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This is what science says....man are animal...we inherit this body from our earlier primate and that is more than many thousands of year...I have a question here?
Why is our flesh not the same....the fish flesh is different from snake and while snake flesh is also different from sheep....?...

Creationist.... Human are not animal...we are difference.... We are smarter and have morals.. my question how smart is human to determine that he is more smarter than apes? There was a scientific report that proof chimpanzee has a good memory capacity

Any one to solve the puzzle?.... But before that ....sport the difference

JackBizzle:
Since we are voting for the most stupid threads on the rigious section, this should ne a hot contender?

Cc hahn, hopefullandlord,

you are rude in your statement ,be polite for once....it will not take your liberty

I am not an atheists ...but I condemn this utterances of yours..... There is freedom of worship and thought in Nigeria.


The best you can do to them is to talk to them in good manner.......even if they are rude, show them simplicity.. Let them see the beauty of religion in you.....

butterflyl1on:


Of course when exposed you switch to the liar rant again.

I have also mentioned here with my butterflylion moniker that my farm is in the bush and I remember telling someone that I would now be looking out for evolutionary relics so I can claim a reward based on a certain thread by Felixomor .

If I had not also said this back then, you can then say I lied when I said my piggery is in the bush.

The path that leads to my farm is a heavy grazing zone for their cattle and we have become very familiar with ourselves as I pass and return. I sit and chat a lot with them. They are very friendly if you know how to approach them.

From the road to my farm is too far to walk so I have a bike aka okada I use. I have a farm hand who lives on site (a villager). My farm is fully fenced so nobody comes in and no pig goes out unless when conveyed out or killed and its body parts conveyed to the market.

why are you trying to prove yourself. It is okk.... Don't you see they are cashing fun....they know you are right.... Trust me jackblise and dalama are your best friend .....try to observe it.....

dalaman:
Constitution and reality are very different things my brother.

I agree with you...but your right is protected under the law that is what am letting you to know.... I know society may not accept you.... Becuse atheism idea is strange in Africa....read this meme

dalaman:
The law that has protected many people that were killed on religious grounds is where?

The law that protects christians who are trying to build their churches in many parts of the north is where? Same goes for the muslims that can't erect their mosques in many parts of the south.

this is what Nigeria constitution says...under the law you are protected....

Section 38 (1) of the 1999 constitution and Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Right, provide:“Every person shall be entitled to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, including freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom (either alone or in community with others, and in public or private






You can defend yourself if issues arises..

Proudgorgeousga:
ta which freedom ask Muhammad bala what happened to him in kano when he came out as atheist.

In fact say you are an atheist and run for election lets see what happens.

Or even as a traditionalist sef

per constitutional right the law protect you...

dalaman:
Stop talking fantasy. The reality is very different.
Christians and Muslims are not allowed to worship freely in many parts of the countries. There are many parts of the north where christians are not a lower to build churches, same goes for muslims. There are some parts of the south where they are not allowed to build their mosques.

let me tell you, you have the right in constitution to practice whatever you belive...society may reject you but the law protect you ...

JackBizzle:
You can be fired from a job if you're an atheist. That should be illegal
NYSC and hospital staff will abuse you if you want to leave the religion blank space empty on registration forms or worse put "atheist" and see what happens.
An atheist was put in an asylum right here in Nigeria by his family. Even police supported it. If not for humanists abroad, he would have been locked up as a mad man forever

this your post captured my mind... There is freedom of worship in Nigeria base on what we have in the constitution...

I have never witness any attack on atheist before though....

JackBizzle:
You should really think before you post. Your picture says "You will forever be a slave as long as you are relying on another race for the definition of God"

Yet, here you are with christianity. A foreign Jewish religion brought to you by the British.


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j think you are missing the link bro...it also address you...read careful...I am not a Christian...

