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Both are totally irrelevant and man-made

It is not why Paul couldn't heal him sir. He too was a partaker of the same faith. Paul states as a matter of fact that they was with him and he was sick and he left him sick. A disease-free utopia preached by WOF is contradicted by existence of sickness near Paul/Paul's companions. Ditto poverty. But you never know, these WOF nuggets was hidden for hundreds of years waiting for Oyaks and others to discover. New revelation

So now we have two dumb excuses for zero healing;
1. Lack of faith/ignorance
2. A precautionary measure lest the faith healer is exalted above measure even

Gombs:
Good question bro! Miletum is not in Ephesus, remember, I said it was a coastal town that had water issues. Now, two perspective

1. This Trophimus and Tychicus, we know from the book of the Acts, sailed away with him from Judea, and were everywhere his companions, perhaps as being more zealous than the rest.

"Trophimus I have left at Miletum sick." Why then didst Paul not heal him, instead of leaving him? Seems like a logical question, right? The Apostles could not do everything, or they did not dispense miraculous gifts upon all occasions, lest more should be ascribed to them than was right. The same thing is observable of those blessed and righteous men, who were before them, as in the case of Moses, whose voice was weak. Why was not this defect removed? Nay, he was often afflicted with grief and dejection, and he was not admitted into the Land of Promise.

2. Miletus was near Ephesus. So it is pertinent to note that this was not Ephesus, but, Did this happen then when Paul sailed to Judea, or upon some other occasion? For after he had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not. We see him however deserted by all. "For Demas," he says, "hath forsaken me. Crescens is departed into Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. Erastus abode at Corinth. Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick."

So obviously, the church in Ephesus had this water challenge, their MOG addressed it, the church marched on...simple! It was not out of place for him (Paul) addressing the Head Pastor of the Church in Ephesus

This is mbaemeko the arch-hooligan from CE who wished me death by road accident and suicide
Revelation 3:17-18 (KJV)
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see

Contrast that with Smyrna.

Revelation 2:8-9 (KJV)
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan

Poverty was not a stranger in the primitive church. Of course they was too dumb to understand their 'position' in Christ. It took WOF wolves to spot what had been missed

mbaemeka:
When Paul made his statement to the Corinthians about Christ being poor for their sakes so that they would be made rich, did he not know about the Macedonians and how "deeply" poor they were?

Notice: I ignored the nit-wittedness you tried to introduce by injecting 'giving' into my post. If you are looking for verses concerning Homologia in the NT you may ask politely and I would oblige you.

Gombs,
If Timothy's ailments affected everyone, was it not out of place addressing him alone?
What about Trophimus?

2 Tim 4:20 (KJV)
Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.

The man who used to sleep under the bridge is an oft regurgitated urban legend. No different from the man who was locked in a freezer and froze to death yet it was switched off. Besides, those instances abound in and out of the church so it proves nothing

There is nothing like 'experiences of unbelievers' this is a solid fact. Leave individuals alone. The sons of Ishmael who are not just unbelievers but antichrists wield trillions of petrodollar. Chinaman a virtually pagan Country is rising by leaps and bounds. Two glaring inconsistencies with your theory. Christianity dangling wealth therefore had NOTHING on the world. Vooks couldn't care less because he is not promising billions of dollars to prospective disciples. Mbaemeko is terminally incoherent

God blesses whenever,wherever and whoever He wills not what you command him. Why does it pain you that God is God and you are not god? Isn't this what Provoked Satan to rebellion?

mbaemeka:
This would have made sense if a man who used to sleep under bridges in Lagos didn't recently sign a multi-billion dollar deal with the Oman government few years after putting the word of God to work and discovering his inheritance in Christ.

A true fiasco in Christianity (if ever there was one) will be those who compare the word of God with the experiences of unbelievers and then strike out bible truths based on such notions. "If Bill Gates is an agnostic but he is the richest man in the world then it therefore means that being Christian or not does not guarantee one wealth" some may say, but if we take it back even to bible days we can tell that many evil kings, Abimelechs and Pharaohs were all wealthy even as people like Abraham and Isaac were- and at least I am sure you would not be foolhardy enough to claim it wasn't God that prospered the latter 2 names I mentioned.

