₦airaland Forum

TayserMahiri:
Are the blacks majorities there? I presume they are not. Are the berbers black?

the blacks are in minority. not even up to 5percent of the 3million population. some babarians are black but majourity are light skin. They even have their own native language apart from arabic. But arabic language is the most dominant The arabian colonization is very strong than english and french colonization. Egypt are coptic people but are highly influence by arabian tradition to the extent of losing their own culture. And they are not ready to go back. Like the chinese proverb. If you want to colonize a man forever teach him your language.

shervydman:
ok......i'll try, is it a book btw or should I just google search?

that is a name of the libya resistance war lord. he was able to defeat italian army multiple time before he was finally overcome

TayserMahiri:
Thats why I said Black. Libyans are definitely Arabs

black libya are not arab bro. even libya themselves are not originally arab. the original arab are those who reside in arabian peninsular. Not the baberian ,the coptic or the shuwa

obaaderemi:
Occupation is different from colonisation.Would you say because germany occupied france then France was colonised?Even Germany after the war was administered by U.S and Russia.That's occupation.

ethiopia was annexed and rename italian east afica. Italian governent had a stake in some major ethiopia city not all before the british army intervene.

shervydman:
no, Libya didn't perform better than Ethiopia.

may be you need to read about OMAR MUKHTAR

TayserMahiri:
I suggest you show some dignity to African countries that succesfilly resisted. Ethiopia is testimony that Black Empires could stand up to anyone.

almost all african country resisted. infact libya perform better than ethiopia before they were finally overcome. British play a fantastic role in saving ethiopia from italian. But libya themselves fought with blood in protecting their own protectorate.

TayserMahiri:
Technically what youre saying is that no Africann country survived colonization. Liberians themselves were former slaves

you get it bro. no africa country was left untouched.only liberia soil. As you rightly put it they were former slave. The country is very americanise even up till date.

obaaderemi:
Good.But I don't mean just refineries.Take ghana for example.Ghana exports cocoa to import chocolate.While the oyinbos are free to fix price of cocoa and other natural commodities on the world market,who fixes the price of chocolate?why can't ghana have a powerful multinational like cadbury?why can't kenya have international coffee businesses like starbucks which buys kenya's premium coffee and use it to blend inferior coffee from brazil and colombia?Why does nigeria export oil when it can export petrochemical products like spain's Repsol?Why did bright people like Nyerere and Nkruma fail?What is wrong with Africa?

i concur with you. Ghana now has a chocholate company call golden tree. It is not as powerful like cadbury nor those it make varieties like cadbury either. Imagine a cocoa producing nation is not even self sufficient on chocholate. Is it not a mess.

Hati13:
Ethiopia was never colonized even from the perspective of Italy. They only occupied few areas of the country back then. The Ethiopians never accepted defeat and their was continuous battle going throughout the 5 years occupation. And above all, they didn't exert that much their culture on us. That is why we officially speak our languages, follow our own calendar, write by our own alphabet, name our children by our different languages names, and in general follow our own culture. Everyone, even Italians and Europeans recognized that Ethiopia was never colonized in her history.

France, Belgium, Netherlands and other European countries were occupied in WWII by Germany for some period, but it does mean they were colonized.

ethiopia is a country i made research about when i first found out they were not colonized. But is it true. From 1936 to 1941,"Abyssinia" was under italian rule. So, in this spec Was Ethiopia a colony?I would say that the Italians never really gained any sort of foothold in Ethiopia, either then or earlier. Obviously they were repulsed by the Ethiopians at Adwa in 1896, and neither before nor after did they ever have any real control over the region. In 1936 the Italians annexed and 'occupied' Ethiopia and re-named it Italian East Africa, but the Ethiopians never capitulated and Italian control n the region was extremely limited, and any form of control only lasted until 1939 when the British intervened.

as for me the only country in africa that is free of colonization is liberia.

Muafrika2:
Here it is my people, the GREEN BOOK by the great Muammar Gaddafi

https://archive.org/stream/TheGreenBookMuammarGaddafi/gaddafi-green-book_djvu.txt

you did well by providing the link. hope it is not a summary version

TayserMahiri:
So ghaddafi had a book?

yes.

Muafrika2:
Where can we find the book?

