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The dumbest excuse I have heard from image for tithing is, blessings come from various things such as prayer,charity and tithing and that nobody can refute this. I wonder whether they admit menstruating women to their congregation and what blessings come from that, or what the Spirit has led them to develop out of that and apply today.

And since they believe there is nothing wrong with keeping Feasts, why don't they keep them to secure whatever blessings accrue to these. Or circumcise their boys as well and fulfill all righteousness

Drummaboy,
Thank you for organizing this great piece of work.
Candour, Image thank you for your good work in contributing. It is sad that it has ended

What were you promised?

Image123:
That's a most deluded conclusion i must say.

You attempted to derail this thread but failed. Why does it hurt you so much? Do you preach this trash by any chance or was you scammed as well?

Image123:
When are you not wrong? Blind critics are always wrong, though they hardly know it.

There is no Baby Jesus nor Virgin Mary. He is the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world and every knee in heavens, on earth and under (you know that place ) will bow and confess that He is Lord of Lords

Repeat, Lucifer stands judged and condemned eternally. You have a chance, he don't

sonOfLucifer:
Okay. Keep believing in em fables. Baby Jesus and his virgin momma. Lucifer reigns supreme.

I thought so. There is nothing unbiblical with Christians being called righteous

ice234:
My view: she isn't

So, is Sinach wrong?

ice234:
Yes I believe this with faith. I am holy due to the fact that Christ is in me and it is the basis for my holiness, its not of my own accord or will but through Christ our Lord.
I am made of the image of Christ therefore I am holy. Whenever I sin and ask for forgiveness, my sins are wiped away.

What will it take to convince him other than the verse I just shared?

Tallesty1:
Because he is not convinced

Profuse apologies
Sinach says 'am righteous, am holy' I have given the basis for those lyrics. Of course 'I' is believer not humanity. Nobody is righteous, we are MADE righteous in Christ and on this basis we can say we are righteous. Do you believe this?

ice234:
Why can't you just make your point without throwing tantums.

Can't we just be mature for once on public forum. You made a good statement but killed it off with ur insults. Not good at all.

Pray for all the deluded fools who believe this

why are you disagreeing?

cuteprinz:
Thanks for the "sense". Now, read my post again carefully. I have a Bible and NO one is hating anybody. Do you know anything about self appraisal?

2 Corinthians 5:21King James Version (KJV)

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


If you read your Bible, you would avoid senseless disagreement

Paul in Romans is talking of the state of man that necessitates the blood of Jesus shed on calvary. He is saying all have sinned and is quoting Psalms 14:1-3,53:1-3. The law won't suffice to make us right with God. Please read the entire chapter and quit hating

I was wrong, they are not hooligans but heckling trolls
https://s29.postimg.org/4kbayvlgn/e_Troll.jpg

Image123:
You can't answer. vooks

Look at you

Image123:
i was hoping you could answer. Who are the hooligans and how were they rattled?

I don't expect spammers to comprehend

Image123:
What? That is the most senseless thing i've read this month. Putting a thread in my name is somehow a sign of growth?
BTW, who are the hooligans and how were they rattled?

There is something I have observed with MoGs, they attempt as far as possible to appear above/beyond reproach Caesar's wife style.
I listened to Juanita Bynum preach in August 2007 and before she got to her sermon she was happily praising her then husband Weeks saying their sex life was over the moon. Then a few weeks later reports of her battery,separation and then divorce emerged.

There is no extent an MoG will not go to preserve a 'perfect' image. It's all perception management. Gotta look the part. They fall sick and they send proxies to buy them drugs.

I don't believe Anita just woke up in April 2 months after their anniversary and filed for divorce. They were just going through the motions for cameras' sake

BabaGnoni:
https://s15.postimg.org/618s5foiz/Wed_Anniversary.jpg
No doubt twas a head over heels ... and likely still is, but hey...

You SonofLucifer,
Your father is a creature fully judged by the Creator.you may Cuss all the way to hell but you will go with him son except you repent. He is a liar....a big liar. There is no truth in him
Revelation 20:1-3 (KJV)
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

sonOfLucifer:
Hallo.

Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability- http://www.ecfa.org/
I like the fact that they attempt to set governance standards among the evangelicals. These simplistic guidelines are what makes a ministry to outlive its founder as well as surviving their exit. Of course very few African pentecostal sects/churches/leaders would sibmit to that level of scrutiny and accountability

Sad day for the Body of Christ. A boardroom coup is not unimaginable

Anyone telling you that confessing some portions of scriptures and faith keeps diseases at bay is a liar. God heals when,where and whomever He wills. Forget those Christ Embassy gods the likes of mbaemeka who believe that if they don't consent to Christ taking them home, they will never die

Weah96:
Mountains don't respond to verbal commands, contrary to what the bible says.

The bible is in conflict with REALITY.

@Weah96,
You are hopping all over. Let's start with your first statement.

Weah96:
Jesus said in the bible somewhere that a small amount of faith is capable of moving mountains. Into the ocean!!

How many mountains have you seen moved into oceans since creation?

What are you here talking about? What is the point of having faith if the God is going to do what he wants anyway?

Did Timothy lack enough faith to heal him of his frequent ailments? You don't order God around by quoting His Word and believing it

Let's extrapolate your suggestion even further. Who's responsible for the Ebola itself, since the God is the most sovereign authority in the universe?

God is truly sovereign but this is fallen creation, you have earthquakes, Tsunamis, accidents,death, pain,virus and it will remain like this until the end
Romans 8:20-21 (HCSB)
20 For the creation was subjected to futility — not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it — in the hope 21 that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of corruption into the glorious freedom of God’s children.

What is their theology,God's will? Or is it decreeing things and they are established? Was it God's will to be together in the first place?
But trust discussing Oyaks divorce to be blasphemy as far as they are concerned

Favourcharles23:
no

What

OmoPastor:

Mbaemeko,
Why are you still regurgitating this nonsense that a child's blood comes from the mother?
Stretch this further, where did half of Jesus DNA come from? Was it Divine? Every part of an animal/man including blood comes from information coded in DNA which is contributed equally by BOTH parents. So, was half of Jesus' biology/body divine?

Why stop at the blood what extends to his entire body? The reason is to maintain the heresy of 'divine blood of Jesus' at the expense of his 'badly blemished flesh'. You can't have components of the Man Jesus answering to Divine while others answer to humanity. That's a contradiction in science and has no basis in scriptures.

The teaching came from sincere hearts in the age of ignorance but it was never biblical in the first place. You mbaemeko carry DNA that code for your blood half of which came from your mother and the other half your father. Once conceived, you went about manufacturing your own blood based on this DNA. so when you say the blood does not come from the mother, you are half right; it comes from the fetus based on BOTH parents' DNA. You are half wrong in claiming it comes from the father

And who told you the spirit of man is transmitted by the father through the blood? You may be right but you have no proof, it is pure speculation and you would do well to call it thus instead of spewing it with authority. If this speculation is based on the belief that the father is the source of blood, then it is based on a WRONG premise. If the spirit follows DNA, then both parents' spirits contribute to the infant's spirit. What if whatever we observe in the lab is a manifestation of the spiritual?

And you are yet to answer me why you are yet to revive a 4 days old corpse Lazarus style out of your own faith

Am certain your beliefs mirror DeHaan's
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_MR_DeHaan/Chemistry/04.htm

mbaemeka:
The father of a baby is responsible for the babies blood (and in spiritual terms spirit) while the mother is responsible for the body/flesh. Jesus had to be a Jew; from David's lineage; totally human and to have a human body that was why he needed a mother or else God would have simply spoke him into being without having any earthly parents. That would have been the only way he would have come in another flesh and in that case he NEVER would have died.

He was made like us in every respect only that he had the divine/righteous nature/ righteous spirit; a spotless blood; and he didn't sin.

What a struggle of a point. Nobody has said any man can save us the way Jesus saved us. But now that we are saved we can do the same miracles he performed because he told us so and we have the same holy spirit that he had. Period.

