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budaatum:
Yes! All the research into it has not shown it to be untrue! And not accepting it isn't is equivalent to believing there's a million pounds in an empty pocket, and I am personally not that way inclined!

There is logical explanation for reincarnation Buddha. You only need to stop this prejudice and be open minded to the discussion.

budaatum:
This is you!

Would I be correct to say you are openminded about reincarnation because you have not come across compelling evidence either way?

I'm certain that if you had compelling evidence you'd have closed your mind for or against already.

i am always willing to question my faith. Do you have compelling evidence to reject reincarnation?

budaatum:
Here is you again presenting speculation as fact!

i presented probability. And i back it up with evidence. That is not fact. Every chances of life falls on probability. There is no certainity to any phenomenom. We can only approximate. And the more our approximation is closer to the truth, the more will take it as valid evidence.

budaatum:
You'd find both Israel and Japan do not share the sort of belief in an afterlife that Nigeria has. Israel, in fact, has, on the whole, evolved their religion to very close to atheism and Japanese religion is heavily influenced by Buddhism which has no afterlife.

which isreal ?

The ultra-Orthodox, far-right Israelis who spit at 8-year-old girls on their way to school and call them ‘prostitutes’ because they are wearing a skirt, and demand that women don’t use the same pavements as men. When it comes to religion dogma. Nigeria is more liberal than isreal.


https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/battle-rages-for-moral-control-of-holy-land-1.30833


Japan is developed country, Nigeria is not. The political and economy structure influence japan society not the dogma. Nigeria economically is still a backwater. This is not because she is more religious than the former but because she lacks the political will of the former.

According to Buddha, you probably might not have come across ""Theravada Buddhism"", it is similar to Hinduism idea of reincarnation. It is believed one will recycle in birth, grow old and death (in higher lifeform or lower lifeform) again and again if one does not release from cycles of life (reach Nirvana) yet. This is reincarnation in a sense but differ from Yoruba concept ad well.

budaatum:
Well, maybe don't just assert that there is evidence for reincarnation. We would not accept assertions for creationism so you should not expect one to accept it for reincarnation.

Present your evidence for reincarnation for review please.

creationism evidence had been debunked thoroughly and there is none even to argue anymore. I repeat none... most of what they have now is not even against evolution but on abiogenesis


About reincarnation evidence, i provided a link here , go give it a read buda.

budaatum:
There is indeed more to life expectancy that a belief in the afterlife. You'd however find that nations that believe more in the afterlife are generally less developed.

Japan Shintoism does not have an afterlife that one goes to per se, unlike the Christian and Islam belief in a heaven, and is currently heavily influenced by Buddhism. And Israel is not predominantly Judaic at all!

Nations that predominantly aspire to an afterlife do not tend to spend much effort making this life heaven, on the whole at least.

i disagree with you on this Buda. Japan Shinto has a concept called Kami or yomi which is believed that human is a separate entity of the body, after death of the body , the soul another entity living in the body live forever in the land of the spirit . Japan has one of the highest long span on earth exceeding Germany the most materialistic nation in Europe by absolute number.

Isreal too has the same similar veiw of the Muslim and Christian about life after death ( heaven and hell) yet she is one of the country with highest long span on earth. Your hypothesis is flawed, there are many examples of many nations where majority believe in after life and still has the best of economy and robust political system. If Vatican is a fully independent republic, she will be one of the best country in Europe.


The belive in after life has nothing to do with development or long life span as you wanted to insinuate . It is more of economical and political structure.

NigeriaIsDoomed:
mumu kid u go cry taya

You and your country are doom. Who needs the cry more?

NigeriaIsDoomed:
cry cry baby...mumy is coming back...

Lol.. . You are doom already.

NigeriaIsDoomed:
Bla bla bla bla bla.....abeg cry me a river e dey sweet to watch mumu like you. Cry cry baby........
Make I keep you busy while you dey entertain me u kari face like burnt offer-ing

The cursed is on you "" Nigeria is doom""

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjyHZMFu7E

NigeriaIsDoomed:
u don cry finish? Na small spanking wey I give u naim u dey breathe heavily like this, if I come panel beat that empty brain naim be say u go die.

When you are stupidly ready to be thoroughly shame like before, wear your KNOWN moniker. You already established cursed on Nigerians with your moniker. ""Nigeria is doom"" which include your self and your bloodline. So compounding your problem again is like pouring table water into the sea. It is waste of time and energy. Your moniker already did the job. Mine is to identify it.

NigeriaIsDoomed:
mumu u don show your charcoal face again abi?

You and madness are like 5/6. .....it is either you or madness or it is either madness or you. You listen to psychological correction. You failed to use this moniker yesterday. You learn fast when reprimanded. Kudos.

