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Apparently, Muhammad from the traditional Islamic sources is not a role model for any sane human being.

A role model should be consistently modest, hygenic, considerate, compassionate and competent family man. If Muhammad was indeed a role model for Man, then the hadith books fail to portray him accurately. So, we're left with the Qur'an to deduce Muhammad's words & acts.

Muhammad, a flawed polygamist?

[quote author=Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Marriage]'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me in Shawwal and my marriage was consummated in Shawwal and which of his wives was more beloved to him than me?"[/quote]This is tactless, a polygamist should never give the impression that one wife is more beloved to him than another.

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Muhammad, on mourning death?

[quote author=Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Divorce]"It is not permissible for a woman to mourn for anyone who dies for more than three days, except for her husband."[/quote]This is inconsiderate, insensitive of a human that is to be exemplary for mankind. A woman can't mourn the loss of her parents, friend or child beyond 3 days?

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Muhammad, pedophile?

[quote author=Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Marriage]"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."[/quote]What kind of role model is a man that harbours sexual feelings for a 6 years old kid that still play with dolls, what kind of man exposes his genitals to a 9 years old?

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Although Muhammad supposedly taught that the obligation of a husband to his wife is to feed her, Muhammad himself failed to fulfill this obligation as a husband, according to hadith books. What an irony.

Now, how exemplary is the character of a man who can't even provide the basic needs of his family? How sincere is a man who ushers a special formula to overcome poverty, yet live in abject poverty? Where is the justification in marrying so many women, if he cannot even feed himself?

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[quote author=Sunan Ibn Majah » Book of Zuhd][2]. Aishah said:
“There would come a month when no smoke was seen in any of the households of the family of Muhammad (ﷺ). I said: "What did you eat?" She said: "The two black ones - dates and water." But we had neighbors among the Ansar, sincere neighbors, who had domestic sheep, and they used to send some of their milk to us. (One of the narrators) Muhammad said: "And they were nine households."

[3]. “I heard ‘Umar bin Khattab say: ‘I saw the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) writhing with hunger during the day, and he could not even find the worst of dates with which to fill his stomach.’”[/quote]Continue Below

Muhammad's formula to eradicate poverty;

[quote author=Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Hajj]'Perform Hajj and 'Umrah consecutively; for they remove poverty and sin as the bellows removes impurity from iron.'''[/quote]Yet, Muhammad & his family lived in poverty.

[quote author=Sunan Ibn Majah » Book of Zuhd][1]. “I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say several times: ‘By the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, the family of Muhammad does not have a Sa’ of food grains or a Sa’ of dates.’ And at that time he had nine wives.”[/quote]Continue Below

Our Guide is Qur'an; Not Muhammad

Qur'an 33:21 and 68:4 have been misinterpreted to define Muhammad's words and deeds as moral guide for Muslims. But the Qur'an seldom mention Muhammad, his words and acts are supposedly documented by hadith collectors.

So, if a monotheist reject hadith because they are not divine, can ahadith be acceptable because they contain Muhammad's words and acts? To decide, we now examine relevant hadith on Muhammad's life.

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Ubenedictus:
No, according to the aprocrypha book of james, mary was an only child, ann was barren, mary's birth was divine intervention when ann was already old.

Thank you.

LuciferCatholic:
Who?

Mary or St. Anne?

Mary.

Anne re-married thrice after Joachim's death which shows that she loved preeq so much just like any feminist.

Hmm...? Are you really a Christian?

Ubenedictus:
according to a 2nd century tradition, their names were ann and joachim, this is found in the aprocrypha book of james. both the catholic church, d eastern orthodox churches and the oriental church seem to agree with it.

Thank you.

Is there any record of her having a sibling? Any brother or sister?

LuciferCatholic:
Saints Joachim & Anne

Thank you. Please, is there anywhere this is mentioned in either of the Testaments?

Earthbound:
Direct your enquiry to the Vatican.

Thanks, but that I don't have the means. It'll be faster if I get answers from here.

Peace Christians.

I'd be glad if you could respond to this. According to Christian sources, both canon and apocrypha, who were Mary's family? Particularly her father and siblings. Thank you.

References will be appreciated. Thanks.

Aasia Bibi spoke negatively of Muhammad, this is why she remain in jail under threat of execution till date. This has nothing to do with drinking a cup of water.

But with growth of Muslim fanaticism now in the West, how long will the west continue as asylum for these victims? We can already see this in UK, for instance. Where there has been report that Aasia was not offered asylum due to fear of upsetting section of the population.

Also, beware of politically correct mainstream news sources alluding that Aasia was sentenced for drinking from the same cup as Muslims. This is dishonest attempt to detract from the theological root of the problem within the House of Islam.

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The religious leadership of the mainstream Muslim community is bereft of Imams, scholars or speakers who reasonably affirm universal human rights. They remain supportive or silent to human right violation, provided the victims are non-Muslims and the violators are Muslim authorities or governments like Pakistan.

Finally, note how the west have to come to rescue of another victim of human rights violation in the Muslim world. Even fanatic Muslims like Ayatollah Khomeini under persecution in the Muslim world have enjoyed asylum the west.

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Note how no single prominent, mainstream Muslim Imam, scholar or speaker have been vocal on Aasia's behalf, against blasphemy law since 2009. Nouman Ali Khan, Yasir Qadhir are American speakers of Pakistani descent, often touted as moderate Muslims, yet they remain mute on this issue.

