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AtheistSociety:
Don't believe in God? You are not alone.

Join us at the ASN National Convention coming up November 11th at the University Of Lagos.

will there be video conference,I wish to attend but am not gonna be around..... If so a link will be generous

budaatum:
In his Autobiographical Notes, Einstein wrote that he had gradually lost his faith early in childhood:

. . . I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections.

It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which was thus lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the 'merely personal,' from an existence dominated by wishes, hopes, and primitive feelings. Out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking. The contemplation of this world beckoned as a liberation, and I soon noticed that many a man whom I had learned to esteem and to admire had found inner freedom and security in its pursuit. The mental grasp of this extra-personal world within the frame of our capabilities presented itself to my mind, half consciously, half unconsciously, as a supreme goal. Similarly motivated men of the present and of the past, as well as the insights they had achieved, were the friends who could not be lost. The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it.

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends…. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

Wiki

Between Albert Einstein... And Isaac newton who will you consider the father of gravity or modern science.....whatever your assumption....

The truth is Isaac newton is honour with jump starting scientific revolution....he belive theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated,

"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."


Even Albert believe in God , maybe not Christan ideology... He become a scientists for exploring how God create the universe...

sholay2011:
Why not all mothers (or Nigerian mothers if you are being specific) ?

If a white person created a similar thread on a worldwide forum, it will be seen as racism.

do you even understand the op.?..

sholay2011:
What is this one saying?

what do you put on my thread? Mr racism evangelist.

sholay2011:
Why not all mothers (or Nigerian mothers if you are being specific) ?

If a white person created a similar thread on a worldwide forum, it will be seen as racism.

teni teni takisa ni ta tan...meaning whatever belong to you is trully yours...

I am Africa , a trully black man from a black mother... I have every right to honour black race... If a white man deem it fit to also honour his race let him go ahead.......I do not support racism bro....

chemystery:
I believe only in our natural world

good for you...

chemystery:
You mean I should read butterflylions argument or troll? That guy does not argue with sincerity.
I pity for you if such person is your role model.

Lol, @babalawo doing something real. Like David Copperfield you mean? Or like Houdini?

you do not believe in Africa medicine right? I have given you evidence.... Do you even check on them.

chemystery:
You mean I should read butterflylions argument or troll? That guy does not argue with sincerity.
I pity for you if such person is your role model

check the argument.... I am a sincere person...I have not chosen anyone as a role model....just go tru it..and see for yourself.... You may also check my argument with agntofalah on evolution and see evidence yourself.

chemystery:
Hmmmmn! Yes, theists always win me in a one on one debate with insults and threats. They always win I won't doubt you.

What happens if an atheist debates publicly with babalawos?

It isn't about threat...it is about good reasoning and logic ....be sincere read butterflylion debate with johnydon on the design subject.....and tell me who have more brilliant evidence..

Babalawo may not have that spirit of Christian and Muslim...he may wish to practice something real...

chemystery:
I'm not talking about rationality or irrationality here. I am talking about winning souls.

Except you want your cruel god to send you to hell for ignoring this golden opportunity of winning souls for him. Or have you made up your minds to burn forever in hell?

as an atheist do you believe in soul. I have meet atheist who belive in supernatural... They only have problem with God because they can't see him

chemystery:
It will be good if the Christians and Muslims attend this. If they think they have superior argument for the existence of god, they could push it forward, then win more souls at the end.

let me be sincere with you...any average beliver can easily win a one and one debate with atheist...... I do not have a science background but I do realised that most atheist with a strong science background failed to apply science evidence in their discussion.....


