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BY NWAFILI ANENE
THE present democratic dispensation is about 14 years old. President Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan’s election to the seat of power is symbolic, representing a paradigm shift, a renaissance, a new age, a new Nigeria. The revolution that Nigeria desires is silently taking place. Since the beginning of his administration just about two years ago, the emphasis has been on transformation: transformations of the way government businesses are carried out, attitudinal change, and value orientation.
His administration is characterized by silent revolutionary zeal. There is no noise or media hype of what is going on. President Jonathan has shown the ability to provide solutions to hydra-headed nagging national problems. His rule has touched on all aspects of the economy.
Now, what are those things that the Jonathan administration has achieved? Specifically and verifiable too, are;
• The first President and non-muslim to build Almajiri schools throughout Northern Nigeria. Until now, no government at state and local levels have deemed it fit that these Nigerians deserve rehabilitation.
• He took the courage to unbundle the Power Holding Company of Nigeria. We believe that very soon Nigerians will begin to see the effects of this bold step.
• Restoration of the railway system. The system has been moribund for the past 20 years. Feasibility of three others to open new railway corridors, which will be concessioned to local and foreign investors. Expected to create 10 million new jobs and cause inflow of 200 billion dollars investment into the country. Now, go and see these for yourself:
* Lagos-Kano train service is now fully operation after being moribund for more than 15 years
* Eastern rail line from Port Harcourt to Maiduguri
* Zaria/Kaura Namoda rail route
* Abuja to Kaduna 187 kilometre rail line
* Ajaokuta-Warri Standard Gauge Rail line
* Lagos-Ibadan new gauge rail line
• About 90% of 22 airports earmarked for rehabilitation and remodelling completed.
• Agricultural production has increased.
* Eliminating the corruption in the fertilizer distribution system, thereby ending the over forty year old racket and government subsidization of corruption
* The government intervention in rice production and other such initiatives resulted in the creation of more than two million new jobs among rural dwellers
* Cocoa export reached the highest level thereby creating a new set of millionaires. 900 million dollars worth of Cocoa exported, as non-oil revenue first time in decades
* Anticipated annual earnings of $136 million in foreign exchange from cassava which was exported for the first time in 2012 under the Vale Chain Addition programme of the Federal Government.
• Massive rehabilitation of roads throughout the country is ongoing via Subsidy Reinvestment Programme SURE-P. Checkout the following roads
* Abuja-Abaji-Lokoja;
* Benin-Ore-Sagamu dual carriageway;
* Onitsha-Enugu-Port Harcourt dual carriageway;
* Kaduna-Maiduguri dual carriageway;
* East-West Road
* Amongst others
• The SURE-P projects resulted from the partial removal of the subsidy on petroleum products:
* 500 Primary Health Centres (PHC) across the 36 states and FCT of the Federation
* Selection of 125 General Hospitals across the 36 states and the FCT
* Training of Nigerians across the federation on skill acquisition.
* Over 5000 jobs created in the health sector alone.
* Many more in the road maintenance sector.
• National dialogue
* This is a bold step to reinvent Nigeria
* For the first time, the no-go area clause is thrown into the dustbin, creating an atmosphere for Nigerians to sit down to jaw-jaw instead the war-war.
* To allow Nigerians define their own brand of democracy suitable to our diversity
• Upholding democratic tenets
* First President to declare a state of emergency without sacking democratically elected governments
* First President to embrace and brook opposition without the usual coercion using the Federal apparatus
* The most misunderstood, insulted and criticized, yet has remained focused without the usual abuse of office by use of ALL MEANS AVAILABLE.
We hope that this will culminate in a Nigeria where every citizen’s potential would be maximally exploited for the benefit of the country. If you can run, you will be encouraged to run very well; if you can jump, you will be encouraged; whatever you can do, you will be made to do it very well.
President Goodluck Jonathan has shown the road map to good leadership, which is the bane of the Nigeria project. He has consistently shown
• Commitment and respect to the rule of law
• Commitment to conducting free and fair election
• Commitment to participatory approach to resolving national issues
• Commitment to govern within the premise of the constitution of Nigeria
• Commitment to accountability as indicated by the performance contract signed by members of his cabinet and their subsequent presentation of performance card.
Nwafili Anene (PhD) is a team member of Integrity for Leadership and Sustainable Empowerment Initiative.
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And there's still more to come...
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Judging by this pics........are you saying Jagaban may be working his on way to the presidency?

Sorry guys, I no longer market this product. Over the years I`ve tried severally to delete this post I cant find a way to do so. Finally, I just found its impossible to delete a post on Nairaland, you can only modify it. Now I`ve modified the post.

Let me just say that alternative energy is a wonderful experience but for now in Nigeria, they can be very expensive and less effective than conventional means.

Best wishes. Perhaps I too may be privileged to meet you.

justcool: I’m very happy that you observed this! I knew it was a little bit too early to declare that on Nairaland but then I felt it might induce the question that you just raised. It induced movement in you, hence I will answer exhaustively.

Ordinarily, a being can never go above its origin. Primordial spiritual realm can never go above the Primordial sphere; human spirits can never go above the spiritual sphere and etc. This you already rightly grasped from the Grail Message.

However, this refers to the being, or the “creature.” No creature or being can consciously partake of conscious existence in a plane above its origin. This is because consciousness comes from the mobility of the core of the being, creature or spirit. And this inner mobility has to be able counterbalance the pressure of the plane where the being is. It is this interaction between the pressure from inner mobility and the pressure from the outside that gives rise to what we refer to as consciousness. Hence in a plane of a high pressure, pressure higher than that which results from the inner mobility the creature, the creature loses consciousness. Even a conscious human spirit in the Paradise of human, the lowest plane of the spiritual sphere, would lose consciousness immediately if he climbs to the next higher spiritual plane. At this next higher spiritual sphere, the aforementioned developed human spirit would lose consciousness but its form or body would not disintegrate. Only on the plane next higher spiritual plane above the one immediately higher than Paradise would such a spirit not only lose consciousness but its body would completely disintegrate as well; because the pressure there would be too high for its spiritual body to retain its form.
Hence in by any chance or under the most specially prepared circumstance a Primordial spiritual being originating in the highest primordial spiritual plane is taken into the lowest plane of the Divine sphere, once the uppermost boundary of the primordial spiritual sphere is crossed, this primordial spiritual being would lose consciousness immediately. His body and the substances that make up its body will still be able to exist, albeit unconsciously, at the lowest plane of the Divine sphere. Only when he tries to take another step higher into the next plane in Divine sphere, in the second to the lowest plane, would he lose not only his consciousness but his form as well. Complete combustion into nothingness, He ceases to exist!

