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IslamRe: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 2:11pm On May 18, 2019
According to hadith, rebelling against the leader is haram. Unless the leader clearly apostatize from Islam, none may rebel. At best, the Muslims may admonish the ruler. The salafi scholars probably did that quietly, unless they believe Khashoggi deserved his fate.

Sahih Muslim » The Book on Government
1. There will be leaders who will not be led by my guidance and who will not adopt my ways? There will be among them men who will have the hearts of devils in the bodies of human beings. I said: What should I do. Messenger of Allah, if I (happen) to live in that time? He replied: You will listen to the Amir and carry out his orders; even if your back is flogged and your wealth is snatched, you should listen and obey.

2. Amirs will be appointed over you, and you will find them doing good as well as bad deeds. One who hates their bad deeds is absolved from blame. People asked: Messenger of Allah, shouldn't we fight against them? He replied: No, as long as they say their prayer.
IslamRe: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op):
# Jamal Khashoghi was brutally murdered and chopped up like chicken by the Saudis, the prince and royals are watching Marieh Carey while their local champions "salafis" all across the globe kept mute. Many Saudi scholars and activists who have strongly condemned this satanic regime are either exiled or jailed while some were already beheaded.
I know, I really feel bad about the Khasshogi incident. But come on, covert assassination of the regime opponent has always been part of Muslim history. Khashoggi, a journalist fled Saudi Arabia to US, where he continued to criticize the ruling regime. He was an opponent to MBS, and the prince might have taken him out.

In the middle ages, Muslim caliphs would assassinate or execute their subjects on grounds of mere suspicion. According to hadith, Muhammad would send his assassains to execute those who condemned him, such as Kab bin Ashraf or Asma bint Marwan.
IslamRe: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 2:08pm On May 18, 2019
# People are dying in Yemen at the hand of the Saudi regime, the prince and royals are watching Marieh Carey.
Well, they have obviously intervened to end the conflict, but only failed & intensified the conflict. Besides, Mariah was not just there to entertain the royalty. It was as part of an ongoing Golf tournament. Her Saudi fans wanted her and were there to watch. Saudi people love music too. Even though it is forbidden in traditional Islam.
IslamMariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(op): 2:05pm On May 18, 2019
Asalam alaykum. There are a lot of problems with this thread; https://www.nairaland.com/4998545/marieh-carey-performed-live-saudi

Let's get into it.

Albaqr: For a fact, Marieh Carey was not the first SATANIC singer to perform in Saudi Arabia organized by the Saudi government (royal family). Several other satanic singers and entertainers like WWE wrestlers have in the past performed in the land of "Kitab wa Sunnah".
I don't see how Mariah's performance warrant this level of outcry. This performance was held outside Makkah, why add "Near Makkah" in the headlines? Why not just state "Mariah Carey performed in Saudi Arabia, Jeddah"? Why introduce Makkah in the headline.

Am afraid, this was intended to increase the chance of inciting Muslim outrage. And to me, this was the first red flag, I immediately felt this was more of a disguised plot by Iranian regime or estranged Muslim Brotherhood and their sympathizers to sabotage the Saudi regime.

Also, calling Marey Carey satanic singer? I'll hold you to this, Albaqr. There are worse and more satanic things happening in Saudi Arabia.
IslamRe: Your Menses And Ramadan by usermane(m): 6:51am On May 17, 2019
Asalam alaykum.

Any one else wonder why menstrual period will be spiritually impure? Menstruation is involuntary and last for days to week. Yet even if a woman fasted the whole day and her period suddenly start an hour to iftaar, her fast is nullified.

To me, the idea that something so natural and uncontrollable in the human body would be spiritually impure is flawed design
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 12:59pm On May 16, 2019
najib632:
You didn't do anything but as usual support the disbelivers, may Allah resurrect you with them. Hypocrite.

How wouldn't they be looked down on when they're spreading fitnah or you want to tell me that provocative dressing has not increased the rise of fornication and adultry? Nonsense.
Which fitnah? How did the pre-historic cavemen live? Are there no people living in the world almost naked, yet do not fornicate? Are they no people whose profession sometimes involve degrees of nudity, yet do not fornicate?
The problem is not the nudity but how the society have chosen to deal with it.

Please go enlighten yourself. There is no one book or one religion that teaches everything, or that is infallible.

What is my business with the mentality of extremists and ignorant people? How can you in your right mind tell me it's because of hijab culture people will say that? Don't muslims and Christians coexist in the north and western part of Nigeria without making such statement? How many times have you heard that muslim girls that don't wear hijab and christian girls got rapped by a so called sex grooming gang? A pervert is a criminal and, perversion in the name of Islam is apostasy. Which scholars fatwa will this so called group justify their statements and actions with?

يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱدۡخُلُواْ فِي ٱلسِّلۡمِ كَآفَّةٗ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُواْ خُطُوَٰتِ ٱلشَّيۡطَٰنِۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَكُمۡ عَدُوّٞ مُّبِينٞ
Nigeria is a different case. We are all black. Some of us have Christians in our families. And Nigerian Muslims have not been indoctrinated as Pakistanis in U.K.

Also, they don't need a fatwa to denigrate women without hijab or even headscarf. They've been taught all their lives as you, that women without headscarf have no honor, no dignity, no value. The difference, you have not acted upon those teachings as they have.

(Sahih International)
O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy.

-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 208
[/quote]Fair enough.

All you have been doing on this platform is following in the foot steps of shaytan e.g. Right now you're promoting immortality and always trying to lead people away from the Sunnah. You're walking on the edge of the cliff and you've started falling off.
Well, I didn't promote anything here. Did I? I just presented my view on hijab propaganda. If you do not like my post, just leave.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 8:06am On May 16, 2019
najib632:
Qur'anist why did your eyes not see this in the book of Allah?

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”

[al-Noor 24:31]

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

Which Qur'an are you reading?
I'm not here to discuss the Qur'anic position in headscarf. I've discussed it at length in 2015 on my thread - Face-Veil: Why the ban?

See my take on the verses; https://www.nairaland.com/2209087/face-veil-why-ban#31878335

If a girl who wears the hijab and misbehaves and another doesn't and doesn't misbehave both of them are sinners. The essence of hijab is to follow the verses above anyone who says otherwise is on his own.
Believe me, if this were where it ended, I probably won't be on this thread. We all know, that apart from 'sinner', there are all other kinds of derogatory views in parts of the Muslim world about women who don't wear hijab.

You can see the above quote I posted from the sex grooming gang in UK about women without hijab. That kind of toxic mentality is the product of hijab culture. When you state like the speaker that 'hijab is where women find their value, dignity & honor', it build a toxic mentality towards women.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 8:11pm On May 15, 2019
I'm very sure that some Christians must have shared the above quote of the Rotherham gang on Whatsapp, like Muslims shared the above ignorant video and forwarded it to me on Whatsapp. And can you blame the Christians in that case? If I have daughters who don't wear the headscarf, I"ll be very wary of Muslim men that are all about hijab, modesty etc. They can be very toxic.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 8:06pm On May 15, 2019
How toxic can modesty culture get?

Rotherham Grooming Gangs:
“Muslim girls are good and pure because they dress modestly, covering down to their ankles and wrists, and covering their crotch area. They stay virgins until marriage. They are our girls.

"White girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because you dress like slags. You show the curves of your bodies (showing the gap between your thighs means you’re asking for it) and therefore you’re immoral. White girls sleep with hundreds of men. You are the other girls. You are worthless and you deserve to be gang-raped.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html
IslamRe: Ramadan Fasting Was Never Meant To Be Health Beneficial by usermane(m): 12:04pm On May 15, 2019
tintingz:
Good.

I want to ask, is fasting a reasonable thing?
From scientific evidence, it is not a reasonable thing to the body. Especially when it is done over so many consecutive days. But aside effect on the body, it is debatable whether fasting is reasonable or not. It all depends on the person.
IslamRe: Ramadan Fasting Was Never Meant To Be Health Beneficial by usermane(m): 11:45am On May 15, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
https://www.nairaland.com/5152930/significance-fasting

The Significance of Fasting

Is there an unatonable sin in Islam when the sinner is still living?
But according to Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud's reports, if you willfully break a fast, no amount of fasting can atone for it. See hadith here;
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/14/84
https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/8/42

I just found out Al-Albani and Darussalam graded them weak. But not all Muslims accept Darrusalam or Al-Albani's grading of hadith. Some Muslims still believe in these hadith.

My mistake is not acknowledging that modern scholars opin atonement is possible on basis of other hadith that demand fasting for two months, or feeding 60 poor people or freeing a slave. In all these, from the above hadith, not all Muslims agreed fasting for 60 days suffice to atone for breaking fast.

This is a mistake. The major purpose of fasting is for Muslims to become more righteous (having increased Taqwa).

That the Muslim world wastes food doesn't hold water. Islam preaches against extravagance & wastage.
Is there any ritual in Islam not serving to boost righteousness? Aside spirituality, the only other purpose of fasting that is conceivable, I 've mentioned.
IslamRe: Ramadan Fasting Was Never Meant To Be Health Beneficial by usermane(m): 7:01am On May 15, 2019
Of course, no where in the Muslim texts does it claim to be health beneficial.

Remember that pregnant women are exempted from fasting. It shouldn't be the case if fasting is so healthy. It has deleterious effect on the body, explaining why it is not mandatory for the travellers.

Keep in mind that in certain parts of the world they fast for nearly the whole day. And you cannot break your fast out of hunger or thirst, it is an unatonable sin.