Note! There are few Muslim scholars that have been critical of Pakistan Blasphemy law. E.g Mufti Abu Layth al Maliki, a British Pakistani & Imam Tawhidi(Imam of Peace), an Iranian Australian. But they are not mainstream, the are rejected by the mainstream Muslim community as heretics.

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For her safety, Aasia has been offered asylum by a host of Western countries. But fanatic Muslim groups in Pakistan protested her acquittal, reaching agreement with the government to bar Aasia from leaving Pakistan.

So, even after 8 years in prison, Pakistani authorities will not let go Aasia from detention, until her case is reviewed. This could take more years to complete.

Below are couple of pictures of Muslims protesting against Aasia's acquittal, demanding her execution in line with sharia.

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So, Aasia was charged to court, imprisoned and remain in solitary confinement since 2009. She had to remain locked up also for her own safety, due to calls for her murder in Pakistani public, in event the court acquits her.

Pakistan partly rules by sharia, where blasphemy is punished by death, according to several hadith and consensus of traditional Muslim scholars. See; Hadith Approve Death Penalty for Blasphemy. After several failed appeals and adjourned verdict, she was acquited on 10/30/2018.

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Aasia Bibi Blasphemy's Case

Aasia Bibi is a Pakistani Christian convicted of blasphemy in 2010 and sentenced to death. She had been involved in a heated quarrel with a Muslim co-worker and it deteriorated into snide remarks about Jesus and Muhammad. During the altercation, she expressed the following words, incriminating her;

Aasia: : I'm not going to convert(to Islam). I believe in my religion and Jesus, he died for the sin of man. What did Muhammad do for man? Why should I convert to Islam?

Full story here; https://nypost.com/2013/08/25/sentenced-to-death-for-a-sip-of-water/

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Victims of Sharia & Freedom of Speech Violation - Aasia Bibi

5 verses have been shown, instructing Muhammad to ignore the blasphemers and trust in God. Let see from the following case if Muslims honor these instructions.

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17:12: We rendered the night and the day two signs. We made the night dark, and the day lighted, that you may seek provisions from your Lord therein. This also establishes for you a timing system, and the means of calculation. We thus explain everything in detail.

26:2 These are verses of the Book, clear.

41:3 A Book whose verses are made detailed - an Arabic revelation for a people who know.

12:111: It(Qur'an) is not a hadith that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present, a detailing of all things, and a guidance and mercy to a people who believe.

16:89: We have sent down to you the book as a clarification for all things, a guide, mercy and good tidings for those who have peacefully surrendered

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7:52: We have brought them a book which We have detailed with knowledge; a guide and a mercy to those who believe.

10:37: This Quran could not have been produced without God, but it is to authenticate what is already present, and to provide detail to the book in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.

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More Verses Implying the Qur'an is Clear & Self-Explanatory

6:46: Say, "What if GOD took away your hearing and your eyesight, and sealed your minds; which god, other than GOD, can restore these for you?" Note how we explain the revelations, and note how they still deviate!

6:114: "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this book sufficiently detailed?" Those to whom We have given the book know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

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13:32

Messengers before you were ridiculed, but I gave respite to those who rejected, then I took them. Then how was My punishment?

This indicate the fate of those who ridicule Islam lies not with Muslims, but with God. He grant them respite first, then eventually punish them.

33:48

Do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and ignore their insults, put your trust in God; God suffices as an advocate.

Again, an instruction to ignore those who insult Islam. All from the Qur'an.

More verses for Freedom to blaspheme

15:94-97

So proclaim what you have been commanded and turn away from the polytheists. We're sufficient for you against the mockers. Those who set up with God another god; they will come to know. We know your chest is strained by what they say.

Muhammad never punished those who blasphemed and mocked him, he turned away from them. This is how Muslims should respond when Islam is insulted or blasphemed, if they indeed accept that God is sufficient for them.

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Qur'an 16:44 is often cited as proof that clarification of Qur'an constitute Muhammad's role.

In light of the aforementioned verses, a more adequate interpretation of this verse is that Muhammad clarifies the Qur'an, but he does so by reciting the verses that clarify other verses in the Qur'an that might have seem unclear to the people.

Did Muhammad explain/clarify the Qur'an?

The Qur'an inform Muhammad that his role is to recite and follow the Qur'an, while the clarification lies with the Lord.

Qur'an 75:16-19

Do not move your tongue with it to make haste. It is for Us to collect it and recite it. So when We recite it, you shall follow its recitation. Then it is for Us to clarify it.

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What is strange is that these Islamists have a track record of aiding and abetting the 'western enemies' against secular rulers of the middle east like Gamal Abdel Naseer, Muammar Gaddafi, Mohammad Mosaddegh.

With or without the western machinations, there'll be wars in the Muslim world. If Muslims were today's super powers, they'll have invaded nearly all of the earth by now. Fighting to spread Islam like Abu Bakr started in the 7th century. This has been the history of Muslims, and we must admit it whether we are Muslims or not.

Well said. Anti-western bigotry has become a norm in the Islamist community. Although I can understand where it is coming from, looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I think much of it is driven by the Islamists' dishonesty and inadequacies in the modern world.

There is supposedly a war against Muslims, even though more and more Muslims are settled in the west, more Muslims would rather migrate to Norway than migrate to Iran, more Israeli Muslims would rather remain in Israel than go join Muslims in Gaza strip.