Islam › Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 6:46pm On May 31, 2019*. Modified: 7:15pm On May 31, 2019 |
true2god: If Mariah Carey had performed in sokoto (Nigeria) or Islamabad (Pakistan) I am 100% sure that many churches would have been burnt down and many Christian life would have been lost because a kafir performed an 'immoral' song in the land of the ummah. But here we have mariah Carey performed life in Saudi Arabia, the traditional home of Islam, and there was no any single case of killing, burnings and rioting. In the next 10-20 years, the Saudis will host the world's most beautiful girl beauty pageant and nothing will happen. That's an over-exaggeration. But who knows, it may be possible. Remember back in 2015 when two Churches were burnt down in Katsina in reaction to an alleged blasphemous statement by a christian teacher in the classroom. But you must know that what is done, is less important than who does it. If it were American agents that hosted this event in Saudi A, the uproar would have been so loud from the fanatics, who would bemoan a western conspiracy to take Muslims from Islam. The fanatics are quiet now because it is Muslims that hosted this event. When Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi and Bin Laden were killed by non-Muslims, you could hear the cries from Muslims. When Salman Taseer or Jamal Khashoggi were killed by Muslims, there were only faint moans among a few Muslims, then everyone went their way as if nothing happened. |
Islam › Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(op): 1:38pm On May 30, 2019 |
Here is what Abrahamic scriptures have to say on this;
[quote author=Torah: Genesis; 3 #16]To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.[/quote]To add insult to the injury, women after birth are prohibited from salat or fasting for 40 days, not because they need a break, but obviously because they are considered not spiritually pure enough post natal.
Theism want us to embrace all of these as the perfect plan of God, the all intelligent and most merciful. That is why AlBaqr tells us that the 'so called flaws' in man are actually good that we do not know enough of to appreciate yet. |
Islam › Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(op): 1:37pm On May 30, 2019*. Modified: 1:58pm On May 30, 2019 |
Theism also can't explain why the human birth canal is so narrow, why natural birth is painful and sometimes fatal to women. Even after 9 tedious months of carrying their babies, labor can last as much as 18 hours for women.
Again, you'll expect a most intelligent and most merciful creator to design the female anatomy to accommodate labor with more ease and less pain. But this isn't the case. |
Islam › Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(op): 1:37pm On May 30, 2019 |
2. Why Pregnancy symptoms and Pain of Child birth?
Theism can't explain constipation, morning sickness, mood swing or irritability that pregnant women mostly suffer due to their bodies's hormonal shift.
You'll assume that a most intelligent, most merciful creator would design pregnancy with a homeostasis mechanism to account for hormonal changes and prevent these symptoms, but this is not the reality. |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 12:55pm On May 30, 2019*. Modified: 1:56pm On May 30, 2019 |
Notice how wrong these hadith are? You cannot give senna to a man with diarrhea. Honey is not recommendable to a person with diabetes. This is proof that Muhammad's sunnah is deeply flawed. Yet there are Muslims who want us to live according to this sunnah.
In 2019, there are Muslims who fall for this "Prophetic medicine" or "Islamic medicine", unaware that there is nothing unique about it. It is antiquated, predate Muhammad and inferior to modern medicine. |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 12:42pm On May 30, 2019*. Modified: 1:55pm On May 30, 2019 |
Not only does sharia bans alcohol as medicine, the prophet cursed those who produce, sell or distribute alcohol. The prophet tell Muslims that alcohol is not medicine, that if they need medicine for any disease, they should take senna, honey or black seed. “In black seed there is healing for every disease, except the Sam.” "Sam means death. And black seed is Shuwniz. https://sunnah.com/urn/1274920“You should use senna and the Sannut, for in them there is healing for every disease, except the Sam.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, what is the Sam?” He said: “Death.” (One of the narrators) ‘Amr said: “Ibn Abu ‘Ablah said: the ‘Sannut is dill.” Others said: “Rather, it is honey that is kept in a skin (i.e., receptacle) used for ghee." https://sunnah.com/urn/1275020 |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 11:48am On May 30, 2019*. Modified: 1:49pm On May 30, 2019 |
Contribution of alcohol to scientific growth
Alone, alcohol is an alternative to fomezipole, as antidote in methanol or ethylene glycol poisoning. Alcohol is also an important constituent of many oral drugs in medicine, e.g cough syrups. Alcohol is a useful solvent for chemicals, like in mouth washes. |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 11:31am On May 30, 2019 |
3. Alcohol is prohibited, even for medicine
[quote author=Sunan Abi Dawud » Book of Medicine]Wa'il said: Tariq ibn Suwayd or Suwayd ibn Tariq asked the Prophet (ﷺ) about wine, but he forbade it. He again asked him, but he forbade him. He said to him: Prophet of Allah, it is a medicine. The Prophet (ﷺ) said: No it is a disease.[/quote] |
Islam › Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 11:19am On May 30, 2019 |
Disturbing as it seems, I respect Abuheekmet for being frank. Not all religious people are capable of such degree of frankness when expressing their religion. The devil you know is better than the angel you don't know.
