₦airaland Forum

freshest4live:
I'm sure even vaax himself knows that his Muslims have no power to call for sharia law in Ghana and definitely not like the Nigerian Muslims nor even the Malian or kenyan/somalian Muslims.
Ghanian Muslims may be compared to Senegalese Muslims rather.

obasonjo was very smart to allow sharia law to be implemented in the north. the law is like a dog without tooth. many of her verdict are not even follow. Obasonjo will be able to maintain religious tolerance better than his predecessor. Before nigeria last election . Some group of comrade came to ghana from national assembly to learn how ghana maintain peace among the two majour religion. Muslim and christain. Sharia law might not be visible in ghana for now becuse the northerner are not demanding for it. But i bet you if it is what will solve internal or national problem. Ghana will implement it. Of recent ghana pass a law direcring all schools not to stop muslim girls from wearing hijap or mayafi as it is popular called .This present goverment promise to include arabic as a subject to ghana education curriculum becuse the demand is increasing.

Shaytun:
And we still beat you in that aspect.

Did you know that Nigeria is maybe the 4th country in the whole wide world to make use of armed drone in combat.

http://venturesafrica.com/nigeria-joins-the-drone-wars-in-its-fight-against-boko-haram-here-are-other-weapons-they-could-use/

if you really think one country is stronger than another let their president fight first. Just like this

Nowenuse:
Ghana has never had a muslim president.

that is not true. dr hilah liman is a northerner and a muslim. even john mahama has a muslim background. ghana has produce two muslim vice president.

[quote author=Nowenuse post=56857681]Why are you telling lies?

According to 2010 estimates Ghana was 71% christian and only 17% muslim. How close is that margin compared to Nigeria's 50/50 or even muslim domination?
Stop exaggerating. Ghana's religious margin cannot close anytime soon, not even in the next 50 years.

Northern Nigeria is probably 10 times the size of northern Ghana, it is developed only in your eyes.
Fewer areas of northern Nigeria are developed compared to it's large size.
The monthly oil money allocation from Abuja is also used in developing the state capitals of all northern states. Nothing else.[/quotewhy should i lie. ghana statistical population put the report of the muslim to be around 30 percent while christanity to be around 60 percent. You can read more about the contoversy report here.http://www.newsfromafrica.org/newsfromafrica/articles/art_7902.html. This is what wikipedia says about the gap diffrence .https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islam_in_Ghana&action=edit&section=1. Pls try to get evidence before you conclude . The wikipedia you report is not accepted by the muslim community in ghana. You,can read the above links.

Nowenuse:
Nigeria's infrastructural development is only somehow evenly-spread because northerners have so much power politically in Nigeria unlike northerners in GH.


Southern Nigeria will always beat Southern Ghana or at least equal Southern Ghana because in Ghana, the muslim northerners are minorities, so, there is no way their backwardness will affect Southern Ghana compared to Nigeria where the muslim north seem to be the majority.

Take Nigerian youth literacy rate for instance, the national average is estimated at 72%, but do you know that in all the Southern states it is about 95%?

National extreme poverty rate in Nigeria is about 33%, but do u know that a state like Lagos state has only about 5% or less living in extreme poverty?

Can you see the drastic difference?

This is exactly the way other index statistics are affected as soon as you average Nigeria.
So, if you use any national index statistic of Nigeria to judge southern Nigeria, you would be making the most terrible mistake.
The gap is too wide.

Is there any part of Southern Ghana with 5% or below living in extreme poverty??

Ghana north are not sideline. ghana former president is a northerner. the current vice president is also a northerner. Some powerful position are assign to the northerner. Though there is still diffrence. But that gap is closing sincerly.

ghana is a christain dominated country but she has a huge presence of islam infact the diffrence is not up to 10percent according to wikipedia report. considering the high birth rate in zongo community that gap may closed soon. Another interesting things to be noted is the zongo community in greater accra,eastern ,region,central region are also backward in education and social development compare to accra mainstream. This is what me my self dont get. Most everything backwardness associated with the northerner？

am not even using the national index. i try to compare what will be consider in ghana as a southern part assumimg she is a federal state compare to what is on ground in nigeria. the gap still show ghana will likely outperform nigeria ... Take this word from me. Nigeria north is more developed than ghana north.

