₦airaland Forum

there's a new kid in the house - vickybabe or somethin'. Go check.

Ehmmm, Omo Eko said it was boring tonite on nl, on another thread. ken?

spoilt:
who the heck are they? ;d

probably some local naija stars.

spoilt:
ugwumba is trying to heckle me. wont mind him.

please mind me now? Having a boring evening - ask Omo Eko.

cute-ass, you babies pic is fine - Who de fader?

I hail oh! Dr. uspry1 (BMed, D. Whitlow).

Omo Eko:
Ugwumba u were suppose to start a fight, am waiting ohhhhhhhh

@Omo, i don try, but everyone is so nice today - nobody wan vex.

spoilt:
@ ugwumba
all your years in the netherlands and you still havent learnt that marriage is bigger than her cooking for your lazy behind?

Reason why me stays close to our african ladies - still want to cook for their man. No, its not the only thing in a marriage, but it sure adds the spice.

PS - cooking a'int all that happens in the keuken (kitchen).

spoilt:
not looking. sorry.

wont find.

spoilt:
then eat out. what's the biggie? na mamaput you wan marry?

husband go hard you -

Okay, let me find ThiefOfHearts - she enjoys a good ribbage (just follow).


TOH, where you dey hide since? Abi person don tif your own heart?

Omo Eko:
It so dry today

Want to liven things up?  

_{*pick a fight*}

GEEEEEE WHEEEEZE!!! Cute, damn (too young for me)!!

Nokia N93.

If you no get 'ego-igwe' fine mbaise girl no go reach ya hand (and dem girls can fine).

Haba!!!! _{*sneaks out*}

davidylan:
I think you're the one getting things mixed up! Why should an innocent statement from a citizen guaranteed his constitutional right to free speech fan the embers of religious intolerance?
What of the[b] christians [/b] who have had to live with arabic inscriptions on the naira for 34 years? Why did they not go up in arms in 1973?

The sultan has every right to question the removal of arabic from the naira, we the people have equal rights to accuse him of fanning the embers of religious and ethnic intolerance, myopic reasoning and irresponsibility for quering its removal when he should be more concerned with widespread poverty, illiteracy and indolence among his people!

@davidylan, I make every effort on this forum to ignore you, since all your comments usually are based on your ethnic and religious leanings (fundamentalist christian) and every other religion, to you, can be abused. I will leave it at this.

McKren:
Wole Soyinka is obviously repected but his comment on this issue was lacking in logic. How do you explain a Wole Soyinka suggesting that Atiku/OBJ should have been impeached as a result of there indictment on the PTDF scandal, meaning he does accept that they were both culpable but he does not accept a situation where Atiku is excluded from election as a result of the same indicment in accordance with the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria. Is he suggesting that Atiku is guilty of fraud enough as to be impeached but yet innocent enough of the same offence to stand election?? I simply don't know where he stands anymore,

You are simply writting a new version of the constitution, section 137 did not say convicted but indicted.  It did not even say it can only be that from the court of law, it could be an administrative panel of enquiry or tribunal or judicial commision of enquiry.

I will respond to the bits that require a little more thought, and since you enjoy bandying the word; logic.

Ugwumba:
If the so-called new generation of Nigerians cannot have a decent political discourse without resorting to a war of 'indecent' words, then I fear my older generation of activists have laboured in vain.


Firstly, Chapter IV (Fundamental Rights) of the 1999 Nigerian constitution guarantees the following:

Section 38 - Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

Section 39: Right to freedom of expression and the press.

The Sultan has the right, as do all Nigerians, to express publicly or privately his thoughts on the ongoing electoral process in Nigeria. You may disagree with him, but this neither makes him indolent or foolish.

Further, the issues he addressed, have also been commented on by others (the respected Wole Soyinka, for example).

The issue with Atiku's disqualification is not because of the man himself, but the entirety of our existence as a truly democratic country.

All true democracies are founded on the separation of powers, the rule of law and the inalienable right of its citizens to vote and be voted for.

1. No court has, as yet, convicted Atiku of any offence, that disqualifies him from being voted for.

2. Atiku reserves the right to challenge the outcome of the Administrative panel of inquiry - this right is enshrined in so many sections of our constitution that it beggars belief that people discuss this as if the man is commiting a crime by challenging his disqualification on these grounds.