This is not very difficult to grasp if you trace the descent or coming into existence of the being in the first place; then the reverse of the process is what I just described. Let us quickly take a look of how all beings came into existence. The radiation or substances we call Primordial spiritual was already in existence in the lowest part of the Divine plane as unformed radiations or substances. One can say that this point is the origin of these radiations or substances, the point where they were able to pull themselves out of the circulation movement of radiation in the Divine sphere. Or the point where they were deposited off the Divine radiation. However, mark my words carefully!!! This point is the origin of the radiations not the creatures or beings that could only come into being outside the border of the Divine. Hence that point, the lowest Divine plane, is the origin of primordial spiritual radiations. However at that point they could not take on form, much less become conscious. The being or creature originates from the point where it’s able to have form and consciousness. Hence the origin of the Primordial spiritual beings and Primordial spirits is the Primordial spiritual sphere not the Divine sphere. But one can say that the origin of their substances or the radiations which latter cooled down and formed them is the Divine sphere. This is the place where these radiations first precipitated out.

Understanding the above process explains why the primordial can exist, albeit for a while without losing its form, in the lowest part of the Divine. With beings or creatures, such would be impossible because the pressure of the Divine, which is much higher than that emanating from the core of the creature, would simply flung the being or creature back towards its plane of origin or away from the Divine plane. No primordial spiritual being or spirit can cross the threshold of the Grail castle and enter the Divine realm, such would be as impossible as trying to rise above the physical plane with your physical body. If such crossing is accomplished with the help or escort of higher Divine being, the primordial spiritual being or spirit would loss consciousness on crossing the border of the Divine sphere.

I have already the reason for this losing of consciousness. If you my above explanation carefully you would see why this would not happen to Imanuel. Imanuel’s innermost core is Divinity unsubstantiate, which can carries more mobility and pressure than any other specie including the Divine specie from which makes up the Divine sphere. It is this strength of his inner core that allows Him to surmount or counter balance the repulsive pressure of the Divine sphere, and lets Him step into the sphere with His specially fashioned Primordial spiritual body. Apart from my explanation, above, that the Primordial spiritual substance can exist in the lowest Divine sphere as unformed radiations, Imanuel’s body is made from the highest and strongest, hence the most refined, primordial spiritual substance or radiation. This is the preparation that took great pains and diligence to be accomplished, an act which only Elizabeth, who can be called the strongest Divine being, can accomplish. For the body came into being through the delicate, refined, dedicated, and gentle working of Elizabeth. The fact alone that this Primordial body can act as a body, not just a cloak, of a Divine unsubstantiate part of Imanuel already shows the strength of the substance or radiation which makes up this body.

For in this case, it not just a cloak but a body. A cloak means a certain distance from the core, while a body entails the closest nearness to the core. The body is the form of the core! Hence the body and core are inseparable! Ordinarily, giving a Divine unsubstantiated core a primordial spiritual body would have been impossible due to difference in specie. This is an act of such great magnitude that only God in His enormous strength and indescribable love could accomplish. However, in this accomplishment, the intrinsic abilities of species which we call the laws of creation, was not annulled. Ever act of God’s will unites and completely accords with the unalterable laws of creation. Hence to accomplish this, this part of Imanuel had to work in both Primordial spiritual sphere and the Divine sphere. His close connection with the spiritual due to His Primordial spiritual body entails that He eternally remains outside Divinity unsubstantiate. And to maintain closeness with this Primordial spiritual body, He had to work on both the Devine sphere and Primordial spiritual sphere. He cannot remain in the Primordial spiritual sphere eternally; for otherwise, in time this body will cool down like all Primordial spiritual substances and hence a separation from the core, which being unsubstantiated can never cool down, would occur. Then this core would be pulled above creation based on its lightness and attraction of homogenous species. Under such condition, or under such distancing from the Primordial part of him, this part would no longer serve as a body but as a cloak. Hence His having a primordial spiritual body conditions that He returns to the Divine realm every now than then. With each return to the Divine sphere, this Primordial spiritual body is subjected to extreme pressure, making it impossible for it to cool down, and also bringing it closer to the unsubstantiated core. However He cannot remain in the Divine sphere eternally; otherwise, in time, the pressure may cause this body to lose its form. This is all too simple and natural, and does not deviate, even minutely, from the laws of creation.

Hence the Grail Message writes;

This union, however, involves the obligation of remaining separated from the pure Divine, yet in spite of this permits and even conditions admittance to Divinity.
The addition of the spiritual to the Divine merely prevents a reunion which would otherwise be unavoidable.
http://grailmessage.com/en/volume-two/the-son-of-man

Therefore, maintaining this union of Primordial spiritual with a part of Divine unsubstantiality, conditions admittance into Divinity, i.e. Divine sphere or Divine substantiate sphere. However, this Primordial spiritually embodied part of Imanuel remains separated from Divine unsubstantiality or God.

Strive to put everything you read in the Grail message into motion. The Grail Message uses pictures to describe creation which remains in motion. The higher to climb in creation the more the motion intensifies. Never let any picture or process described to you become static and rigid, otherwise you will make a religion of the Grail message. Keep the entire Grail message in motion. If a process is described from above to the below, in a downward manner; after reading it, try to trace the same process in the reverse manner. Only when you have experienced it in going downwards and upwards in a perpetual motion can you grasp the process. The Grail message does not give in a platter of gold. It demands movement from its readers.

However, I’m very happy for you. You questions show that you are not static spiritually. Keep on moving! No amount of motion is too much. The more you move, the more you will be able to put the Grail Message in motion, and consequently the more it will reveal to you.

I hope I have exhaustively answered this question, concerning Imanuel’s body being able to exist in the Divine sphere. If not please point out the parts that are not clear.



This is a very interesting question which I’m obliged to answer exhaustively. By the time Imanuel incarnated into creation, Lucifer already felt that mankind belonged to him(Lucifer) not God!

And to a certain extent, the majority of mankind belonged more to Lucifer than to God. Hence when some churches or mystic societies say that it was Lucifer who created mankind, they are not altogether misguided. And I will explain this.

