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Bidam: I quoted a scriptural witness in Rev12:11 which you interpreted privately, giving a lame excuse for escape saying the revelation was 100yrs or whatever that means..as if you were the with those folks.

Like i keep on saying since you are hard of hearing, it is a confession of faith..pleading the blood is a statement of faith...Read the american revised version of this verse without adding any bias and prejudice to it,"because of the blood of the lamb and because of the word of their testimony"...it is literally saying the blood and the confession of their faith..I even asked you what is their testimony,, you couldn't give a reasonable reply.

Am hard of hearing, in fact am completely deaf to man made traditions sir!

The testimony of the patriachs is found in Heb 11. Like i told olusanya earlier Faith is both active and passive and we know that without Faith we cannot please God. The passive side of faith is trusting, waiting, looking,surrendering and the active side is action,claiming,stepping out, pressing foward,persevering,confession standing firm( pls study more on it) most theologians use to talk about only the passive side of it neglecting the active side of it.

Can you demonstrate Biblical examples of 'passive' versus 'active' faith?

All God's gift including the sacrifice of His Son must be RECEIVED, that is accepted or taken IN BY FAITH believing is NOT ENOUGH.

The greek word for receiving and taking is the same....receiving not only implies God's bestowment, but our acceptance..."Lambano"-implies a more active taking while "Dechomai"-implies a passive acceptance..and the more reason why Christians are urged to EXERCISE THEIR FAITH by going to God and PLEADING on the platform of God's word.

Most folks here are erroneously taking pleading to mean begging or appealing, this is wrong. Though we might not see the exact statement "pleading the blood in scripture" just as we might not see words like "supernatural", trinity, or bible in scriptures but that doesn't negate the reality of those words found in scriptures.

The truth is the blood of Jesus is the basis of our victory but we have to add our testimony, our confession to it and this is done by faith like i stated earlier.We take a STAND against the advesary by saying what the word of God says.

It is just like saying by the stripes of Jesus, i am healed...we don't just believe it...we CONFESS His word...

Read this example of Primitive/Early CHristians using scriptures to engage warfare

[b]Acts 4:18- 31 (KJV)
18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.
21 So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing how they might punish them, because of the people: for all men glorified God for that which was done.
22 For the man was above forty years old, on whom this miracle of healing was shewed.
23 And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.
24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
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That is how you use scriptures in warfare, you don't ADD non-existent concepts. They asked for boldness, they received boldness
Lemme show you another scripture, if you aren't satisfied with the other one..Look closely @ Romans 3:25..I do not have the luxury of quoting all of it because am not on my lappy right now...It says THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD. we have a propitiation that means we have a restoration to fellowship with God. It is not enough to believe in the blood or to have knowledge of it. There must be an application of it.

FAITH IN JESUS is very different from 'I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS nonsense. Every believer must believe that Jesus shed his blood for them. That's all it takes. Blood is not a weapon you wield like a magic wand
I have checked what to plead means as used in bible passages and i found amazingly that it is used in a wide variety of context...for example when God is said to plead with man in isaiah 66:16kjv, it means God states his side of the case..and not that he is begging man..it is a judicial act that admits no reply.

Another meaning of plead is to argue in support of a claim or in defense against the claim of another....to urge reason for or against a thing...to attempt to persuade one by argument or supplication.

Examples abound in scriptures but for time lemme quote few ones.

Is43:26"let us plead together...meaning let us present our arguments on both side.

Ps 35:1..plead means strive, contend...Job13:19,23:6 and a host of others... But i believe the word plead as used for the blood is to intercede, to make petition for..it is from the greek word"huperentugechano".

Again, the blood of Jesus the lamb who was slain from the foundation is not sitting somewhere in a spiritual jar waiting for you to splash it all over with hyssop! Only the High priest spinkled blood on BEHALF of the people

nannymcphee: still on the negative confession

I'm from benin city and there are two common prefix to names here OSA(GOD) and OBA(THE OBA) and other local deities

names like igbinedion(i take refuge in edion[a local diety])

igineogun(i take refuge in ogun[a local diety])

ogunmwentin(ogun has power)

ogunkpolor(ogun is mighty)

you also have same variant but with osa(which means God) eg igbinosa or igbiniejusu(meaning i take refuge in God or jesus

now whenever anyone who bears this name is called, by answering to the call you are affirming what the name says, when a christain who professes that Jesus is lord of his life is called because he bears such name(either because thats his surname or his name or out of ignorance) whenever he answers to that name inst that confusion?

do you think his life will be straight?
James 1:8
A double minded man will be unstable in all his ways

one minute he professes that Jesus is lord of his life and the other minute he responds to his name being called which actually means "ogun has power"?

will the effect of such confusion be seen in his life?

mbaemeka: You would only fool the people in your camp with this mischievous way of taking my words out of context like you do the whole bible.