There are far more peaceful and friendly Muslims who you cannot help but admire. Until you find out how sick and twisted their hidden beliefs are. You can find some of these two face, double dealing Muslims if you look harder at those Muslim condemning frank Muslims like Abuheekmet. |
Islam › Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 11:19am On May 30, 2019*. Modified: 1:43pm On May 30, 2019 |
Abuheekmet: Am brother to the man Allah used to clean Saudi.. Muhammad Abdul wahab.. Killed sufi and the likes back then...just like Ali killed the kufar Shia back then.. Burnt them alive.. Hahahaha See that? And they tell us that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. Years back, I had an in-law who read and adored Ibn Abdul wahhab. When I pointed that Ibn Abdul wahhab taught killing of Muslims who committed 'shrik' or 'bida'. He expressed his approval of such teachings, as a necessity to keep the ummah from deviation and ultimately hell. This disturbed me for a while. I've met Muslims with such views on the internet several time, najib, Fundamentalizt, AbdelKabir. These are cold blooded Wahhabis. I never imagine ever meeting a pro-Wahhabi in my own life. But I got over it eventually, because this in-law was a nice fellow and didn't look like he could hurt a fly. |
Islam › Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 11:11am On May 30, 2019 |
Enough Albaqr & Iran, time to return to our thread of focus: spiritualmuby: SA- Always tarnishing the image of islam. Oh, that is not true. Saudi Arabia are the closest thing to a traditional Islamic state that the world have. so the headquater of islam hosting a satanic event is not a problem, huh? Savage. Look, Saudis are human beings. They are not salat robots, they have needs and wants. Also, not all Saudi Muslims share your view on haram/halal. And some of them are closet ex-Muslims or just not religious. |
Islam › Re: Your Menses And Ramadan by usermane(m): 2:39pm On May 29, 2019*. Modified: 3:18pm On May 29, 2019 |
aril: Mention one verse in the Quran that you claim almost all Muslims doesn't believe. Your understanding abt Islam is seriously weak. I've mentioned Qur'an 18:86 on Dhul Qarnayn and the sun setting in a spring of water. There are several other verses, like sexual fluid emitted from between the lower back and the ribs, Qur'an 86:6-7. Also Qur'an 17:110 ask Muslims to recite salat audibly; but Muslim women always recite silently & Muslim men may recite silently sometimes but extremely loud at other times. With regards to the hadith you quoted see the thorough explanation below and when nxt you read something beyond your imagination, ask question or ask those who can explain better. Luckily we have 24/7 active Islamic sites you can seek thorough understanding.
Just like the way you were lost when you read that hadith while you gave a false reference from the Quran. I am hereby given you this to purify yourself.
Question - 176375 It is narrated by Abu Dawood in as-Sunan (3991) that Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I was with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), riding a donkey, and the sun was setting. He said: “Do you know where this (sun) goes?” I said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: “It sets in a spring of warm water (innaha taghrubu fi ‘aynin hami’ah).” Is this hadeeth saheeh? If it is, then what does it mean? I have heard some non-Muslims using this to stir up doubts about Islam and cast aspersions on it.