There is a difference between optimism and denial. You can't head anywhere if you don't know where you are coming from.

try amazon or google books. a link will be provided where you can order

obaaderemi:
Falsehood alert!!!Brother,don't let that lying boy deceive you.Kenya has no functional refinery.They have a refinery which became redundant since 4 years ago.You want to know why?The Indians sold their shares back to the stup!d kenyan government and kaput!The refinery died. http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/kenya-refinery-2016-07-25 I guess that liar left that part out of his post.Awon werey radarada.But on a more serious note,why is the narrative the same across most of Africa?What's wrong with our system in africa?

tema and abidjan refinary are alive

obaaderemi:
Unless we unite which obviously is impossible going by the logic of many here.I tell you kids are better.There was this big world atlas i used to study in secondary school and every night before I sleep I would study the large and varied abundance of mineral resources available across west Africa.And I believed very soon Africa would rise but no one told me then that what it takes for a people to be great goes beyond resources wether human or mineral.It's mindset.

i agree with you. Unification is possible dont you think so. I will refer you to a book written by gaddafi. Green book.He lay the foundation on how it can be acheived

TayserMahiri:
I havent blamed anyone. We can and will come out stronger. Do you harbor doubts?

not even a bit， very optimistic .

TayserMahiri:
For me, that was still COLONIZATION in CAPS. They should have stuck their ass in Germany. Do you know how many people they killed in Namibia? The guys were animals alongside Belgians.

let stop this blame game. It is gone. Dont you think we can still come out strong and better than them.？

obaaderemi:
Germany never had any interest in African colonies.Germans believed more in a united Europe at the feet of a strong Germany.So while france and britain dissipated their energy in africa,germany waxed strong in Europe and took the very rich alsace-loraine province from france and Holstein from denmark.It was against Bismark's plan that they came to Africa at all.So you are right.

good you guys are aware

Muafrika2:
Are you Nigerian? It doesn't matter coz as far as multinationals go are being used the same easy.

No. YOU don't have oil. These multinationals (who are brazen enough to not only polite land to chase away locals, but transfer profits and don't pay tax.) do They own your country.

Shell Petroleum Development Company (SPDC) Oil & Gas Multinational
Chevron Oil & Gas Multinational
Mobil Oil & Gas Multinational
Total Oil & Gas Multinational

Don't you think they have refineries? Why would they use yours when using theirs is more profitable?



Do you know Shell company was bragging about seconding Nigerian government officials. This came out on Panama papers. We are still colonies.

Nigeria allegedly shut down its refineries due to lack of crude oil supplies. Funny Am sure Ghana doesn't refine. Is it a supply issue? Kenya has been refining but the refinery will stop working one way or another when we start producing oil. Watch this space.

i am talking like a national of african citizen not limiting my self to nigeria alone.

we do have oil. we only dont have a functional refinery. which gave way to this multinational companies to exploit us. imagine with the quantity amount of oil nigeria posses she cant refined her own fuel. She need to export the raw material to get the finished product.

my question to you. what stop nigeria for building a working refinery that can accomodate and refined her own fuel ？ why do you have to blame a company trying to do business？

i promise you if nigeria become serious like russia and she is able to process the raw material by herself . she will survive. iran has been saction before yet they,come out strong. the problem of this blame game will not help any one apart from stoping us to think logically to overome our problems

egypt reject to welcome barrack obama when he wanted to pay cairo a visit that is to tell you they can do without them.

north korea do not even consider the strenght of american arsenal. she is standing on her two feet.

we are now enslaving ourselves voluntarilywithout forcing us.

TayserMahiri:
If you are being subjective, then you will surely see what you want. Germany colonized the said countries for a sizable period and it is obvious they benefited from it. They wouldn't have been there doing nothing. Their eyes were however more set on eastern europe and global domination.

you get my point. Germany interest is not on africa. However i agree with you they that were in africa. But do not exploit africa like the aformentioned name. They took part in nambia colonization alongside southafrica .

