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They struggle to keep the Law that was nailed to the cross. The fact they struggle so much just proves that Christ death was so necessary!

Worse thing is they can't even keep it

ayo4dworld:
I know you will pay dearly for this. Because it is something bad to mislead people from the truth. Never you twist the word of God to prove your point.

Revelation 22:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

What do you have to say concerning this

Revelation 22:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Many Christians struggles to pay tithe that they need more encouragement to continue to pay tithe. Now you are even complicating matters to prove them right of not paying tithe.


Malachi 3:8-12King James Version (KJV)

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

The bible say God will rebuke devourers for our sake if we pay our tithes, and also cause the windows of heaven open unto us. Never let people miss this beautiful covenant blessings.

You must be part of the people that only see the New testament as bible alone, which is very wrong. If you don't have any word to say to encourage the children of God, it's better you keep calm than turning people away from the truth with your posts. I am very sure one or two might have been conviced with this twisted lesson of yours.

How do we ravage gullible sheep? By saving them from prosperity heresies?

Please wait for your mortality to be clothed with immortality when death loses its sting so you can enjoy disease-free,poverty-free and pain-free bliss

Image123:
Like Lambanop said, you guys are just attention seekers and wolves seeking to ravage gullible sheep. See as the thread just dry up as soon as we no mind them. And demisquare has the shamelessness and dishonest to deny his actions here. Of course, if shown what are we to hope for or expect? The usual wave aside, boldface and diversion. May God help you people and save you from a bankrupt conscience.

Gombs has seen the light
He has admitted to fraud being perpetuated in CE
He admits that wealth transfer is futuristic, in the millennial reign and not a PRESENT occurence

Nonsense that don't add a plate of fufu to your table

Gombs,
take your sweet time with chapter 6

The Biblical Basis for This Public Rebuke

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It is amazing to me how few Christians know their Bible regarding the topic of public rebuke and censure of brethren in sin—and especially that of ministers in error. After all, there are copious Scriptures on the topic throughout both the Old and New Testaments. The apostle Paul in particular detailed this topic within his epistles. Christians read these passages everyday… so why have not more believers contemplated their significance and application within the modern Church?

In fact, surprisingly, many will often will attack those who are attempting to apply these Scriptures to a specific situation which certainly calls for it. Labeling them as “critics” or “spreaders of strife,” such people will misapply the principles of public censure and rebuke against to those who are righteous… in DEFENSE of the ones in error. This is an obviously bizarre twist of both Scripture and circumstances, I know… but I have seen it done time and time again. Such twisted behavior is especially prevalent whenever a “popular” or charismatic minister is the topic of the public rebuke—and/or when people’s own agendas and “hero worship” cloud their good sense and proper judgment.

On the other hand, it is not surprising at all that believers are “in the dark on this topic” because many ministers teach doctrines convenient to their own agendas, and prefer to avoid teaching believers truths that might be applied against them. Never mind the fact that the honest pastor would actually have fewer problems in his/her church if they properly taught on the subject of Church discipline and public accountability of all believers—including preachers. Never mind the fact that such teaching is critical for the spiritual growth of believers—and inoculation of the church against both heresy and the “wolves in sheep’s clothing” who are often prowling for new victims.....READ ON
http://kennethcopelandblog.com/2008/10/22/the-biblical-basis-for-this-public-rebuke-of-kenneth-copeland/

We all know them, but you can add the most ridiculous ones here
1. Touch not mine anointed
2. Do not break 'ranks'
3. God is the judge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfWYVYaj1bQ

They were his no doubt but they were forcibly put on him hours to his death. Even a marine invertebrate can see that these garments are NO indication of Jesus' wealth status. If a firing squad puts an Armani suit on you before dispatching you, does that make you rich seeing you had expensive suit at the point of your checking out?

Gombs:
Heheheheheh, so the prophecy in Psalms 22 where it said my clothes , from your above, we can safely conclude Herod dashed Jesus clothes, hence they became 'His'?

Spare me that pidgin nonsense, am not Nigerian
I said there is no scriptural evidence he wore rags OR expensive clothes.
Some of what the soldiers gambled came from Herod and stealing a dead man's clothes don't mean they were necessarily expensive, just deemed to be of value.Start thinking sir!