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Answer Praise be to Allah. Firstly:
The hadeeth of Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) which describes the place where the sun goes was narrated via Ibraaheem ibn Yazeed at-Taymi, from his father, from Abu Dharr, from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him.
It was narrated from Ibraaheem at-Taymi by al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah, al-A‘mash, Fudayl ibn Ghazwaan, Haroon ibn Sa‘d, and Moosa ibn al-Musayyab, as was stated by Ibn Mandah in al-Eemaan (2/926)
They narrated it via two isnaads:
The first isnaad:
It was narrated by al-A‘mash, Yoonus ibn ‘Ubayd, Moosa ibn al-Musayyab and Haroon ibn Sa‘d. In this report it says that the sun goes and prostrates beneath the Throne or before its Lord; there is no mention of a spring of warm water. It appears in several versions, of which we will mention one here:
It was narrated that Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said to Abu Dharr when the sun set: “Do you know where it goes?” I said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: “It goes and prostrates beneath the Throne, then it asks for permission (to rise) and permission is given to it. Soon it will prostrate, but it will not be accepted from it, and it will ask for permission (to rise) but permission will not be given to it; it will be said to it: “Go back to where you came from.’ So it will rise from its place of setting, and that is what Allah, may He be glorified, refers to in the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing” [Yaa-Seen 36:38].
It was narrated via A‘mash by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh (no. 3199, 4802 and 7424); Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 159); Abu Dawood at-Tayaalisi in al-Musnad (1/368); Ahmad in al-Musnad (35/282, 429); at-Tirmidhi in as-Sunan (no. 2186, 3227 – he said: It is hasan saheeh; an-Nasaa’i in as-Sunan al-Kubra (10/229); at-Tabari in Jaami‘ al-Bayaan, 20/516); al-Bazzaar in al-Bahr al-Zukhaar (9/409); Abu ‘Awaanah in al-Mustakhraj (1/100-101); at-Tahhaawi in Sharh Mushkil al-Athaar (1/254); Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (14/24); al-Qutay‘i in Juz’ al-Alf Dinar (p. 183); Abu Nu‘aym in al-Musnad al-Mustakhraj ‘ala Saheeh Muslim (1/222); al-Baghawi in at-Tafseer (4/14); Abu ash-Shaykh in al-‘Azamah (4/1192); Ibn Mandah in al-Eemaan (2/924) and at-Tawheed (1/134, 135); Ibn Bashraan in al-Amaali (p. 159); al-Bayhaqi in al-Asma wa as-Sifaat (2/273); Ibn ‘Asaakir in al-Mu‘jam (2/1015); Abu Nu‘aym in Hilyat al-Awliya’ (4/216) and others.
It was narrated via Yoonus ibn ‘Ubayd by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 159); an-Nasaa’i in as-Sunan al-Kubra (10/96); at-Tabari in Jaami‘ al-Bayaan (12/249); Abu ‘Awaanah in al-Mustakhraj (1/100); Abu al-‘Abbaas as-Siraaj in Hadeeth as-Siraaj (3/258); Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (14/21); Abu ash-Shaykh in al-‘Azamah (4/1189); Ibn Mandah in al-Eemaan (2/925, 926) and in at-Tawheed (1/136); Abu Nu‘aym in al-Mustakhraj (1/221).
It was narrated via Moosa ibn al-Musayyab by: Abu ash-Shaykh al-Asbahaani in al-‘Azamah (4/1188);
And via Haroon ibn Sa‘d by at-Tabaraani in al-Mu‘jam al-Kabeer (4/373); Abu ash-Shaykh al-Asbahaani in al-‘Azamah (4/1190).
Abu Nu‘aym (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This is a saheeh hadeeth on which they (the hadeeth scholars) are agreed, from the hadeeth of al-A‘mash from Sufyaan ath-Thawri and others. It was narrated from at-Taymi al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah, Fudayl ibn ‘Umayr, Haaroon ibn Sa‘d, Moosa ibn al-Musayyab, Habeeb ibn Abi al-Ashras, and from Yoonus ibn ‘Umayd among the Basris.