Only the spirit germs, as they are or meant to be, can be traced to God, although indirectly; or better said, the spirit germs can be traced directly to the Kingdom of God. As all in the kingdom of God are pure, the spirit germs, despite not being strong enough to consciously partake of the life there, are pure. The spirit germs, or spirit seeds, like all seeds possess the ability of growing into full-fledged human spirit, which poses a fully conscious personality. This they can only achieve if the follow the blue print provided by the Will of God.
Hence imagine the human spirits are raw metals. One can use raw metal and build cars, after putting it through many processes. If one builds such a car based on the blue print provided by Ford, the individual may end up building a car identical to ford cars, provided he followed and met all the specifications provided by Ford motors. Such cars can be indirectly traced to Ford motors based on the blue print that guided its building. And car companies do that sometimes; sometimes Ford motors can buy another car company and give them their blue print, and every car built from that blue print is a Ford car. However, if such a company disregards the Ford blue print or specification and use the blue print from BMW to build a car, the car built will be a BMV and not Ford! Ford will sue such a company if they place Ford logo on such a car built from a BMW blueprint. It will be very misguided to call all such cars Ford cars.
The same is applicable to mankind. Majority of mankind built their personality from the blueprint of Lucifer, and such humans are not children of God. Therefore it is very wrong to consider all mankind children of God. Such human beings are Lucifer’s works! Hence when the coming of Imanuel vibrated across creation, Lucifer knew the implication of this! The entrance of Imanuel into subsequent creation will surely lead to the destruction of all that does not correspond to the Will of God, i.e. destruction of all Lucifer’s children.

Even though love has dried up in Lucifer, or even though he does not love these men that developed through his wrong will, he still felt a certain entitlement to them. They are his works, no artist likes seeing his works destroyed! And this mankind is also his field of activity! Or through mankind, subsequent creation became his field of activity! A being like Lucifer cannot be inactive for he is eternal, he has eternal life. And where there is life there is activity. Life and activity or movement are inseparable, they are one. Hence the worst punishment for Lucifer is destroying his field of activity. This will put him in an inactive state; and this is what he fought against.

The binding of Lucifer by the Parsifal, described in the Revelation of John is only but for a while. For this is an act of God and like all acts of God, it carries love and justice as an intrinsic part of it. Justice would not bind Lucifer eternally because of wrong development of subsequent creation. Even though Lucifer contributed to this wrong development, it was mankind in their spiritual indolence that made subsequent creation the field of activity of Lucifer. The angels in the Kingdom of God drove Lucifer’s volition out of this Kingdom themselves. Hence it is mankind who must render Lucifer powerless in subsequent creation. To help them do this, God through Imanuel gives mankind the millennium! A thousand spiritual years of mankind learning to swing in the Laws of God! During this Millennium, Lucifer is bound by Parsifal, so that mankind can learn from the volition of the son of man without the disturbing and hindering influence of Lucifer. This volition comes to us in the form of the Grail message! This one thousand years is enough for mankind to retrace their steps and become what God expected them to be when He allowed them to descend into matter. After these one thousand years, Lucifer would be released from the chains that Parsifal bound him with. But then if mankind had learned their lesson, Lucifer would become powerless in subsequent creation as he is above subsequent creation. And this is the eternal binding of Lucifer which he dreaded. Hence he fought to keep men spiritually indolent because only through them does his activity flourish.

After this purification of subsequent creation, or after the millennium, Lucifer would be released by God. But then Lucifer would be left with two choices, either to remain in an inactive state which would be almost impossible and terribly painful to him, or to discard his wrong principle and seek to stand in the will of God once more.

I don’t know if you can perceive the Love and Justice in the working of God. Love and Justice for both mankind and Lucifer.

There is no standstill in creation, much less above it. On wrong principle leads to another and soon a catastrophic state of evil arises. This is what happened with Lucifer. At first he introduced the principle of temptation to filter the weak from the strong; gradually through this wrong principle he sank. To the extent that when he realized that this principle was wrong, he could no longer pull himself out of the maze he created through it. At this point he became evil; for now he knew full well that his principle is wrong. Knowing that a principle is wrong and not letting it go is evil. Hence over time Lucifer became evil.

It wasn’t only mankind that got trapped in the wrong principle of temptation, but Lucifer himself! I will give an example. He tempted men to worship him and not God, through this he will separate the weak from the strong, for a strong spirit will direct his worship only to God. Prompted by this temptation, the weak ones let go of themselves and worshiped Lucifer. But it didn’t end there. Over time of these spirits directing their worship to him, Lucifer began to enjoy it and indulge in it! The trapper got trapped! It was this that quickened his fall, and made him too heavy that when it became clear to him that this principle was wrong, he could no longer detach himself from the maze it created.

I wish I had time to tell you more. How this worship of Lucifer changed the History of Egyptian civilization. For the sun god “Ra” that some Egyptians worshiped was a volition of Lucifer. Most civilizations that worshiped the sun, worshipped Lucifer indirectly and without knowing it. For after his failure, when his wings stunted and fell off him, he hung them on our sun. The clairvoyant among the ancient saw it and feeling its power, they fell on their knees and worshiped it. It is a terrible sign of spiritual indolence that the most populous Christian church on earth today adopted the monstrance and bow before it. The monstrance was developed by the ancient in their worship of the sun, their worship of Lucifer. It is not without significance that the Grail message condemned the homage paid to the monstrance.




Thank you too. I’m sorry that this reply came this late. I kept postponing it; but today being my last day before travelling, I felt urged to make out time and answer you. I will be travelling to Nigeria in a few hours from now, and I will spend one month in Nigeria where I will be too busy to use the internet. So any question you ask now might be answered after January next year.

As you have given me so much through your questions; I will share my joy with you: A few months ago I was awakened to the realization of an old friend of mine. An individual I have worked with in many past earth lives. And this December, our paths are going to cross again! An opportunity for us to make up where we failed in our previous lives. This individual will most likely consider this meeting, which will happen in Nigeria this December, to be the first time we are meeting; not suspecting we have known each other for many earth lives. But I hope that in time, our past history will be made available to this individual too.
An old circle is about to close for a new one to begin! I’m filled with joy, as much as I’m filled with prayer for strength not to fail again. Share my joy and pray for me, if it touches from your spirit.


Thanks and remain blessed.

The answer lies in the remarks that followed that....those who have no money will otherwise be exempted from giving. An advice, a suggestion, physical help, consideration, kindness, empathy, goodwishes, goodwill, skill teaching all these and more can be given according to the individuals ability and the needs of the other person. The important thing is the desire to help another and your effort to actualise this desire with the resources available to you. This can be done with or without money.

justcool: Speer
Thanks for this question!

In-order to understand what that statement means we need to understand what ‘yourself, your being, or your nature’ means. “Yourself” is the real you. And you are a spirit; or a spirit germ in the process of development. Hence, to give to your neighbor "your being, your nature,” means nothing other than to give your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit.

It is another way of saying “love your neighbor as yourself”; the human spirit being part bearer of the will of God stands in the love of God because the will of God and love are inseparable. Hence all that emanates from the core of the spirit can never be lacking in love! Hence when you give your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit, or when your spiritual intuition guides your dealings with your fellow human beings, you are simply loving them (your neighbor) or giving them love.