I have answered your question on Hwzekiah in a reply to @Kenny4lyfe
We don't need clarity in your Consent Theory of Christian Death, Jesus will ONLY call you home with your consent. Without your consent you are immortal....immortal negro

Again, Enock like Simeon who you have conveniently abandoned won't advance your Rhapsodies crap. He was translated. Elijah too and Mary if you are into Catholicism mysticism. God CAN translate all Christ Embassy hooligans to hell sparing them first death just he did Enock,Elijah. How does this advance your theory?

You brought up Christ return to demonstrate victory over death since some Christians will still be alive. That's marine invertebrate IQ. why so, ONLY the living Christians at that time can boast of victory over death if victory means escaping death. The rest of the dead were sore losers. Their resurrection and glorification notwithstanding they are sore losers

VICTORY over death is manifested in RESURRECTION, a futuristic event. Read 1 Corinthians 15 backwards twice. That's the essence of a believer's hope. In the meantime, believers and non believers suffer the same fate; death.

Christ death was never meant to tinker with our lifespan and it is insulting to label longer lifespan victory over death because you still die anyway and Christ Embassy hooligans have no monopoly of long life. Do they live long anyway?

mbaemeka:
If only you realized how idiotic some of your questions are, I am not sure you would keep asking them to me. You are saying too many conflated things and one cannot really tell if it just based on infantile whims or if you are indeed seeking clarity. I asked you a question about Hezekiah and I expect you to answer it as it may help us see who is actually using a thinking faculty or who is just being a troll.

Hezekiah was asked to put his house in order by a sovereign God, but he didn't agree with the idea and the sovereign God let him have his way. If Hezekiah had told you that he had such closeness with his God would you not have made jokes of his statement as you are trying to do mine?

Since Enoch did not die, and it wasn't the rapture yet why do you then feel that it is only the rapture that would prevent death for ANY christian?

And here lies the ruse effectively by charlatans to clean your pockets;
1.Both the haves and have-nots are 'rich'
2.The haves in the congregation are those who have spoken 'in agreement with God' and are manifesting whatever they spoke
3. The have-nots are those who should or are speaking and have yet to manifest whatever they are speaking

So you can never get it wrong with this doctrine regardless of your state.
The have-nots would be damned to stop giving to (man of) God BEFORE you manifest your speak
The haves would be damned to stop giving lest they 'lose' their miracle not to mention miss opportunity to have even more

mbaemeka:
If the love of money is the root of all evil then the lack of it is even worse.

The Christian is not the one trying to get rich for he has been reborn into riches. What we are told to do from scriptures is to discover our inheritance. That's why when people hear some christians say "I am rich" they want to check his bank account to see if he has more money than Bill Gates for him to aver such but that is not the law of faith. Faith speaks in agreement with God. If God says Abrahams blessings are yours (and we know the Abrahamic blessings included wealth) I can in the same token say I am wealthy. Regardless of if I am a taxi driver. In fact, being a taxi driver will only be for a while because as one walks in the law of faith, your life experiences begin to measure up with your confessions.

This thinking is the ruse used to keep charlatans in business and givers perpetually waiting.

1. Broke Christians are those speaking 'in agreement' as they await manifestation of their speaking.
2. Rich Christians are those who have spoken 'in agreement' and are already manifesting their speak

So you can never be wrong with this nonsense whether you have or not. Of course you don't want to stop offering BEFORE you start manifesting,and after manifesting you don't want to stop lest you 'lose' your miracle not to mention to manifest even more

mbaemeka:
The Christian is not the one trying to get rich for he has been reborn into riches. What we are told to do from scriptures is to discover our inheritance. That's why when people hear some christians say "I am rich" they want to check his bank account to see if he has more money than Bill Gates for him to aver such but that is not the law of faith. Faith speaks in agreement with God. If God says Abrahams blessings are yours (and we know the Abrahamic blessings included wealth) I can in the same token say I am wealthy. Regardless of if I am a taxi driver. In fact, being a taxi driver will only be for a while because as one walks in the law of faith, your life experiences begin to measure up with your confessions.

Ok bro,
Shalom

Kenny4lyfe:

Don't you mistake my hesitation for fear bro.
I'm only giving you the opportunity to put your "thinking" on the table.

What web?
Are you afraid of expressing your fickle arguments out of fear that they can't stand the Hammer that is God's Word?
Hezekiah prayed, he was healed and added another 15 years THEREFORE Jesus NEEDS @Kenny4lyfe's PERMISSION to take him home. Is this your thinking?

