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To some of us who rely so much on scientific truth about the origin of the universe.....

Science is incapable of telling us the truth.....why?

science work with how and not why ?

science observe phenomenon
In science, how questions are easier than why ones
science make theories and do experiments to determine how it works and not why it work
science settle on the best model that predicts the phenomenon accurately.
science keep refining the model of how it works. keep testing it but not why it works....

this is the simple reason why science will failed to tell us the simple truth about the origin of the universe...... Why is lacking from scientific method........

Energy is a property of matter... All matter are created at the big bang.....therefore we can assume energy has a source and its source is the big bang....... Even energy we consume on earth today mostly come from the sun..... But the question is what trancend the big bang? What power the big bang? Am sure any logical person will not say its energy......

budaatum:
'My friend' has not said what I posted is not what was meant. However, please post the meaning you mean. People will learn from it.

natural has a much broader meaning. Within science, the term natural refers to any element of the physical universe — whether made by humans or not. This includes matter, the forces that act on matter, energy, the constituents of the biological world, humans, human society, and the products of that society.this what we are debating

budaatum:
natural/ˈnatʃ(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
in accordance with the nature of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.
(of a parent or child) related by blood.
(of a note) not sharp or flat.
relating to earthly human or physical nature as distinct from the spiritual or supernatural realm.
(of a bid) straightforwardly reflecting one's holding of cards.
noun
a person having an innate talent for a particular task or activity.
a sign (♮) denoting a natural note when a previous sign or the key signature would otherwise demand a sharp or a flat.
an off-white colour.
a hand of cards, throw of dice, or other result which wins immediately, in particular:
an insect or other small creature used as bait, rather than an artificial imitation.
a person born with a learning disability.

your friend is scientific decline..... The word natural in scientific perspective has a different meaning from the general acceptance ......pls try to verify the scientific meaning...... It is different....

FeelDeMusic:
Oh, I see. Well that's pretty cool, I like that idea! Especially if it's only amungst people who you trust.

yes, it will not be just anyhow.... It will be an approval from both side

tintingz:
So from what you posted, where's the problem I've, I want to accept correction now.

You can start stating examples of what's consider Natural and what is not. Thank you.

game over..... Maybe we will play play station 4 of it next time.....anyway you are a good player.....

bennyann:


Seriously, because of tintingz, I lost the meaning of natural along the way. If everything physical is natural, then what can we refer to as artificial or abnormal?

This thread is really a comic relief.

The problem with tintingz is he is arguing from both side of the mouth....the way he postulate is argument was very wrong....he base its argument on science and he was given general divination of natural...... Natural according to science refers to any element of the physical universe — whether made by humans or not. This includes matter, the forces that act on matter, energy, the constituents of the biological world, humans, human society, and the products of that society. But is stubbornness will not let him to learn..... He is just grasping at the straw anyhow.....you see he is not ready to accept correction.....

FeelDeMusic:
So you want this to sort of be like a video-sharing web site? Like Youtube?

that is a nice idea also. But what I actually mean is where we can socialize on the web cam.... where we can really see each other..... It can be private that will support video conference among monickers that care for each other

hopefulLandlord:
Okay, this makes it clearer now

In your belief, the memories and everything else in previous life are still there, they aren't "removed" but rather "hidden"

Thank

yes they are there and they affect your current life...... it is the same DNA

tintingz:
I don't know either, therefore yawning is not Natural? Yes?

ok

interesting...... i will also request for video blogging in the future

tintingz:
Vaxx,

Yawning is natural, can you tell us what caused it?

i do not know, educate me Mr intellectual. your student vaxx is loyal

FeelDeMusic:
Hey Vaxx,

I emailed you yesterday. Did you receive my message?

i do not have the password to the email address anymore....

budaatum:
You bloody Russian Commy! Always coming up with the contrary view to that which the western world would brainwash people! The west after all does believe it can predict and place numerical/quantitative value on human behaviour.

No one disappoints buda o! (Are you placing value on buda, vaxx?) Even my gnat, Sciencewatch, whom I miss with my heart and soul as the dear pants for water does not reach such depths. We all learn something new here and should perhaps temper our supposedly infallible arrogance somewhat.

LOL....mr budaatum.. sciencewatch is actually reading this post..... i do not have the tools to place value on you. i can only assume....that is what i dey do o bross

tintingz:
I don't know where the universe came from therefore it's not Natural? Yes?

Your case is beyond me.....tintingz

tintingz:
Didn't I said I don't know where Homosexuality came from or what caused it? Where is pseudo-scientific here?

The fact that we don't certainly know how sexual orientation (in both humans and animals) came to be now doesn't mean it's not Natural.

The fact that we certainly don't know the origin of the universe doesn't mean it's not Natural.

My argument here is not all phenomena that are natural are positive neither all are negative.

BROS biko try to learn and accept mistake. i take the flying spaghetti monster beg you.....do no say it is natural. simply say you do not know . it will have save you from this embarrassment.

tintingz:
We don't know where it came from, maybe God created Homosexuality.

Or Humans invented sexual orientation.

