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budaatum:
Like I said, did I dig up the wrong post?

I don't see any "(DNA sequence), keyhole sequence, blood transmission sequence" nor "Secondary data (Replication of trait, pre determined event)" in your post which I've replicated below so future readers might point it out to me if you don't!

There's nothing in what you presented below that could possibly qualify as "science at school" or "literature review". Not only is it not "science", its not even "literature" either!



In fact, after reading it again, I laugh, vaxx!

case closed Buddha. Hardly can I welcome this no more. I don't spoonfed adult.

budaatum:
You presented no data at all. What you presented, in your own words was, "speculation", which you claim was a "possibility", but which so far in the entire human history has never been shown to have possibly happened. And to be honest vaxx, as usual, you don't intend to learn, but expect to ram crap down buda's throat! And you must forgive buda for stubbornly resisting!

Go read about Jung's psychological perspective on reincarnation. You'd see it's an idea that has value despite it not ever happening in the real world.

primary data ( DNA sequence), keyhole sequence, blood transmission sequence.

Secondary data ( Replication of trait, pre determined event). Yet you said i don't present any data. I doubt you do science at school not write a literature reveiw for once.


When it comes to learning, you need that advice very fast than i do.

rvp2018:
I think the parking in such critical resources will never be enough. You need to copy our model. Automate everything. By the time the truck is entering the port, his cargo is ready, he goes there, pick the cargo, get electronic tracking fitted and he is out. Logistic companies can build parking yards some kilo-meters away.

sure, Ghana( Tema) harbour system is entirely paperless and electronic driven. First country to fully achieved that in west africa. The new integrated system recently launched early this month also aim to improve the way Importers and exporters do buisness.now thru the new system, cargo from the port will be taken effortlessly so that they don’t have to stay there and the harbour don’t need their containers to be on demurrage; it also affect the charges at the port too. It is now reduced and likewise Freight charges.


The new parking yard is not build close to the port. Some few away from the port yard. Ghana port traffic is not an headache. The goverment only acted proactively before danger will loom

budaatum:
You are the one making a claim about the possibility of reincarnation. And since it's a free for all, I figured it was a good time to bring up my equally ludicrous and impossible two shoulders and four heads especially since it seems no evidence was required for either claim which, according to you, need "not be based on elements of truth".

I'd call it fantasy world myself, where one can't blatantly lie and anything is a possibility. But I honestly don't know nor live in such a world where buda has two shoulders and four heads and pigs have wings and fly!

I found your rebuttal not interesting. Seriously. I provide data and info to back up my claim. I didn't cough it out my throat Buddha. A well thought out individual will engage me on the possibility of my presentation by looking at the data I presented and how explicabe and applicable they maybe. And not replying me with ludicrous response no ones learn that way.



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rvp2018:
I am in a trucking business. I don't understand why your turn your ports into the parking area. In Kenya - when they are ready for a truck to pick a cargo - you get a call - you drive your truck - your pick the cargo - and you're back in a few hours. In fact, most cargo is stored kilo-meters away in CFS - they share revenue with port authority - cargo that pile up in port is transported inland to CFS & now IDS (inland dry ports).

GHANA case is different, the same tema that houses the port also houses Ghana oil refinery and they are using the same road. So traffic of truck is expected to build up in that area and to curb the risk posed by the parking of Tankers that does not discriminate (Bulk Road Vehicles) along the road , A park must be build.

The parking of Tanker cars, sometimes loaded with petroleum products, along these roads poses a serious Health and Safety risk to life and property. therefore no time to delay because every minute count on that road

tylann:
Good news

The road to apapa port in Lagos makes you sick

The President recently did a good job on this .......kudos...

budaatum:
Good. So we need not be considering an untrue reincarnation under the current discussion, right? And if we would, we'd add my equally ludicrous speculative two shoulders and four heads along with creationism, right?

You know what? We evolved while you were over in Kenya. You need to catch up it would seem.

Scienctifc fact are not base on element of truth, scienctifc data are approximation not certainity. If you want something to be true, you better deal with theology and philosophy.


Once you have data and info. Bring it fourth. We can examine the level of certainity of your ludicrous thought of having four head on your shoulder.

budaatum:
Good. Circle squared, again. A possibility that has proven to have never ever occurred, mind, and despite you contrary claim that you provided "DNA evidence for reincarnation", which you never did! You know buda. The buda who does not mix the fantasy in the head with actual reality.