Kenny4lyfe:
Hmmnnn... You caught yourself in the very web you spurned.


You answered the above. Providing an answer to the connection shouldn't be a problem as well nah?

Hezekiah prayed. Let me grant you; he NEVER consented to dying from his illness.
Now please indulge me as a new born babe and demonstrate how you move from Hezekiah's not-consenting/disagreement/prayer for healing and God adding him a fixed 15 years to Jesus seeking CONSENT from believers before taking them home, without which they can live forever

Kenny4lyfe:
This question.

Thinking is the only activity that separates you from animals. So it is unfortunate that you can't or won't think through.

God may need our consent to save/bless us. If we reject his salvation/blessing, we perish/remain 'unblessed'. There is nothing inconsistent or absurd with man resisting(not consenting) Holy Spirit to his damnation. But there is every lunacy in man resisting(not consenting) his Creator to his immortality!

CONSENT means permission. It may mean merely agreeing but if the agreeing is a NECESSARY condition for death to happen,then technically Jesus needs your permission to take you home

You may also want to show me examples of those who misunderstood Paul as yourself and are still with us today thousands of years later

Enock was translated, he never tasted death. Why do you aks?

mbaemeka:
Can God save a man without the man's consent? Can God bless a man without his consent? While pondering on my questions you may also choose to drop the "beg" and "at your mercy" that you have been stretching my posts to mean as I never said Jesus begs for anything.

Do you realise that Paul said Immortality and life was brought to light by the gospel of Jesus? What do you suppose that means and how did Enoch leave this world?

Thank you WinsomeX for this perspective

You see WoF is basically a casino that thrives on probabilities. Here is how;

1. 'Divine Health'- the idea that you can be disease free by combining faith with 'healing verses' and 'sowing seed'.
Subscribers of this doctrine will naturally look for proof of its efficacy. The proponent will either present himself as proof or refer to others who never seem to be sick. This is a very small fraction of ANY congregation anywhere. Of course some people for genes or whatever reasons live near disease-free lives. Nothing to do with their faith.

Armed with this 'proof' the believers will be emboldened in their own belief for 'divine health' being healing of any ailment afflicting them and an assurance of continuation of the same. The 'anomalies' who form majority believers of the doctrine who are sick are presented as
either going through 'attacks',lacking enough faith to muster this lifestyle or living in sin. When the proponents fall sick, they will seek medical solutions in UTMOST SECRECY

So you can't prove nor disprove this since there is a ready excuse for either state

2. 'Kingdom Prosperity'- Works on the same balance of probabilities. In any group of people, some will register significant increase in their income streams and wealth. Again this has nothing to do with faith. This is quite a few as the majority remain the same or deteriorate. Obscene spotlight is shone on the few 'examples' of success to prove that the teaching works. This blinds the followers to the majority who don't register any improvement in their finances. Again excuse for these majority 'anomalies' are weak faith,sin,curse,rebellion,'wilderness experience', test of patience,carnality and so forth

3. Death- Here we run into headwinds seeing poverty/suffering,health and death are all consequences of the Fall of Man.
It is a glaring contradiction to teach believers that it is possible to live disease-free and poverty-proof life yet they are still dying.
You can't possibly entertain the idea that death still reigns supreme even after the cross since in that case you would be forced to explain why the other two can't reign. You can't rubbish death by flashing your immortality unlike your wealth and health either

You are forced to cling to straw mbaemeka style in convincing yourself that your death is somewhat different from that of other lesser mortals.

Foreknowledge of your death is not necessarily proof of victory over death. Suicide victims,or terminally ill too are seldom caught offguard by death

Long life too is no victory over death seeing non-believers too live just as long and in any case, you will still die.

Being alive at Jesus return is no proof either; many unbelievers will be there too

That's why mbaemeko is clinging to the CONSENT Theory of Christian death. It is basically driven by a need to act God at any cost. What a pity. He will read ANY meaning into any portion of scripture to keep his theory intact

WinsomeX:
Vooks,

Why are you surprised at this position? Is God not an errand boy for WoFaithers? God certainly needs their permission or is it cooperation for them to die. They are gods and God is at their beck and call. They are not subject to God's plans, rather God is subject to their plans.

Why is death is so feared by WoF? Because WoF does not teach a hope of salvation. All their hope is on earth: prosperity, healing, promotion, etc.

