awesomeJ: Like I said, the evidence cannot be the kind of fact as science would require. This is not science, if you want evidence, it's gonna be an experience. How do you proof someone loves you, it's basically in your experience of their actions towards you.
Perhaps I should start with today's testimonies.
There were about 8 people in all who came out for testimonies in the second service. I will share 3 of them which I think you may be least skeptical about.
1. The first guy was driving in the estate on Mon Jan 29th, and as he drove past the church, he felt an urge within him if to just stop by the church to pray. So he went in, prayed his heart out, and didn't mind whoever else was there with him in the auditorium. Thereafter, he drove straight to the hospital where his wife had been since Sunday Jan 28th due to prolonged labour. About 2 hours after he arrived, the wife delivered safely. This was a young smart-looking guy that you'd ordinarily not consider to be religious. If that was all to the story, it wouldn't have moved much people.
Then he added this: "If you had not seen a terror before, you would wonder why people feared one"...sort of " exactly eight years ago, I got married to my first wife, and exactly 6 years ago, she was ready to deliver our first child, she had this same prolonged labour, and she and the baby were lost to it"
Turned out that was his first time in the Church. How would you convince such a person against Faith in God?
AnonyNymous: And what carries out the observation? Our consciousness. Reality is a function of our awareness Time doesn't "count" without consciousness. If time is defined as the duration of an event, what observed the event and 'felt' the interval between them? Nothing but our consciousness.
This supports the pantheistic idea that everything is just part of one big, collective consciousness. We have the part that does the observing, and the other part that exists because of the observing. Infinity, and Zero.
This is why I said the universe is 'aware'. Its not a dead, detached, body/mass, completely separate from us. It is us. It does what it does when we observe it. It acts in accordance with specific laws of science. It depends on our collective consciousness, to exist. And what does that make us? God.
Conscious as a cause of wave function collapse is merely just an interpretation. There are many other interpretations of the measurement problem.
In summary, the consciousness ish has no scientific basis.
AnonyNymous: I waited for your answer. . .but let me provide mine before I go to bed.
First off, what do we mean by collapse of a function? Let's go back to basic probability. Before an event occurs, there are some possible outcomes, right? But once the time for that event to occur is reached, the function collapses- meaning that one of the options is chosen.
Probability exists in everyday life. There are an infinite number of possibilities that'll happen in the next second. But once we get to that second, the function collapses. It has become NOW. Something has happened.
Now for the double slit experiment. It showed, basically, that matter can actually EXIST in both states at the same time. Its in the NOW, and its still a 'probability'- until it is observed. Once its observed, it has to collapse. It has to choose one. Does it want to be a particle, or a wave?
And what carries out the observation? Our consciousness. Reality is a function of our awareness Time doesn't "count" without consciousness. If time is defined as the duration of an event, what observed the event and 'felt' the interval between them? Nothing but our consciousness.
This supports the pantheistic idea that everything is just part of one big, collective consciousness. We have the part that does the observing, and the other part that exists because of the observing. Infinity, and Zero.
This is why I said the universe is 'aware'. Its not a dead, detached, body/mass, completely separate from us. It is us. It does what it does when we observe it. It acts in accordance with specific laws of science. It depends on our collective consciousness, to exist. And what does that make us? God.
Gebbson007: first of all YOU ARE MAHD cux you gave her the go ahead to satisfy her urge with someone else now you are complaining saying it WS a test. dude you really need to grow up n all. cux I'm very sure you ll do the same if she also try "TESTING" you ... you having another gf is bad enough now ya now presenting your self like a saint guy no vex me oooo
Why do quantum particles exhibit some form of awareness? Why do they behave differently when they are being watched? Why do they act like they know what's going on? The universe isn't "alive" by biological definition, but it is aware.
No bro
The quantum particles aren't aware.
It's just that the devices that do the observation cause the quantum state to collapse
AnonyNymous: I disagree. Deism is the belief in a remote God, completely independent of our universe. Its still a very bold claim- there's absolutely no evidence for the existence of such. There's no logical explanation as to WHY such a God even exists. I only agree with the part that its for former theists religious people (Deism is still a form of theism) who just can't transit into atheists or anything else. They're so used to believing that there's someone out there, but they've started realising the bullshit in their religious books.
Pure agnosticism is more of a middle ground between theism and atheism to me. You know, "I have no idea what's out there and I'm not even sure its possible to know."
AnonyNymous: No, I only call the universe 'god' because it exhibits some form of awareness. Not because of its complexity or anything like that. By the word 'god' we're trying to define the origin of the universe and the progenitor of life. And I'm saying that the universe itself is its own origin, and is also the progenitor of life.
****I'm just flirting with the idea that the reason for this orderliness in existence could be because the whole universe is made up on one collective, intelligent, but imperfect consciousness.
If I may ask, what do you mean by awareness?
