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AkataWoman:
You sound absolutely insane. I take it your US visa was denied or you were deported. The fact that an AFRICAN of all people would try to insult a developed country-ANY developed country-is crazy to me. You’re not decent enough to try to improve Nigeria. Like a selfish coward you run to suck from another country’s teat.

America doesn’t need its billionaires to do anything for its people. We have opportunity and means to do for ourselves. However, our wealthy people do spend millions putting people through school, building homes, schools, etc. Many even help out the continent of Africa (ex: Bill Gates & Oprah). What does Africa’s billionaires do except live large while everyone else lives in squalor?

wow

that was harsh

TheEminentLaity:
Great? Maybe, of course yes in comparison with shitholes; Greatest? No way, by a long shot. There are much better places.

Even in France, contrary to what is touted here on this thread by the muricans, immigrants can achieve status, not only footballers. I understand this thread is about illegals so it's focused on social mobility for them but people make money in Europe too, it only depends on where one is looking but unlike the US money isn't everything in those societies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidjane_Thiam

welfare alone is not the only metric used to judge a great country

And I repeat
the standard of living in America is not bad AT ALL

there are so many other metrics there are to use, just as you have different courses in your report card..


Economic might -A1 (No other country come close)

Military might - A1 - Nobody comes close


Land of innovation - A1

Keeping the peace in South East Asia - you have to give it to them.
If not for the United States, that sub region for don catch fire

And many other things

America does not have medical insurance coverage to every one I know
But yet... America still is number one IN GENERAL.

And France has regulations stifling business
I know it


For me
it's America over Europe for me

I'm working towards moving to the U.S. permanently
France would have been easy for me

but I would rather not
it's a shithole

InvertedHammer:
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The taste of the pudding is in the eating. America is the best, easy and very accommodating.

Then why are all of you here who live in the same America not billionaires? Abi una America different?

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The American dream is still achievable to whomever that is willing to WORK and SACRIFICE for it...

If my efulefu uncle can make it the way he did over there over the last ten years, with the investments popping back home in Nigeria and his Trucking and delivery business back in America, anybody can.

that is my point

You are working two jobs, so what?
what plans do you have to start doing better for yourself?

Well sha people see things different

TheEminentLaity:
Living in the US is completely different from what is being promoted. 'Land of the free, with the blacks enslaved' - Jay Z but you keep hearing land of the free and America was founded on freedom and self-determination. Reality isn't always what it seems. The US is super rich and there is a lot of money or rather credit available for a lot of people. Do you know about the advanced credit system of the US? When Akon said many Nigerian artists are richer than US artists because they buy their own cars and houses, did you believe him? Maybe I should start posting links, how majority of americans are in debt they won't pay off till they die or that so many would struggle to fork out $400 cash for an emergency.

You live in CIV, do the middle class there, medical doctors and high earning middle class leave in droves? but they know there is money in Nigeria and 'opportunity' in Nigeria, after seeing Davido and Wizkid, isn't it? That's how the US is to other developed countries like Japan, which is even a stretch by miles. But if one is super rich, one can enjoy any place on earth even Mars so where would that person choose to live? a place where people are allowed to have assault rifles like mobile phones. Do you know about 'Stand your ground' law in states like Florida? Abeg make una leave matter.

Last last, it depends on what some people want and want to achieve in their life. If one is at the bottom of socioeconomic ladder in Nigeria, the US would be a great place to migrate to and make a living but also note that not everyone lives with Boko Haram in Nigeria. What's the point leaving your decent living and secure environment in Nigeria to go pay exorbitant rent in New York living close to the projects or some gang dense area like Southern California? Some nigerians had never been robbed at gun point until they migrated to the US and to the extreme shot at.

well well

What more do I.have to say.....

you have your own views
And feel strongly about them

America is STILL a very great place to live
regardless it's flaws.

TheEminentLaity:
So minority citizens don't own and run businesses in Europe and France?