It is also another way of saying “spiritualize the work of your hands.” I.e. let all your works (all you do or all that emanate from you – thoughts, words, and deeds) be guided by your spiritual intuition. Or employ your spirit (spiritual intuition) in all that you do.
We have dealt with many examples of how people form works that do not emanate from their spirit. Such works are like chaffs which easily vanish, they have no long lasting effect in creation, since the most important factor is lacking. And this factor, which lends our works power to impact creation in a profound way, is the spiritual intuition which carries the ability to tap into the neutral Principal power of God that streams through creation.

And henceforth, consider all your works (thoughts, word, and visible action) as gifts that your give your neighbor. Because they affect your neighbor even if you think you are doing it in the privacy of your home. All that you do, even your smallest thought affects your neighbor. And “your neighbor” means nothing other than your fellow creature, not necessarily the person that lives next to you physically. Hence an evil thought harbored by an American in America can be picked up by a Nigerian in Nigeria, and may be acted out through this Nigerian despite the fact that he had never met the American physically. These two men, despite living worlds apart physically, are homogenous in their thinking. In view of this homogenous connection, they are neighbors!

And like people say, “what comes from the heart goes to the heart!” Only a gift from the heart, a gift born out of pure intuitive perception, benefits the spirit of both the recipient and the giver. Only that which emanates from your spirit is decisive for the nature of the spiritual reciprocal action that must follow. Be it just a joyous thought to your neighbor, a simple heartfelt smile, or a simple "hello" said to a neighbor; as long as it is permeated by pure intuitive perception, it will bring very ennobling reciprocal effect to the one its directed to. It will even go further than that, it will in its reciprocal effect, ennoble or reward the giver too. The same way as an impure intuitive perception or impure thought can soil the person it is directed to; and will also, in its reciprocal effect, definitely soil the producer, as long as he inwardly remains in a state homogenous to that impure thought. Hence, it is written, “It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.". “That words which come out of your mouth” in this context refers to that which emanates from your spirit or soul; it will definetly return to you, either to ennoble you or soil you, depending on thier nature. A material gift given merely out of habit or custom remains a material gift; it can only benefit the recipient materially or physically but adds nothing towards his spiritual ascent.

I will add one more picture to the many pictures I painted in an earlier post in regard to the statement, “spiritualize the works of your hand.”

A child’s birthday arrives! His rich parents, uncles and brothers, spend lots of money and buy this child’s expensive toys. However, to them, they are just following the tradition of giving gifts on birthdays; perhaps some of their gifts are born out their desire to show how generous they are. And sometimes these gift-giving ceremonies are not but an arena for people to show how much they have, or to buy the child’s love and respect. Hence a competition for the child’s love. Even parents sometimes indulge in this base competition!
However the maid, who could not afford a gift, on that day, was filled with joy and gratitude to the Almighty for sending this child into the world; this joy streamed from her hearts of hearts, from her spirit. And this joy is an intuitive perception, it is a spiritual work, and its reciprocal effect will greatly uplift both her and this child. The child will share on the blessing that this joy will bring in its reciprocal effect because it was the child that gave the maid the impetus to this joy albeit unknowingly.
In this we see that both this child and maid have given to each other far more the rich relatives of the child gave the child.
In this picture we also notice that having no means (material goods or money) does not exclude one from being able to give! The maid had no money(material means) to buy physical gifts for the child but she gave a more profound gift to the child. She gave that which emanated from her spirit; she gave her being!

In this giving to your neighbor that which emanates from your spirit, without any intellectual scheming for reward, respect, acclaim or glory, lies giving oneself, yourself, or your nature. It is love in its purest form. In this too, Jesus clearly showed us the path to this selfless giving when He said, "become like little children." Observe children you will see that they give themselves with their every action, word, and thought; until we adults in our delusion of wisdom rob them(the children) of this gift by teaching them to be cunning. Children always speak their minds; they lack the deceitful cunningness we adults glorify as diplomacy.

I can go on and on and paint many pictures, but I hope you got the picture.

The entire Grail Message can be summarized with the simple words, “Love thy neighbor as thy self!”
The bottom line of every chapter of the Grail Message is LOVE. With this, I hand you the key that can unlocks every mystery in the Grail Message and the entire creation; and this key is LOVE. Just as it is pictorially rendered in the Revelation of John, that nobody in the entire creation and even above it could open the book with seven seals except the Lamb of God. The “Lamb of God,” in this context refers to JESUS, hence LOVE. The Grail message, as well as Creation, will remain a book sealed with seven seals to any creature (no matter how big or small) unless he approaches it with Love in his heart. This statement alone answers your question about how a Divine being like Lucifer could introduce a principle that does not accord to the will of God. But I will return to that later. That question, as well as the one concerning how Imanuel’s spiritual body can withstand the pressure of the Divine plane, is a very interesting question, which I’m obliged to make out time and answer exhaustively.

But let’s return to the issue at hand, (giving your neighbor "with your being, your nature!). To understand this statement and any statement in the Grail message always seek the answer in the proximity to the Love. Apply the same principle to your life and in solving the alleged mysteries of creation, for the Grail Message and Creation are inseparably one! One who reads (experiences) creation reads (experiences) the Grail message; and one who reads (experiences) the Grail Message reads (experiences) creation,
Thanks and remain blessed.

emofine: . . .may I ask what type of belief are you referring to? is it believing in the existence of God or a God?. . .because if they believe in a God then that must match a God of a particular religion.
If someone believes in the existence alone how do they build their faith? or is believing in a Creator/Higher Being enough to qualify as faith?

Yes to your last question. You apparently think that there are numerous Gods but there is only one and no religion can hold patent rights over Him. He is the Creator of all and He is without religion. Religion is merely an effort to commercialise the knowledge of the Creator by claiming patent rights and blackmailing anyone who refuses to go through the particular religion and its selfish prescriptions. In the process, religion has become for man, an obstacle to his Creator. This is why Christ could not associate with the Jewish religion and their Pharisees wand priests. This is why the priests plotted his murder because Christ was spoiling their religious business. This is why Christ threw out the money changers at the temple and this is why Christ did not teach or bring a religion. This is also why after Christ's departure, men quickly turned Christ's teachings into a money making religion and forced people to accept it. This is why religion is the biggest business in Nigeria today.

Pastor AIO: @Akin101,
Alas I don't exchange private emails with people on Nairaland as a matter of policy. I've only flouted this law once before because I found the prospect of listening to a series of lectures on St. Paul much too enticing.

However, in the spirit of mutual learning and exchange I would suggest that you air your questions here on the forum so that we can all learn from perusing the matter. If it is of a personal nature at least you know that no one here knows you in real life so your anonymity is safe.


@All, I thought that Idinrete and/or Annyplenty would have contributions to make on Iwori meji. Or maybe some people have some thoughts on it. I guess people aren't as interested in the thread as I've been led to believe.

Could you kindly help me with Eji Ogbe, I saw a citation of it by Awo Falokun where he spoke of happiness.