Gombs:
Na wa o, Jesus wore nice clothes, una say no, he wore rags una say no... # Wonderful

Did anybody suggest that Jesus wore rags? Or is that a strawman argument?

Gombs:
So, we should safely assume then that you are of the opinion Jesus wore rags,

Luke 23:11 (ESV)
11 And Herod with his soldiers treated him with contempt and mocked him. Then, arraying him in splendid clothing, he sent him back to Pilate

Matthew 27:28 (ESV)
28 And they stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him,

Mark 15: 17 (ESV)
17 And they clothed him in a purple cloak, and twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on him.

Whether they shared the clothes for memorabilia or to gain sell them off, those garment/robe was not His'. The fact that they did this on a bloodied garment suggests its high value

Gombs:
Kunle o, show me where in the above it stated Herod gave him the clothes?

Classic scare tactics calculated to rob you.
What if you die and discovered that menstruating women were not supposed to go to church and as such you are eternally condemned for defiling the House of God?

What if you find no uncircumcised people in heaven and are condemned on account of your foreskin?

torchwave:
Why risk eternal damnation on the ground of tithing? A paltry reason to be disqualified from attaining paradise after death.

In case you don't know, non-tithers are thieves, literally....and no thief shall enter the kingdom of God.

The disadvantages of non-tithing far outweigh that of tithing.

Think about that.[/i]

Shdemidemi,
You nailed it!
It is all about swimming in immortality in a corruptible flesh and passing world. That's why mbaemeka a Christ Embassy certified hooligan shamelessly believes Jesus Christ need to prostrate Himself before him and beg for permission before taking him home.

1 Corinthians 15:19 (KJV)
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Look at the above verse and think like Sadducees who never believed in resurrection. In that case, ALL our hope in Christ would be in this world. Paul says if that was the case, Christians would be the MOST miserable meaning their PRESENT experience on earth was no better than anybody else; in fact it was worse. If Christians were meant to be filthy rich and disease free not to mention happy, he would be lying in this verse.

shdemidemi:
Image wants to taste glory here in the world, its quite unfortunate that what you deem as glory is vanity vanishing quicker than a mirage.

Good job Gombs
I'd be interested in whether the man reversed himself in this book, did he ever teach or prescribe what he is against?

I like the was prosperity myth busters are caricatured as anti-givers. It is far much easier to malign anyone who is against supporting the church for obvious reasons; spreading the gospel is costly.
Means don't justify the ends. Tithes put good use such as charity don't justify the legalism and threats used to exact them

And he starred in Preachers of LA
I wonder how Preachers of Nigeria would look like
https://images.christianpost.com/full/68969/preachers-of-l-a-airing-on-the-oxygen-network-has-been-given-the-green-light-to-return-for-a-second-season.jpg

BabaGnoni:
https://s27.postimg.org/60lwk0cr7/grace_jones.jpg
Just off-topic and kind of trivial but did you know he is related to Grace Jones
- Grace Jones of the "pull up to my bumper baby" fame and James Bond "A View to a Kill" film
- 1981 The Island Def Jam Music Group
- He's her brother
- Their dad was a pastor/bishop

Winsomex,
I fully agree with this statement.
Where it gets hazy is when mysticism is stretched to include biblical practices such as fasting and prayer and some spiritual gifts. That's why I earlier said that the acts of mysticism and the product MUST be subjected to the revealed Word of God.

Personally, believers with subjective encounters such as 'revelation' take great offense when I charge them to subject these to scriptures. There is even a dichotomy; 'head knowledge' vs Rhema. Religions/sects such as LDS have been born out of failure to subject experiences to scriptures

WinsomeX:
[b]Biblical truths should be learnt via objective studies into scriptures.
God's Spirit who authored it, is ever near to guide us into all truths. We do not need subjective experience or a certain word from the Lord to know biblical truth. They are open to us if we are studios and pray[/b]erful enough in our study. I do not deny the fact that God can reward such studious endeavors with certain subjective experiences but it will not be the norm. And even when they happen, they cannot supercede the authority of scripture and our duty is not to go looking for them.