JackBizzle:
10) Atheism is a white man's philosophy
This is a widespread ignorant belief held by many Nigerians due to the fact that they have always been surrounded by religion- christianity, islam and ATR. They fail to realise that there have always been disbelievers with every religion in every continent. Were there not blasphemers in your village before the white man came? Atheists generally have been careful to hide their beliefs so that they won't be harmed. There are many Nigerian atheists who have never even been out of Nigeria, yet they became atheists.

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9) Atheists only believe in science
This is another misconception about atheism. Since a lot of atheists use facts and scenitific research to argue, the christians at the end of such arguments feel that atheists just follow whatever scientists tell them. Atheism has nothing to do with science. Science and logic are just the best ways of pointing out that God/religion are unnecessary. Some atheists do not even understand science- they just have a sceptical mind. Atheists are human beings like you- they love, they drink, they play, they fight.


Atheism is a result of bad parenting.
Many ignorant nigerians believe that because atheist nigerians come from religious households, their (the atheists') parents must have failed in teaching them the religion. This is not so. People leave religion due to evidence or some experience. You cannot lock everyone's brain to a religion. People change. People grow. People progress.


7) Atheism is a cult
Many ignorant Nigerians do not understand atheism and since it is not inline with their religion, they accuse it of being a cult. A good example of this ignorance is the belief held by many Pentecostal Nigerians that the catholic church is a cult- despite the catholic church being a much older and bigger church than their own


6) Atheism is a religion
This is one of the more dubious lies done not in ignorance but of hatred. Many christians and muslims know that their religions are problematic, so they too try to rope atheism in the problem as well by calling atheism a religion. They see atheists coming together to criticize their religion and they use this as a way to get back at the atheists. How can atheism be a religion? Are there gods in atheism? Is there any mode of worship? How can a lack of belief be a religion? Do atheists have any rituals? If I put 100 atheists in a room, would you find one single thing that ties them all together? No!


5) Atheism is the reason for communism and communist killers
Yes, state or forced atheism came as an integral part of communism but then, not all atheists are communists. Atheism is not a political party or a political doctrine. In fact, communism is more anti-religion or anti-theist than atheist since it kills religious people. Atheism is an empty disbelief and therefore it cannot be a motive for murder or politics. There have been many atheist presidents who have never been tyrants or murderers. In fact, the best president of recent times is an atheist- Jose Mujica of Uruguay.

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4) Atheists are fools
Many nigerian christians and muslims believe that atheists are fools for two reasons
1) A gaping, colossal pit of hellfire awaits the ignorant unbelievers
2) The bible/quran both have unflattering descriptions for unbelievers
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Atheists are not fools- they are human beings like you. Atheists just do not believe in hell or the quran or the bible. Furthermore, research shows that atheists/irreligious people tend to be smarter in general, compared to religious people. In fact, some of the smartest people on earth today are atheists. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-8758046.html ......it is also important to note that there are millions of religious people who are smart, if not smarter than atheists.


3) Atheists want to eradicate religion
This is one of the biggest fears of many ignorant and or dubious religious folk. They assume that atheists just hate religion and want to see it gone. There are good and bad atheists, just like there are good and bad religious people. Most good atheists, just like most good christians just want to enjoy their freedom to believe what they believe. Also, many atheists also want there to be separation of church and state- this also leads to the confusion that atheists want religion gone.


2) Atheism is satan's plan to deceive unbelievers in the end times
Atheists do not believe in Satan or any other deity. Full stop.



1) Atheists have no religion/God, hence they lack moral grounding.
This misconception is one of the biggest ones that atheists keep having to deal with. Many religious Nigerians seem to believe that morals come from the bible/quran. No- there are many sources for morality- logic, family, society and culture. Morality does not come from your religious books- or else, we would still be having slaves and killing blasphemers. Take the issue of human cloning- where did we get the morality to be against it? There is nothing against cloning in any religion or holy book- we all (christians, muslims, atheists hindu etc) came together in the form of united governments to say "no" to the terrible science of human cloning.







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no cultural minded Africa should be an atheist....it is a taboo

JackBizzle:
I was talking about living in those countries and not passing through

Qatar, uae ,saudi Arabia is a second home to many Nigeria... Lampedusa in italy is a home of Nigeria migrant

JackBizzle:
Really? You got numbers to prove such?