End quote from Hilyat al-Awliya’ (4/216)
The second isnaad:
It was narrated by al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah only, from Ibraaheem at-Taymi; in this report it says that the sun sets in a spring of warm water.
It was narrated that Abu Dharr said: I was riding behind the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) when he was on a donkey and the sun was setting. He said: “Do you know where this (sun) sets?” I said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: “It sets in a spring of warm water (innaha taghrubu fi ‘aynin haamiyah).”
Narrated by Ahmad in al-Musnad (35/363); Abu Dawood in as-Sunan (no. 4002); Hafs ad-Doori in Juz’ Qiraa’aat an-Nabi sall Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam (p. 123); al-Bazzaar in al-Bahr al-Zakhaar (9/407); as-Siraaj in his Hadeeth (3/258); al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (2/267) – he said: This is a hadeeth with a saheeh isnaad, although they (al-Bukhaari and Muslim) did not narrate it. All of them narrated it via Yazeed ibn Haaroon, from Sufyaan ibn Husayn, from al-Hakam.
Al-Bazzaar said: We do not know that anyone narrated it from al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah, from Ibraaheem, from his father, from Abu Dharr except Sufyaan ibn Husayn. Yoonus ibn ‘Ubayd narrated it from Ibraaheem at-Taymi, Sulayman al-A‘mash and Haroon ibn Sa‘d. End quote.
Secondly:
From the above it is clear that the version of the hadeeth of Abu Dharr which is most likely to be correct is the first one, in which it says: “It goes and prostrates beneath the Throne”, in which it makes no mention of it setting “in a spring of warm water (innaha taghrubu fi ‘aynin haamiyah).” This is based on several factors:
~1~
This wording is that on which the majority of narrators and those with the best memories agreed upon, in the report from Ibraaheem at-Taymi.
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The second version (“in a spring of warm water”) was narrated only by al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah from Ibraahem, and al-Hakam – although he was trustworthy – was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis [i.e., he used vague wording to give a wrong impression] in Dhikr al-Mudalliseen (no. 11). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. End quote from ath-Thiqaat (4/144). None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from – instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Ibn Hajar mentioned him in Maraatib al-Mudalliseen in the second rank of mudalliseen (p. 30), who are the ones whose tadlees the imams (leading scholars) tolerated and from whom they narrated reports that they regarded as sound, because of their prominence and because they rarely engaged in tadlees compared to others, such as ath-Thawri; or (it was tolerated) because they did not use engage in tadlees except when narrating from a trustworthy source, such as Ibn ‘Uyaynah. The fact that this report is contrary to the report narrated by the trustworthy narrators confirms the possibility that tadlees occurred in this hadeeth in particular.
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The first version was narrated by both al-Bukhaari and Muslim, whereas the second version was not narrated by these two shaykhs. That is because they thought the first version was more likely to be correct than any other. Undoubtedly the reports in the books of al-Bukhaari and Muslim take precedence, according to the critics and scholars, than those in other books and Musnads.
~4~
There is a great difference between the two versions. The first one describes the sun as prostrating beneath the Throne, whether at the time of sunset or at any other time, according to different versions of the hadeeth. Prostration beneath the Throne is a matter of the unseen, and no one knows how it is except Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. He, may He be glorified and exalted, has told us that all created things prostrate to Him, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“See you not that to Allah prostrates whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the mountains, and the trees, and Ad-Dawab (moving living creatures, beasts, etc.), and many of mankind? But there are many (men) on whom the punishment is justified”
[al-Hajj 22:18].
No one knows how this prostration is or when it happens or its real nature except Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. Similarly, the hadeeth of Abu Dharr is no different from this verse at all, and there is nothing objectionable in it.
Al-Khattaabi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
It cannot be denied that it halts beneath the Throne, in a manner that we cannot see or comprehend; rather this is speaking about a matter of the unseen. So we should not disbelieve in it or ask how it happens, because our knowledge cannot comprehend it.