So our example for Christian death is Hezekiah. It is not Jesus, who died an "untimely" death at 33. Or the apostles of the Lamb who were all martyred. James even killed before the church could move into full swing. Steven stoned to death.

Our example is Hezekiah. And if we look at the Hezekiah issues, where in that story was he cooperating or telling God when to die? Scripture records he pleaded with God and God answered his plea. Paul's assistant was sick unto death and God heeded Paul's plea in Philippians.

There is only one reason WoF fear death: they do not have a certainty of their salvation.

What question?

Kenny4lyfe:
I'm patiently waiting for your response to that question...

Negro,
it don't matter which you meant, it is the NECESSITY of CONSENT that baffles. Jesus is basically at your mercy despite him 'reserving the right to call you home'

CONSENT(from you) is necessary for you to check out meaning without it you are immortal

mbaemeka:
Consent that I referred to was to cooperate; agree. Hope that makes you feel better.

Do you now see how Hezekiah didn't "cooperate" with God when he was told to put his house in order? Can you juxtapose that with what Moses and Jesus did?

Caveat: Agreeing with God is a mark of true maturity.

CONSENT defined

con·sent (kn-snt)
intr.v. con·sent·ed, con·sent·ing, con·sents
1. To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree. See Synonyms at assent.
2. Archaic To be of the same mind or opinion.
n.
1. Acceptance or approval of what is planned or done by another; acquiescence. See Synonyms at permission.
2. Agreement as to opinion or a course of action: She was chosen by common consent to speak for the group.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consent
You will start living the moment you step beyond Rhapsodies mantras which you are trembling at the very thought of differing with

mbaemeka:
^^^^

What a struggle!

CONSENT defined
1con·sent
verb \kən-ˈsent\

: to agree to do or allow something : to give permission for something to happen or be done
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consent

Was God begging permission to take Hezekiah home?
Did Hezekiah choose how much longer to live?

mbaemeka:
^^

I keep giving you lifelines but you keep veering off into further illogicalities because you would not study or understand. Please answer the question about Hezekiah, I dare you to!

Let us breakdown my statement so that you would catch this time (I pray God).

1. Jesus reserves the right to call us home.
2. BUT he doesn't do it without our consent/foreknowledge/cooperation.
3. He is that kind.

Example 1: God wants to call Moses home so he says "Moses, go and die there". Moses says "ok lord" and goes to die.

God reserved the right to call Moses and Moses consented.

Example 2: God wants to call Hezekiah home so he says "put your house in order". Hezekiah says "No lord, I still want to serve you more and I know dead men can't do that". God then says "Ok son, I would give you 15 more years".

God reserved the right to call Hezekiah but Hezekiah didn't consent to it and God wasn't offended. He is that kind.

Mbaemeka says the same things in a synopsis and vooks began throwing fits in frustration.

Jesus begging a negro consent to take him home:
Jesus: Negro, can I take you home?
Mbaemeka: Hell no!

Simeon don't support your heresies. Neither does Hezekiah except you show me how

mbaemeka:
^^
The resident incorrigible troll. Please respond to my Hezekiah question and maybe we can take it from there.

mbaemeka:
First off, death is referred to as the enemy. Secondly, it might interest you again to know that not all christians will die (so just keep that in perspective when you speak about death). Thirdly, Jesus has the keys of Hell and Death now so (for us christians) he reserves the right to call us home and he doesn't do it without our consent (he is that kind).

bla de bla
Jesus needs your CONSENT before taking you home. Don't revise that, it is obvious what you meant; you exit in your own terms. What if you hit 'old/ripe age' and resist going home.

Whatever happens after death don't change the fact that you die and rot like any other satanist; it is still death negro Call it rest,sleep,repose or whatever you still check out of this earth and you are mighty scared

God NEVER revealed to Simeon hundreds of years BC because Simeon would never have lived hundreds of years. This is not about what God can, it is about what He does. Jesus could have willed John to live till he returns, but He didn't never has,never will and most certainly will not beg you once you reach your 'ripe age' which you may not! All men are subject to death and faith in Christ plus wielding Rhapsodies don't change that nor does calling yourself a god.