Greater accra is the most developed region in ghana. i dont have the statistics. poverty line may range from 10 percent to 5 percent.

fanficgirl:
This is kind of dishonest. Germany and UK population are relatively in the same range.
The countries with the highest living standards in Europe are the ones with with the tiniest populations.
The ones with the most opportunities are the more popolous ones (ignoring tanking countries like Italy and France).
I agree Nigeria can do a lot better and has a lot of potential it's not utilizing.

there is a diffrence between 60million population and 80million population. over 20million population diffrence. That is huge if i will say. Yet germany still outperform uk in every area of development. Population itself is a resources. You need to note it.

fanficgirl:
In fairness, Japan's colonization of South Korea helped alot with infrastructure and education. USA also played a huge part!!! If I recall, USA was responsible for more tha. Half of investments in South Korea and we all know why

japan of recent tender an apology for the damage she caused south korea on cultural damages and bad records taken by japan on an ancient korean family.

the japanese govt express her feelings of deep remorse and heartfelt apology for the tremendous damage and suffering brought by the colonial rule. sure usa might have a say. but the south korea develop a strong roadmap to development. Now south korea can stand on her two feat if usa decide to back off. Usa might even be affected.

Nowenuse:
If you guys take the HDI of Southern Nigeria alone, do you think Ghana or Kenya will come any close?

Nigeria is too complex. This is the reason why many Southern Nigerians are fighting for the division, seccesion and restructuring of Nigeria.

Imagine if Ghana was one country with Burkina faso and Mali. Or Kenya was one country with Somalia and Sudan. Do you think you guys would have progressed as you have now??

i will not be able to talk on kenya . But i will with ghana . Let do the analyse southern nigeria will consist of both 6 yoruba state , 5 igbo land 5 niger delta including akwa ibom and cross river while greater accra ,central region ,ashanti region and brongh ahafo region will be consider southern assuming ghana run a federal system. This region will still out perform nigeria southern state becuse it host most of ghana development. Why nigeria major development spread across the south ,north central and middle belt. Ghana too has a northern part ,upper east ,and upper west which i will say contribute to her lower ranking in HDI. This regions suffer major set back. There is community crisis ,riot and a national domestic violence where widows are camp as a witch in （Gambaga）.infact nigeria north is far develop than ghana north.

freshest4live:
No matter the ordeal of south Korea with Japan, they are still brothers and south Korea is free now but not many Africans are totally free today maybe a fault of theirs, but again like l said the comparison is worthless.
Yes l agree with you, Quatar and UAE is doing better and of course Nigeria is definitely punching below her weight.
There are examples of countries in the world as well with few natural resources like Ghana doing better because ideas with good policies under visionary leadership is more powerful than resources, and they fuel the resources. Ghana has always boasted to our face of having these better than Nigeria, Ghanians believe they are less corrupt with a more peaceful environment and stable electricity, so Ghana has the advantage to rank amongst top ten in Africa considering how low the bar is for Africa. We are both failures and should hide our heads under the pillow in shame.

i agree with you.

shervydman:
our corrupt leaders........... they're to be blamed for this!

yes all this problem are tied on bad governance, poor policy and cosmetic project.

freshest4live:
You have misunderstood my argument, l'm not saying Nigeria isn't living under her weight or saying the British caused all problems, but rather you can't compare Nigeria's foundation to that of western countries and not even to south Korea. Japan colonizing south Korea is child's play, they are still alike and understand themselves better than the Nigerian- British relationship.
You are also making excuses for Ghana, there are smaller countries in Europe doing much better than Ghana and with lesser resources, by your logic, this shouldn't be so.
Resources do not make nations but education and ideas. Congo has far more resources than we have, l also used to think Ghana was called the gold coast because of gold correct me if l'm wrong though.
So my point is you give Ghana far too many excuses if we are to go by your standard against Nigeria and you underrate the continual effect of colonialism especially from the French on the continent. There was a time ECOWAS was about introducing Eco as the only currency for west African states, the francophone nations kicked against it, because they valued the French currency, Nigeria had no power to face the French who would never easily give up her colonies completely and so the idea was abandoned. This is why l say Africa is still colonized indirectly and the comparison with South Korea is out of place.