End quote from A‘laam al-Hadeeth Sharh Saheeh al-Bukhaari (p. 1893)
With regard to the second version, “It sets in a spring of warm water”, this is problematic, because the setting of the sun occurs when its disc disappears below the horizon, and it sets on some people and rises on others because of the movement of the earth around it. So it is not possible that the sun, which is of immense size, could disappear into a spring of warm water. With regard to the words of Allah, may He be exalted, in the story of Dhu’l-Qarnayn (interpretation of the meaning): “Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” [al-Kahf 18:86], the commentators said that what is meant is to depict the scene that appeared before him, for he saw it on the horizon of the sea, as if it were sinking into it at the time of setting. The Holy Qur’an does not tell us that this was something that happnened in a real sense; hence Allah, may He be glorified, said “he found it setting” and He did not say “it was setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water.”
Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
That is, he way he saw the sun was as if it was setting in the ocean, which is something that happens to everyone who stands on the shore: he sees the sun as if it is setting into the sea, when in fact it does not leave the celestial path on which it is firmly established.
End quote from Tafseer al-Qur’an al-Kareem (5/191)
To sum up: whoever casts aspersions on the Sunnah because of this wording is ignorant of the precision of the hadeeth scholars in examining different versions of the hadeeth and distinguishing between the reports which are proven and those which are not proven. The fact that some scholars regarded this report as saheeh is problematic; rather what they intended was to class as saheeh the basis of the hadeeth, not to suggest that this version is more correct than that which is proven in as-Saheehayn: “It goes and prostrates beneath the Throne.”
In order to refute this specious argument, it is sufficient to note that the scholars of Islam were unanimously agreed that the earth is round and that all the celestial bodies are also round. It is on that basis that night and day alternate, because of the movements and rotation of these heavenly bodies. This is clear from many texts of the Qur’an and Sunnah.
Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The heavenly bodies are round, according to the Muslim scholars among the Sahaabah and those who followed them in guidance; that was also proven from them with isnaads mentioned in the appropriate places. In fact, more than one of the Muslim scholars narrated that there was consensus among the Muslims on that point.
End quote from Minhaaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah (5/442)
The Muslims were ahead of others in knowledge of astronomy; if the apparent meaning of this hadeeth contradicts that, then there would not have been consensus on the contrary; but the correct view is that the hadeeth does not contradict the scientific, astronomical facts.
And Allah knows best. OK, here are the problems. The writer claims scholars doubt the authenticity of the hadith, and see it as likely false. This is really subjective reasoning, obviously there are scholars that accept this hadith. We can only speculate as to why Buhari and Muslim did not include the hadith in their collection. But Abu Dawud is a reputable imam, to have it in his collection mean he was sure of its authenticity. Also, Al-Albani, a more recent reputable scholar graded it authentic. If you reject this hadith, it can still be argued that you're rejecting an authentic hadith. You can see the problem? The writer now decides to proffer an alternative and supposedly more authentic version of the hadith - the sun goes to prostrate under Allah's throne. This is still a problematic hadith. I know the sun's prostration beneath the Throne is part of the Unseen in Islam, but this hadith tells us when this prostration happens. It's time of prostration is revealed to man. Here is the problem. At sunset in one part of the world, it is sunrise elsewhere and full noon in another part of the world. So when exactly does the sun prostrate beneath the throne and seek permission to rise again? Let's now move to the verse on the sun setting in a spring. I'm afraid, the writer's argument is bias and one sided. The Qur'an states; "Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a community...." The phrase "reach the setting (place) of the sun" creates the first doubt concerning this verse. One does not reach the setting of the sun, or setting place of the sun. This is either poor language or poor understanding of cosmos. The second phrase, "and he found near it a community.....", also raises questions. You don't find anything near the sun, or setting of the sun or setting place of the sun. Again, this is either poor language or poor understanding of cosmos. Now, look at the phrase, "he found it setting in a spring". The writer claims that this mean 'it appeared as if the sun was setting into the spring'. If so, why does Qur'an have to tell us this? What is so important about the sun, the spring or dhul qarnayn's perception of the scene in this story? Putting all these in consideration, it is highly unlikely that this verse implies anything other than the sun literally set in a spring. I believe if the Qur'an implies it was just a perception by Dhul Qarnayn, it would've clearly implied it in order not to confuse it with ancient myth that the sun literally sets in a place every evening. As you can see, it is from this verse that the hadith on the sun setting in a spring originate. What the Muslims have done with this verse is distortion and twisting to conceal their obvious disbelief in this verse. This is not good enough. If you're doubtful about a verse or hadith, admit. Don't extrapolate, interpolate or draw metaphorical interpretation that is bias and one sided. |
Islam › Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(op): 1:50pm On May 28, 2019 |
Distress often associated with Menstruation
This include a host of physical symptoms; Tender and swollen breast, Abdominal cramps, Bloating, Fatigue, Headache, Irritability, Anxiety, Depressed mood, Insomnia etc. In some women, these can be so severe to warrant medical attention.
