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@nannymcphee,
I think every other African tribe/culture gives names some significance whether it be naming infants after dead ancestors or deities or weather. I recently discovered that I was named after my uncle from my father's side who was named after his uncle who was born when there was an outbreak of I think smallpox/mumps. The great granduncle was named after that disease meaning am named after a disease . It was a nickname and his real name which should be my uncle's name and mine by extension simply means 'black'

This may be what largely drives this excitement/preoccupation with names...call them Negro carry-overs into Christianity.

I have always wondered why it was necessary to name John the Baptist John( Luke 1:19,57-64). Whatever it was, it was not prescriptive, just descriptive as we have no record of angels deciding what names we believers adopted for their infants elsewhere. So unless and until God specifies what name I should give my kids, I will give them whatever tickles my fancy. And am not dropping mine for nothing nor nobody

nannymcphee: @ vooks & winsomex

Thanks for the further clarification on the issue of names

See why I keep saying its important we ask questions, I have always viewed it from my perspective, thanks for this

though I have always wondered why the white's always bear funny names & it seems not to have any significant in their lives

That being said, as a Christian I wouldn't be comfortable bearing a name that is associated with the devil

That should be with exception of Jesus I trust?

mbaemeka: I have told you and every other person on this thread that the real man is the spirit. [b]That the flesh of man has no part to play in kingdoms of God because the flesh is physical and the kingdom is spiritual.[/b]I told you how Paul kept saying the life 'I' live in the flesh and how that 'I' was his spirit. I told you how that when a man dies the bible says it is his Spirit that left the body (James 2:26) and also that it is people's spirits that go to heaven or hell. If you cannot see that the spirit of a man is what God looks at to tell if he is a sinner or not (Pro 20:27). Then I am sorry. I cannot help you.

@Winsomex,
I read on Paul's change of name from Romans Commentary- Cambridge Bible. It had all to do with ease of usage among the Gentiles. That's how practical the apostles were. Nowadays we have Shekinah,Beulah,Precious,Innocent,Faith,Hope,Righteousness,Shalom....Hebrew names supposedly to steer a kid's destiny in the right direction. We also have messages,DVDs on the same. I have even come across some Naija manufactured prayer points to neutralize the bad influence of a crazy name

Thank Jesus for technology, I just found the commentary! Read about Saul/Paul.....he had BOTH names from infancy!
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/cambridge/romans/

WinsomeX: In addition to what vooks wrote, Paul's name changes from Saul to Paul. Observe:

Saul means desired

Paul means small.

If the mentality of the first century Christians were to bear positive names, Paul would never have changed his name from desired to small.

In fact some claim that the reason for the change of name to Paul which is small was because Paul was diminutive and that name started as a nick name but stuck with him.

SirJohn,
That was my question to these hooligans; a 'relapse' of a healed disease is no worse off than the initial state. From HIV+ to HIV- and then back to HIV+. If at all there was a 'relapse' on Kenyan28, NONE of those twisted verses that are bandied around as supporting 'relapse' are relevant.

Besides, mbaemeko attempted to cast her as a fraud and dishonest and expressed feigned little wonder she 'lost her healing'. Problem is she received her 'healing' while dishonest.

SirJohn: I feel your frustration kiddo, you probably thought you'd be the hero who trashed those who dared to speak out about the hidden lies in the Christ Embassy Healing School. You met a brick wall and of course you had to fight dirty. Oh so now its her lifestyle wonders shall never end. It moved from 'oh she didn't have faith' to 'oh she has anger problems' to 'oh shes a slut'
y'all can take your jabs at her one by one, but you can't kill her spirit just like they couldn't kill mine.

Contrary to your failed theology, nothing worse has come on @Kenyan28, She looks healthy and pretty I'm sure maybe healthier than some of you put together (you can ask Joagbaje) shes has a happy family and her daughter is doing just fine.

Hopefully soon, very soon, she may cease to be the topic of discussion here

Negro please! That was sarcasm
A good and intelligent question is, why did she receive healing in the first place seeing she had withheld her HIV status from her then fiancée and also the real purpose of her South Africa trip?