Speculation does not make a thing true. If it did you'd not be arguing that my ludicrous speculative two shoulders and four heads is not a speculative possibility. You definitely would not have argued that creationism is invalid.

So, explain to me why you'd ask me to consider your "speculative, speculative, speculative reincarnation, hell and heaven, Yomi and so fourth...." in place of a known, "you die, we place you in a box, drop you in a hole to be food for worms so you don't stink us all up"?

i am tired of this. No where do I say reincarnation must be true and speculation must be true as well. Pls spare me this.



Scienctifc data are not base on element of truth, scienctifc data are approximation not certainity. If you want something to be true, you better deal with theology and philosophy

tylann:
Good news

The road to apapa port in Lagos makes you sick

i think the new lagos governor is working to improve the condition now while same menace is gradually building up in ikorodu lagos road due to little parking space that hardly handle 1000 lorry. The governor started very good. Let's hope for the best.


Well, Ghana just built a lorry parking space that can handle over 3000 lorry at once . Meanwhile the port expansion also come with road expansion too to accommodate and relax the coming traffic that is anticipated

tylann:
Ghana is always a progressive country
Will this be the biggest port in west africa

Yes, automatically the port is now the biggest in west africa....

Stevoh18:
Bagamoyo port is dead and buried

Ghana harbour mps terminal is going life soon. June 28. It is the biggest expansion port in west africa and will only be competing with the like of Durban port in south africa base on cargo size and tonnes... It is build with 1. 5 billion dollars...

budaatum:
You don't understand what I mean yet call it "erroneous" and "ludicrous" !?

Vaxx, is what you presented there a "theory for reincarnation using DNA and complex rebirth condition", or is it just a speculative "argument".

Have you presented your DNA evidence for reincarnation somewhere else and I missed it?

Buddha. You are somethings else. It is speculative , speculative, speculative. I have repeated this over time. I don't hold it as a valid statement but a possibility. Probability at best. The chances of it likely happen is what i presented.


Why are you unnecessarily stubborn?

budaatum:
Ok try this line from you dna evidence for reincarnation thread!

Not until i understand what you mean?

budaatum:
Here, right?

Can someone please let me know if vaxx's DNA evidence for reincarnation is any different to the 4 heads on buda's two shoulders!

This is erroneous approach to thinking. Buddha. It is ludicrous to notice you are using such line as comeback.

budaatum:
You have not done anything "scientifically and logically" regarding reincarnation, and neither did Nietzsche

You only make a statement here without any form of back up or rebuttal. That is not how to debate. I have propounded a theory using DNA and complex rebirth condition as my argument. And likewise I also argue for what are pre destined without changes whatsoever. For example black will always give birth to black and not the other way round. So your statement is aimless and non useful.




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You both "thought" about it just as I can think of my two shoulders and four heads, but which for some odd reason, you refuse to accept yet ask me to accept your equally ludicrous reincarnation, which in fact ought to be a lot easier proved than an after life!

Yours is ludicrous without any form of reasoning, more of wilful THINKING. What i propounded can be scrutinized, it has data, it has info. All these can be examined to see if the logic i brought forward are simply thoughtful, additionally, A well known authority in the corridor of emperical knowledge also share similar veiw.

You speculated and so did Nietzsche, and you did a worse job than Jung who did a lot of research into the topic and wrote extensively about the psychology of reincarnation, which I would suggest you read because its invaluable. His Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious in which he discussed reincarnation is available free online.

calling it worst or good is simply a statement from you budha not until you back up your assertion with same logic and evidence. Am i free to called your statement erroneous thinking.......

budaatum:
Here we go again! Round in a circle of your notion that you haven't heard was true.

Can you substantiate "reincarnation, hell and heaven, Yomi and so fourth" ?

i have been doing that with you. Especially with reincarnation.I created a thread that purposely hypothesized it scientifically and logically.

Why are you confused? It is not neccasrily you subscribed to it. But treating it as something unscientific or illogical is something you should not be doing. Since Science doesn’t reject the idea of reincarnation.

The question is: What kind of reincarnation? Even an authority on the subject by the name Friedrich Nietzsche already thought of it and called it, the Eternal return - (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return)

budaatum:
And my four heads on my two shoulders!

Beliefs, vaxx. I don't do beliefs!