Please carefully read what I have written. I addressed a 'conviction' in 1. and an 'indictment' in 2., which is why they were separate statements. Either disqualifies the candidate. However, while the former (a standing conviction by a court) has some finality, the latter (an indictment) if improperly arrived at, can be overturned quite easily.

1. The constitution clearly contains sections that deal with the right to fair hearing, which is understood in civil society to include the 'constitution' of the (in this case) Administrative panel of inquiry (the judge & jury dilemma), requirements for the full disclosure (documents et al) of the accusations to the accused, the right to fair representation and, most importantly, the right of appeal.

Until, and unless all these are satisfied, the 'indictment' remains a farce. Gazetting such an indictment is comical. I would ask that you wait for the conclusions of the higher courts on these issues and see whether you are wrong in your interpretation of this provision, or whether the learned professors who have so far spoken, are.

I will offer unreserved apologies if you are right (i.e. the courts uphold that the indictment is compliant with the spirit of the constitution). I hope you can return the favor when proven wrong.

2. On the issue of the right to disagree with the Sultan, I cannot agree more, but the language of our discourse must show respect for both the person and the institution he represents. That Americans hurl all manner of insults on their leaders, does not make it the right thing to do. In America, under the guise of freedoms, even Jesus Christ and other religious icons can be insulted.

3. If you cannot understand the consistency in Wole Soyinka's comments on the PTDF scandal and, at the same time his protests about INECs banning of Atiku, then let me see if I can help.

Soyinka is no fan of Atiku's, but understands that if you want to remove him on an impeachable offense, like corruption, you must follow the constitutional provisions.

If you refuse to impeach, then you lay the grounds to be accused, rightly, that the indictment is political, and therefore cannot be used as a reason for disqualification as a candidate for election.

As I stated, the right to vote and be voted for is inalienable.
This presupposes that the qualifiers for these rights are met. e.g. to vote, certain minimum age requirements must be met, and so to be voted for, certain qualifications must be met. This does not mean the right is not inalienable.

As an example, the right to life is inalienable, but our constitution contains several qualifiers on when life can be taken.

Any student of history understands the challenges our dear country currently faces,and we cannot let the arrogance of one man (OBJ), drive us to the brink.

Blow:
Who created God

and Satan?

If the so-called new generation of Nigerians cannot have a decent political discourse without resorting to a war of 'indecent' words, then I fear my older generation of activists have laboured in vain.

McKren:
Dont remember what section of the constitution that says that please remind us

Firstly, Chapter IV (Fundamental Rights) of the 1999 Nigerian constitution guarantees the following:

Section 38 - Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

Section 39: Right to freedom of expression and the press.

The Sultan has the right, as do all Nigerians, to express publicly or privately his thoughts on the ongoing electoral process in Nigeria. You may disagree with him, but this neither makes him indolent or foolish.

Further, the issues he addressed, have also been commented on by others (the respected Wole Soyinka, for example).

The issue with Atiku's disqualification is not because of the man himself, but the entirety of our existence as a truly democratic country.

All true democracies are founded on the separation of powers, the rule of law and the inalienable right of its citizens to vote and be voted for.

1. No court has, as yet, convicted Atiku of any offence, that disqualifies him from being voted for.


2. Atiku reserves the right to challenge the outcome of the Administrative panel of inquiry - this right is enshrined in so many sections of our constitution that it beggars belief that people discuss this as if the man is commiting a crime by challenging his disqualification on these grounds.

3. INEC and the executive branch are duty bound to respect the rule of law, and we destroy the very foundation of our nascent democracy by suggesting that, because of our dislike of the man, we are prepared to sit idly by while our dear country is destroyed.

4. Why the fear of Atiku? If OBJ is so sure of the merits of a Yaradua/Jonathan ticket, why not let the electorate decide. All he needs to do, with all the machinery of power at his disposal, is ensure the elections are free and fair.

5. If we allow the electoral process to continue this way, then we institutionalize the supremacy of the Presidency to decide who can contest in an election - powers I am certain our constitution does not confer on it. How easy would it be for a president to disqualify all serious contenders by accusing them of an offence, setting up a 'kangaroo' administrative panel, gazetting a predetermined conclusion and ignoring any and all rulings by the courts.

Anarchy, my friends, is not a useful alternative to democracy.

Finally, as we grow and mature, we must learn to respect the positions others have achieved in life.

The utter lack of respect shown to the Sultan here is irresponsible, at the very least, and downright disrespectful.