It seem self discipline and appreciation of food is the purpose of fasting. Ironically, food consumption and wastage rises in Ramadan in the Muslim world.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 6:24pm On May 14, 2019
true2god:
I have seen many Muslims call them 'fake Muslims' because they opened their mind to critical reasoning and were not afraid to identify the flaws within Islam. If all religious people can be critical of their religion, do a self-appraisal of their belief, I think there won't be too much incident of religious intolerance and violence.
Fake Muslim? Why am I not surprised? No true Scotsman fallacy.

I guess this is another reason to shift the discourse from religious identities to religious ideas.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 2:54pm On May 13, 2019
true2god:
@ Empire, you can watch this video with an open mind. Both men are Muslims having a very honest discussion about Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gsXw7gzaAo
Always a pleasure to listen to Tarek Fatah. Imam Tawhidi is about the only Imam that openly admit there is a problem within Islamic texts. Two fine Muslim men discussing Muslim problems so honestly and openly is a rarity.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 7:38pm On May 12, 2019
As to the Muslim women in headscarf he eulogizes and bless so passionately for not turning to slaves of fashion, this is ignorance. There are plenty of hijab fashion stars or models on YouTube & Instagram with huge followings.

There are Muslim women that never uncover their hair, but if you were to see how thoroughly they decorate themselves with foundation, powder, lipstick, eye-shadows, mascara etc, you'll left in utter shock.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 7:37pm On May 12, 2019
Speaker: Turning themselves into slaves of fashion desire and a corrupt industry making them fake. Much respect to the women in hijab who respect themselves and most of all who love their creator more than any superficial fake thing. May God reward you all with Al Janah(Paradise).
Speaker continues his eulogy of women in headscarf and abaya. As already explained, there is no need for a dilemma. If you're a woman, you don't have to choose between the conservative Muslim headscarf/face veil/cloak, and the skimpy, tight outfit that the speaker and many Muslims can't get over. There is plenty of choices between the two extremes.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 7:36pm On May 12, 2019
Misinformation 9: Muslim women wearing headscarves reject slavery to fashion

Speaker: Turning themselves into slaves of fashion desire and a corrupt industry making them fake. Much respect to the women in hijab who respect themselves and most of all who love their creator more than any superficial fake thing. May God reward you all with Al Janah(Paradise).
Speaker continues his eulogy of women in headscarf and abaya. As already explained, there is no need for a dilemma. If you're a woman, you don't have to choose between the conservative Muslim headscarf/face veil/cloak, and the skimpy, tight outfit that the speaker and many Muslims can't get over. There is plenty of choices between the two extremes.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 7:35pm On May 12, 2019
Now, as for wearing the abaya in the hot weather, why would I respect women for that? I find it sometimes offensive that even at comfy room temperature needing no artificial ventilation, some of these women in the abaya are quick to turn the AC making the room cool for themselves, but inadvertently making it cold for others in normal outfit.

It is bad habit that deserves no respect. These women won't dress adequately for the weather. They'll wear the same black boring abaya or headscarf day after day and cannot even sit 5 minutes at 25 degrees Celsius, without fanning themselves or turning on the AC. But they'll rant and biker about how these clothing defines them and empower them.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 7:35pm On May 12, 2019
Misinformation 8: Muslim women wearing the headscarf are doing a respectable job

Speaker: With modest lifestyle, inwardly and outwardly, like Mary, mother of Jesus, and not imitating the Kardashians, Beyonce, Miley Cyprus and the rest of the let it all out freak show. Especially with the hot weather, societal pressure, sexualization of women, making them feel unworthy or making them feel ugly if they do not go about half naked
I guess simple men too deserve some respect. As they don't go about imitating rappers or pop stars, flashing my abs and biceps, and donning the latest hair cut and ostentatious outfit for men.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 7:33pm On May 12, 2019
Love, respect, mercy, honesty, humility, generosity; these are the zenith of modesty and morality, worthy of respect. Not merely wearing a headscarf as a Muslim woman. Even Mary did not just wear an headscarf, there is a lot to her character than 'modest' dressing.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 7:33pm On May 12, 2019
On Google Images, look up indigenous tribes like Jarawa or Himba and several others living far from civilization, and see how much skin they bare. Yet they live in harmony. Their men don't roam about with erection, 'fapping', or harrassing the women who are without blouses or headscarves, or having orgies all day.

Modesty is an human construct. If there were anything so immodest about women not wearing headscarf or covering from head to toe, then God would have provided homo-sapiens clothes, ideal clothes, from genesis.
IslamRe: Hijab Propaganda by usermane(op): 7:31pm On May 12, 2019
Misinformation 7: Highest Level of Modesty & Morality is Muslim women's Headscarf

Speaker: Next time you see a Muslim woman following the example of Mary, observing the highest level of modesty and morality, dedicated to Allah, have nothing but respect for her.
The highest level of modesty and morality? You got to be kidding me. In the information age, how come do people like the speaker exist? There is nothing so modest in covering the hair.