I for one know that half of the CV's I receive are from people who have working experience in the UK and USA and sometimes Canada.

Who in his right mind would choose to go to Saudi or Rome.....even islamic refugees run to Germany, holland and UK.

if you want to know the statistics.... Go to the consulate office.. Or better still ministry of foreign affairs in abuja.

Qatar ,uae, saudia Arabia are more easier to migrate to than any of the aforementioned countries...

Italy is very close to Libya....many nigeria migrants pass the route to other countries in Europe....

butterflyl1on:
Your mumu is blowing the charts on the Richter scale. Where is Rome? Is Rome not the capital of Italy? So Nigerians do not like going to Italy?

Where do Nigerians go for Hajj or pilgrimage?

A lot of Nigerians live in Israel and Saudi Arabia. In fact Nigerians are found in practically all the nations of the world.

And no, Nigerians do not prefer any nation above the other. It depends on the purpose of your trip and where you believe you can find what you seek in life.

Anyway sha that one no concern me. Answer my questions.

you surprise me for debating his assumption... Little did he know there more Nigerian living illegally and legally in saudi Arabia than USA, little did he know they are more Nigerian living in isreal than Canada...litttle did he know they are more Nigerians living in italy than any European country except UK... He may know but prefer to argue.. Though

ScepticalPyrrho:
Maybe some other time, please.

ok bro.... Once again I value your mental stability

JackBizzle:
Another brain dead post.


7. You envy places like Israel, Rome and oil rich Saudi Arabia, but learn how to dislike Redemption Camp, MFM Camp, etc., because they make us more religious and underdeveloped than those countries who rely heavily on religion.


How many Nigerians, not to talk of atheists do you see going to live in Saudi, Isreal or Rome? Nigerians prefer USA, Canada or UK....even China.


Bros, go siddon

you are welcome.... I appreciate your mention

ScepticalPyrrho:
Nope, the argument never ends... That proves God's existence cannot be proven by arguments.

ok...it is to broaden each other knowledge.... That is all...I don't argue to win...I learn

Acidosis:
1. Sometimes the evidence that God exist is so solid and undeniable that it is easier to give up your belief or worldview BUT constantly learn how to generate quick excuses on google why the evidence is false.

2. Learn how to type, and use the word "God" at least 10 times daily on Nairaland to affirm the fact that you don't believe in Him. Make sure you talk more about God than Christians.

3. You read the story of that wall-trapped boy that sang for 3 days in Ondo state but couldn't comprehend. You run to google but still couldn't find any 'rational" or plausible explanation as such do not occur in those countries you believe to be atheist-dominated. Don't give up, continue to defend your unbelief.

4. You have never left the shores of Nigeria, but somehow, learn how to convince yourself that white men and westerners don't serve God.

5. Make sure you vote for kleptomaniacs and illiterates, and learn how to blame your electoral and socio-economic misfortunes on Pastor Adeboye - a man you have never met.

6. You are aware that T.B Joshua Ministries attract the highest number of foreigners into MMA but still convince yourself that without religion, Nigeria will attract the highest number of foreigners, and MMA would become the busiest airport in the world.

7. You envy places like Israel, Rome and oil rich Saudi Arabia, but learn how to dislike Redemption Camp, MFM Camp, etc., because they make us more religious and underdeveloped than those countries who rely heavily on religion.

8. Criticize Jesus Christ in the midst of Christians because you're convinced Jesus preaches love, but never in your life time talk about Mohammed in the midst of Muslims. Talk about the God of Christians, but keep mute on the God of Muslims.

9. Do not believe in prophecies and revelations, but when you dream and it comes true, pretend like you never dreamt and continue to convince yourself why dreams are false.

10. Whenever you wish to criticize a man of God, avoid people like Pastor Mike Bamiloye or Pastor Kumuyi, and learn how to call those with questionable characters. Use them as cases in point, and draw a generalized statement that all men of God are scam.