Pastor AIO: I don't think that they are entirely accurate as one single corpus.  For instance I seen verses that have been attributed to one Odu in a book but attributed to another odu in another book. 

Also I think that the odus in the eastern parts of Yoruba land are slightly different from those in the west.  Like Oyo have their own vibe and the Owo/Benin people have their own vibe and the Ijebus have their own vibe going.  A lot of the differences are just dialect though. 

Also there are many verses that are kept secret because their utterance is believed to be very powerful.  Most of the verses we get in books are the common ones that even the Ogberis (uninitiates) that only know about yoruba culture are familiar with.  There are verses that are only kept within a family because they have incantational powers. 

I'm very interested in the process of how these verses are arrived at because I know for certain that some of those verses were created about 2 or 3 hundred years ago rather than by orunmila.  For instance the verses that mention Guns, or the verses that mention oyinbos.   There are even verses that mention Jesus.  I'm very fascinated by the Mythogenesis process by which these verses emerge and how they get to be accepted by the whole community.

Please could you recite some of d verses that spoke of Jesus?

[quote author=Negro_Ntns]Here is a lecture note. I thought I'd share this.

The lecturer is applying the Odus to explain universal concept of quantum physics but in his illustrations with the wheel, he ended up with a triangle or pyramid.

His triangle is actually a helix - the motion track of a spiral as it transits through space. Compare it with Awo Fatunmbi's "it creates the symbol of the pyramid based on the mathematical angles that create the golden mean which is represented by the Ifa symbol of the snail."

The outline of a snail's shell when viewed laterally is a triangle/pyramid, but from above it is a spiral curve and when the line is traced you will end with a helix.

Go here for more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral. Read the sub-section on symbols. Look at the attached image also.

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LECTURE NOTE

The Ogunda, Oyeku etc are Ifa names for Goals, at the very level of creation of the universe, an earlier post explains the names, hidden in with another dicussion, I extract them here,

The top item at the Level of Four can be conceptually viewed as
"Mathematicals": infinity/zero (ogbe/oyeku), compiling/decompiling
(oshe/ofun). Academically inclined people would never get past the
conceptual view of them unfortunately. They are much more than concepts.
Viewed non-conceptually, they are the "tools of reality" we are
observably using to manipulate reality at every moment. (I am conscious in
nearly every moment of using them and I am swimming in a sea of their
functions.)

These four olodus form a wheel of change (which implies two triangles, )
with a definite direction of natural motion around the wheel. They are like
this:

ofun
ogbe oyeku
oshe

With a clockwise direction of natural motion.

Ofun is a span of change, a decompiling of reality using progressively
stronger tools of taking apart starting at ogbe and ending at oyeku:
subtraction, division, and roots.

Oshe is also a span of change (in opposite direction from Ofun), a compiling
of reality using progressively stronger tools of putting together starting
at oyeku and ending at ogbe:
addition, multiplication, and exponents.

Ogbe/oyeku is a polarity of absolutes.
Oshe/ofun is a polarity of relative interactions, working in opposing
directions.

All four items of ogbe-ofun-oyeku-oshe are one function which splits into a
polarity, each of which splits again. So depending on which level you are
viewing, they can be a polarity or not.

Another wheel of four items. The absolutes are iwori (infinite space) and
odi (a singularity). The relatives are irosun (energy in various stages of
motion) and owonrin (energy fields with definite borders or edges). One
datum presenting itself from this is that any enclosed space (not infinite)
is an energy field. Since any field is a contracted space, then the universe
is not one space, but a multitude of interpenetrating spaces.


AN ENERGY FIELD IS CONTRACTED SPACE.

MOTION ENERGY IS EXPANDING SPACE.

MASS IS SPACE FULLY CONTRACTED.

Each item of a wheel is one thing in four conditions: two absolute
conditions and two relative ones.

Here's the wheel of UNIVERSES:

owonrin
iwori odi
irosun

Again a clockwise motion. The top of the circle through owonrin is
contraction and the bottom of the circle through irosun is expansion.

Forget anchor points at this level. Defining space in terms of anchor points
was one of Hubbard's many mistakes. There are no anchor points, and no
non-anchored points, in the level of UNIVERSES. Only Beings use anchors.
Only Beings worry about anchors. Anchors are in the next wheel,


The wheel of AWARENESSES:

ogunda
obara okanran
osa

Again, clockwise natural motion. The absolutes are obara and okanran. I had
the direction backward when I first posted it, so anyone who saved it please
correct the diagram. (This wheel is where I personally have the most case,
and is the most difficult for me to perceive.)

A person in space-time consists of ALL FOUR of these items:
1. an unknowable inner self = obara
2. certainty of inner knowing = okanran
3. an unlocatable viewpoint which cannot ever truely be pinned in one place
= osa
4. anchor points (including those used as viewpoints, which is a polarized
case condition) = ogunda

NEXT:
Because I know you will ask about it, here's the wheel of LIFE:

otura
oturupon ika
irete
Clockwise motion, the absolutes are oturupon and ika.


STUDENT:

uh, huh?
what is the purpose of the wheels?


LECTURER:

to flow form one state to another

think of yer Magik 101.

Earth, Water, Fire, Air, flowing from one to another,


STUDENT:

maybe you should draw me a picture.
in color.


LECTURER:

OK, let's take the first wheel

wheel of change

ofun
ogbe oyeku
oshe

Oshe/Ofun is the polarity of the concept COMPILATION! (to make something up or take it apart)

Ogbe/Oyeku is the polarity of the concept MANIFESTATION! (to Manifest or unmanifest!)

so. let's start at Ogbe. Existing as matter, or existing as SOUL! or Yang,

Ogbe goes through Ofun to Read Oyeku

Ofun is the concept of LIES!and TRUTH! to essentially take matter apart into Spirit (or Yin, or Oyeku)

Oyeku (SPIRIT) goes through Oshe to get to Ogbe

Oyeku is the concept of Sticking things together or Destroying them,

So; Spirit (YOU!) sticks concepts together or decompiles them to create new concepts. This is at the level above this unverse, but also in this universe in yer own *mind*

So; Soul/Matter (YOU!) takes Soul/Matter and creates lies or truths about it to take it onto a spiritual realm,

Actually, yah, this is happening in yer "home Universe" from which Unmanifest Potential Becomes Matter and or Spirit,

so, above the concepts of "Universes' is the mechanism of change. Spirit Into Matter

Here's the wheel of UNIVERSES:

owonrin
iwori odi
irosun
Again a clockwise motion.

These act as the field of play which is the universe itself (from which the first Circle of CREATION acts on)

Iwori/Odi is the polarity of the concept of SPACE!
Owonrin/Irosun is the polarity of the concept of ENERGIES!