Regulations go finish you for France

my principal residence is in CIV and I have French partners complain about the regulations a lor.
to do business na war

upward mobility in France,?
except you are a sportsman
FORGET IT

at best you will live a mediocre life, a feel good life, a comfortable life

some people are fine with it

some are not

And remember
my question is....

How many?

eazzzy1:
Every man should date a chick like this before marriage, they give you practical lessons on how to choose a wife.

By a chick like this I mean a light skin, body showing, beauty conscious slay queen. Everybody want to have a piece of them, you feel like a G walking around with them but they are so much trouble.

I dated one like that and even though I give her money she collects money from everybody. Once I wasn’t in a position to give like I always did the relationship started going sideways. I give it to her tho, she was faithful and always showed me off while we dated.

She changed my taste in women permanently. Now I’m into working class conservative non flashy dark women.

huh

Beautyaddy:
Very true.

But as you know most of them don't see it that way.

A bulk of there taxes goes into maintaining their infrastructures and providing free social services to all their citizens.

But there is one thing they are not very good with and that is all those European countries do not have friendly immigration laws to bring in and accommodate different class of foreigners(especially with Africans) to reach their highest potentials or reach major political roles in government in those countries.

yes
that's it

How many black owner businesses (notable ones o ) will you see in Europe?

regulations go just strangulate you

especially that useless France

Beautyaddy:
Are you minding those obviously jealous people on about the US?

You have to understand that the weak and lazy Africans like to live in most of those European countries because they don't have to work or stay on top of their God-given potentials because of the following:

They pay very high taxes to the government so that everybody from the rich, middle and lazy class all get to enjoy the same type of social benefits and they all remain on the same level financially.

They don't have to deal with overt racism(even though there's a high rate of covert racism being placed on most Africans in those European countries.)

So yes, the United States is not for Lazy People.

the lazy class seems to be growing in Europe tho

you need to check out "Lazy Britain" for example

And there seems to be a permanent underclass as well...
social mobility na war

Beautyaddy:
lol!...I can't believe you're still giving that moniker you sent this above quote to any wasted time you have.

the guy tire me.

America for sure have its faults

But that country is just too unique

most of the innovation comes from there

Fortune 500 companies

etc etc....


people like the generous welfare package that Europe gives

But more Europeans move to America

than Americans to Europe

you need to see the stat on the number of overstayers from Europe

it really boils down to what you want in life sha

Some want the comforts

while others want the opportunity that America gives

that's just it

TheEminentLaity:
You must have never boarded a plane yourself There is no other country in the west that the citizens complain and outright protest against discrimination and discriminatory laws than in the US. By the way, the UK is the most convenient place for a black person to exist, outside their own continent, anywhere in the world. Racism overtly expressed, certainly not in the UK, try USA with Trayvon Martin and the likes. A country that abolished Jim Crow laws as recent as in the 70s and you are talking about 'super racist.' Google it, some places in south of USA still have segregated proms in High School where black kids have their separate proms from white kids. You must not also watch the news and get your information about US from Jack Bauer and the Kardashians, about how americans, because they are black are screaming 'black lives matter.' . The US population is largely ignorant of the world outside their noses and everyone is identified by colour/race first. Completely wierd for anyone coming from Western Europe.

America to many Nigerians is like Nigeria to other Africans and black people around the world after watching Davido, Wizkid and PSquare on Youtube think Nigeria is a great place to live, meanwhile it is the one of the worst in Africa, comparable with the war torn countries in the regiion, to live in as a regular person where very comfortable middle-class citizens are leaving in droves. You need a lot of money to be secure and for the law to work in Nigeria and it's similar in the US because you are likely to get caught up with a stray bullet or get robbed in many low-income neighbourhoods. The US with all its money is the third world country of the West. I understand when sufferhead nigerians who move to US see constant electricity and start talking rubbish. Nobody who is rich or comfortably middle class in Europe would want to live in the US. Nobody!