11. Believe whatever a ma.d man tells you whenever you're engaging in Baba Ijebu (Lotto), but slam prophecies and revelations from men with proven sanity.

12. When your account is empty, convince yourself that only the poor pray. Whenever you see Saraki with 500 Alfas from Ilorin, convince yourself that religion is for poor men. Whenever you see Mrs. Alakija in a church, convince yourself that religion is the opium of the people.

13. Finally, when you get tired or run out of ideas to defend your new found belief, continue to defend anyway, at least for the sake of your new found crush who doubles as the owner of a popular website.

number 7 is a powerful observation....

ScepticalPyrrho:
And what do they prove?

I am creating a new thread.... Where we can have a philosophical debate...I will give you a mention....just I and you...do you accept the challenge...

hopefulLandlord:
I did consider your reply bro but such a reply can only come from someone who didn't read my post, in fact that was what made me give up

you didn't bring out any flaw in my argument, my post there had no flaws cuz it was meant to simply show exceptions, I however brought out a flaw in yours aka "Etymological Fallacy"

I'm not assuming anything and I learn everyday too, from many people

peace bro....

ScepticalPyrrho:
First of all, there is nothing like empirical arguments...

Arguments from design are just postulations there nothing testable about it. There is a reason we call scientific proofs as findings or discoveries... Have any theist discovered God through an argument?

Where have men tested or measured any design to discover God?

You are wrongly equating the postulations based on reasons to scientific statements which can be substantiated because the objects of discussions are concrete.

according to Wikipedia...this is what empirical mean



Empirical evidence, also known as sensory experience, is the knowledge received by means of the senses, particularly by observation and experimentation. The term comes from the Greek word for experience, ἐμπειρία (empeiría).

When religious foks argue using complexity in the design... They are not testing God... They are testing the complexity in the design....

butterflyl1on:
A lot of the atheists actually believe they are and that is just a stupid and pathetic mentality to have. When anyone is like that all they want is to talk and you must listen. Even before you speak they have concluded in their hearts that all you have to say would not make sense and is stupid. This is what i have seen on Nairaland within the short time I have been here.

it shows that their path to atheism isn't even logical..... Most of this dude are just arrogant to religion nothing more it isn't because they are intelligent ........I can bet you, most of the argument is copy and paste....though I exempt one person....agentofalllah....


The last time you engage that dude on design argument.... You point out a lot of his error..instead of him to agree...he turn it to a insult contest....

hopefulLandlord:
I was flummoxed by his response, it's like he never even read my post at all before clicking the "quote" button

I read your write up....but for the sake of enlightenment.... Do you even consider my reply....i believe we are learning here...if you wish to contribute ,bring out the flaws in my argument just like the way I did to yours.... Do not assume you are correct... You may be learning a new thing from me...

butterflyl1on:
Guy chill. As someone whose profession somebody may exhibit some ignorance of, when having an exchange with that person, being polite IS A MUST and shows evidence of the knowledge you have in your field.

When you were in medical school did your lecturer call you names and was he or she rude to you when you exhibited obvious ignorance about certain aspects of medicine or asked "ignorant " questions?

Hostility takes the focus away from the correction. It now focuses on the vice. Vaxx is right. There are more "professional " methods of responding but you are obviously deliberately choosing not to apply such tact. That is wrong!

that dude is looking for someone is going to correct...he is better than anybody on nairaland....

ScepticalPyrrho:
Also... All this arguments are not science based... They are called arguments because we've all come to accept that there is no way anyone can scientifically prove God's existence.

None of the arguments follows the scientific method of proofs.

this isn't true, religious fellow do use complexity of a design in argument.... This is empirical argument ....it is testable and measurable

ScepticalPyrrho:
You should also consider the fact that these arguments are not originated by atheists, neither are they called atheistic arguments. Rather they are theistic arguments challenged by atheists for lacking reliability. So you would be wrong to classify atheists who are the responders to these arguments and not originators.