I still will like to hear the opinions of leading Pentecostals on this forum in this matter. I hope Bidam, who has written a bit on pentecostalism here, will honor the invitation; and Image123, along with others.

Cheers.

You are reading mysticism into Christianity to justify your misadventures. No different from Satanists who have perfected the art

What is mysticism?

The New Testament has no layers, all have equal access to God. We only had apostles because they were witnesses of the resurrection of Christ a fundamental tenet of the Christian Faith

plaetton:
According to scripture, Jesus practised mysticism.
Praying to a nonphysical deity is mystical.
Baptism is a mystical practice.
Fasting is a mystical practice.
Communion is a mystical practice.
Praying at any alter is mystical practice.
Paying tithe is a mystical practice.
Singing hosanna is a mystical practice.

Every religion has an outer layer for the masses, and an inner mystical layer for the priesthood.

Jesus even said" for the masses I will give the parables (bones to pick), for they will never understand, and for you my disciples, I will reveal the secrets( the meat).

It is difficult to draw a clear line between mysticism and any religion. My take is to stick to scriptures as much as possible and challenge ANY PRACTICE whether it lines up with God's Word

I know that but in this book he corrects much of the fraud in the movement. Read it and then we can exchange notes

nora544:
He is one of the fathers of the WOF movement,

He is the founder of the prayer and healing centers, he make money with this centers and his church belong to his children

that shows that it is only a business to sell the gospel.

You cast out demons by the word of your mouth by faith in Jesus Christ. But there is NOTHING wrong with a pastor reading the bible from the iPad. Before books were developed, they used scrolls. So iPads,bibles,scrolls are just tools/containers for the Word of God. May be if Christ tarried 100 years we will be having something else may be hologram.

Why are you obsessed with their toys? Have you noticed they preach wearing shoes and not sandals?

Edigrows:
U go use technology bind and cast d devil out of ppl abi? Have U been to prayer vigil b4?

What happened to this Hagin? Was he trying to correct his errors like Derek Prince and his submission to authority heresy?
I can't believe this is Hagin's work

Candour:
Hear Hagin on the mathematics of starting 'sowing' with $1

"At the time of this writing, the man with the most financial wealth in the world is considered to be Bill Gates of Microsoft; his net worth is estimated to be as much as $85 billion. So a person for whom the hundredfold return worked as described above would have 1,176 times more money than Bill Gates!

If the hundredfold return worked literally and mathematically for everyone who gave money in an offering, we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!"

At least Hagin; their hero said this not me. Those who use Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others to point out the lie of this 'gospel' are accused of being carnal. I hope they'll be able to describe Hagin in similar terms.

Those that will be wise will be wise.

Negro,
It is for the same reason you are on NL instead of sending smoke signals or you drive to church instead of riding dromedaries ; technology!
Bure kabisa

Here is Keneth Hagin's Midas Touch book, not sure of copyrights or not
http://www.ekklesia.lt/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Kenneth-E-Hagin-The-Midas-Touch.pdf

WOF fanatics are pressed to explain the glaring inconsistencies between what they teach and reality mainly that no Christian is either disease-free nor immune from poverty or that Christians generally are no better that non-Christians on these two parameters. It doesn't matter whether you are talking of individual Christians,churches or 'Christian' nations, poverty and sickness is a harsh reality you can't bury your brains away from regardless of the amount of rhema you can distill from Genesis to Revelation and your faith notwithstanding.

The biggest fraud is the excuses paraded to explain away the inconsistencies. A broke and sick and dying Christian is still 'rich' and 'in health' and the Word of God is not voided by the experience. The 'Word of God' here is nothing more than traditions of men in which they have invested heavily financially,emotionally and spiritually.

It helps to aks WHEN these teachings were introduced into the body of Christ. It also helps to aks what was believed BEFORE the teachings were sneaked in. It is the height of arrogance to purport to know more than the collective revelation of all Christians who lived before the doctrine was first introduced.

God heals and prospers whenever,wherever and whoever He wills and we can't talk Him down using His word and order him around like He was some sort of character in a video game like Temple Run. This is not a position of faithlessness but humility.

