₦airaland Forum

tylann:
That was a short occupation not colonization
Ethiopia is a special case

i just said the right word is millitary occupation. and noting make it difference from colonization apart from permanacy. one is longer another one is shorter

tylann:
it makes alot of difference

not true, the only diffrence there is permanacy. one is temporal, another one is longer.

Ethiopian culture remains intact no influence from they colonial masters like other African countries

Another lies, many ethipoian street are name after italian names. regarding influence, not so much of Italian colony still maintain the culture. for example , libya and eritheri (not the right word) all have their umique language and cuilture due to religion influence. no african country currently speak italian as its lingual franca.

Ethiopia was never colonized it is simple as that
Those military expeditions are not colonizations

Even after showing you how wrong is that popular statement. ok continue. Ethiopia was colonized by Italy as a result of the Second Italo-Ethiopian War during Mussolini’s regime in Fascist Italy.

tylann:
Those are short occupations not colonizations

it is rather military occupations which involve land controlling, running the affairs of goverment, appointing representative and overseeing economical activities. how does that make it difference from colonization?

tylann:
But civil war is themselves to blame
When other africans were doing slave labour Ethiopians were free

Not true, Ethiopian history is filled with war. Mostly external invasion and Internal conflicts. Ethiopians have to fight the Italians, the British, Egyptians, Ottomans, Sudanese, Somalis, Eritreans and with little left over time with each other.

Britain and italy never colonized Ethiopia those were just wars and short occupations

The eastern region of Ethiopia was colonized by the British. The northern part of the region called Haud and the rest Ogaden, named after the group of people that inhabit it was also colonized Haud was part of British Somaliland. Ogaden was part of Italian Somaliland for a more than four years , when Italian Somaliland which included the eastern portion of present-day Ethiopia .

tylann:
What do you mean by untrue Ethiopia was never colonized

Historical data available suggest otherwise. it was colonised. it has touched of both british and Italian. though not as much as other african state.

Civil wars is there own problem they could solve they issues logically without picking up arms

it is easeir said than done. The United States has been quite bellicose, and its advanced democracy did not prevent a civil war in 1861 ...sometime the available option needed to forge ahead is war. well it may seems unpopular

tylann:
Ethiopia was never colonized
It should be ahead of other african countries by now do you agree

The belief that Ethiopia was never colonized is a popular one but it is untrue.

Kenya economy comes to a standstill everyyear
Should that be an excuse of poor economy growth

Yet you cant still compare a country that face 9 civil war with kenya. it is dishonest to do so..

rvp2018:
Let talk about non-man made challenges. Ethiopia droughts for example. Political difference is not a excuse.

it is an excuse, a typical example of that is what Liberia is currently experiencing, due to the known Liberia civil war, investors are scared of setting up business there due to uncertainty. same thing is happening in Nigeria north East, only few people will be willing to invest there currently. even inter trade among Nigeria states has reduce drastically.

Drought too is a also a contributing factor

rvp2018:
How is that excuse. Did natural forces cause the civil war.

political differences deserve the blame

rvp2018:
You'll never ran out of excuses. The strange country is Tanzania. It about twice Kenya and has 10m more people. More arable land and more resources. And has never had war or even romours of one. It very peaceful & has no ethnic politics. And yet it remain poorer than kenya.

In short - quit the double standards. Civil war is not natural calamity. It self-inflicted. Other countries agree to talk and resolve issues. Stupid countries go to civil war.

i am only explaining Ethiopia issue with you, which i know of very well. and as regards to Tanzania economy, you may need an expert on that

tylann:
What do you mean by Ethiopia has had a functional govt for 26 years
Civil wars is not an excuse it is there own making

That can't be taken out of the fact that the civil war contribute to the sluggish development of their economy. Ethiopia government become stable only from the past 26 years now unlike kenya..

rvp2018:
Ethiopia has twice kenya land and population.

interesting,, Putting aside the very real human cost, war has serious economic costs – loss of buildings, infrastructure, a decline in the working population, uncertainty, rise in debt and disruption to normal economic activity whoch i think contribute to the sliggish development of Ethiopia. it has potential to have more bigger gdp than ethiopia due to population.

obaaderemi:
Yes. But their economy as small as Kenya's.