Atheist are people who don't believe God(s) exist. The invalidity of all the above listed theistic arguments only strengthens my position.

well, these argument may come from a theistic fellow...for atheist to consider the argument a flaw argument.... They need too look at the premises of the argument and see if it does not agree with their reason for being atheist...an atheist may respond by telling me he isn't an atheist becuse of the reason I post forward.... He may bring the reasons.... And reasons will be compared with my op and if it disagree with it...then my op is a flawed argument.... That is what you are doing.... And your argument hasn't fall out of the op definition...

CatfishBilly:
Errors? Without bashing me? Please I'll like to see those errors.
Whether you doubt who I claim to be is your freaking cup of tea. Just know that when you come to my profession and start spewing ignorance, I'll be there to set you straight with as much rudeness as possible since that's how you want it.

I don't know why the ignorant ones are always the loudest.

I will always welcome you......but dont be suprise if you are exposed.....

Ignorance isn't a disease.... It is when you know it and you couldn't take a step further to learn again...that is when it become a problem...as for the ignorance fellow , he could really become a learned person since he is ready to learn and do not put himself to a position of I know it all.

I can feel it, my words Pierce your skin...

ScepticalPyrrho:
There are different types of arguments for the existence of God... All of which can be classified under one of the following; the moralist argument, the teleological argument; argument based on causality, argument based on conscience; the ontological argument; argument based on personal experience and Pascal's wager...

There is no argument you come up with which doesn't fall under one of these categories. You can check it out.

I got your stand...if we are to categories your labelling... You will see conscience , teleological argument falling very well with religious belive while that of pascar wager also fall into religious believe...and likewise personal experience....

Ontological argument (meta physics) also share the same similarity with cosmology and epistemology.... This is a branch of natural philosophy....which is the same thing with natural science....


Get what my op did...the op clearly state the reasons why atheism reject god existence from the main argument of atheism...which fall into scientific and moral argument.... And this what your are still telllimg me ....don't you get what the op did? Telll me I can give a summary...

ScepticalPyrrho:
Bro, . Last time I checked, those trying to prove that a God exists are the ones bringing up different arguments...

pls can you explain this statement of yours better ?I feel your politness....we may derail the topic and let talk why you should believe In God

CatfishBilly:
You came to my profession and was making outlandish claims, you think I'll just close my eyes and watch you carry on? No wonder I said you're impervious to corrections. You're doing it all over again.
And I've no way suggested that I'm better than you in the post you quoted. Wonder where you got that from.

I just said it .... Keep to your intelligence.... Your aim is to look for someone to correct....am sorry to dissapoint you.that isn't me...engaged your peers....until you learn how to show courtesy with your written.... You have nothing to offer me....and if this is your way of life in reality....I will advice you to adjust...even if my claim are outlandish as you claim..it is logical for you to point out my errors not trying to show off you are better...i read one of your thread with a lady who also claim to be in the same profession with you.... I see the way the lady point out your error without bashing you.... From that thread ....I doubt you are whom you called yourself....that lady really do an interesting job...


My first engagement with you was very poor...

Deicide:
The thread topic reads "Atheism By Definition Is Problematic" but it's funny how the op keeps using the etymology of the word Atheism to argue what is the point of this thread

that is the word I can use .....nothing more....unless you coined another word that will best describe atheism believes....since the aim of the op isn't meant to look for alternative name for atheism but to categorically tell readers that the the name atheism in meaning is problematic...

CatfishBilly:
Engaging vaxx is futile, trust me. Been there. Dude is impervious to anything that remotely looks like a correction to his erroneous beliefs.

that sound like a proud statement.... The purpose of debate is to let the opponent sees his or her own flaws by making your own argument flawless. And not by telling him you are better than him. It is very absurd in thinking, For you to nurse the mind that your are better than your opponent in the first place. ,it will mean there is nothing to talk about. Just like you openly told me with your foul mouth, ,you want to school yourself..I wonder how you guys learn...since you already belive you know it all..keep to your intelligence it is not useful for me...