOT have what it takes to be PRESIDENt because Her records that I know of DO NOT PROVE she is fit for the job.


So, please, let us NOT turn this into what it is not.

Kobo, U said the woman's records shows that she is not fit for the job. Didnt u anticipate that someone will ask U "what records are u talking about"?
I know that we NL folks have a penchant for making  unfounded claims but I am sure we have not gotten to this level. U say something and when someone asks u to expantiate, ur response is to start typing in caps?  

Kobojunkie:
New Meat -- People with even proven records who have been in the backgrounds while those with next to no real records or achievements have been

Like?

I am not campaigning for Okonjo's candidacy. However, U have not said anything tangible. Her track records show that she is not the one U want for Nigeria. How? U cant just make vague statements like that.

Proudly9ja revealed her concerns about the way she quit her appointment as the Minister of Foreign affairs. To me thats a genuine concern, although I am sure there was a lot to that than meets the eye given the strained relationship between her and Obj at that time.

OAM4J:
Why do I think that your view is confusing.

Thats because it is.

Kobojunkie:
I don’t believe so. If you are looking at someone’s records, then it is possible to tell if the person is PROVEN or not. If you are simply looking at the person’s popularity and trying to, at the same time look at record

Stop posting in very vague terms.
Going by records alone, what does that tell you about Okonjo-Iweala?
Are U saying that she is not PROVEN or NOT?
Give us an example of someone whom U think that is PROVEN, NOT POPULAR , NOT an "OLD MEAT" and yet considered a savant in the workings of the Nigerian  polity.

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as new meat from nowhere in this case. We are speaking of getting new names from among the millions of Nigerians out there who are more capable than those we consider more POPULAR, simple!!

It is difficult to differentiate popular and proven   Sometimes, U cant.
Most personalities that are proven in their fields are popular. They became popular because they have been proven and not the other way round.

Even if U have a candidate who U think is capable but not popular, then I suggest U better start working on making the person more popular. Thats how elections are won or lost.

Kobojunkie:
She is NOT new meat if you really consider that she has been in the political arena herself for a while.

I would prefer someone who knows how the system works than pick a greenhorn.

@ Toyin

Guess I will just keep working harder then.

@ OB

U smell old stuff, I'd say. Romance with Toyin no be today e start
Chiogo?

From Amaka to Mamagee ( ) and now Chiogo 

Anyways, good nite y'all.

FL Gators:
lol he is not single. him and mamagee were busy playing pus.sy and cat on multiple threads today

So why is OgidiBoy frowning when I told him that Toyin is off the shelf

Abeg nwa Ogidi, mind urself. Go and chill with Mamagee (that username still cracks me up)

Toyin is already taken. I am still working on getting her to reduce her humongous bride price and demands

FL Gators:
LOL the name [i]is [/i]outta a Nollywood comedy.

No mind ogidiboy, he never goes single for one day. Another day another lady

He is single and searching.
When he was with Amaka he was as faithful as a mule 

Approved1:
Women can discriminate too.

Even though I am large- I also would not marry a Fat Man.

He has got to be fit. Now if he gains weight later- that's a different story, but I am not attracted to it.

Tell them!!!
I said earlier that even a plus sized woman will not willingly date a plus sized man. That offended some NL Users.
Ask any woman , no matter the size or shape, their dream man and see if u dont end up with a pic of a young Denzel Washington.

Approved1:
fat men
short men
poor men
bald men/thinning hair/receding hairline <<<<<<

I am laffing so hard at this

FL Gators:
Thanks. Misbehaves how?

Like you said, he needs to face The-Amaka and mamagee

LOL!!!!! Mamagee? That sounds like a name straight outta a Nollywood comedy

Well, he just said that someone has stolen Amaka from him

FL Gators:
awwww Uche

U know I got ur back.

Just let me know when OgidiBoy misbehaves