LOL, let me just clarify you out. all the research you have been reading about it are pseudoscience . and that is why advance country in Science like Russia go against it. if you are somehow close to scientific method , you will know it is difficult to study human and animal behavior...Science formulates testable theories that have more or less the same result whenever or wherever you do it (it is consistent and reliable). With human and animal behavior, you can't really put a numerical/quantitative value on human behavior. In other words, one cannot simply predict human behavior because it is just not as consistent or reliable.not to mention it is susceptible to cultural differences... i hope this should help you. AND PLEASE YOU NEED TO GROW IN YOUR ATHEISM..... you disappoint respectable folk like budaatum

tintingz:
Where did you dealt with my position?

There are Homosexuality behavior among both humans and animals.

Your question is like asking what brought heterosexual if not human?

ok, there we go again.... Mr shifty.... will you see your flaws again... you once says it is not invented by human, instead of you to correct your fallacy there. you are answering me with question... when you are the one who make the fallacy in the first place. answer this question thrown to you first , then return yours to me... WHERE DOES HOMOSEXUALITY COME FROM? e be like say you are changing your position on the nature small small.

budaatum:
You mean, "lets see it this way", as in according to your senses, which you are trying to make out is some sort of common sense!?

(vaxx, see that obj/sub thing again?)

Well, you may look at it like that, but that's not how it is at all!

If a man rapes another man, he is treated the same as if he raped a woman or a donkey. It is not the same as if a man comes up to another male and says, "another male, you wanna fuq?" It would only be rape if the another male says, "No, thank you", and the man forces himself on the another male!

You are talking about approval from the victim side....if the male partner decide to give a go ahead then fine but it should not promote the idea as something that should be acceptable in the society that go against it. Russia has a country dealt with gay issue as if it is pedophile act... in such a community gay will be prohibited ..... but in a country where majority support it. it is allowed but individual right will be protected... so it all boil down to what is good for the goose, its also good for the gander... the idea should not be promoted in our environment(NIGERIA to be precise) because it go against our cultural norms and heritage..... unless you are against social development...

tintingz:
Homosexuality is natural because it was not invented by humans, so tell me how it's not Natural.

you are just shifting the goal post. after your logic had been dealt with properly. but your over sabi will not let you see. so lets continue with
the word game... so what brought homosexuality if not human?

tintingz:
So how is Homosexuality invented?

I'm yet to get the flaws.

You're talking about invented things, my argument is about Homosexuality, what can be observe in natures.

that premises is on you to defend. you call it natural. don't you? please defend it first?

butterflyl1on:
The guy is beyond confused at this point

he is just unnecessarily arrogant . he does not want to accept that he is wrong.....

tintingz:
The necessity to invent a laptop is observable and Natural.

We are not talking about invented things oga.

so what are we talking about? you will flawed again as usual...

budaatum:
According to his senses, he has not made one. And vaxx is dealing with him. It is by the way one of vaxx's virtues to patiently dig these things out.

Asking seun to provide evidence for his existence, and treating his existence like that of god, is a grave error, and comical at the least.

I think s.hen case is just to play some mental gymnastic..... butter actually knows he exist....

tintingz:
Not a mistake buddy, you're the one not getting it.

If something is observable in this our natural world e.g Homosexuality, is it natural or not?

yes sir it is natural according to you... so can i also say my laptop is observable... therefore it is natural?

tintingz:
So what do we consider natural?

You are more intellectual than i do. you should be the one educating me .... go ahead bro..... make a five minute research on google... your student vaxx is loyal ..... i accept what you saying earlier as a mistake.

tintingz:
I'm yet to see the Flaws.

Use microscope

tintingz:
I modified the post.

Here's my response,

Humans are naturally unsatisfied - cyber attack

What caused explosion?

Which hazardous? Natural disasters?

Nairaland and Nigeria are communities - it's natural for humans to socialize and be together in a community.

What caused this bestiality? Is it a disorder?


When you have better flaws, point them out.

ANOTHER FLAWS AGAIN.... WHY? FLAWS UPON FLAWS.... i can not deal with it this time maybe someone else....

will science be able to explain the causes of gay related immune deficiency syndrome, currently know as AIDS. NO but why?

science work with how and not why ?

science observe phenomenon
In science, how questions are easier than why ones
science make theories and do experiments to determine how it works and not why it work
science settle on the best model that predicts the phenomenon accurately.
science keep refining the model of how it works. keep testing it but not why it works....

this is the simple reason why science will failed to tell us the simple truth about LGBT

tintingz:
And have i responded they are not natural?

Humans are naturally unsatisfied - cyber attack

What caused explosion?

Which hazardous? Natural disasters?

Nairaland and Nigeria are communities - it's natural for humans to socialize and be together in a community.

What caused this bestiality? Is it a disorder?


When you have better flaws, point them out.

self defeating statement...... i thought you become an atheist due to your high level of intellectualism?

tintingz:
And have i responded they are not natural?

This is a self defeating statement, so what is your explanation about homosexuality? why do you still suggest to the idea that it is natural?
when evidence has been given to you that your premises is wrong?

tintingz:
Why not list them out?

GOOD...... THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING....



if cyber attack is not not natural , cyber attack will not have existed...
if explosion is not not natural , explosion will not have existed..
IF blackout is not natural ,power service disruption will not have existed...
if hazardous is not natural. hazardous material will not have existed.
if nairaland is not natural, nairaland will not have existed....
if Nigeria is not natural, NIGERIA will not have existed.
if bestiality is not natural, bestiality will not have existed...
if LGBT is not natural, LGBT will not have existed... to be continue...... enough of your flaws......