P. S by some weird reason you are kind of making me like pantheism
AnonyNymous: I like the idea of pantheism, and I think God is everything and everyone. We were all a part of the big bang. I reject the atheist/materialist stance that our world was created by random chance. There is order in our world. Here's an excerpt from the book I'm currently reading-
Isn't it quite interesting that we were able to observe specific patterns (and record them with mathematics)? And, that these equations hold true anywhere in the universe? F = Gm1m2/r^2 holds constant for any two bodies, anywhere in the universe. Why is it that there is an element occurring naturally for each electronic configuration? Why is there a pattern to their properties? Why do subatomic particles exhibit some form of 'awareness'- behaving differently when they are observed? I don't know how materialists find it easy to dismiss this as mere 'coincidence'. What exactly is responsible for maintaining order in our world?
I'm not making a case for 'intelligent design' as Abrahamic religions call it. The universe is imperfect- its not optimal (for humans, anyway), and if it had been formed any other way, we'd learn to live with it. Just like the analogy of a puddle. A crater in the ground wasn't designed to accommodate a puddle of water when it rains. It makes no sense some 'perfect' God created this imperfect universe.
But, imperfection does NOT mean disorder/randomness.
I only identify with the term pantheism, because we like to give everything a name, but I really haven't been convinced about the truth of this universe. I might never find it out, but that's not the most important thing to me. What I'm fully convinced of, however, is that existence isn't limited to this material, 3-dimensional world.
AnonyNymous: I like the idea of pantheism, and I think God is everything and everyone. We were all a part of the big bang. I reject the atheist/materialist stance that our world was created by random chance. There is order in our world. Here's an excerpt from the book I'm currently reading-
Isn't it quite interesting that we were able to observe specific patterns (and record them with mathematics)? And, that these equations hold true anywhere in the universe? F = Gm1m2/r^2 holds constant for any two bodies, anywhere in the universe. Why is it that there is an element occurring naturally for each electronic configuration? Why is there a pattern to their properties? Why do subatomic particles exhibit some form of 'awareness'- behaving differently when they are observed? I don't know how materialists find it easy to dismiss this as mere 'coincidence'. What exactly is responsible for maintaining order in our world?
I'm not making a case for 'intelligent design' as Abrahamic religions call it. The universe is imperfect- its not optimal (for humans, anyway), and if it had been formed any other way, we'd learn to live with it. Just like the analogy of a puddle. A crater in the ground wasn't designed to accommodate a puddle of water when it rains. It makes no sense some 'perfect' God created this imperfect universe.
But, imperfection does NOT mean disorder/randomness.
I only identify with the term pantheism, because we like to give everything a name, but I really haven't been convinced about the truth of this universe. I might never find it out, but that's not the most important thing to me. What I'm fully convinced of, however, is that existence isn't limited to this material, 3-dimensional world.
Isn't calling the universe god not answering for question.
It's just like saying because love seems complex, and mysterious, then love is god
yorex2011: To be honest, I really can't answer your question. I learned to program because I wanted to change the world somehow and it felt natural for to tow that part.
Yes there's financial reward if your good and are able to think smartly.
If mixed with other things such as a good personality, good communicator, avid reader and humble person, you can achieve amazing results.
Don't go in because you want financial reward, you go just cast.
Nygma: You raised a thread for discussion and you're asking me to leave for airing my views? Congratulations on your stupidity
I raised this thread for deists and non religious theists for the simple reason that I wanted no religious bulls hit on this thread like what you are doing now.
IME1: My dear the door is still open. You are welcome back any day. Stay strong. Grow in love and wisdom. Jesus is knocking. Christianity is not a fraud it's not a religion. It's emulating the life of Jesus and following Him, and He worships God our Father and wants us to do same through Him. If you have a good mother or father you would want to be like them.
But if your parents share the same surname with "great" people like Obasanjo, Buhari, Jonathan, Tinubu, Wike, the list is getting long! You won't deny who you are just because some people have tagged the name for evil or fraud
No matter what the bad people in Chrianity do, the Christ Jesus of Christians remains perfect, fraud less, holy and pure
IME1: My dear the door is still open. You are welcome back any day. Stay strong. Grow in love and wisdom. Jesus is knocking. Christianity is not a fraud it's not a religion. It's emulating the life of Jesus and following Him, and He worships God our Father and wants us to do same through Him. If you have a good mother or father you would want to be like them.
But if your parents share the same surname with "great" people like Obasanjo, Buhari, Jonathan, Tinubu, Wike, the list is getting long! You won't deny who you are just because some people have tagged the name for evil or fraud
No matter what the bad people in Chrianity do, the Christ Jesus of Christians remains perfect, fraud less, holy and pure
Sapiosexuality: The rate at which the Yahoo field is growing is disastrous. I was in Owerri and I thought it was Nigeria's Yahoo Paradise until I moved to Lagos. Majority of this country's youths are in hell already.
We should do more with what our people consume at the mental, psyche level. Banning songs that promote scam is not enough. In more serious countries the artiste goes to jail for it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by urahara(m): 3:56pm On Feb 11, 2018