You are the most callous hooligans and much as I don't wish you disease, I'd pay to watch your hearts if Kenyan was your sister or wife

AlfaSelltzer: Kenyan, if what mbaemeka said is true, then I'm highly disappointed.

You kept us in the dark with regards that part, only to project a part you want us to know, probably to see things your way. You lied to us all who are watching from the sidelines too, obviously, it's a habit, judging from your change of statements as gombs and WinsomeX pointed out.

Vooks even went as far as saying that your husband is negetive and there is an air borne strain of the virus in Kenya, and you must have been exposed to it-like seriously? I'm beginning to think there is a grand conspiracy here.

*unfollows thread

Are you one of them Jude Dignitaries I shouldn't speak evil of? Or the Body I take unworthily?
1. You are god
2. You will never fall sick
3. You will never be poor
4. Jesus will have to BEG to take you home
5. Jesus blood is sinless but his body is sinful

What else have I left?

Jesus ascended once. Anything else is Pentecostal urban legend

mbaemeka: Jokes on you. Since Jesus didn't take his blood to heaven neither did he ascend to offer his 'human blood'. Good thing you ran away from that thread. Trolling fits you better than biblical debates.

Keep trolling away, the only people that would envy you on your trolling expendition are the broke bloggers who share the same MPD with you.

Popoff is back? That's another reason to believe in resurrection

feedthenation: Peter Popoff's miracle water for debt cancellation:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/controversial-televangelist-peter-popoff-hawks-miracle-water-93290/

BabaGnoni,
Do not revile this Christ Embassy hooligan;he is God, above disease,and he has vowed to make Jesus BEG before he can allow him take him home. He intends to clock 567 years spreading Rhapsodies on Mars before he is taken home! That's Oyaks theology 101

Why can't he discern what/ who is vooks? He is God

PS: your thread on WOLVES......I mean WOF is the richest thread I have ever come across. You are blessed above mbaemeko shenanigans

BabaGnoni: vooks, you better set the record straight for this peacockish wrapped up in oneself, in love with oneself, self-admiring, think too highly of oneself narcissistic delusional aberration self absorbed person who is mistaking persons or IDs for each other.

Seun has access of the IPs used by all and can confirm whether vooks is masquerading as some else or not

mbaemeaka your paranoia, persecution complex, vainess and lust for money/wealth are legendary

Some have beneficial, rewarding, purposeful, profitable, gainful, fruitful, productive, constructive, effective, important, substantial, meaningful, and worthy things to do than frolicking or wallowing in the gutter and/or rolling about in deep mud or murky water with you.

Shdemidemi, God bless him, has the grace, the stamina, the patience to tolerate you and/or indulge your smugness.

You are showing yourself up when you don't keep your ridiculous or wrong idea about who vooks is and your sick minded thought to yourself or in your head.

mbaemeaka don't you ever, in your life again, mistake vooks for BabaGnoni. Get your head out of the clouds!

"soki lọ́be oge" meaning "a word is enough to the wise"

Has Jesus made a written request to take you home yet?

mbaemeka: The difference between me and you is that I would easily take you on what I believe and when I provide incontrovertible evidences from scripture you would scamper like a scared dog with your tail behind your legs or better still create a new moniker to save face from the disgrace that the previous one suffered.

There was a Simeon in the bible who said the Holy Spirit told him he would not leave this world until he saw the Messiah. Was he also regurgitating heresies?

Let me tell you who a heretic is. A heretic is that person that attributes God's dunamis to present day improvements in medical science. When the same medical science is responsible for more deaths than all the 'fake' MOG that have ever existed put together.

Let me not even go to the issue of Eve sleeping with serpents or Jesus' double ascension being a pentecostal heresy. I am sure you must have repented from that foolishness by now.

Will you clock 3000 years regurgitating Oyakhilome heresies, or will you conveniently consent to Christ taking you home at 80( if you are lucky) Peter Pan?