EmperorHarry:
Interesting how you mentioned points that I did without prior knowledge on my part the post or the Yoruba version of reincarnation. Fingers crossed on the whole reincarnation thing tho cos it's only just a probability.
Although I still hold it shouldn't be seen as a consolation as you have no previous record or info of your past life subjectively but some YouTube videos I've seen have shown children that recalled their pasts lives vividly,this could just be a hoax or propaganda but that's why I still keep an open mind on the whole reincarnation theory.It could just be a valid theory.

there are YouTube video for anything you practically want. And the only means of identify geniue video now on YouTube is by who owns it.


Reincarnation is still a debate that has a lot of philosophical breakthru but yet to ratify the science lens. As an open minded individual, i am open to its possibility.

budaatum:
I've posted life expectancy of advanced China and a few other countries below for you to compare. Perhaps you'd understand why China, which used to be very heavily invested in the ignorance of the afterlife that they buried their dead with their living, now live longer than those other nations.

This is confirmation bias. Why don't you use Japan with its shintoism or isreal with its Judaism. Or even qatar with her islam. There are many factors that warrant long life. And it is more of economy and political discipline rather than religion brouhaha

budaatum:
Agreed. There's no theory discrediting the fact that I claim to have 4 heads on my two shoulders neither, so I have 4 heads on my two shoulders.[

This is not speculation buda, this is wilful thinking. It is not welcome in science.,wilfull and careless attempts aren't speculation. What you wrote there are erroneous opinion. It isn't speculation. And likewise, any persistent repetition of properly refuted, failed, debunked, discarded hypotheses, or theories, or unevidenced fanciful notions is not speculation too.


Reincarnation has gotten its own evidence, it hasn't been discarded, therefore you can't place it similar to wilful thinking.

budaatum:
Your speculation is not a theory then! There's no tests verifying reincarnation.

and neither is there any theory discrediting it

budaatum:
Speculation is what we call a theory in science. No scientist would however call a theory a scientific fact. If one did, doctoralien would have a valid point, which, scientifically speaking, he very definitely doesn't have. Unless you are prepared to argue that he does?

budaatum , scientific theory is not the same with your everyday English usage of the word ""theory"". Theory in science means something valid that have been tested overtime to be compelling and convincing base on rigorous scienctifc method. There is plenty of speculation among Scientists. Without speculation, there could be nothing to hypothesize or to test. Speculation generate raw discoveries. After this , hypothesis will be developed and be scrutinized and theory will be formed if the hypothesis is valid enough so in the bottom line, it s the testing and interpretation of observations with which we all can ultimately agree we should be debating here and not calling hypothesis unscientific. .

budaatum:
You know this is why you and I would fight vaxx! There's nothing scientific about your assertions on that thread in which you were at best, speculating.

speculation is not forbidden in science, most of science is and has always been speculation that grow to real scienctifc theory.

Speculation is the exploring of frontiers of knowledge, and toying with possibilities. It is a very useful way of finding ideas to test and then confirm or refute.

EmperorHarry:
The afterlife isn't necessarily due to a need for consolation but from a need that is inherent and the most basic needs of all living things..A need to survive.
I've planned on creating a writeup concerning this and how the need for immortality exists in different forms,one of which is the need to have a son that can carry on one's legacy thereby immortalizing oneself on earth as seen in Nigerian culture even today which may not even have to do with one's religious beliefs..Another example is the need to store up riches and wealth for one's generations which is a result of the illusion of immortality through one's offspring.This is also observable in our society today.

Truth be told though, the mind would not feel sad when considering oblivion as the end of one's existence but the body which needs to survives at all cost could influence into panic mode when considering just how infinite oblivion is.It's demoralizing to say the least.
And vaxx reincarnation is not is a consolation in that you as an identity doesn't exist anymore

i personally believe in life after death..... And this those not have anything with the known scientific evidence which only position decaying , disintegrating and decomposing as what next after death.

I did belive in it for three main reasons, 1 for consoling myself.

2 It propel my faith as a traditionalist , likewise all most every religion have their own version of life after death. Even godless faith like Buddhism

3. It made a whole lot of logical sense...



To validate reincarnation logically and scientifically. I attempt it here.....


https://www.nairaland.com/4068046/yoruba-version-life-after-death

budaatum:
I've heard that "crested and polish with a diamond chain" before, but I'd guess it's as possible as cryonics!

As they say, "a fool and his money". Except in this case it would be "a very dead fool".

i don't actually welcome the idea of cryonics, i only have 74 years more to live. That is my hope if possible but the idea of living forever is not what really interest me.

Well, it is my money and my body.... I do what i like with it.

DoctorAlien:
What is the whole Enterprise of preaching evolution if it is not the business of appeal to authority? What are you guys doing when you say things like "how many 'scientists' hold that opinion?"