not at all. You blame colonialism for nigeria underdevelopment. I said it is wrong to do so. Well south korea is a good example. You need to read about her ordeal in the hands of japan. It is far worst comparing with nigeria during the day of colonialism.Therefore it is a good example.

as i said earlier ghana too needs to be blame. but she perform better in citizens welfare comparing to nigeria currently. i belive it shouild be the opposite. why？ nigeria has a larger population which she can use for her own advantage. ,she possess a larger quantity of natural resources, Enough phd holder than any african state , A ballon of respected scholars more than any african state and so many positive example. Second largest bitumen deposit in the world behind canada.

yes some countries are performing better than ghana not only in europe. even in asia. singapore is a good example. singapore does not even own enough land talkless of arable land for agriculture yet she is able to grow enough food for her consumption and even for export.

both Ghana and nigeria are not doing well using the advantage of what they have at their disposal .i belive nigeria by now should be compare to advance world in terms of development not ghana or kenya becuse she has more resources to be in that position than kenya and ghana in combine. Ghana too should have go far not her present position.

you cant neglect the role of natural resources likewise education. sound education begat
good idea. UAE is one of the weathy nation today becuse of natural resources. saudi arabia ,kuwait and qatar alike. good education buttress natural resources. nigeria is bless abundantly with the two. So what else do you need？ is the education not sound enough to pull the nation out of underdevelopment with her abundant natural resources. UAE has oil and nothing more. What was use in developing dubai today comes from oil. What is stoping nigeria. The same question to ghana. What is stoping her from development with her abundant land and fertile soil.



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freshest4live:
Yes you cannot speak about Africa without colonialism, it is myopic to do that. The nations you compare Nigeria with today are benefactors of the then civilized Greece and Roman Empires together with Christianity. Even at that, they had millenials of dark ages, fought many wars and learnt from them, then colonized Africa via looting. Colonalism is everything because it takes time to grow. What about Ghana the gold coast? It shouldn't be where it is today.
Take a look at the African francophone nations, in my opinion most are still indirectly colonized much more than English speaking African countries. The British left us with almost nothing, gave the Northerners power without education. You have to consider all these while speaking of Nigeria and her problems or growth else you'll be in the danger of a single story.

i was using germany. You said it doesnt make sense. Now i use south korea. You said it is wrong. Well south korea suffer the same hardship any african state pass through during colonization . It is even worst as some scholar put it.

57 years is enough to turn things around. use malaysia, singapore and south korea as a case study. Ghana can also be blame too but it seems it perform better than nigeria when it comes to citizen welfare

considering nigeria big population and abundant natural resources. she should have reached a develop world category even before the aforemention countries. you need to note oil was not discover by the colonial master.it was discover by nigeria goverment when oil was at is boom perioud.

nigeria had all the chance then to utilise all the goodies for her own advantage. nigeria then had a good income from cocoa and timber which was use to build nigeria first mordarn city. lagos and ibadan. So what stop the development now comparing to how it started ealier after independence. It is now sluggish and may be worst in some state apart from state capital.


as i said earlier. blaming colonializm for our ordeal at this stage is a prove to show we are not serious.

freshest4live:
You can't compare the likes of Germany with formerly colonized African nations just 40-60year old, but you can however compare with India and Brazil.

by my understanding it seems you are blaming colonialism on nigeria ordeal. But this is almost 57 years after independence. Nigeria is old enough to stand on its feat. Why should you look up to brasil or india. Why not south korea a colony of japan. South korea owns a significant population with a very good HDI now better than japan. This nigeria population is enough to be turn to strenght. This is what canada is looking for.

freshest4live:
Do well to improve your HDI and income per capita over Seychelles and Mauritius as well, till then you are not in a position to advice Naija, lol.

it seems you are not getng it. bigger population can still perform better even with larger population. For example. Germany is more populated than uk and still hold a good HDI better than uk ,france in combine. Nigeria can perform better.she has a better chance than ghana and kenya in combine.

UnimkeAk:
No be dere solomon dalaung for graduate with first class

yes and Dino malaye

freshest4live:
Lol, if all Nigerians were to move out of Ghana today and all Ghanians move out of Nigeria, this would affect Ghana more.

how will it affect ghana more？convince me.

fanficgirl:
I have never heard of Nyere

realy one of african political legend. i heard much about him in my seniour high school days.