The severity of these symptoms may be minimized by exercise and diet modification. But obviously, not every woman is able to afford regular exercise or diet modification at all times of their lives.
Besides, the unenlightened folks may not even know of such measures in minimizing these symptoms. So, menstruation and its associated distress poses a valid question or objection on theism. |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 11:12am On May 28, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: What of its several harmful effect! Music corrupts the soul. It is used to impart ideologies to a negligent mind. Drug abuse, homosexuality, indecent dressing, fornication, etc has been promoted by Music. But all of these are only caused by lyrics or imagery. The instrument themselves do not cause any vice. If you don't want Dbanj or Nikki Minaj, there is plenty of instrumental music without lyrics, dance or imagery. The contribution of Music is negligible to us Muslims. It remains Haram and Useless. OK. It is not forbidden to use images, videos, etc for educational purposes since that is for the benefit of the people. Read and digest the hadith, please. It says image makers would be punished, it didn't exempt image for any beneficial purpose. You're applying your own ijtihad here. Pictures with no complete head features can be used. And this is to prevent Shirk. Muslims use passport. It is a necessity! Since when did it become a necessity for Muslims to use passport? For ages Muslims did not use passport. Oh, and passports show the complete head features. |
Islam › Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(op): 10:37am On May 28, 2019*. Modified: 11:21am On May 28, 2019 |
AlBaqir: This is what happened when your thinking is limited. Religious scholars give answer (some intellectual and philosophical while some are not) to all questions. However, each of them still insist "God knows best" simply because "God indeed knows best".
At every age, scientists keep on refuting themselves bringing out flaws in their predecessors submission or theories. This is one of the beauty of science the fact that doors of improvement and new discoveries is never closer. Same thing in religious circle with different views and opinions on issues (forget about the fanatics). Sometimes we give reason(s) for something and later we discover it's more than we thought.
All these point to one direction: man's knowledge of this gigantic universe is like a drop of water in ocean. Only the designer of the universe knows it all. A more plausible response from the scholars would've been "I/We don't know". Telling people that "God knows best", is like telling them there exist a good explanation that God did not reveal yet. This is all speculation or conjecture. Your point exactly is what? To defend God or question His design?
If you ever study Islamic Philosophy, you will realized that there are and there can only be two types of existence: Necessity or Independent Existence and Possible/contingent/dependant Existence.
Necessity Existence brings about Possible Existence: meaning the later is in need of the former at all time. Every so-called "flaws" in man's design point to a simple fact that we are mumkin al-wujud (possible or contingent existence). If we are perfect then we can no longer be a dependent or contingent existence. We would be Necessary and independent existence. This is complicated. Will address it later. Anyway, here's one IMPORTANCE of menses:
"The point is that there is every reason to welcome and grace menstruation. According to Dr John Ongech, the head of reproductive health at kenyatta National Hospital (KNH), regular menstruation is a woman's body's way of saying that there is hormonal balance within the body.
"If a woman is not having regular menstruation there must be an explanation for that. When a lady who is at least 18 is not menstruating it is a pointer to a problem - especially if she hopes to have children in future," Ongech says."