You are making a big more mistake, budaatum was only playing along with your erroneous claim when You commit the fallacy.


Evolution is an open science via a vis lab science. You don't need to appeal to authority before you make a claim. I think your best contribution here so far lies with the fact that some unknown scientists says otherwise therefore evolution must be wrong......

DoctorAlien:
You mean what Prof. Richard Lewontin wrote?

You are talking about yourself right? Because Prof. Richard Lewontin spoke about himself and other scientists.

why are you appealing to authority. You are commiting a fallacy. It is not needed in this kind of discussion unless we want scrutinised their model of enquiry which is not needed.

budaatum:
People do feel a need for consolation and I blame them not. The idea of being worm food does kind of make life pointless if you think of it and can't come up with a use for your allotted time to live. But for those who can handle the truth, lies would just not do. You are born, you will live and you will die, and we will throw your dead body in a box and bury it 6 feet under so you don't stink up the living!

i am still contemplating of whether to die as a food for the termites or be crested and polish with a diamond chain hanging around my beautiful first daughter. Lol....

budaatum:
Well, whether one wants to hear it or not, one knows the truth. There's afterall not one single person on here who would not have seen what happens to their dead people.

they rather console their THINKING with paradise and hell fire. Well, i am consoling my self with reincarnation. I can theorized it but not establish it. I will be winning a noble award if I can validate it.

budaatum:
You'd be dead! As in you will not be alive anymore! Worms would be enjoying your dead rotten body!

The truth nobody want to hear

EmperorHarry:
We're on the same page here.I hope you don't see my comments as a disapproval of the evolution theory cos on the contrary I'm approving of it to an extent which I've clearly explained.


I just wanted to make it clear that evolution is still a work in progress to whom it may concern.

just like any scienctifc field.

budaatum:
Think? Why "think" ? Have you not got evidence to rely on?

When you die, we will put your dead body in a box and throw it in a hole dug in the ground where your flesh will rot and become food for worms!

will I be separated from my flesh to enjoy life elsewhere.

EmperorHarry:
Evolution is closely related to,if not adaptation which is a observable and verified phenomenon in nature. So in no way should an open minded knowledge seeker dismiss evolution due to anthropocentric or supercilious mentality such an overwhelmingly evident phenomenon as a hoax. It's very much a possibility and does no harm but it's still a work in progress and largely based on human inputs which is susceptible to errors.
Humans are related to apes and monkeys through a common ancestor. Okay!
Whales share a common ancestor which was a land animal but somehow evolved into aquatic animal with a blowhole.Okay? Probably needs more work since Darwin assumed the land animal was a "bear".
Giraffes for a while didn't have a transitional fossil until recently(which may or may not be evidence of how the giraffes neck became long).
So you see,work in progress and that's what it should be seen as.Certain evolutionists tend to give this "we have all the evidence" vibe that shows the same arrogance and close mindedness that certain creationists have.

All scienctifc theory are work in progress. Science is not an enterprises that stand still like immovable stream. Exploration, investigation , identification are non stop in science.


I am not in the mood to write much today, i will explore some of your input later ...

DoctorAlien:
It means nothing bro. If anything, these awards only signify acceptance within the ruling paradigm. Is anybody going to give you awards if you keep challenging their evolutionary teachings? We both know the answer.

I posted those pictures though to show vaxx that the people who recognized the distinction between historical science and operational science were/are high-profile evolutionists.

their idea and claim is weak then.

If there was as much of a gap as they claim, forensic sciences wouldn’t exist. . It just a common sense bro.


All science makes observations and conclusions about the past or future based on those observations. In fact, it should be easier to tell the past than the future because the past leaves evidence.

[quote author=DoctorAlien post=79331656][/quote]You see how you failed. What experiment have they perform that is currently used till date or any award they have received on evolution?

EmperorHarry:
I'm still not sure why people tend to treat evolution like it's not a work in progress. There are missing links yet to be discovered and theories yet to be made logical and rational.This doesn't mean evolution has not been observed,tested and agreed upon as a phenomenon by the scientific community just like gravity and revolution of the earth around the sun.It becomes a problem when certain evolutionists create based on extrapolation and assumptions an explanation of the origin of life due to evolution thereby creating an illusion of refuting other theories that are for the same purpose.

Evolution theory was recently tested in chemistry lab thru lab tube late last year and the winner won 1 million dollar.......


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06753-y

budaatum:
Neither of those two were creationists! I've posted about them above!

well, they don't need to be labelled a creationist before you called them one. Any idea that reject the mainstream science is a conspiracy theory.


And about them, they are not even an authority on the subject, they have NOT produce well noted experiment to validate their claim and their claim have not receive a single award from any recognised authority.