Whatever definition you give to 'ripe' age /long life, millions of faithless have surpassed. So clocking 'ripe' age really don't set you apart from humanity in any way

The reason some believers won't face death is NOT because they have some special power over death but because Christ will return BEFORE their inevitable death rendering the process moot. Start thinking. In any case, if believers meeting Christ before dying means they have power over death, then all the dead saints had no power over death. What confusion is that? It is implying that SOME benefit of Christ death on the cross and resurrection are EXCLUSIVE to some latter day believers alone and everyone before them missed it completely


Once again, name one thing you have ever done that exceeded the least of Christ's miracles. You have NONE

mbaemeka:
^^^^

Oh, the import of your post would be meaningful to those who fear the devil so much so that they have conceded he is the god of your world. I am very different in that regard and that's because I have taken the word of God for who he is and what he has made me: " A god over the devil and his cohorts". So you can see why the more you keep asking me about creating planets, the more half-witted you continue to sound. I never said I was Elohim (creator God) neither have I said that I am a member of the Godhead. But I definitely am god over sickness, poverty, failure, ignorance and death and any other thing that come by the devil and I would not apologise for that.

If you could read words of the bible without adding your flawed interpretations into them, you would have seen where Jesus said to the Jews how God called men "gods" simply because they received the word of God and he concluded that the scriptures cannot be put aside. So why are you offended that I believe the word of God to that degree that it appears foolish to you and other sense-ruled men?

Speaking of death I said 3 things that I am sure you didn't catch and I would just repeat them again for the sake of posterity. One, not all Christians will die. Two, True Christians don't translate out of this world like other men. Paul called it sleep: out of the body and ahome with Christ. And Three, that long life is part of the Abrahamic blessings. So see me as someone who is constantly conscious of these truths compared to some others very similar to satanists who fear death so much they have accepted it as something that could come any time yet they spend all their resources trying to postpone the same death that they pretend not to be afraid of.

Moreso, you would be positioning yourself into more and more delusions if you call me WOF even after I have repeatedly said I am otherwise, yet you exchange pleasantries with some others even on this thread that do not agree with the same things with you. For example, tell us your take on salvation and see if it would agree with Trustman's yet nobody calls you lot by any general name apart from confused.

Apart from that, there's no "WOF" Preacher I have listened to that says anything about death that is contrary to what is seen in the bible so you can keep deriding yourself by lying so you can appease the other confused people who take sides with you. It is akin to the same lies some of you tell about sicknesses and diseases because you have refused to accept God's word as true and provable.

Simeon does not support your folly let me also put a rude reminder. Simeon heard God tell him he would not die until he saw his son born, which means Just like Methuselah[b] if God had tarried with providing his son for another 500 years[/b], Simeon would still have been alive. That's why someone like John the Divine was still alive regardless of how many times attempts were made on his life simply because he was to receive the revelations of the end. So take this into cognizance when you spew out incoherent gibberish because you would not study to show yourself approved.

I would have given you another sound thrashing on the way I used consent but I would be casting pearls to swine so I would ask you another question to further confuse you. When God told Hezekiah to get ready to die did he consent to the idea or did he seek otherwise? If you refuse to answer the question then it is clear that you are the hooligan trying to project his hooliganism on those of us who know so much better.

For your Post scripted question, maybe you should direct it to Jesus himself for he is the one who said Christians will do greater works than him. Unlike you, I accepted the word as truth without trying to rationalize it and the more I did so, the more I witnessed tremendous miracles wrought by my own hands in the name of Jesus to the glory of the father and to the shame of satan and his kids, chief of which are those who are too pusilanimous to act like Jesus spoke the truth.

Mbaemeko,
Recall this came from your fantasies of being gods. Somebody aksd you why you still die and you attempted to paint death among believers as any different from non-believers by quoting irrelevancies- Jesus and the keys of death,death is an enemy,Jesus begs for your consent.......

DEATH is the biggest blow to WOF heresies seeing it proves the most RABID adherents to be no different from the next satanist; they fall ill,succumb,and most importantly DIE. You can't recite Rhapsodies in tongues and earn immortality. You can get away with disease seeing some primates just don't seem to get them, you can also get away with poverty seeing Some believers wax richer and richer, BUT you can't run away from death. And I see it scares the hell out of you.

Simeon was never promised long life,mortality or anything, just that Christ would be born in his life. From his words after seeing baby Jesus,we gather he was an old man. How that translates into Jesus seeking his CONSENT before taking him home is only logical if you have been fed Rhapsodies crap since you was born

How do you equate dying in old age to Jesus seeking your consent before taking you home?