Dont you tbink it is dishonest to compare both country. kenya and Ethiopia. Ethiopia has seen more than 9 civil war. The number of wars aside, it has only had a functional Government for 26 years.

They don’t seem to be doing a terrible job anyway at present.

samsobo24:
You worth arguing with

You are reasonable

We know Nigeria lacks by many indices which boils down to not having great leaders


Our GDP per capital is low,our infrastructural deficit is challenging.We haven't maximized our potential considering our population

Our point is,Nigeria remains still strong,vibrant and Great as a big brother or as an experienced soldier.You can't tell us Nigeria isn't a Big brother


We are rising up to the challenges.

Are you a Ghanian

the word big brother in this context is not applicable. china has the biggest GDP in Asia continent but she there not claim a big brother role among asia tiger's. yes is population is intimidating BUT its economy is not superior neither its development.

i am a dual citizen'.

obaaderemi:
Well, Nigeria is Africa's largest economy. That's something, and if you think it is all about the population, then look at Ethiopia.

is Ethiopia the second largest?

samsobo24:
RVP2018 and other useless insensible Africans

Tell me any reasonable project in Africa with a progress such as

EAC
Lekki deep seaport
Dangote refinery


Watch as they say EAC has two towers

I reserve the others

Now I need an answer

Which useless African city can boast if having a bigger city than kagis even with less landmass

Talk of

Economy GDP bigger than (,Accra,tema,Nairobi,Mombasa,kisumu combined I am not joking )

Infrastructure

Planned communities ( pewrinkle island, Grace field Phoenix, orange island,lekki smart city ,Ikeja,imperial international business city,Banana island[one of Africa's richest neighborhood], festac town,Snake island,Victoria Garden city )


Future projects on the continents that are promising( Jo'burg, British African city dares not)

Business( Jo'burg slightly leads )
Entertainment / Nightlife


After completing the EAC there wouldn't be any better city than it,that's why its one of the worlds most advanced city


Its a pity that our Ghanian brothers are only disgracing themselves by rubbing shoulder with Nigeria

You don't measure a country by his outer appearance alone, you have to look inward to check how the people are fearing. if so we can say dubai is more developed than london. which everyone know it is not true.

The true measure of a developed society is to observe the people that live in the country and not the appearance of the country itself.

The biggest consumers of luxury products in africa are Nigerian people, not ghanian or kenyans. The more developed you are the less need you have to validate your self worth with materialism. The less desire you have to spend thousands of dollars on your children's schooling just to send them to be educated abroad. The less need to travel to countries like united kingdom or USA for giving birth so that your child becomes a US or british citizen, or to launder your money by buying up real estate in other countries. Developed countries do not need to do things like that. this is what Nigerians are known for.

theenchanter:
the best economy shouldn't be by gdp per capita but sectors contributing to it and their significance in d economy. Finally, d sectors must be sustainable.

sure, i agree with you. GDP per capital also is good indicator, that canot be taken out.

theenchanter:
the highest country in respect to gdp per capita doesn't have d best economy in africa.

That is debatable., especially when you factor in inequality and equality.

obaaderemi:
Clap! Clap! Clap! I couldn't have put it better. Nigeria is home to some of the most gullible people on earth. They would easily believe the worst about Nigeria but when they finally get the chance to experience life in some of these other African countries they are hailing, then reality dawns on them and they realize Nigeria is truly king of Africa or rather; king in Africa (as goel would say)

As long as i will defend Nigeria if lies were written against it. i will also criticized it when needed. Nigeria is not king of africa and it is proven in all ramifications. A step outside Nigeria will tell you more.
Nigeria is the biggest economy, but it is not the best economy. Nigeria has the largest economy partially because they are the most populated country in Africa. About one in 5 Africans is Nigeria. Nigeria has about 180 million people today. . ...Kenyan on nairaland are contesting the figure.

To know the biggest economy, look at their overall GDP.
To know the best economy, look at their GDP per capita.