An advice to atheist , do not go into public debate with babalawo..

hopefulLandlord:
"There are no atheists in foxholes"

You've probably heard it many times over

For the sake of those that don't know what a foxhole is

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4265352_qlow250pxfoxholelebanonbeirutjuly1958_jpege60bdd95c1ea0b8a45166466b3303d6c

That is what a foxhole looks like

Its simply defined as a Defensive Fighting Position

The picture above is just an external view of it

Below is the internal view

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4265422_mainqimg730a02a710f96b5df92c0ec16f3efc3ec_jpegd77a2fa02176543dd2ad630c8c3728fb

Its dug into the ground to provide protection from enemy fire

Such holes are usually dug in the soldier's territory, so its only (usually) used when the enemy attacks your territory, it is usually a last layer of protection and means certain death when the enemy breaches the hole area, you can't call for air strike either because the explosives that would be sent by the aircrafts can kill soldiers in foxholes

The saying "There are no atheists in foxhole" therefore means when the enemy attacks and you have to defend your forte from a hole in the ground, you start praying to a higher power to help you out of the situation you find yourself because raising your head out of the hole at the wrong time would lead to your head being blown away!!

How true therefore is this saying?

It would be broken down in further posts

This is a report from a soldier himself

June 1916 “The Times” of London printed a comment from a soldier as reported by the Lord Mayor of London: 6

I can tell you, Sir, there are no atheists in the trenches. There is something in the air which tells us, when most eager to fight for our country, that we must trust to a Higher Power.


I agree with you, there may be some few atheist who still keep to their non god existence during bombardment...but most atheist soldiers who go to war and face near death experience do reconsider their faith....even those who are beliver but are not very strong in faith redouble their faith ...there was a US report that indicate it...

Check a picture of some soldiers praying in war front...

Can you show some love to your black mom here.... She really deserve it.....

A Yoruba proverb tells us "Orisa bi dudu iya o ko o si laiye." This translates as "There is no god like a Black mother on Earth."

While this might seem like flattery to the Black woman, it is also a charge. Being a god is not just a title of prestige, it is a responsibility...the responsibility to create, nurture and maintain the world.

Black goddess, it is you that will be the first symbol of otito (truth) to a child. Yes, a father can contribute, but the child will first naturally turn to you for confirmation. IFA: Orisa Scientific Spirituality teaches mothers to make sure the truth you provide the child is as clear, solid, and formidable as the sword of Obatala, King of Truth.

Black goddess, it is you that will represent all that is beautiful to the child. This is Oshun. If you imitate the "beauty" of another race, that will confirm to the child that that other race is more beautiful. If you represent the beauty of your own race, your child will recognize this. Do not underestimate the value of beauty; it is not all vanity. Beauty (deified as Oshun) is like breath for the world. We live for it and on it.

Black goddess, Orisa bi dudu iya o ko o si laiye. There is no god like a Black mother on Earth.

ifenes:
And your truth is what some people agreed to to put up in a dictionary ? Do you know what self love even means ? Self worth, high regard and respect for yourself, acceptance and appreciation for whom you are............ The ego you talk about means a false self, not being in control of your life......yes this is my opinion, my definition and my truth. What is yours ? Oh wait you gonna need the dictionary

Even the Christians say it unconsciously-Love God. But Unknowingly to them, they are the God, the inner man, the subconscious that never die. Therefore it means love yourself, honour yourself, adore yourself, not in an egotistic way....... You need to love yourself first before you love another.


I'm saying this with respect and love brother.....not because I'm better than you, we are all equals.

peace bro

adepeter2027:
But still haven't answered the OP.

The question is "WHY"

read my post very well...the question is well answer....

Dalaman ...

Universe is one part of God design.. And they are more that is still unknown to man, through it we recognized God attribute..

God has existed before the universe was created... Which shows he created this universe not because he require it but because the universe will require him... How?

The universe is inhabited by his creature,

it is a host for inanimate object such as stars and other planets..

All thIs object both animate and inanimate are demonsrating the nature and character of God..

Just like the pottery work of a Potter or art collection of an artist...

So the question turn around... If pottery work can have a purpose for the potter and art collection can have a purpose for the artist... What is your own purpose?

AlmiqhteeAllah:
Why I consider it illogical? I'm in no mood for debates tonight. I'm busy enjoying the cool feeling of observing the moving streams of life in MY night sky. Let me give my Goddess Mother her due.

whenever you are free...just give me a mention.....am always ready to learn.....