This is exactly why you will NEVER catch a Jehovah's Witness meditating on nothing else but Awake and Watchtower. Everyone else is trash.
The next step is to publish a Christt Embassy Bible that expounds scriptures 'more accurately'. Very cultlike

And we see some deification of Oyaks here; his teachings are UNIQUE and ABOVE all else. Little wonder you look down on 'outsiders' as lost. I suppose AL men at CEC will divorce their wives so as not to b'break ranks'

Joagbaje:
@Martinosi

If you have brought people in sound teachings, to know who they are in Christ and understanding their authority against the devil , will you allow a book that will teach them that sickness in the willl of God to keep us humble. Different ministers functions at different levels of understanding of truth. Some ministers are still feeding on milk like Peter and james, While some are cracking bones like Paul. Every man should face his congregation. It takes boldness and audacity to teach the hard truth that pastor Chris teaches and men of God all over the world from all races are learning from him. What some call heresy today in their ignorance will soon become popular belief. Religious people once fought agains wearing jewelries, trousers, handshake, even the use of musical instruments in churches expecially using " JAZZ DRUM" etc But gradually ,as light comes, darkness fade away. We will fully comprehend all truth some day, before the rapture.we will come to unity of faith.

Ephes. 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

This is exactly why Oyaks is divorcing his not so man-of-God wifey who is always bitter and very difficult.

1. ESTEEMING HIM means NEVER questioning nothing
2. Questioning nothing means causing strife/ breaking ranks

Can you for a second apply the same thinking to a cult or fringe sect such as Jehovah's witnesses....how would they ever be saved with all these subtle threats and strict enforcement of conformity?

mbaemeka:
BEWARE OF DOGS! B EWARE OF MISCHIEF MAKERS!

I didn’t say it, merely voicing the thought of the spirit of God that says beware! Beware! Beware!

Isn’t it amazing that when a flyer, board or a notice is placed in front of a structure stating the “afore”, it doesn’t mean that the dogs (not referring to four legged creatures) and the mischief makers are outside the vicinity but inside? Right inside!, hmmmn. in other words, paul, by the leading of the spirit was warning the church to be circumspect of the dogs and evil workers in their own midst.
Phill 3:2
Beware of Dogs, beware of evil workers……

So who are the dogs and how do we recognize them?
Simple, Jesus told us about them when he said we shouldn’t give what is holy to them. Its like saying don’t give them the “meat” of the word don’t tell them the secrets of the kingdom. Why? Because, in his own words “they’d trample over it and make a mess of it”.

I don’t know if anybody takes this seriously but I do because if you examine closely he creature he used in this analogy Jesus said a dog.

Why dog? Well as you may have already known dogs don’t do most things out of reason-they act on impulse. They’d eat the same stool their system rejected, they’d follow even a robber who came to operate in a house they were supposed to be guarding if the robber offers it a cheap meal, they’re shameless; seconds after washing a dogs body it would run back into the dirt, rolling and tumbling in the dirt- the same dirt that was painstakingly removed from its body by its owners and lastly (from personal experience) no matter how delicious and well prepared the food you give it is, a dog will always prefer food from trash cans, rancid milk, decomposed fish and other manner(s) of junk that will most definitely affect its well being.

Do you see the close relationship it has with some Christians…yes Christians?

When you give them the accurate teaching of the word of God (I mean from scripture and in its working) they reject it and say its “heretical.”
When you help transform their mind by the cleansing power of the word , they’d always want to go back to the junk they already knew. What they always thought was right.
They say they’re members of a church, yet they don’t agree with what is being taught there. “Then why do you remain there?” they don’t know. They’re dogs and mischief makers!

They love divisions and they love to pride themselves in it. Yet the bible says that the “the power of a people is their unity”, didn’t you read Gen 11:6

They’re the reasons for the rebel armies in many countries today. Their cause maybe just (rarely ever) but they go about airing their views in a way that causes divisions and striving. Sadly, they’re in the church; in our midst.

Take Judas for example, when Jesus was honored by a woman, he was offended (he wouldn’t give but he’d be offended when others give much-kunleoshob style. He wouldn’t listen to the message, yet he would try ever so often to bamboozle others with vituperative words. He stole from the treasury, he betrayed his master for money, we know where he ended…he was a dog and he was a mischievous person.

1thess 5 :12-13

The bible tells us to esteem our leaders very highly in love for their work sake. It didn’t say esteem them (which is already high enough) but it said esteem them “very highly” in love and to do it not because you like their face(s) or clothes but for their work sake, telling us that we would be at peace with ourselves when we do it.
Then in the following verse he said “warn those that are unruly” the word unruly there means those who “break ranks”; I mean those who deviate from the prescribed order-they have the Judas spirit.