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/evewoman/article/2001238125/why-is-menstruation-important The End perfect the Means, is basically what you're saying - that menstruation is perfect design since it shows there is hormonal balance in the body. So, every month, women have to be constantly assured they are in hormonal balance by enduring painful distress and inconvenience. No other less distressing and less impure means could be designed for the female body to show hormonal balance? FYI, male bodies have their means of showing hormonal balance, which is not half distressing or impure as menses is for women. |
Islam › Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(op): 7:38am On May 28, 2019*. Modified: 8:01am On May 28, 2019 |
Menses is basically shedding of uterine lining that naturally forms every month in anticipation of pregnancy. There is no point in this uterine lining forming monthly, since women do not seek to conceive every month. Still, God supposedly designed the uterine lining to not only form but to shed every month?
The menstrual cycle is like a broken tap that keeps running even when nobody need water. It seem too flawed a design, by a flawless God.
Not only this, menstruation cannot be withheld voluntarily, as urination. It cannot simply be wiped off, as sweating, because it continues for days. It is often painful, distressing and inconvenient for women. It is hard to be convinced a most merciful, all intelligent God designed women with menses. |
Islam › Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(op): 7:35am On May 28, 2019*. Modified: 8:05am On May 28, 2019 |
1. Why Menstruation?
According to Islam & other theistic faith, menses is impure. A woman in menses shall not fast, pray or go near the mosque. Yet, God designed women with menstruation.
Unlike urination, defecation or sweating which are necessary for life, menstruation is not a necessity, not even for reproduction. A lot of mammals do not menstruate. |
Islam › Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(op): 7:35am On May 28, 2019 |
No ideology or belief is perfect in the real world. Everything is flawed on some level. I have written on the faults of atheism in the past, please see my debate with atheists in the following thread; https://www.nairaland.com/4955950/atheism-foolishness/3#74852487But there are questions with theism that all the sages of Islam, Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism can only answer with "God knows best". "God knows best" is an euphemism for "It doesn't matter, forget about it." But these questions matter because their subjects affect our lives daily. |
Islam › Re: Your Menses And Ramadan by usermane(m): 2:51am On May 28, 2019 |
najib632: Do not assume that everyone is like you. We ask scholars what we do not understand and come to an understanding of a fiqh, Did you pay Allah a dime when he was creating you? You claim to be a lover of Qur'an and a Muslim and it has not become clear to you that you are a hypocrite. All the history and stories about pious and scholarly women, were did you live them? Why did they not complain? It is not assumption, everyone is like me. I can point out several Qur'anic verses and prophetic Hadith that almost no Muslim believe. The difference is that while I'm honest enough to express my skeptism on such verses or Hadith, most Muslims prefer to twist and distort facts to undermine any doubt regarding them. Or sometimes, they just quietly disregard such verses or hadith without a word on it. For example; Hadith states that the sun sets in a spring of water; https://sunnah.com/abudawud/32/34Qur'an(18:86) apparently states the same. Do you believe in this? |
Islam › Re: Your Menses And Ramadan by usermane(m): 3:27pm On May 27, 2019 |
najib632: Finally you have fallen off the edge congratulations. There is no edge. It is all blur. No Muslim believes everything in Islam. |
Islam › Re: While Being Oppressed, We Have Become Oppressors- Maajid Nawaz by usermane(m): 3:03pm On May 27, 2019 |
Cheers01: Long time.
You were a Muslim when I first met you. Dem times.... Wow, seem like you don't recognize me as a Muslim anymore. Anyway, i don't identify as Muslim anymore, just as I don't identify as non-Muslim or ex-Muslim. I think it's time we stop discussing identities and discuss ideas. I'm just me. That's about it. |
Islam › Re: Argument of Possibility And Necessity - Does God Exist by usermane(m): 3:05am On May 27, 2019 |
tintingz: Ok, you saying the evidence of Allah is fear and death?
And what evidence do you have that one is still conscious after confirmed dead?
Do you have any evidence of afterlife?