I'm sure you have no idea that prisons close in Scandinavian countries and people sleep without locking their doors and move freely everywhere and 'don't need guns to stop bad guys with guns' or that in the US, majority about 70% would have trouble paying a $400 bill emergency and many people are one ailment away from bankrupcy and poverty and homelessness. I won't bother posting links, google is your friend but stop watching music videos for information about the US. You don't see schools and cinemas being shot up by crazy people with assault rifles (home edition) or gang wars in areas in the US? Or you think because you come from Nigeria the victims could never be you or your siblings? Just look at the some of the retrogressive laws some of the states are passing into law in 2019.

There is a lot of money in the US like Nigeria in Africa but living in Botswana or even Ivory Coast is better for a regular person than living in Nigeria. Right now even Nigeria is becoming one of the worst places to live if you are not super rich. Likewise the US, the difference and advantage is that social mobility is a thing in the US. The richest people change all the time and people move up and down the economic ladder.

Get your facts right next time, and oh I have lived in some of these countries and speak from experience. If I was Ghanaian, Rwandan or South African and middle class why in the world would I want to migrate to the US of all places to get shot or for me or my children to be called niggers?

America is still a great place nonetheless

not a place for lazy and unproductive people

if you want generous welfare
go to fvxkin Europe

timesup234:
How is Nigeria a failed state when she is producing the highest number of dollar millionaires as we speak? The definition of a failed country should be America where millions are moving from the middle class to the working class. The America dream is a facade and in reality a nightmare

And many are also move from middle class to the upper class / 1%er

a country with millions of millionaires

USD millionaires

InvertedHammer:
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Understandable. But don't forget to look at the other side of the spectrum. Success is success irrespective of nationality. If you listen to Presidential debates in US, you will think the candidates are talking about a third world country. I surmise that it boils down to individual race.

A great country is one where the citizens are reluctant to migrate out of the country.

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in the midst of great countries
some are greater
And America is the greatest
And your premise is not 100% correct
more like 80%

A great country is one where most of the citizens are reluctant to migrate out of the country FOR ECONOMIC REASON i.e.
economic migration

Migrating to set up businesses every where (like ndi China na Japan) should not count o

it's those fleeing failed States (NiggerArea for example )
that falls in the "not great category"

InvertedHammer:
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Of course.

And such story is everywhere else. It is not as if the rest of the world is starving except Americans. Eg. The number of billionaires in China increased from 79 to 476 in the last decade. Isn't that a success story outside of the US? India has higher number of billionaires even with smaller economy than UK, Germany, Australia, Hong Kong or France. I believe everything is relative.

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well.....
India has more billionaires that's true

But overall....

How many foreign born people made it from rags to riches in India?


America is unique in that sense

And it's the only country with a "dream"

the "American dream"

And contrary to what many believe
that dream is still achievable in 2019

InvertedHammer:
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Of course.

And such story is everywhere else. It is not as if the rest of the world is starving except Americans. Eg. The number of billionaires in China increased from 79 to 476 in the last decade. Isn't that a success story outside of the US?

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But there is no country in the world where so many foreign born people succeed on the scale seen in America

rags to riches stories of foreign born people in America abound more than any where else
the stat is confirmed
I researched on it

so that is what makes America unique

China does not even come close
neither do France or Britain

And definitely not NiggerArea

Lovecaleb:
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So are u saying for elderly people who want to go see their son after 10years don’t need invitation from the son?. Even when the son is legal

the letter is useless

jayextra:
So its no longer Ghana
Nah we nd Senegal go come dey drag best Jollof

I think you know jollof originates from Senegal right? its a Senegalese gig

visijo:
Nowadays, the Lady with big Boobs has more confidence than the Lady with Degree.������

And who is to blame for it?

Triniti:
Make no mistakes about this bro, SBS is Nigerian navy special forces. Nigerian equivalent of the USA seals. What we have is marine police and they get their asses beaten on the daily by pirates of the coast of the niger delta, what am I even saying? Pirates has been kicking the ass of the Nigerian navy of the Gulf of Guinea

gulf of guinea is now a den of criminality

And this one is talking SBS

no be only SBS

na SPSS

krattoss:
yes we have SBS..(special boat service).