ScienceWatch:
Thanks for your kind words Vaxx. I certainly have much to say
on the topic of Low-level Atheists vs Genuine Atheists. The genuine ones focus on their search for enduring truths that empower humanity.
They will never stoop so low as to insult and terrorize innocent, decent persons that have a right to use forums for sharing and thereby helping each other.

It is terrible to witness the damage a Low-level Satanic Atheists do to forums that that was established to provide a positive benefit.

I will be glad if you can create a topic to address this observation of yours....

1 build the objective of discussion

2 point out what atheism is damaging on nairalandforum.(this forum has internationalised Nigeria) may be it can attract seun the founder...am sure he will do something about it...business is very important...

3...applaud the genuine one you notice on nairaland and give them a word of encouragement....

From this point we can all contribute to human development by removing shaft from the grain....we are all one at the end. ..

Cheers

AlmiqhteeAllah:
Yep. My signature reveals as much.

ooh good I thought as much....am ready to rub mind with you.if you are not in a position of I know better than you....pls why do you consider this topic illogical? I will tolerate every insult...if it will make you express your veiw perfectly.... Nonetheless it is reasonable we chart like a gentlemen.....

AlmiqhteeAllah:
Should we?

Are you the same person using the same monicker... Tozarawithz

ScienceWatch:
You make good points Vaxx as usual but it really does not apply to most Low-level Atheists here.

The guiding principle for me is, "Dont throw your pearls to the swine. They will rend you." I will never attempt to "win/save the soul" of a swine. They must stay were they are ! We all have free choice, these Low-level Atheists have chosen the dark Side.

hopefulLandlord, ToZaraWithaZ, hahn and others cruel, hate driven trolls that cruise religious topics to get sexual relief and to impress their failed prophet of modern Atheism, Richard Dawkins.

I saw it from your written.... You are intelligent. And you have more to say....but it seems they are failing to see that aspect in you .....your choices of words are brilliant...

ScienceWatch:
Stop deluding yourself ToZaraWithaZ, I dont share problems with demented religious trolls.
You guys create a bad vibe for Nairaland which happen to be an excellent business tools, but with the majority being decent Muslims and Christians, they will vote with their dollars.

Go fuxk with Atheists !

can you pls attend to him, he is ready to listen ...you may win a soul..I saw calmness in his written...

ifenes:
Someone said I say all these things out of ego...... Well it's called self love. I will not call myself a bastard because Isaac Newton thinks so.

call it self love , self intrest, self worth, self hype ... They are all product of self egoism........

According to webster dictionary....it define egoism as thus...making largely impulsive judgments and behaving based on whether it helps a human’s self-interest .....your analogy fall into this categories.... It is self knowledge.... It those not mean what you are saying is the real truth...

Pls reconstruct your agurment ....an expose thesist can easily crunch this analogy....how will you set a movie Without a plan and purpose?
..

Ericsunday619:
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.

are you an atheist?

Hati13:

.philosophical question.... But I will answer it on both philosophical and faith base...

I will say yes we do exist.

I mean, you're looking at your phone now. Or your tablet , if this was all apart of a child's imaginations and not God plan..., the child will do one thing:

1. If the child stop imagining, we would all die.

Nonetheless we make our own decisions.

It's not like a 7-year old girl/boy can imagine an infinite pile of space, 7 billion humans including animals, and manage to coordinate all of their cognitive decisions.

Of course, we are made from someone/something (olodumre), but that doesn't mean we're in some imagination thing. It's like we create phones, computer.cars.

These object aren't in our imagination. It was created from our imagination and brought into existence. God created us from his imagination, and here we are on Earth. We are absolute and we exist.

Plus, it's just common sense. I mean, you see yourself right now right? So, you exist.

Exist, by definition, means "have objective reality or being." That simply means, you're there; you're alive.