Nowenuse:
Tanzania and Namibia were once German colonies, i think Mozambique too

this question has been answer by the kenya dude. you google search and wait till today before you get back to me. namibia is colonized by germany and south africa . You dont know about mozambique so stay away. Talks on only what you know.even ruwand is colonized by german and belgium.

Nowenuse:
It is now official that you are a stark illiterate.
Is Texas a city?

The 3 most influential cities (in wealth) in the USA are New york, Los angeles and Chicago.
While the 3 wealthiest states are California, Texas and New york.

California controls about 15% or more of the wealth of the USA.
Lagos state controls about 20% of the wealth of Nigeria.
I don't see much difference here.

i have seen your picture, i have also read your logic when you are making argument. i can only conclude you added nothing to this page apart from foolishness.


i am going to refer you to google. go and learn about city state. may be you will understand while i refer texas as city. am aware texas is a state and is even the second largest state in the usa. I dont google and paste like you. I use my head and that is why i love the kenya boys here.

Hati13:
For majority, Ethiopia was never colonized and for some minority, Ethiopia was colonized by Italy in those 5 years occupation. It's a subjective matter.

ok bro. i like your comprehension .

Hati13:
No, you are wrong. Germany occupied the likes of Belgium, Netherlands, France and other neighboring countries with the intention to stay there permanently. Hitler intention was to create an European empire and other territories with the nucleus of Germany that can last thousand of years. During the peak of Nazi, all the occupied European countries were annexed to Germany. But this doesn't mean they were colonized. If the likes of Netherlands, Belgium, France and other negotiating countries weren't considered to be colonized, then Ethiopia is also not colonized. Even those European countries accepted defeat to the Germany and yet assumed not to be colonized. But Ethiopia hasn't accepted defeat, but you claim they were colonized. Don't be biased. Intention

All countries recognized that Ethiopia wasn't colonized.

yes there was intention to colonize but you have to understand the role of germany in france ,belgium,holland. and the the role italian play in ethiopia. So that we can understand occupation and colonization. The role of german is to divide each conqured country into zones and administer interim goverment there for a while. While that of italian is to take over the goverment of ethiopia permanently.they even rename ethiopia to italian east africa.

here i will tell you is confusing. occupation and colonization are all the same in human sense becuse they aim to acheived one thing. OWNERSHIP. but if am to go by your logic. german role is quite diffrence from italian role in ethiopia.

Muafrika2:
That they are bound by the Western political system is testament to the fact that they are not free.

what is happening in liberia is synonymous to what is happening in most of the african state. We are giving ourselves willingly to western enslavement when we can actually free ourselves. Liberia case might be too much.

9jakool:
Ok.
There were people living in Liberia before the arrival of America.

sure but the elite of liberia are the free slave from american. they are the one who develop mordern liberia .

9jakool:
What virgin lands?
Yes, many Liberians speak a distinct English language instead of their native language.

what i mean by virgin land in this context is a land that is not exploited

9jakool:
Not necessarily. Liberians are not former slaves, except for the small minority of 150,000-200,000 descendants of former slaves repatriated from America which are less than 5% of the population of Liberia. The largest ethnic groups in Liberia are Kpelle, Bassa, and Kru.

the first set of people to occupy the virgin land were slaves from america. I agree with you if you say there is native owner which is true. The kpelle in particular. Unfourtunately liberian native language is going into extinction. Many native liberia now speak american english with little of thier native language .they called it creole. Many liberian cant speak their native language.

Hati13:
- Ethiopia culture wasn't affected. We don't speak their language and follow their culture.
- Ethiopia didn't gave up. There was continuous battles going in those occupation years.
- Italy only occupied few areas. Most of the areas of Ethiopia was free from Italians.
- Italy didn't take control of the Ethiopian government. They reached an argument with Ethiopian people only to live in few towns and not to take power of the government. The government of Ethiopia was still operating aboard.

It was the Europeans who firstly said, Ethiopia was never colonized. They said this because they can't hide the fact.

american,was colonized by britain yet she debate either to accept german or english as an official language. Ruwanda was not a british colony yet she adopt english as an official language. Libya is a colony of italy likewise eritheria and somali. Known of them speak italian as of today as their official language. May be second i cant say. Therefore adopting their language is not an issue.


early ethiopian resistance is another reason italian culture failed. even libya the italian colony do not share italian culture. i think italy system of colony is not as effective like english and french .


italy was able take over the abyssania land before the british intervene

Hati13:
You are right wenedem(brother), but it doesn't mean it was colonized.