Christians and Christ Embassy hooligans like you have no longer lifespan than Mormons

I commend you for resisting from cursing me the third time but you need exorcism if you can't apologize for wishing me death twice. That's witchcraft


PS: What have you ever done that's greater than the least of what Jesus Christ did?

mbaemeka:
Don't be an obstinate dolt. This is what I said:

This simply means like Hezekiah he can say put your things in order and come home and I can follow the Hezekian route or submit like say Stephen (Submission is better FYI). I know it is too big for you but I am quoting scriptures at least. You tell me, if Simeon had to wait till he was 630 to see the messiah would it have been amiss? All the Holy Spirit told him was that he would not leave this world until he saw the messiah. If Simeon says "I cannot die any how" [cognizant of the promise of the Holy spirit] some religious neophytes would begin to cry blue murder but to their own detriment and chagrin.

As per your reference to exorcism the joke is fully on you given that you endorsed the cretinous notion of the christian having 2 natures as posted by some poster. It is you and such fellows that are cohabiting demons and the old human spirit side by side within. It is responsible for multiple personality disorders and the penchant to twist people's post to satisfy the whims of your very obvious scriptural incapacitation.

All Christian movies sucks

mbaemeki,
You clearly said Christ will seek your CONSENT in taking you home not that you will live to a ripe age. What if you hit a ripe age and don't consent? Will you hit overripe?

mbaemeka:
First off, death is referred to as the enemy. Secondly, it might interest you again to know that not all christians will die (so just keep that in perspective when you speak about death). Thirdly, Jesus has the keys of Hell and Death now so (for us christians) he reserves the right to call us home and he doesn't do it without our consent (he is that kind).

https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/20#25871643
Simeon was never promised ripe age nor immortality, just that Christ would be born in his life.

You need to start thinking and meditating on the Written Word instead of regurgitating mantras off Rhapsody of Unrealities negro

And this is the second time you are subtly wishing me death
Yesterday you wished I died in a car crash
Today you are wishing me suicide by poison
Looks like years of CE have yet to exorcise the primitive African in you; you are still into sorcery

mbaemeka:
3. You would only garner a few likes here and there by the same brethren of the confused with this statement.
4. No christian will perish I said so. The one about anybody who has ever cast out devils in Jesus name will never perish is your derided and deluded imagination at work. Maybe you should list the many people that are performing miracles in Jesus' name that he would deny. I am sure you know what "MANY" means.
6. If you can show me how Jesus raised himself from the dead I will concede.
5. Oh don't get all maudlin on me, you are certain you can die anyhow and any time. I only mentioned one of the means for you. Another one would be you committing suicide by guzzling arsenic [/b]but then you would not get to see me receive a crown of righteousness in heaven.
1. Since I am in one of those show-ignoramuses-scriptures-to-shut-them-up-again moods. Maybe you can explain these verses to me.

Genesis 15:15King James Version (KJV)
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; [b]thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

Genesis 25:8King James Version (KJV)
8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

Luke 2:25-26King James Version (KJV)
25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

I am sure the Holy Spirit that spoke to Abraham and Simeon is a different one in you. Well, sucks to be you as I have the same Holy spirit living in me. That same one teaches me all truth and gives me all things to enjoy. So don't expect me to leave this world like all of you (you know the "you" ) and don't be offended that God's word is not newspaper to me. When I read it, I do so conscious of the fact that I am taking life into me and being metamorphosed into the same glory of the word. So every now and then you will hear me say things that will be too big for the poorly stuffed religious mind.

Of course it is a sin just as is wearing a suit; they should be donning animal skins and eating wild fruits and locusts like John the Baptist

Mbaemeko
You are God and I know your ways and thinking is very different from vooks' a mere mortal
Now you are subtly cursing me
Some of the unscientific and unscriptural assertions you have made so far;
1. Jesus needs your permission BEFORE taking you home, meaning your immortality is in your hands
2. Jesus blood came from God but his flesh came from Mary because blood of an infant comes from the Father according to CE Science
3. Jesus flesh was badly blemished but his blood was not and as such his flesh was NEVER fit for our redemption
4. Men will stand before the throne and LIE about miracles they NEVER did
5. Anybody who has ever cast out devils or healed in Jesus name will NEVER perish
5. Pastor Chris is a Dignitary and you don't speak evil of dignitaries. Vooks ain't dignitary and you wish him death
6. You can and actually do ALL Jesus did except I haven't seen you create another sun nor raise yourself up from dead

mbaemeka:
^^^^
Keep looking for my attention like the philosophers stone [b]or better still get yourself killed in a car crash or something [/b]and leave those of us who have refused to be subject to the whims of the devil- the same one you seek to support (albeit unbeknownst to you).