Don't be quick to ridicule your country bro cos it's the only one you have you can call yours.

no be only special boat service

And pirates are having a field day in Nigerian waters

Nigeria deserves every ridicule it gets
.It's a ridiculous country

Pascopele:
Education
Putin: Law
Trump: Economics
Macron: Philosophy
Johnson: Ancient philosophy and literature
Erdogan: Business
Abe: Political science
Modi: Political science
Merkel: PhD in physical chemistry
Xi Jinping: Chemical engineering and Doctor of Law

while someone is still looking fir his certificate

Ikengawo:
I think the Nigerian artists are starting to notice this anyways, it's the Nigerian people that will take time because America has hypnotized the world.

Lol

I know guys like you tho


Always over estimating Nigeria's importance

our industry have some a long way

They have tried

But they are far from getting there
They never reach


we still have zero structure in our industry
scarecrows as record labels
etc

one day sha
But not now

Ikengawo:
Most American artists are bankrupt if you don't know. Most of the ways they are using to make money now are things Nigerian artists have been doing for decades. Today, American artists are latching on you Nigeria ones to make hits and sell records. Americans are good at packaging and convincing and Africans feel inferior to them. The combination of these elements makes a song with Chris Brown and Wizkid feel, to an African, that Wizkid is being blessed to meet Chris Brown while Wizkid earns more money and has more money than Brown. I have seen American record contracts.

You don't have to believe me, and likely, won't.

It's a complex.

lmao

this made me laugh


it's very funny


lol

SIRTee15:
I used to have the same orientation on socialist economy until I saw the evil of brutal capitalism as practiced in the USA...

Let's face fact....
Everybody cannot be rich....
Everybody can't go to uni to study machine learning or data science- these are careers that can fetch u 200 thousand dollars fresh out of school...
Not everyone will turn their ingenuity to creativity....
Not everyone has the skill to navigate the tough waters of entrepreneurship....

What's happening right now in America is that they producing millionaires faster than any other country in the world.....
America boasts of 14 million millionaires, the closest country in 2nd place is China with 3 million millionaires-the difference is clear.....
But yet in the same America, middle class Americans have to work 2 jobs with both couples fully employed to pay for mortgage....

If u know the true meaning of the American dream as it existed in the 60s, u will know America is gradually losing it....
American median wages is nothing to write home about...
70% of Americans earn below 50 thousand dollars, while the median wage is 30 thousand dollars...
That's pathetic, when compared to other western countries...
In the future, the American social class will either be the wealthy elites or the struggling working class...
There has to a balance, ordinary citizens needs to be protected...
That's not happening in America and it's wrong...

I see your point
But I doubt the median wage is 30k tho

some of the things happening in America is not right

But with time it will be corrected

supply side economics that the criminal republicans introduced to the American space caused this problem in the first place

AngelicBeing:
Wetin Buhari and Nigeria do you, let's continue to pray for Nigeria, the more we pray, things will change, prayers is what we need for Nigeria and Buhari to do well, continue to pray for Nigeria, prayers is the solution to good roads, health-care, efficient security, poverty reductions, end to insurgency and all the problems of Nigeria, China and other western nations did more of praying to be were they are today, so stop all the online rants and fast and pray more for Nigeria

lolmao

werey

zomby:
Bros...are you comparing Nigeria to usa?
Nigeria where an average citizen can easily die from a mere leg injury...
Weak education standard
Weak medical standard
Weak infrastructure
Retardeddd leaders from A to Z
Backward system
Lack of direction or vision
Lack of food
Lack of employment opportunities
Lack of water supply
Lack of power supply
And many more...


Whatever you’re smoking is extremely strong...You should check yourself into a rehab.

Trump on his worst day still better than the best leader in Nigeria.
When we are talking about decent countries, pls don’t mention Nigeria..

don't mind that guy

SIRTee15:
I agree America remains the best place for immigrants to achieve fast upward mobility....
But it's also becoming a place where immigrants stuck at the bottom gets to struggle a lot...
Minimum wage is poor n social safety net is non existent...
As an immigrant, it's either u work your ass off or u die trying...
There are no other options...