In the OT the lamb that was to be offered as the sin-offering was to be a white lamb born and bred without any defects or even spots. A single black spot would rule the lamb out as the sacrifice for sins.

Jesus' body was to be offered in the same way but the implications of it meant that he was to never commit any sin. Period. I repeatedly said it on this thread that unblemished when referring to Jesus' body means he never sinned and not that he had a different flesh. That's why I said if the unblemished body of Jesus was to be taken as literal the way the lamb in the OT was then Jesus badly beaten body would not have been good enough.

But you guys are so dishonest to accept a simple truth and only agree with yourself to go against those who expose your ignorance of the word. Imagine someone who said Jesus body and blood were natural now criticising someone who not only said here repeatedly that his blood was divine but also explained the significance of his body, which amongst other things is for our healings. But you guys are the one's who deny healings and claim medical science has replaced it thereby bringing serious disrepute to the body of Jesus.

I cannot possibly say his body was not good enough as a sacrifice when I have been telling you all through that the salvation he wrought for us includes HEALING which is possible because of his bruises. You on the otherhand claim the only thing we are saved from is SIN- disrespecting the scourgings that the lord's body faced.

ha ha ha ha. Go and ask a medical doctor: a baby receives his body (flesh) from his mother but receives his blood from his father. That was why Jesus got conceived by his father- God[b]. He had the sinful flesh but he had sinless blood. The phrase "lamb without blemish" refers to the BLOOD of the lamb and not the flesh for if it were about the flesh then Jesus' badly blemished flesh wouldn't have been good enough.

mbaemeka: Your interpretation is illogical and you would not understand why. When God said he made man in his image and likeness it simply meant to look like him and to . . .wait for it. . . FUNCTION like him! That's why I said Jesus FUNCTIONED as a man. Jesus is GOD but he chose to FUNCTION like a man. He had to have everything that other men had including their very flesh and nothing less or more. Let me show you 3 other translations.

For what the law was not able to do because it was feeble through the flesh, God, sending his Son in the image of the evil flesh, and as an offering for sin, gave his decision against sin in the flesh:
- Basic English Bible
For what was impossible to the Law--powerless as it was because it acted through frail humanity--God effected. Sending His own Son in a body like that of sinful human nature and as a sacrifice for sin, He pronounced sentence upon sin in human nature;
- Weymouth Bible
The Law of Moses cannot do this, because our selfish desires make the Law weak. But God set you free when he sent his own Son to be like us sinners and to be a sacrifice for our sin. God used Christ's body to condemn sin.
- CEV

Why did Jesus need to have the same flesh? To identify with our weaknesses, to subject sin for us showing us that it was possible with his help, to use his body as the sin-sacrifice.

If he had come in any other flesh to condemn sin then it was useless to test or tempt him and it is equally useless to expect us to walk without committing sin. For we do not have the flesh he had when he walked without sin. That's nonsense.

Let me help you understand something- Why was it possible for Jesus to die? There is no middle ground- he either had a body that was mortal or one that was immortal.

mbaemeka: Your problem is no different from some of your brethren even though yours seems more pronounced. I have you on record on this thread saying Jesus blood and body weren't divine and now I have seen you follow the crowd of people who don't study. Let me disgrace you again by the word of God.


John 20:17King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Hebrews 9:24King James Version (KJV)
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Bidam: This guy na clown sha, you don make sleep commot for my eye sef..oya bring out your bible lets discuss why faith is not only passive but active...Ayam waiting.

mbaemeka: Sinful flesh is mortal, Corruptible, earthly flesh. There is only one type of this flesh. In contrast to the Immortal, Incorruptible, spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:39
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh[c] of men

44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality,

Paul was saying this in referring to Jesus' resurrection. Jesus had to be sown as mortal and raised as immortal. The mortal flesh is the natural human body which is what is also referred to as the SINFUL flesh because it can sin, get injured, die etc. Jesus flesh could sin if he let it but Jesus refused to sin- he did not sin. That's what made his body unblemished. If the scriptures meant that he had an immortal body (Sinless body) then he would not have been able to die or get injured.

Bidam: How do you know it is silent for 100yrs Are you claiming to be more than a 100yr old?

mbaemeka: ha ha ha ha. Go and ask a medical doctor: a baby receives his body (flesh) from his mother but receives his blood from his father. That was why Jesus got conceived by his father- God. He had the sinful flesh but he had sinless blood. The phrase "lamb without blemish" refers to the BLOOD of the lamb and not the flesh for if it were about the flesh then Jesus' badly blemished flesh wouldn't have been good enough.

trustman: I responded to what you wrote.
Why can't you people admit when you're wrong?
Instead you come up with something to direct attention away
from your error to something else.

You said Mbaemeka did not say Jesus' body was sinful.
I showed you his post.
At the least say you are wrong then we can go on from there.