Bravennice:
Please am new here oh, i want someone to advise me on how to find my way to Mauritius its my dream destination legally,
how do i pick the flight ticket from Lagos, how to book hotel and to know also how to get to Port Luis that's where i dream to live.. before the year runs out.
thanks

The only way i know to there is thru education. try middle sex university Mauritius branch. it is UK university.

rvp2018:
Nigeria, Kenya and Ghana are very similar in nearly all aspect. The same north-south divide. The same economic profile. The difference are subtle.

We have established Nigeria will never and has never conducted census. And even if they did - we would still verify their data by cross-referencing them with third-party data sources.

Every Nigeria knows their population is inflated. The issues is by how much.

this is even enough to answer this, Nigeria is a nation in a very precarious state. it has one of the porous borders in africa and that made it possible for illegal immigrant, undocumented people from neighboring countries to find their ways into the country.

This in this case is not an issue in Ghana. Ghana has praga which border it to burkina faso, elubo which border it to Abidjan and aflao which boarder it to lome. and all these boarders are well secured. . can't say much of kenya. Nigeria has so many unregistered boarders. ogun state as a whole has more than five rought to Benin republic.

Just30:
2/3of Ghana's population is under 30

good, this data is taken from statistical service. right. do you know ghana population is currently 29 .5 milliom according to tbe statistics. agency

Jonraid:
That was his point exactly. Unreliable census data. This should all boil down as to what number is the most expected maximum and the most expected minimum in regards to Nigeria's population!

The Nigeria bureau of statistics is the responsible agency for that even if it is not realiable. using the past figure which is 140 million in 2006 and a population growth of about 2 percent yearly according to United nation. you should arrive at your figure. even if at all, you doubted the figure, you may decide to subtract an amount of 20 millions from the first data, which i think it is too much, the number you will still get should stull be between 180/182 million

rvp2018:
There are ways to knows if data is manipulated.

Let me give you one example. Number of telephone/mobile subscription.

Ghana pop is 28-30M. It's active subscriber base is 35M.
Kenya pop is 47-48M. It's active subscriber base is around 46.4m (4th Q of 2018).
Nigera pop is 200M. It's active subscriber base is 140m (3rd Q of 2018)

Nigeria active subscriber base is 140M as 3rd Q of 2018 (http://www.osundefender.com/nigeria-records-140m-phone-subscriptions-third-quarter/)
Kenya Active subscribe base is 46.4M (https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/Ring-up-our-unique-subscribers-for-true-mobile-penetration/4259414-4929584-138mpmc/index.html)

Both these 3 countries have the same profiles - lower -middle class sub-saharan countries.

If you accept Nigeria pop is 200M.

Trust me it's mobile subscriber base would be 250-300M. That is because generally some people will have 2-3 lines.

We already know for a fact that it's population is manipulated and corrupted in the race to get bigger share of oil revenues & political seats at Abuja.

We can therefore conclude that based on mobile subscriptions it numbers are around 150M

That is not an idle guesstimate.

CIA/IMF/WB will never question any country - even Somalia - figures. Those are accepted as fait accompli. If you question any country figures then you'd need 3000 plus pages of arguments.

This is not a rigourous way to determine the amount of people living in non homegenuous society like Nigeria. Nigeria has a country is completely different from Ghana and kenya., and when it comes to moblie phone subscriber. you forgotten to take note of the accont that more than half of Nigeria youth are under 30. ( which means this is a high chance that there still exist an high percentage of Nigerians who are not mobile subscriber and likewise the old ages. you are not factoring all this inclusive

the trusted way to conduct census is the one obtained by demographic technique called population projection.

countriy with highly non reliable vital registration and immigration and emigration records like Nigeria may even be underestimated.

Jonraid:
if it's true that they haven't hold a credible census as of late why would he then trust the numbers? We can only give those numbers a benefit of doubt just because only one body is required to provide the census information! That explains why the WB and other bodies rolled on with the Nigerian figures!

A sensible question there... Nigeria fragile political structure and the Federal Government poor budgetary allocation may be some of the reasons. The only credible statistics we have as of now it is the one from Nigeria bureau of statistics. why? because it is the only government official representative on such account. i agree to some extent, there may be some margins of error, but this error can not be over balloon because of economical implication.