Iwori is further the concept of both infinite space AND Collapsed space (a point)

Odi is the polarized concept of both a vacuum and infinte solidity.

Iwori (SPACE) is permeated with Owonrin (Fields)

Odi (DENSE!) is expanded via Irosun (ENERGY FLOW OR expansion!)


SO: infinite space filled with energy. As the Flow "Stop" they become "matter" or Dense. Expanding, Dense "matter" (not the same Matter idea as the above circle) becomes Vacuum which is infinite space

Imagine it as a dance from one part of the circle to the next,


STUDENT:

i drew them out and filled in the layman's terms and it makes a little more sense to me.

but if owonrin = energy then what is irosun? i mean,if you take energy and put it into a vaccum or solidify it what do you get?

the wheel i drew was this
energy flow
infinite/collapsed space vaccum/solidity



LECTURER:

energy field

think of light. It is a particle (a flow) AND a field (waveform)

actually, Owonrin is the field, and Irosun is energy flow

so Field goes on top, flow goes on bottom,

ever read a book about physics and Toaism called "The Dancing Wu LI Masters"? It talks about how particles pop in and out of creation in a vacuum, and how they can actually travel as "anti-particles" backwards in conceptual time,

but yah, that's for later probably


STUDENT:

*blink*



LECTURER:

You got the idea

Space (expansive) versus Density (a point of nothing)

Fields (static Forces) versus Flow ( particles moving)


STUDENT:

ah-HA!

k.

it was the static vs. moving that i was still missing


LECTURER:

good! you have it,

now explain the last circle to me, The one of Awareness


STUDENT:

i didn't know there was gonna be a quiz!!!


LECTURER:

try it!

use the list i posted up above last post and compare it to the cirlce in this post.

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Remember what he said, "Academically inclined people would never get past the conceptual view of them unfortunately. They are much more than concepts." It needs intuitive understanding but logical application.[/quote]Kindly send me the email u promised Pastor AIO. and who is this lecturer, where is he
?

Barkay: I do not bother myself about negative comment on my religion anymore neither do I condemn other religions. Whoever talked of Ifa not being on the same level with other religions might be right to some extent. This is because we've not been able to take it further than what it was originally known to be. However, this does not take the importance and pureness away from this true way of life.

Rather than defend what is widely held about Ifa, though erroneously, majorly fellow Believers; we should look towards making Ifa easily accessible to all and sundry. That is a first timer to an online Ifa site should be able to know his path in life with or without an Oluwo or Ifa Priest to guide him.

This is achievable and I hope the challenge should be in this direction. Let us visualise the Ile'dus (Odu) as a single computer byte. We have 16 of them from Eji Ogbe to Ofu Meji, and eventually the 256 leading through Ogbe'yeku to Ofu'se. I am looking at a situation where we take it further than the 256 with combination of the main 16 Ile'dus with the 240 Sub-Ile'dus. We will arrive at a massive 3,840 Ile'dus which will definitely address the different traits and characters exhibited by human beings today. My comparison of the Ifa Ile'dus with bytes in computer is for ease of identification. We simply store a single Ile'du with all its attributes and related characteristics as a file on cumputer. Anybody with divination relating to for example Ika'gbemi (Ika-Ogbe) will just access Ika'gbemi's file on computer and read out the contents and warnings where he may likely find rhythm like

Ika gbemi n o j'oba,
Ika ogbemi n o j'oba,
Ogbemi ko gbemi,
N o j'oba ilu bamti bamti
D'ifa fun Onikola
Asa won logbe gbowo,
E e da le ki e ma lo,
Bi Alagbede ba pa owo a daale
E e da le ki e ma lo,
Atewe atagba e ba ni laja se ogun
Ajasegun lawa wa.

Guys lets do this thing.

Interesting. please what exactly did Eji Ogbe say? I have read different online accounts. Did Eji Ogbe speak of happiness? what did it say?

Barkay: I do not bother myself about negative comment on my religion anymore neither do I condemn other religions. Whoever talked of Ifa not being on the same level with other religions might be right to some extent. This is because we've not been able to take it further than what it was originally known to be. However, this does not take the importance and pureness away from this true way of life.

Rather than defend what is widely held about Ifa, though erroneously, majorly fellow Believers; we should look towards making Ifa easily accessible to all and sundry. That is a first timer to an online Ifa site should be able to know his path in life with or without an Oluwo or Ifa Priest to guide him.

This is achievable and I hope the challenge should be in this direction. Let us visualise the Ile'dus (Odu) as a single computer byte. We have 16 of them from Eji Ogbe to Ofu Meji, and eventually the 256 leading through Ogbe'yeku to Ofu'se. I am looking at a situation where we take it further than the 256 with combination of the main 16 Ile'dus with the 240 Sub-Ile'dus. We will arrive at a massive 3,840 Ile'dus which will definitely address the different traits and characters exhibited by human beings today. My comparison of the Ifa Ile'dus with bytes in computer is for ease of identification. We simply store a single Ile'du with all its attributes and related characteristics as a file on cumputer. Anybody with divination relating to for example Ika'gbemi (Ika-Ogbe) will just access Ika'gbemi's file on computer and read out the contents and warnings where he may likely find rhythm like

Ika gbemi n o j'oba,
Ika ogbemi n o j'oba,
Ogbemi ko gbemi,
N o j'oba ilu bamti bamti
D'ifa fun Onikola
Asa won logbe gbowo,
E e da le ki e ma lo,
Bi Alagbede ba pa owo a daale
E e da le ki e ma lo,
Atewe atagba e ba ni laja se ogun
Ajasegun lawa wa.

Guys lets do this thing.

Interesting. p

Barkay: I do not bother myself about negative comment on my religion anymore neither do I condemn other religions. Whoever talked of Ifa not being on the same level with other religions might be right to some extent. This is because we've not been able to take it further than what it was originally known to be. However, this does not take the importance and pureness away from this true way of life.

Rather than defend what is widely held about Ifa, though erroneously, majorly fellow Believers; we should look towards making Ifa easily accessible to all and sundry. That is a first timer to an online Ifa site should be able to know his path in life with or without an Oluwo or Ifa Priest to guide him.

This is achievable and I hope the challenge should be in this direction. Let us visualise the Ile'dus (Odu) as a single computer byte. We have 16 of them from Eji Ogbe to Ofu Meji, and eventually the 256 leading through Ogbe'yeku to Ofu'se. I am looking at a situation where we take it further than the 256 with combination of the main 16 Ile'dus with the 240 Sub-Ile'dus. We will arrive at a massive 3,840 Ile'dus which will definitely address the different traits and characters exhibited by human beings today. My comparison of the Ifa Ile'dus with bytes in computer is for ease of identification. We simply store a single Ile'du with all its attributes and related characteristics as a file on cumputer. Anybody with divination relating to for example Ika'gbemi (Ika-Ogbe) will just access Ika'gbemi's file on computer and read out the contents and warnings where he may likely find rhythm like

Ika gbemi n o j'oba,
Ika ogbemi n o j'oba,
Ogbemi ko gbemi,
N o j'oba ilu bamti bamti
D'ifa fun Onikola
Asa won logbe gbowo,
E e da le ki e ma lo,
Bi Alagbede ba pa owo a daale
E e da le ki e ma lo,
Atewe atagba e ba ni laja se ogun
Ajasegun lawa wa.