Our fore-parents, the earliest homo sapiens, barely covered themselves with foliage or hides. And these coverings serve not for modesty, but for protection from harsh weather and environments. These folks who showered in open streams, couldn't obsess about women's hair, while they barely had enough to cover their skin.
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:20pm On May 12, 2019
Polygamy protects the interests of women and children in society. Men, in Western society make the laws. They prefer to keep polygamy illegal because it absolves them of responsibility. Legalized polygamy would require them to spend on their additional wives and their offsprings. Monogamy allows them to enjoy extra-marital affairs without economic consequences.
Well, if you need legalized polygamy to deter men from adultery without consequences, then you sure need polyandry against women who may commit adultery without consequences. Unlike the 700s, we can run paternity test for children today, there is no real challenge facing polyandry anymore.
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:20pm On May 12, 2019
Polygamy curbs extra-marital affairs

Institutional polygamy prevents the spread of diseases like Herpes and AIDS. Such venereal diseases spread in promiscuous societies where extra-marital affairs abound.
False. AIDS and Herpes spread even without sexual contact.
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:18pm On May 12, 2019
Allah(SWT) has designed the restricted polygamy to cater for the needs of the surplus women. If our systems do not cater for the needs of the surplus women, it will result into evils in society. For example, Germany after World War II, when suggestions to legalize polygamy were rejected by the Church, that resulted into the legalization of prostitution. German prostitutes are considered as workers like any other profession. They receive health benefits and pay taxes like any other citizen.
This example is weak. Women don't become prostitutes because they can't find husband. Prostitution is due to financial problems. Wake up, this is 2019, not 1945. We don't need one Alhaji marrying 2, 3 or 4 women while the bachelor down the street can't seem to find any woman.
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:18pm On May 12, 2019
Now, as for widows left behind after loss of men, these are the focus of the verse that Mr.Olai just butchered. Not married men needlessly seeking another bachelorette. Surprisingly though, Mr.Olai is unable to connect the dot and see this verse specifically addresses marriage to widows, not bachelorette as most polygamist marry.
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:17pm On May 12, 2019
Polygamy offers marriage to single women unable to find bachelors

There is normally a surplus of women in most human societies. The surplus here might not necessarily be in terms of male female population ratio. The surplus is as a result of the factors such as: men dying in wars, violent crimes, women outliving men,accident at workplace, etc. Among the surplus women are widows, old and young ones.
All of these are man made conditions affecting gender demographics. There is no certain proof that women always outnumber men naturally. There are cases where men outnumber women. According to Global Media Insight, sex demographic in Saudi Arabia is 57%(men) to 43% women.
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:16pm On May 12, 2019
Of course, Mr.Olai speaks not directly of libido but specifies child bearing. But we all know that child bearing is far from the only reason why Qur'an 4:3 is often distorted to push for polygamy. Yet, how many married men today seek a second wife in necessity for baby, as the first wife is past menopause?

Times have changed, there is no need for 10 or 16 children per household anymore. If a man seek a second wife and start seeking support from the Qur'an, there is very little chance that he needs a baby that his menopausal wife cannot deliver.
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:16pm On May 12, 2019
Now, it is true that by menopause women tend to lose their drive for sex. But even men lose their drive with age. Imagine a 55 years old man, with a 48 years old wife, and now seeking a 28 years woman as second wife, because the first wife has reached menopause.

But this man at 55 won't have as much libido as in his 30s and his libido will plummet even further by 60. What becomes of this second wife then
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:15pm On May 12, 2019
Men Have More Sex Drive than Women

A typical BS excuse. Women can have as much sex drive as men. They just tend to repress it because the patriarchal nature of our society deter them from expressing it.

Allah(SWT) in His wisdom has designed women to be monogamous while men are designed otherwise. A man can have two or more women giving birth for him at the same time. This is not possible in case of women. Women have restricted fertile life from menarche to menopause. Before menarche and after menopause, a woman cannot give birth to a child, except with the miracle of Allah(SWT).
This is false information. Why will Allah create women monogamous and men polygamous? Why not create both men and women monogamous? Wouldn't that be less unfavorable to women?
IslamRe: Qur'an & Gratuitous Polygamy by usermane(op): 3:14pm On May 12, 2019
By the underlined. I just want to first draw attention to how Mr.Olai typically skipped the first clause for this verse; "And if you fear you cannot deal justly with the orphans", and jumps right to "marry those that please you....".

Mr.Olai either copied and pasted the verse without even reading it, or intentionally cut out the first clause because he knew the very first clause he has omitted impart a different meaning from his preferred meaning.

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