How so sure are you you will meet Allah after you die, any proof? May be you haven't heard. In the Muslim communities, there are lots of anecdotes about near death or after death experience. I once heard a tale that the grave of a sinful man was re-dugged open after his burial, only for the people to find him alive, bound in ropes and under torture. There is another tale of a reopened grave within hours of burial, where the corpse was found so fully rotten, as if the burial has been extremely long ago. Of course, anecdotes are not evidences, but religious communities heavily trade in them. |
Islam › Re: While Being Oppressed, We Have Become Oppressors- Maajid Nawaz by usermane(m): 2:55am On May 27, 2019 |
Damn. 4 years, 8 months and 28 days. Can't believe how much I have changed.
Hope you're good, Cheers01? |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 1:37pm On May 26, 2019*. Modified: 1:54pm On May 30, 2019 |
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Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 1:35pm On May 26, 2019 |
Contribution of Images of animals/man to scientific growth;
Pictures, mannequins, or videos for educational illustrations especially on Anatomy. Surveillance cameras. Photos and video records of past events for future references. etc. |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 1:35pm On May 26, 2019 |
2. Images of Man or Animals are Prohibited
[quote author=Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Adornment]"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Among the people who will be most severely punished on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers.'"[/quote][quote author= Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Adornment]"I heard the Messenger of Allah [SAW] say: 'The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or an image of an animate being.''[/quote] |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 1:34pm On May 26, 2019 |
Contributions of Music to scientific growth
Music; Can improve memory & concentration, e.g during studying. Can relax the mind and relieve stress. May help in disorders and conditions as autism or alzheimer's disease. |
Islam › Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 1:33pm On May 26, 2019 |
1. Music is Prohibited[quote author=Sahih al-Bukhari » Book of Drinks]"From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful[/quote][quote author=Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Distribution of Al-Fay']"Umar bin 'Abdul-'Aziz wrote a letter to 'Umar bin Al-Walid in which he said: Your openly allowing musical instruments and wind instruments is an innovation in Islam. I was thinking of sending someone to you who would cut off your evil long hair."'[/quote] Fatwa Against Music except on Eid |
Islam › 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(op): 1:32pm On May 26, 2019 |
Traditional sharia comes from 3 main sources; Ancient Tafsir(Qur'an Exegesis), Hadith books & formal traditional schools of jurisprudence - Maliki, Hanafi, Shafii, Hanbali, Ja'fari fiqh. |
Islam › Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 1:26pm On May 26, 2019*. Modified: 2:18pm On May 26, 2019 |
Iran call itself an Islamic Republic. An oxymoron. Iranian politicians have to be screened by the Ayatollahs. So, these politicians have to be conservative Muslims or pretend to be conservative Muslims to pass. Hence Iranians can only elect from a pool of Muslim fanatics, and so we get presidents like Ahmedinejad who denies that homosexuals exist in Iran.
But a lot of Iranians are liberal Muslims who are trapped under authority of a fanatic Muslim regime. And for them, Islam is an Arab ideology they're caught in. |
Islam › Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 1:25pm On May 26, 2019 |
Recall that Albaqr called out the Saudis on the war in Yemen. What is going on in Yemen is not just about Saudi, it is in part an extension of the proxy conflict between Saudi and Iran for regional dominance. This proxy conflict rears it head again in the Syrian civil war where Iran backs the Syrian dictator against the Saudi/Western backed rebels.
Iranians have staged protests in the past against these foreign policies the regime continue to fund at the cost of economy of the country. |
Islam › Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 1:24pm On May 26, 2019*. Modified: 4:53pm On May 26, 2019 |
"Death to America! Death to Israel!" These empty chants serve to remind us the regime retains her loyalty to the ummah, unlike the 'sold out Saudi A'. Iranian regime are yet to launch an invasion of Israel. But they keep playing the Palestinian occupation card. They delude the Palestinians, they only care for themselves. They have no fixed ally.
People are ignorant that in the 1953 coup d'etat against Iran elected Prime minister Mossadegh, senior Ayatollahs of Iran(Khomeini's mentors) aided the CIA against the secular leftist. And Khomeini at the time supported the coup. Many of these ayatollahs are politicians in robes and turban, their loyalty shift with time and circumstances and Islam is their opium for the masses. |