Guys lets do this thing.

Interesting. p

[quote author=n-guage]I dont love to comment about religion, but once in a while I think
1. Jesus probably never died for the black man
2. The whiteman that introduceed us to christianity is not as religious

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Conclusion

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Why am I wasting my time?[/quote]Jesus never died for anybody. Jesus was not recognised and accepted by the people so they murdered him as a troublesome Truth-bringer, preferring to have a robber freed. No one needs to be religious everyone ought to be natural and thus, spiritual since man is at his core, spirit.......man needs spiritual enlightenement, not religion.

[quote author=emöfine2]The thing that I truly cannot comprehend is that the spiritual destination of the so called righteous of the world's major religions is teeming with materialism...

These spiritual abodes are just like a material world embelished with extraordinary beauty, containing extraterrestrial characters and of course the absence of pain.

Unless spirituality is exactly that - pure happiness (although I question if every individual can be truly happy in a perpetual servitude role in relation to a divine authority) and peace and if it is exactly that couldn't such be achieved here on earth?...Well of course not because in our mortal existence there would always be pain attached to a loss...spirituality (at least in the major religions) is similar to "Neverland"...you don't age, you don't die you don't lack...it is thus a perfect existence for many...and many will want to aim for such...and so it does make sense that people will want to live in a perfect reality but to spark ones interest via the materialsitc nature whilst at the same time encouraged to debase that nature does not at all make sense to me because it appears slightly contradictory...

But I do wonder in regards to the major faiths....in order to arouse or appeal to ones spiritual senses is ones materialistic nature first coaxed?

Is materialism and spirituality compatible?


Albeit I think if you have love for your fellow man, appreciate nature, the universe and all that surrounds (and that includes science) and our role in it and not debasing other inhabitants regarding them as lesser creatures such as animals or even the plants and those of a different sex...take one's ego aside and humble your self...maintaining a healthy lifestyle...sustain a conscious connection to the source of life or at least search for that source of life...aim to discover truths for oneself...engage your mind...and express that in non-harmful or superior ways....not having a great fancy for much that is materialitic but of course catering to ones own needs and still very much open-minded but not in the manner of "anything goes"....seeking to learn from others and not only teach at the same time being very much realistic about life and continually evolving with it....that in itself may add a greater volume not only to the one that exhibits all this but to our environment...but not everybody is compatible with such a kind of life..a transcendent sort of lifestyle...so it may become far-reaching for the greater population and thus a dream...and dreams never realized don't exist in the material world..or beyond the mind...

But I do not envision winged characters or gold streets to be a reflection of anything spiritual not even remotely if so I'm sure just the corridors alone of Elton Johns mansion will reflect a preview of that sort of existence that is considered "spiritual"...

A spiritual life may be rewarding for the one who genuinely exercises it but I don't regard spirtuality as a reward in itself.[/quote]Brilliant submission bro. You clearly are a deep, independent thinker. You have made valid observations and raised relevant questions.
It is true that many modern preachers simply try to appease to greedy men, promising them everything they can ever dream of in a destination they are not sure to reach. So we have religious people who get promised 70 virgins for sex in a so-called paradise on one hand and all the possible riches and lack of work on the other.
However, the Truth is that man is himself a non-physical being (spirit) that has come to live temporarily on this physical earth in a physical, biological body and should one day return to his original home,in the spiritual realm which is just a part of the vast non- physical world( the beyond). The physical/material is in many regards a reflection of the spiritual which serves as the prototype. The physical is however a much less noble form of the spiritual and one of our responsibilities on earth is to collaborate with nature in developing this earth into a much more representative replica of paradise. This is the wish expressed in the prayer "thy(the Creator`s) Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven" Man however shies away from this responsibility and calling, preferring to wreck the earth and expecting to return to paradise for eternal rest and reward. In the beyond, there are many non-physical realms where each spirit (man) may find himself after leaving his physical body in a process known on earth as death. Each man will find himself in a realm that corresponds to his or her activities while on earth. Here he will find what you may call reward or punishment as the case may be. Thus if man on earth lives a good beautiful life, hell will cease to exist, so will ghettos disappear and nightmares will be replaced by sweet dreams. There will be beautiful paradisical planes only, both on earth and in the beyond. Some people have seen some of the realms in the beyond in near death experiences and have called beautiful realms heaven and the ugly realms hell. Hell is a creature of man`s evil activities. These are realms that man prepared for himself through his activities here on earth. Even you can already see glimpses of this in your dreams, when you sleep at night. Like the Yoruba say, sleep is the younger brother of death. These are eternal Spiritual Truths that religion tries to adapt and deploy for commercial purposes.

Deep Sight: Too late son. You ARE a spirit already.



Regrettably true. Whenever I ask my siblings this or that question about the judeo-christian myths they simply respond: "Its spiritual". I think that is a serious mis-use of the word.



The core essence of what we are: the seed non-physical being.



The life of that part of our being that is the seed non physical being - the evolution of that seed into a celestially conscious self - a mirror of God



What else would make sense? Bare rocks and atoms?

Bare rocks and atoms do make sense too

Pastor AIO: I never said that Justcool and I had the same position. I said that I felt that I was coming closer to his position.

When you say 'developed' then that suggests a process that requires time. However I am not talking about cultural history as a linear phenomenon but rather as a cyclical phenomenon.