Your four heads is a wilful thinking. I have corrected thst. You can't substantiate it.

budaatum:
What are those alternatives, vaxx the open minded?

reincarnation , hell and heaven, Yomi and so fourth......

budaatum:
I know there's no beyond! You die. You rot. Worms eat you. The end!

a close minded individual says so in the face of other alternative.

budaatum:
I'm sure someone must have said on here that noone knows what happens after one is dead too. Except me, of course.

You die. We shove your dead body in a box, dig a hole six feet deep and drop you in it to feed the worms so you don't stink up the living!

That is what we all know which is valid and anything beyond that is certainly not know.

budaatum:
So, reincarnation is not that people die and are reborn in anyway whatsoever, but that reincarnation is just a philosophical thought exercise?

I can live with that.

NOBODY knows not even science. But it is well THOUGHT out philosophical conception.

budaatum:
Vaxx, you are tiresome! We could have spent all this time speculating about and doing "science" on reincarnation if you had just accepted my claim that you were speculating instead of you claiming it was true, and which you're now claiming otherwise here.

Welcome back vaxx!

I haven't heard the notion that it was true. You are polishing that statement. Reincarnation is philosophical understanding for now that is thoroughly scrutinised and well explained.

budaatum:
You would be amazed to find that the religious police do not enforce beliefs and daily ritual in Saudi Arabia. What they enforce is the outward adherence. They do not whip people into mosques.

psychologically they enforce the inward adherence too. You selling and working at the praying hour in the kingdom is a taboo. NOBODY will be willing to be get caught in such act as Muslim.

budaatum:
It was you who mentioned scientific evidence for your reincarnation! I called it speculation. It would be like asking theist buda to provide evidence for God for an atheist. I don't go there vaxx.


A theory, vaxx. The sort that is not necessarily true, but mere speculation.

i haven't said reincarnation is true or valid here. But it is an inteligent perception to speculate. Science hasn't reject it but science will be happy if you participate in establishing its flaws or upholding the fact.

kkins25:
All this long talk self, do saudi arabian citizens, qatar, uae, spend 12 at a night vigil waiting for God to provide a helper, or give them a miraculous job?? They take their religion differently. Im pretty sure they don't blame economic downfall on disobedience to God. These countries provide practical solutions to problems. Do countries like Nigeria do the same?? They might not engage in philosophical religion as stated by buda. But they definitely do not depend on their God for everything..

China on the other hand is making the effort to destroy foreign religions like Christianity nd islam..

Those two country you mention are more faith believing than Nigeria. They hardly work, almost the techinical work there are handle by foreigners.

Saudi Arabia for instance, pays 500 dollars to her non working class which give more rooms to many lazy youth not willing to work because the social security pays more than what some of them will get if they work. They practically pay nothing for anything.

When it comes to religious activities, they engage in the rituals than average Nigeria a day. There is religion police to enforce everyone perform their daily rituals and abide by the Islamic rule.


China is not a materialistic nation.

budaatum:
I wonder if your be "curious and has patience", is not some sly way of you asking me to just accept what you are asserting?

I have no problems engaging or speculating with the implications of an idea, even of reincarnation, a topic I have explored extensively. There is however no scientific evidence that reincarnation has ever happened, nor have you provided any evidence for me to pick flaws in.

Below is a link to a short of Jung's work from The Archetypes and The Collective Unconscious (Collected Works of C.G. Jung Vol.9 Part 1) on the subject to show how valuable an idea it could be.
http://box5415.temp.domains/~sacreeh5/2013/06/07/carl-jung-on-rebirth-resurrection-metempsychosis/

Science doesn’t reject the idea of reincarnation. The question is: What kind of reincarnation? And what types of evidence are you looking to reject?


If a God can be eternal as speculated why can’t the universe?

If the universe is eternal and, as it appears that the Quantum principle of uncertainty tells us that it is finite, then what can happen, will happen, and not only once but an infinite number of times. Do you agree?

In that case, after we die, there will be a time so long that there isn’t enough paper on earth to write it down. Yet a finite number of time that we won’t experience as star dust but, if the present moment is possible, it must happen again and again, right?

Of course, this is a different type of reincarnation than what you probably thought of but … the idea isn’t new. More than a century ago, Friedrich Nietzsche already thought of it and called it, the Eternal return -

Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return)

budaatum:
I thereby speculate that Creationism is science. Case closed!