You believe Ethiopia was colonized, but not the likes of France, Netherlands, Belgium and other European countries during WWII. If you believe latter weren't, then why this only works to Ethiopia? I want to hear your points on this.

ethiopia case is intended to be a permanent settlement of some of jobless italian citizens in ethiopia. Infact italian goverment encourage her citizen to occupy ethiopia land. What happen in france ,holland ,belgium is intended to be a temporary state of affairs where a military force temporarily administers an area, either until the original owner loses the conflict or pays certain concessions, or in preparation for annexation – converting control permanently tothe civilian government. Therefore it is a diffrent ball game

Hati13:
There are criterias for on country to be considered to be colonized and Ethiopia don't fill majority of the lists. Search online if you want and you will see why Ethiopia wasn't considered to be colonized. Europeans, other countries and even Italy recognized the deeds of Italians back then wasn't considered to be colonization. They have tried, but failed.

Yes, there are some areas which bear Italian name, but this has nothing to do with colonization. There are also areas which bear the name of Mexico, Rwanda, France and other countries.

good point. State one or more criteria of a colony state that ethiopia did not fall into apart from handing over ceremony？i debate this topic with a friend of mine some days ago

Hati13:
He knows deep down the truth, it's just he didn't want to accept it.

no sir. ethiopia still has some of the italian architect structure with them.The Italian colonial center of Asmara in Ethiopia survives today is virtually intact.

Hati13:
Again, Ethiopia was never colonized.

France had accepted defeat during the WWII and Germany had occupied it and established administrative centers, but since Germany didn't exert her culture on France, France aren't considering to be colonized by Germany. So there may be administrative centers in few areas of Ethiopia back then, but since Ethiopia hadn't accepted defeat and fought continuously during the 5 years occupation and since Italy hadn't exerted her culture on us since they only occupied few areas and other reasons, Ethiopia wasn't colonized.

There is difference between colonization, occupation and establishing administrative centers.

brother so many countries experience colonization formerly or informal. etheiopia was colonized may be not like erithria. But it was actually colonized.ethiopia suffered the informal type of colonization when it was under Italian rule in 1935. The Italian Fascist regime carried out the informal type of colonization in all of its cruelties for over 5 years. In those five years, Abyssinia was declared part of the East AfricanItalian dominion "united" with Eritrea, Libya, and Italian Somaliland. The informal variety of colonization inflicted horrendous oppression of the people. Men were executed, their women violated, their intellectuals decimated, their patriots hunted down and shot, their cultural heritage looted, their holy places desecrated, and their flag shredded and burned Italian Fascists. Mussolini's brutality against Ethiopians was so cruel that one observer described it as "the most atrocious methods known to modern civilization." Even today Italians find themselves trying to amend their past by becoming repentant, remorseful, and ashaed of what the Fascists had done to the country.

there is some part of abyssania that still bear italian names today.

iamord:
there is a lot of work when it comes to creating s company like Cadbury. those are considered as great companies. before we can achieve that there has to be some things in place. Branding- this goes a long way and I see that it's nonexistent in slot of this companies. they need to pay more attention on brand projection. start chocolate production course's in our schools. we need to get serious

whao fantastic answer.chocholate course production. That is a very good idea. This is where goverment needs to play its own role. The subsidy of cocoa pesticide should be taking seriously.some are using the advantage for their personal gain. Goverment also needs to empower farmer financially so that cocoa farming can be encourage. You know this says sticking lotto is better than cocoa farming. I get piss off when i hear it.

TayserMahiri:
Thanks. They are not barbarians though, they're berbers! So its fair to say Libya is not a black country.

My stand remains that Ethiopia was never colonized. Occupation does not equate colonization.

the same argument can be used for the main five north africa state. this country have a very low amount of black skin. Geographically they are located in the northern part of africa. So they cant change their destiny. To you what will you call egypt. Arab ,african or what？ trully speaking they did not belong to the two.

ethiopia has a taste of colonization not,just occupation. an adminisrative was run on absynia.