A process that requires time doesnot mean that the older is better, the younger may well be especially when you are looking at it as a "cyclical phenomenon"

beedaymeee: Am really glad i stumbled on dis forum about grailland... My fiance is a cross bearer and one thing am not happy with is the fact that whenever i invite him to church he says his NO firmly... So am asking dis question , if really u guys are known to be seekers of the truth why do u pple av a problem in seeking d truth in a church... I don't mind going to a mosque , Jehovah's witness assembly or grailland to learn as far as i keep my believe in God and God alone... If u pple don't av a problem with telling pple to read the grail message then peepz asking u to read d bible or come to church shouldn't be a problem... And again i'll like to go to their temple at IJU or go for their teaching to know for myself if it's a cult group (which i don't believe is by the way) or if they really teach d truth... but i don't know ow to go about it to become a seeker... i cant ask my fiance for some reasons so pls i await ur response

@Bidemi. I`m glad that you are glad to find this and gladly, I wish to inform you that one who has found the Grail Message and discovered it`s value knows that he has found that which he seeks. If he needs to understand anything further about life and human existence, he will find guidance In the Light of Truth. If he follows you to Church, even you know that he will only be doing so to please you. If he wishes to know more about the history and life of the Jews, he can read the bible in his room. All he can learn from the pastor is the church culture which he doesnt really need. As far as knowledge of life and existence is concerned, it is the pastor who has to listen to your fiancee in other to learn. Even you know this in your heart of hearts. If your fiancée has a Christian background like I do, then you also know that he understands the bible better than your pastor so why do you need to take him through the trouble of listening to your pastor just to please you? and of course you know your pastors attitude to a person like your fiancee. why do you need to expose the gentleman to uneccessary embarrassment from another man who without knowing any better will take a stance of God-sent authority over your fiancee who then will have to try to be polite.......to be a seeker is not an aspiration. A seeker is a person who seeks something. In this case, the individual seeks knowledge of life and existence. If you seek you are a seeker, it is not a matter of aspiring to be or asking how to be a seeker. If you are not satisfied with your church teachings on life and existence and you seek to know more, the Grail Message is a book that offers you knowledge on life and existence, answering all questions on this subject. Your fiancee reads it, you can read it too. It is available in bookshops, libraries even on the internet as well as in your fiancees room. That "you can`t ask your fiancee" sounds strange so strange that I didnt want to send in a reply, but it seems you really are in earnest. Let me conclude that I think you should please ask him. He is in the best position to advise and to guide you but if you inwardly wish to keep your quest away from him, all good just go on and read the book, you will thereby merely be postponing the day when your fiancee will be glad to find out that you are so interested in the most important work he knows.

justcool: I found this article in the Politics forum, and I decided to past it here since it concerns religions.


http://www.africawithin.com/chinweizu/trouble_with_africa.htm

Please take everything you read above with a pinch of salt; there is no way I can confirm its validity.

And even if it is valid, I do not wish to point an accusing finger at Christians, Christianity and etc; neither do I intend to prove that all Christian missionaries were tricksters. There may have been some Christian missionaries who had better intentions than those addressed to above. And not only among Christian missionaries were there fraudsters; there are fraudsters in all walks of life and in all religions. So please Muslims, don’t see this thread as an excuse to point fingers at Christian missionaries; some Jihadists may have been fraudsters too.

And neither does the above prove that there is no God, nor does it prove that the idea of spirituality is based on fraudulency. The above has nothing to do with God or spirituality.

This is intended to be a food for thought, especially for we black people.

Do you possibly have any Idea why the quoted site, www.africawithin.com has been suspended?

enitan2002: time machine in your dreams, there're simply some things that are not possible

"Dreams" is just the answer. Dreams, visions, and transmissions of both past and future events are the real time machines. Two thousand years ago, someone entered one such machine and he was told to "write", hence we have the book of Revelations today, the only book in the Bible that was entirely transmitted which is why as was admonished at the end of Revelations, no one should add or remove from the book of Revelations.

I just stumbled on this thread and after spending hours reading,all I have to say is that I hope by now, Deepsight has managed to read the entire Grail Message, sequentially from the first to the last lecture. Also, I`m amazed at Just cool`s ability to keep up with such detailed responses not only considering how much energy he must have dispensed but also considering that all the answers lie in the Grail Message which is available to every enquirer. Cheers all.

justcool: Deepsight!!!!!
I love you men! You ask good questions, I like the way you think. Now follow me carefully and I will answer your questions.




Ha Ha Ha! I separated my post into two; the first one with everything, and the second one dealing with only the physical realm. Please don't confuse the two. What I stated about mass and energy is from my knowledge of science which deals only with the physical. You cannot directly apply physical laws to God who is far far far above the physical realm. Although the physical laws are a manifestation of Gods laws; the laws adapt the nature of the specie concerned. The way a particular law manifests in the physical world is not necessarily the way it does in the spiritritual realm. In order not make a long post I whish I can stop here but if this doesn't answer your question I will go further.

But let me give an example. There is law that manifests in the physical ream. This law states that everything that exist must go through the four processes of (1)birth, (2)ripeness, (3)over-ripeness and (4)decay. We can observe this law in everything physical, thus in the physical only the components parts are eternal, and continually go through the four stages that I described above. Even the whole physcal universe go through these stages as science has confirmed. Even planets, stars, our physical bodies and etc go through these stages.
But can one say that since God exist, He also goes through these four stages. No! Or can one say that the spiritual go through these four stages? No! With the Spiritual, it is a different species altogether.

Another example might suffice. One can say that every healthy and mature body every now and then feels the desire to eat and sometimes to have intimacy. This is a requirement for the sustenance of the healthy body. This is a normal biological need of the physical body; as long as by "body" we mean the physical, this law is correct. But you cannot say that since the spirits in paradise have bodies, they have to eat and have intimacy too. This is wrong for in the spiritual we dealing with a different species, and consequently the law of sustenance of the body manifest differently.

The physical body is a different species from the spiritual; fuelled by a different energy.

But the conclusion that you drew from by statement is not altogether misguided; it only lacks careful attention to detail. Now pay attention to the words in brackets and you will see facts that you missed.

"Does God have energy?(Yes but what type of energy) Certainly. God is the fountain of all energy.

If God has energy(Yes but what type of energy) and energy cannot exist without mass, then God has mass(Yes but What type of mass) - a property of matter( not all mass are physical, if we consider mass substance."
A better conclusion would be: If God has Divine unsubstantial energy, and energy cannot exist without mas, then God has Divine unsubstantial mass-- definitely not a property of matter, but rather a property of Divine unsubstantiality.

You forgot to keep in mind that the energy that physical can absorb is only a gradation of the Neutral Principle power; I explained this at first. Lets call this energy the physical energy. But God uses Divinity unsubstantiate and undiluted Neutral Principle power; and is the source the pure and undiluted Neutral Principle power. Thus lets call God's energy Divine unsubstantial energy; the first degration of it is Divine substantial energy which the Divine beings above creation use.

Thus physical energy cannot exist without physical substance which is called mass by scientists. By the same token Divine energy cannot exist without Divine substance. Therefore you don't expect a Divine being who uses Divine energy to have physical mass

You cannot mix them up my friend.

My perception is that the direct radiation of the spirit cannot be described as energy let alone the Primordial Light-radiations of the Divine. Energy I perceive as much more of a material nature. Energy could be a "matter-cloaked" spiritual radiation, only thus can it have directly visible material effects as we know energy does. The Primordial Light and to a lesser extent, spiritual radiation may be described as "Living Power", again, distinct from the power of matter. To apply here-in the label of energy will be too demeaning.