(Hmm, that don't sound as corny as I hoped! Creationism is science too, just old and ancient, or "first realm" science done by primitives and which has been superseded by the superior intellect of today.)

It would be very wrong all the same to claim creationism and reincarnation is valid. They both are very not!

creationism is not speculation. Because the idea has been in failing persistent repetition for now and had been properly refuted, failed, debunked, discarded and thier idea have been regarded as unevidenced fanciful notions.



Reincarnation is not a valid theory, that is your mistake. It is simply a speculation for now.

budaatum:
Well, I guess this is an issue of perception so I'll let it go. I would suggest to you that nations that move away from the religious and tend towards the scientific tend to have longer life expectancies. I in no way mean all nations would adapt to this rule, but on the whole, I think they do.

Here's a list of nations for you to check.

If confirmation biased is not involved. Economic and political structure influence development.


There are many list of nations there on your list with very strong religious dogma yet they live long and progressed well.

budaatum:
Hopefully you are aware that logical does not necessarily mean valid and true, nor is logical, evidence!

Still, provide your "logical explanation for reincarnation" vaxx.

It has rules and implications. It defines the domains that can be considered "true" and "false" and makes it possible to distinguish one from another.
It can be taught to anyone who is curious and has patience. Only if you have patience Buddha.

I have already established the logic and scienctifc approach to reincarnation. Yours is to go there and pick the flaws.

budaatum:
No vaxx. I'm not accepting this throw the kitchen sink approach of yours! The "problem of identity over time" was dealt with in one of Johnydon22 wonderful threads where we discussed he and my Lordreed changing bodies, and whether a ship that had all it's parts changed was the same ship it was before. They might remind me what what the thread was called so you can read it.

The "problem of identity over time" is not in any way evidence for reincarnation but philosophical speculation, at best.

speculation is science and the first realm of knolwedge. Case close.

budaatum:
A minority vaxx!

The bottom line, isreal is a religious country. No need to go forth and back.

I have not claimed Nigeria's non-development is because it is religious. I would however claim that the sort of religion practised in Nigeria is a factor in our lack of development.

what ever religious dogma Nigeria followed does not have anything to do with development. Nigeria is more liberal than Qatar and saudi Arabia yet this nation are moving closer to a developed country.

Nations that treat their religions as 'beliefs' tend to be more backward than those that have advanced to 'understanding' their religion. Israel is an 'understanding' nation, while Nigeria is a 'believing' nation.

This is erroneous claim as you have no solid proof to back it up. Even in Africa, Egypt is practically doing well than than any African country bar south Africa. Yet she is very religious.

Vaxx will teach buda about Buddhism. Lol!

Within Japanese Zen, reincarnation is accepted by some, but rejected by others. A distinction can be drawn between "folk Zen", as in the Zen practiced by devotional lay people, and "philosophical Zen". Folk Zen generally accepts the various supernatural elements of Buddhism such as rebirth. Philosophical Zen, however, places more emphasis on the present moment.

You don't need to go thru all this jokes. Not all Christian even in Nigeria believe in heaven and hell . Some treat it as a state of the mind, not all Christian belive in hell fire. Different opinion to different people. So is Buddhism. I only identify the type of Buddha affiliate with such belive.

The above applies to all religions. There is "folk religion" and "philosophical religion". Even in Yoruba religions you'd find a difference between the lay persons understanding and your's. Nations that predominantly practise "folk religion" are more likely to be more backward than those who don't. And by predominantly, I'm saying not by numbers, but by the leaders. Nations with more philosophically religious leaders progress further than nations where the leaders practise "folk religion".

This isn't true. UAE , Qatar, Saudi Arabia proof this notion wrong.

Israel is an example of a nation that practices philosophical religion, while we Nigerians practise "folk religion". 'Philosophical' nations understand. 'Folk' nations believe.

i haven't heard of any nation practicing such except from you Buddha. The bottom line isreal is religion country which gives value and interpretation to religion in her constitution. Isreal the land of Jews.

budaatum:
I know you know what evidence is vaxx, and you have not provided any to back anything up!

Why would you not accept that creationism is probably true because there is no certainty?

creationism rebuttal had been debunked over time. I repeat. And the probability of their presentation being true is moving and getting closer to zeros.

One of the philosophical apraoch to reincarnation is this concept called ""problem of identity over time"" give it a read on Google.