In other western nations, immigrants can choose to be lazy or mediocre at best, and still find a place within the system to survive n even get by....

why would an immigrant decide to be medocre or lazy in the first place?

that's why these Muslim irritants like Europe
you are not PRODUCTIVE at all but still get generous benefits

benefit are ok
But it's creating disincentive to be PRODUCTIVE and hardworking

Someone has ti pay for those generous benefit
and guess who is paying?

Europe is heading to the abyss if they continue in this manner (with the exception of say Germany and some other countries )

Reelmii:
na married men full this forum ooo


ladies dont be deceived
#iamoneofthem

lmao
o dikwa serious

InvertedHammer:
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A country is known for something. To outsiders, America is the greatest just as Nigeria is the giant of Africa.
Size of the economyy? Yes. Military? Yes. But the same poverty ravishing many citizens of third world country are also dealing bad hands to many American citizens.

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you know the American population is very high

and a 15% poverty rate of say 330m people will show

But still

It's not all bad in the USA tho

many many people still climb upward
like upward social mobility
if one is really ready to work and hustle towards it....

Watched a documentary on YouTube of one Mexican immigrant with his wife each working two jobs and living frugal for SIX years prior to setting up theye own business I the supply chain for Mexican restaurants in Los Angeles

now they worth $8m years after....

such success stories are there.

SIRTee15:
Now u beginning to talk nonsense....
Most likely out of ignorance coupled with hatred...
My friend's wife works in financial compliance sector in uk and earns 90 thousand pound a year. The amazing thing is she works from home....
She was born and grew up in uk, the same people u calling to leave....
I doubt any other ountry can offer her such wages with good working flexibility....

Then u talking about billionaires in usa....
How many billionaires are in usa...600
So what happen to the rest....
For your info, USA has the worst median income among developed nations.....
The country is so skewed to favour only the rich and few upper middle class....
U can't work in Wal-Mart or MacDonald and make something out of your life....
Student loan debt is real and is becoming a huge burden on fresh graduate....
The American dream is gone, the greedy Corporate globalist in wall street killed it....
America now cater only for its wealthy n powerful....
The average American is left behind, dropping from middle class to working class....

The american quality of life for average citizens sucks...
Unless your kids attend expensive private schools, they are better off in Mayflower, ikenne or any nigerian FG unity schools....
American public education has now been declared a disaster...
I don't even want to talk about healthcare. Last year, over 500 thousand Americans travelled abroad to receive medical treatment in 3rd world nations like India, Mexico, Brazil, Thailand etc...
Potholes are now regular sight on American highway....
Yet u had the nerve to attack uk on its infrastructure.....
Trump himself lamented on American crumbling infrastructure....
UK is planning it's 3rd high speed rail that will link London to Scotland....
Your almighty america is hoping to have its first HSR in 2029...
Even the so called social mobility is being a mirage for most Americans....
Right now in the USA, the system is designed in such a way that if u are rich u can never become poor.... and if u are poor, it's going to be extremely difficult for u to be rich....

This is 2019, there's no perfect country anymore...
Even most developed western nations have come to accept that reality....
America has its great side- good career progression, better opportunities in most career fields, strong IT sector, good universities, great centre for innovation n creativity....
But don't make it look like other countries are shitty or lags behind...
America is not even among the top 15 most prosperous nations anymore...
It's number 17 while uk u claim is shitty is 7...

I see your point

But the good outweighs the bad for the United States tho

The standards of living is good, very good, but it could be much better...

But I daresay
That there is NO other country in the world that so many foreign born people made it so good like you see in the aUSA

it's the land of opportunity and free market

chenzen:
graduate In economics... any info guys

you need work experience

you need proof of funds

you need to evaluate your certificate

you need to write IELTS

you need a police report

all these plus a few more I missed are what you need for their skilled migration program
it's called express entry
you need to look into it and research into it...


But from what I hear, the competition is very very hot right now
so...


and lest I forget
you will need lots of money to process this


good luck