The only reason the adherents cling to these beliefs is because they can't entertain men they have invested so much into, men they trust being wrong.

The bodyguards are just part of the vanity they indulge in, flashy cars,mansions and the works. If you subscribe to men of goD swimming in vanity,then bodyguards should not surprise you.

Negros comparing this to locking doors are missing the point; what is this risk the men of goD are exposed to that the rest of the congregation are not? It is subtle programming to portray them as more important that the rest of the fools. It is carnal 'sanctification', setting themselves apart

The idea that since Melchizedek met Abraham with bread and wine and Jesus offered the same means they are one and the same person is tenuous; bread and wine was a simple refreshment for the journey because it lasted the longest

Deut 23:3-4 (ESV)
3 “No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of them may enter the assembly of the Lord forever, 4 because they did not meet you with bread and with water on the way,

Nehemiah 13:1-3 (ESV)
1 On that day they read from the Book of Moses in the hearing of the people. And in it was found written that no Ammonite or Moabite should ever enter the assembly of God, 2 for they did not meet the people of Israel with bread and water, but hired Balaam against them to curse them—yet our God turned the curse into a blessing. 3 As soon as the people heard the law, they separated from Israel all those of foreign descent.

And Deut 2:29 as well. And note the similarity between that and the Last supper has been made hundreds of years before Oyaks was born. He did not receive this by revelation but by studying those before him

To claim that Jesus walked on earth before He was born of Mary is heretical

You want me to take you through why ONLY 66 books make the canon?
The OT was already codified by the time of Christ and even Jesus alluded to this.
The NT. The last book was done in 95-6 AD

Now, the idea that Holy Spirit revealed stuff to latter day believers which was hidden from the Primitive/Early church is catholic-esque. They have no qualms believing that Mary was Assumed even in absence of that from the NT. are you Catholic?

btoks:
now I see you didn't understand my original comment. the holy spirit guided the church.(pillar and foundation of truth) just like he guided the authors of the bible books.
The church is able to bind and loose as per Jesus.
The Jews celebrated the passover feast, easter is the fulfilment of the passover.
my question to you is,how do know that we should believe in the writings from Genesis to Rev? Also you do realise that the scriptures were written decades after the event?

Best thread I have read in eternities

A Christian is as likely to be rich or get rich and prosper materially as the next Budhist/Muslim. Only spiritually does he exceed others. This is why it is reckless to dangle materialism or health to prospective believer or ignorant believers. You set them up for disappointment and then shift the blame by telling them they lack faith,or they are actually prosperous only that somewhat the prosperity has been released in the spiritual realm and it will manifest in due time and such other retarded excuses

What scriptures from Genesis to Revelation tell you to celebrate Christmas or Easter?
These are late traditions and Christianity was doing fine by itself before the inventions came in

btoks:
Holy spirit inspired men to write books that ended up being OT and NT.

Which scriptures?

btoks:
this is taking things for granted. Without the memorials of xmas and easter it would have been almost impossible to keep Christianity alive all these centuries. The holy spirit guided the church to do it likewise the scriptures.

Bla de bla
Thus saith goD mbaemeko before whom Christ MUST prostrate and beg to take home
You are checking out of this world just like the next satanist

mbaemeka:
You do not know what victory over death is and you wouldn't ask. You would create an idea in your head and say this what so so and so believe and they are wrong yet you would not care to understand what they know or are conscious of that you are not. Only oafs behave that way.

I am tempted to teach you what the bible refers to as victory over death but you would not understand it. Let me give you a little hint hoping you would catch it one day. Hebrews says Christ tasted death ONCE and for all for EVERY MAN. If it is physical death why do people still die and if it is spiritual death why would some people still go to hell? Can flesh and blood inherit the kingdom of God? If not, then how would a man enter into Heaven (a region in the kingdom of God) ? If the man enters with his spirit what happens to the body of the man?

James 2:26 says death is when the spirit leaves the body and Paul calls christian death sleep.

If you had high spiritual IQ you would be ok but the sad thing is that you don't. And it is spiritual IQ one needs to discern spiritual things. (I hope this doesn't pass you by)