You make much sense until you realize that Christian leaders receive a lot of private information from their congregation by way of counseling,prayer request and testimonies unlike secular leaders. That they conveniently forget to reciprocate this is quite telling.

I suppose it's like bad 'omen' to just stand there and say, 'by His stripes am healed' but am flying out to India for a major surgery'. Imagine the benefit of honesty. The whole congregation praying with you. Now contrast that with a proud leader who won't admit to stubborn and probably life threatening sickness, and instead opts to fight it out alone

I don't purport to make laws on this subject but you know too well it ain't right pretending. And BTW,this extends to sin. I don't expect them to keep on confessing every time they fall but covering it up with a cloak of righteousness won't help. Ditto marital issues. Always cultivating a happily-married image when all you got is an empty shell. I recall listening to one American televangelist. She went on and on praising her hubby in public including sharing how wonderful their sex life was. The following weeks she was in the limelight for battery/domestic violence. Divorce quickly followed

This bravado may be the enemy's ploy to isolate them from their closest source of support

adsonstone:
When public figures are sick, it is not always heard of, religious or not.
If the non religious ones are shielded, I believe the religious ones are most often, not shielded.


If you believe it is shielded, I can say it is not intentional. The sick one usually won't be the one to publicize, and if others do not, it is no one's fault.

The congregation is always aware when my local Pastor is sick...but he rarely is.

...and if you believe it should always be made public, you can take a step by getting to open a thread for every sick Pastor you find out about.

Paul I repeat had no qualms publicizing Timothy's frequent ailments. Timothy was an MoG & leader as they come. So the idea that leaders weaknesses should be shielded from their followers is not quite Biblical.

The reason politicians hide theirs Mugabe style is because it is a sign of weakness and may destabilize their countries or give undue advantage to their enemies,real or imagined. Very common among strongmen and dictators.Why should the church copy the world in projecting power and invincibility? If they were as forward, maybe our prayers may save them!

adsonstone:
No, it is not a sign of weakness....and they are not supposed to fall sick but they are not immune to sicknesses either.
Of course, God doesn't want us sick.

They feel pain, hunger, thirst, sicknesses and other things humans feel...when they feel all these, their close ones know about it, not necessarily everyone.

But op, do you expect them to announce on TV and Radio stations when they are sick?

Or who does that?
Do our national leaders (President, Governors and other elites) announce they are sick?
Has Dangote ever announced his sickness or have you ever known when he's sick?
Do you ever hear when the U.S president is sick?
Do you always hear about the Pope's illnesses?

Or is that a sign of 'weakness

Why then do sickness give them endless nightmares?

timilehing:
God uses sickness to correct humans for their wrongdoing. Read Job

Paul apparently went public with his 'thorn in the flesh',infirmities, Timothy's 'frequent ailments, and Trophimus (2 Tim 4:20). He was not as 'private' with these Men of God's sicknesses

Orunto:
It is not weakness. They are trained to always wait for God's healing to be done in them. And when they go privately, but not secretly as you pu it, they are seeking pointers to God's Hands to do the healing.

Prosperity myths that giving tithes and offerings to men is a ticket out of lack and misery are actually fraudulent and they mightily distort how we relate to God. Paul must have missed this revelation for not prescribing it to Macedonians or God who neither sleeps nor slumber forgot about the poor saints of Jerusalem who were dirt poor despite many giving their all

Many especially faith-healers variety deem sickness a contradiction of their doctrine of Mountain-Moving-Faith + 'divine health' verses = disease-free bliss. Why would I be preaching healing while am on antibiotics and painkillers?

Rather than abandon their obviously flawed unbiblical stance, they live a lie. Now they are guilty of not just wrongly dividing the Word but also of deceit. So sad and comical

Are they not supposed to fall sick, or is this a sign of 'weakness'?

Self-righteous coward who will not consent to his 'going home' till he hits 600 years
Answer trustman

mbaemeka:
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What is the definition of the word Faith or meditate as used in the bible and how does it compare with the definitions as offered by sense-ruled men who compiled a dictionary?