TayserMahiri:
Okay, Germany had succesful colonies in Namibia (heard of the Herero genocide?), Tanzania our neighbors, Burundi, Rwanda, and Togo and Cameroon. Am not so sure how succesful they were with the latter two. For Tanzania, elderly kenyan grannies will regale you with tales of how their husbands died in combat in Tanzania fighting the germans as british conscripts. Why do you think the Berlin conference was held in Germany?

this is what am saying？german does not play direct colonization on africa soil like FRANCE ,BRITAIN ,PORTUGAL. I dont have the history of namibia or tanzania. In cameroon the land was fought between the french ,english and german army. At the end. Both french and english occupy the land sidelining germany. You know ethiopia will agree they are not colonize but italian will say otherwise. The last time i check namibia and tanzania are english speaking country. By what i just read now. Nambia was colonized by south africa and germany. I still dont have enough information on tanzania. I will update later

obaaderemi:
Starbuck's is an American company.It is a Fortune 500 company and it sells processed coffee in cups and satchets.Yet America does not produce coffee.

this is the reason we can not shift our blame on them. They gain strenght in our weakness

TayserMahiri:
You were poor in history. The germans had a few colonies in Africa

oh really. which part of africa did german directly colonize. i know she play a role in cameroon. i will be glad if you can tell me what i dont know.

TayserMahiri:
You were poor in history. The germans had a few colonies in Africa

oh really. it wi be nice if you can tell me more. german play a diffrent role in cilonization. infact africa is not their target. So tell me more about it.

shervydman:
yeah, man.....but, u really made sense here.
thanks for that.....I couldn't have said more than that.

no i dont think so. may be the truth is what you disagree

popizaino:
adoagyiri or where? because I have never come across any

go to the zongo community. They dwell with the hausa and kotokoli people. Almost all the easter region has a sizeable amount of oshogbo people
. they are mainly in koforidua. do you know there？

shervydman:
thanks............. u made a lot of sense here.

sure so you think am out of track earlier？

Muafrika2:
You know, we are taught a lot about colonization of Africa, but not the reason.

The same way Britain will own most mining companies in Nigeria ... and other companies too

The running of the colonies was taken over after the world war. Only the government. The business and especially mining interests have always been private property.

Have you ever wondered where the imperial companies (Like the German imperial interests were advanced by the German South-West Africa Company and in East Africa by the Imperial German East Africa Company) disappeared to? One thing to always remember is that these were not companies formed by anybody on the street. They were properties of the ruling European families (nobility.) And they are very much alive till now, in other forms, of course.



German economic interests

we need to be careful the way we tell history. you cant blame europe for our underdevelopment. we need to blame ourselves for it. we have oil yet we do not have a working refinary. uk has a very low amount of oil yet he has working refinary that can hold the capacity of the seven largest oil producing country in the world. So tell me how shell ,chevron will not exploit nigeria.

we have cocoa yet we do not have a functionary industry that can process the cocoa into chocholate and pomade. cocoa can not even be nurse in the uk due to the enviroment yet they have the industry to process africa cocoa into chocholate and pomade. They buy it and resell it to us. Tell me again how will they not determine the cocoa price for our farmer. So many of it i cant type.

stop pointing fingers lets blame ourselves

popizaino:
that is my base over there.

awon omo oshogbo wa ni area yen

freshest4live:
You are wrong, Eastern Germany is far behind Western Germany. Frankfurt is the German Lagos followed closely by Munich, and Hamburg at a distance. Even Berlin benefits from Frankfurt.

lol . most of the german beer you consume where do you think they were produce. No german state is a liability. Every state confribute significantly to the economy. Even if eastern germany were to left alone she will be more develop than eastern europe talkless of africa. Bavaria and hamburg are as important like berlin and frankfurt

Muafrika2:
That's because they conquered and took over the other countries' natural resources.

which part of africa does germany exploit or conqured。 dont tell me cameroon.

uzzyfire:
looll the oil in Ghana is not up to d one in port Harcourt

this is the type of argument i dislike .Ghana has a capacity to extract oil in larger quantity to the extent that it attract foreign company tullow to manage the business. River state is the second largest oil producing state in nigeria behind bayelsa . Therefore it can be true. Remember oil producing state in nigeria is not up to 10 state

freshest4live:
You are wrong, Eastern Germany is far behind Western Germany. Frankfurt is the German Lagos followed closely by Munich, and Hamburg at a distance. Even Berlin benefits from Frankfurt.

lol easten german is now even a manufacturing hub。 most of the german beer you consume where do you think they originate from . Bavaria ,hambourg are as important as berlin