Bidam: So tell us what the words of their testimony is preacher?

Bidam: My post answered your query, i never said what you insinuated here.
With the heart you believe and are justified...with your mouth you confess and are saved (Rom 10:10)..The saints in revelation were saved by what? Testifying about the blood of the Lamb or believing ONLY and going to sleep just like you are insinuating here?

mbaemeka: Man, it is blood you need for washing sins. Scripture says without the SHEDDING of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. And the blood of the lamb was for sin-offering. Jesus offered his blood in heaven after his death and resurrection. He ascended twice to heaven hope you know. The first was to offer his blood and the next was the final ascension when his disciples watched him go. Jesus' body was for diseases and sicknesses. That's why he was beaten and scourged oga. Study!!!

I have got to go now. I have a lot to do.

mbaemeka: Don't be daft. If the animal had any physical blemish like an injury was it accepted? How would the animal sin so as to be disqualified? Did Jesus body not get badly beaten and scourged?

Lol@ Hebrews 9:14. Are you so daft that you cannot see what Christ offered without blemish to God was his precious blood that he took to the Most holy place in Heaven?

As per 1 Peter 1:19 I can now confirm that you do not have a clue about what is being discussed. I hereby beseech you to stay out of this. For if you cannot clearly read there that Peter (by the Holy Spirit) said Christ redeemed us by his precious blood the same way a lamb consecrated as the sin-offering had no physical blemish or spot (meaning SIN in relation to Jesus' blood) for what does the lamb having no physical blemish represent?

mbaemeka: Why did God need to bring him through Mary? Why not just create him like Adam?

mbaemeka: Someone with a better grasp of English should put this daft post above straight.

I didn't say Jesus blood wasn’t like Adam's indeed I agreed with you. But when it comes to his body the bible says he was born by Mary and not that God created him like he did Adam. If you can't catch this, get to stepping.

mbaemeka: Join shdemidemi in providing one scripture that says Jesus flesh was unblemished.

mbaemeka: Your reasoning is right but you are directing it at the wrong person and I am surprised 2 people liked your post given that this has been my point concerning Jesus blood all along which is that like Adam, Jesus received the blood he had from God and as such it was sinless blood but we know Jesus body was gotten from Mary. It wasn't created like Adam's.

If you think otherwise please show me the scriptures. I will retract my statements.

Bidam: So are u isolating the words of their testimonies which is a confession of their faith on the shed blood of Christ or reading it in CONTEXT? How can the blood work for you without confessing with your mouth?

Another scriptural witness is 1 john 9. If you don't confess with your mouth, how can the blood purify you from all unrighteousness?

"pleading the blood" is phrase not necessarily used as mouthing it out but coming to God by faith and confessing with your mouth what Jesus had done on the cross of calvary.
Do you have scriptural basis for this or is it a pentecostal tradition?

I never said we should plead the blood over properties or ourselves...What i am saying along few lines is that when the devil accuses us (he is the accuser of the brethren) and make us feel guilty. We need to come to God and confess what the Word of God is saying and that is " I've been forgiven of all my sins and have been accepted into the family of God.

If you say the saints overcame the devil by the words of their testimony, then you are attributing WORKS of the saint to attain righteousness with God and that is a lie cos it has no basis on what the shed blood of Jesus had done.

sonOfLucifer: If there is a lake of fire, you're already burning in it.

sonOfLucifer: Cannibals.

Bidam: A confession of faith....rev 12:11

mbaemeka: What does this verse have to do with anything?

Adam like Jesus got his blood from his Father- God! It was only that sort of impeccable blood that could have saved mankind. Nothing else.

How do you think human blood would do so?

mbaemeka: Keep your ridiculousness to yourself. I didn't say miracle-working was a ticket to heaven. Behold even Derren Brown works some sort of "miracles" but is it in Jesus' name? No. So if he ends up going to hell how does that line up with what Jesus said?

Baby/Carnal Christians sin. It doesn't change who they are. A christian is a christian and a sinner is a sinner.

mbaemeka: If there is any question you asked me that I evaded please bring them to my knowledge so I can respond. I won't go back and forth with you to discuss very very clear scriptures that need no extra interpretation.

Imagine someone telling me that Romans 8:3 means that it was similar to SINFUL FLESH. Lol. What does it mean that it was similar to SINFUL FLESH except that it was sinful flesh? Man, I tricked you and you took the bait. It said he was made in LIKENESS of SINFUL FLESH and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh. This means that his flesh was the same sinful flesh man had and he was made so because of sin so that he could condemn sin in the flesh i.e he could defeat sin by refusing to succumb to it- this is why his body qualified. Even Vooks didn't argue with the scriptures- he simply stretched it to even include Jesus' blood and he is not "WOF" (Whatever the word means).