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butterflyl1on:
Well you mentioned ego and I can ask "is ego good in this context " since it may not be truthful.

Likewise self loathing. Can self loathing be good in this context since it may also not be true.

You said due to ego man sees himself as not an animal.

I countered by saying that self loathing may make man see himself as an animal or worthless.

Since both are influenced by something. How then are we sure they are both right positions. Or that the conclusions derived form them are true.

of which, I reply that what influence them is self knowledge, this self knowledge is of one’s own sensations, thoughts, beliefs, and other mental states. Can all this be wrong?

Can we think logically about the ego yes, can we think logically about the low self esteem yes..anything that is defined properly , described in enough details can generate premises and from it we can draw valid conclusion.... Valid conclusion isn't the same thing as the real truth...it is just rich enough to accept our state of mind.

[quote author=butterflyl1on post=61125309]What you are saying is that we control whatever perception others have of themselves based on what we tell ourselves that they are and not that those perceptions are actually true.

If this is right, then are we qualified to control our own perceptions of who we think we are if our judgement is influenced by a lot of wrong factors? {/quote]wrong factor.? But what can that be...but if i may try....our own perception depends on self knowledge” this self knowledge is of one’s own sensations, thoughts, beliefs, and other mental states. Can all this be wrong? Well it depends on you argue it..

[quote author=butterflyl1on post=61125309]What you are saying is that we control whatever perception others have of themselves based on what we tell ourselves that they are and not that those perceptions are actually true.

If this is right, then are we qualified to control our own perceptions of who we think we are if our judgement is influenced by a lot of wrong factors? {/quote} wrong factor.? But what can that be...but if i may try....our own perception depends on self knowledge” this self knowledge is of one’s own sensations, thoughts, beliefs, and other mental states. Can all this be wrong? Well it depends on you argue it..{/quote}

ifenes:
Like I have said many time, words have meanings. Like referring to one's self as a "person" has its own meaning. Accepting to be called a person in a legal system mean you have no natural right you would have if you referred to yourself as a "Human Being" or "Man"

Words are powerful and they shape who we are. Do we just accept beliefs( academical and religious) because we are a graduate of schools( brainwash institutions) ? Now we even refer to ourselves as " animals" as this further confines us to the prison walls of survival rather than actually living.

This topic is huge and simple. This is a battle between free thoughts and academical programmed minds. One part sees themselves as animals due to affiliation of a certain type of education. Some other see themselves as more than animals. I personally will not refer to myself as an animal because some books said so. I am a Hu-Man-Being ( knowing being) not less in any shape or form. Animals are caged oppressed, thought for, reformed, tamed etc......I cannot be

i partially agree with you... But your answer is more of egoism rather than the fact......


We human refuse to be call animal becuse of our brainpower, nothing more....and my thought is this ....do animals have the same thought with us, do they care to be human ?

Probably they also reject the idea of the human labeling supposing they are call human, since science hasn't develop mind reader.... That will be a question for another day....


Why should we reject the idea of animal labelling.....simple answer ...ego....

Ego is the root of supremacy.

this egoism with semi illiteracy, makes us believe we are the most supreme being in this universe ..nothing proof it.......


Human want to feel superior, and it is easy to do that with the animal kingdom, because animals do not reply nor care...may be they’ve got better things to do.....

Therefore we can bring in these human animals concept to the fact that they belong to the animal kingdom, and let them to believe what they want and be enlightened or ignorant for the rest of their lives.....:

ScepticalPyrrho:



If I begin to ask questions, vaxx would start classifying me instead of you.

you are free to ask question as along as you care....it seems you refuse to understand why I created this thread.....my purpose isn't meant to ridducle your faith...it is meant to established the true meaning of atheism.... Why I conclude that the meaning is problematic....and I gave my reasons... Which no one on this thread has reffutted...

If you wish to ask question, go ahead bro....this is a knowledge sharing forum....who know I may be learning new thing from you.... I will also advice you to visit my topics...they are more interesting discussion I had with atheist there... Cheers bro...