And if you go by the united nations data, Nigeria population is growing by 2 percent per year , so just do tbe calculations with a lesser gap of 20million from 2006 and see what we get, it should give you nothing less than 180 million people.

rvp2018:
Read there damn fool. Let argue about other stuff - not the OBVIOUSLY MANIPULATED NIGERIA STATS.

In 2013, the former chairman of the NPC, Festus Odimegwu, managed to talk himself out of a job with a series of controversial comments. 24 out of the NPC’s 35 commissioners asked the president to fire him from his job as they had lost all confidence in him. Before then he had been queried by the presidency for giving newspaper interviews where he said there had never been a credible census in Nigeria, including the one in 2006, and that the 2016 one which he had been charged with conducting was doomed to fail

.You need to be educated first before we can argue. i will only argue with you when i sense a presence of inteligence in you , until then, i will be correcting your ignorance by educatiing you.

rvp2018:
You sound more obtuse than the usual Nigerians we deal with here. I will the last person to accept Nigeria crap statistics.

Read that article for some context. The only credible census in Nigeria was one conducted by Brits. We can use that project. The CIA obviously knows that.
https://qz.com/africa/1221472/the-story-of-how-nigerias-census-figures-became-weaponized/

You in particular have been pulling a lot of crap and bullshit from your anus and calling it a valid point. i am here to correct that hogwash of yours, your silly attempts to rubbed Nigeria in the mud by telling the Nigerian statistical data is unreliable is unfashionable. because we aren't delluded to be brainwashed.


you went in there , insert your hands into your anus and brought out a links without examine it what other credible evidence available. just because the Articule state what pleases your preconsive ignorance. the only reliable data on Nigeria population is Nigeria bureau of statistics. and anything contrary to that is a statement of ignorance. even if at all, there is a margin of error for political benefit, it should be within the minimum acceptance because of economical implication.

rvp2018:
CIA - the best they can do is project Nigeria official figures - so let's not sweat it. I don't know what evidence you need is something self-evident. Nigeria population figures have been manipulated since 1960s!

Nothing is self evident here, if you can't provide a reliable figure that state otherwise. you don't make argument on a personal statement. that is consider a child joke. work with proven statistics and lets examine such evidence.

CIA can only forcast figure based on the available evidence. if the current populations figure is wrong ttben their projection will be wrong too.

rvp2018:
First I don't even know what CIA you're talking about because you gave me a dead link. But I know no official body like CIA or IMF will engage Nigeria on it's fake numbers. Academians have that license though.

The list i gave you wasn't dead. you may need to go revisit it again.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/print_ni.html


you haven't give a valid reasons as to why the number is fake, you cant just compose a statement and hold it as true. if you have gotten the fact that is opposite of that figure, present it here , and lets examine it.

rvp2018:
CIA, IMF, WB and name them have no option but accept whatever Nigeria says is their stats. They cannot come and count Nigeria or it's economic activities so they can verify. Generally countries want to get those stats right for their own planning sake.

You still have no reasons to believe otherwise, CIA is an America inteligent unit which is much interested in Nigeria figure for economical reasons, it makes them plan ahead in the matter of investment or any issues that relate to economical benefit. . there was a time Nigeria was recorded to be a suitable ground to japan for a direct investment . these are part of tbe statistics study to come with such conclusion.

Lagos state roughly may even be more than that figure, if uncounted figure like thousands of birth and deaths that still go unrecorded on a daily basis are factored in.

Kur17:
Nigerians and several other African countries are going thru hell, the killings and instabilities are too much and the world is ignoring them...
Kenya is a very special country that the world pays attention to...

do you really think the west really care about African development, our woes are their succes one just need to listen to news networks and one will seldom see an African country making headline news for anything but its internal strife, war or some rampant plague like Ebola. War is often a cause of “influence”, but obviously for all the wrong reasons.

rvp2018:
Nigerian census like it's stats are rigged. The population is probably 150M - not 200M.Lagos city probably has 7-8M - not 20M the state governor claims. The economy is ridiculously overstated. The agriculture sector is the most inflated.

There is no reasons to believe otherwise. at leat if Nigeria goverment can not be trusted. this is American agent accepting the data.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.html.

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