Brothers and sisters there is a prescribed order of doing things don’t deviate from it. If a teaching was given and you find it difficult to understand, ask the leader above you, if he/she doesn’t understand it the both of you should move to the next leader above till you get the required answer. Don’t work against the scripture; follow the prescribed order. I urge you, don’t break the ranks; stop acting like a spiritual supervisor/ spiritual EFCC aka church “spy” (taking after the “I’v been there for six month” tag) if you don’t submit to authority, authority will never be given you.

Stop twisting the words of your leaders to create divisions and cast aspersions stop being divisive scripture calls you a dog and is telling us to beware of you.

Your attitude shows you were never one of us (like boy sir john) you only got in there to split hairs and cause a division to cause people to rebel against the scripture, to raise witches in the house of God, you don’t have the same spirit with us, you’re dangerous! Be careful bro don’t try to thread where even angels dread. Don’t kick against the stones.

Many have explained the reason for the questions you put up that’s why I didn’t bother going over it again but the spirit of God put this in my heart to post. There were many challenges but by his grace I always able to put this out.

Beware of dogs! Beware of mischievous people! Because they’re not outside the church but inside-right inside. Bless yall

These are the paragon of sacrifice. They don't stop at tithing, they give 100% and then watch God come through for them. Quite inspiring.
Until you factor in the 'tips' they collect in the line of duty. They will never disclose how much 'prophet's gift' and all other unaccounted for random but certain offerings that come their way from the sheeple in between salaries.

So next time your pastor exhorts you to emulate him by giving up your salary, remember nobody will 'tip' you as much. In short, their so called sacrifice is nothing compared to yours because of their irregular cash inflows. They are no different from the Pharisees who proudly boast of their huge offerings yet it is never out of their scarcity unlike the poor widow but out of 'off-balance sheet' abundance

I have no doubt if There was no Touch-Not-My-Anointed gag orders in CE, some bold CE adherent would have corrected Oyakhilome and saved this marriage. The fatalism of 'let God deal with him' is what caused this. You can blame Devils,spiritual attacks,'God's will' but you can't convince yourself

Touch-Not-My-Anointed,
God does not deal with Christian leaders any differently from Christians
It is common sense that zero accountability breeds the most despicable sins. All that non sense of 'breaking rank','reviling gods','eating the body unworthily' is why the Pentecostal movement and Christianity is losing steam

It amounts to gagging the very people who are most likely to correct you,your congregation. I'd be least surprised if mbaemeko and other CE hooligans saw Oyaks divorce coming years ago but did nothing in the name of Touch-Not-Ny-Anointed nonsense

@Image123,Grow up and put a thread to your name and let's see how far it will go

Trustman,drummaboy and BabaGnoni, you are blessed beyond measure for rattling these hooligans. They have no excuse

Image123:
What advice?

Brandishing 'healing verses' and having faith in God is no magic recipe for healing. God is sovereign and He heals when,where and whomever He wills, not whatever you command Him to. He is not a genie

The teaching that we can actually command God to do our bidding is why this question is being aksed
Miracles are packaged and exported for fee yet when the real test of their efficacy shows up, nobody will step up. If we had taught God's sovereignty in these matters, nobody would expect much from us even in the face of this epidemic. But teaching sovereignty is killing the goose that lays million nairas and US $$. Faith Healers champion invincibility & GUARANTEE and for this many gullible negroes pay them an arm and a leg. If I told you God can heal you when,where and whenever He wants to, that makes me 'ordinary' . So, why would you 'sow a seed' to 'tap into my healing prowess?

Over to the faith healers, the likes of mbaemeka; the joke is on you

KLand: The writer of the article was referred to as a "skeptic from Nigeria". That's funny...

Anyway, let him understand that spiritual things don't work that way. God still heals but He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him.

In most cases, it's the sick that goes to the doctor..... Not vice versa. Healing is available to those who go to God in faith. The men of God are not the healers in themselves, but channels .......

So NOBODY in the whole of West Africa has had enough faith to exorcise Ebola since the epidemic struck?

God heals when,where and on whomever He will not of anybody weilding 'healing verses' and having faith. The moment Christians understand that being born again does not transform you into a superman who orders God around is when Christianity will have arrived in Africa

judedwriter: Very silly thread-wish I could get a return ticket to liberia for d chap that posted dis crap for him to hold a healing crusade for all those dying from ebola. Let's not tempt God-ebola is too small for Him, but He is no magician-God doesn't do miracles to entertain us-He does miracles according to our faith. Case closed