Nobody said that sickness negates Truth. Disease-free nonsense is what does because the truth is NOBODY is disease-free. Not Paul, nor Timothy nor Epaphroditus and most certainly not Sycophant-in-Chief mbaemeke. God heals when,where and whomever He will, not whatever tickles these mortal 'gods'-wannabes' fantasies

It don't matter the circumstances under which they died. Couldn't they have been much more helpful alive? Imagine Paul shooing off death and still preaching in Lagos in 2014. Poor Jesus, He can't but OBEY Paul's will to clock 2000 years

https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/20

mbaemeka: First off, death is referred to as the enemy. Secondly, it might interest you again to know that not all christians will die (so just keep that in perspective when you speak about death). Thirdly, Jesus has the keys of Hell and Death now so (for us christians) he reserves the right to call us home and he doesn't do it without our consent (he is that kind).

mbaemeka: Don't be a churl, you guys asked me why some people who believe what I believe still fall sick at times. Then I asked you why some Christians still sin if Christ has taken away all their sins. The reason for the question is to show you that someone's shortcoming doesn't negate the truth of the gospel. For example, I don't say because I asked for a healing 'In the name of Jesus' and someone didn't receive, then the name has ceased to work. That's what you and your ilk do and it is only tantamount to spiritual confusion.

As per the Martyrs, did they die because life was hard and they lived in such precarious times or were they killed because they were Christians?

Think well before responding. You know what happened the last time you had typing-diarrhoea? The evidence is still very much around.

The husband is negative, but there is an airborne strain of HIV in Kenya so she may have been exposed to it

Christ Embassy hooligans are now accusing Kenyan28 of adultery
The only place deeper than the depths a brainwashed CE hooligan will go to protect their goD is found in Revelation;

Revelation 2:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Gombs: Email her to gist you about her life after healing, prior to marriage, then after child birth, then other personal details. The child turned positive because the mother was? , what about the husband? Was he using condoms or they had artificial insemination, or he was very careful to sleep with a HIV patient? his faith must be strong sha o! Now, be a gentle man and answer my question, is it possible to loose one's healing? If yes, why? If no, explain John 5:14 pls.

The interview was not to give you or her new facts, but to lay them bare for readers who missed the whole things in years past. I wish she did not delete most posts...that too is a pointer you know?

[b]
Matthew 12:43-45 King James Version (KJV)
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


Luke 11:24-26 King James Version (KJV)
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.


John 8:10-11 King James Version (KJV)
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
.[/b]

What can we make out of these verses?
1. Jesus told two different people not to sin again
2. Jesus told one of them not to sin again lest something worse befalls him
3. Jesus said a demon can leave a man and the man may be repossessed subsequently by more fierce demons

on 2. Worse is a comparative. The man had been lame for 38 years so a worse thing can only mean something that exceeds that.
Note the demons come back and find the house/body clean. So obviously it is no sin that attracted them back. Note too the context of the demons going out and coming back. Is it healing?
What about healing from obvious non-spiritual causes such as spinal injury? No demons are required to be driven out to secure healing in that case.

Which of these scriptures teach that God can revoke his miracle?
Under what circumstance can a miracle be revoked?
How worse off is Kenyan28 if she was HIV+, turned negative ad then reverted to positive?

Gombs: Your problem is poor knowledge of the Word or complete ignorance. See, get a study bible, open John 5:14, you'd see 3 references to what Jesus meant by 'something worse..."
They are;
Mat 12:45 Joh 8:11 Luk 11:26
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation


From the bold, it's evident, except you are blind or dyslexic which obviously is being clearer, it's evident Jesus said LAST STATE is WORSE than the first... obviously same illness, but with higher destructive nature due to the spirits. Use the tissue in your head to apply it to Kenyan case.

But, answer, is it possible to loose one's healing?

SirJohn,
Somebody mentioned something to this effect on this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents

Rabid followers of scammers and charlatans be they palm readers, tarrot cards or psychics make excuses. They really fought off James Randi for exposing Uri Geller back in the 70s

SirJohn: @Gombs,
I will give you an example, I once invested in a dubious pyramid scheme, but at the time I invested in it, I had no idea it was a scam. I remember the CBN even did a full page warning in one of the national daily's warning people not to invest their funds in the scheme. But I felt the CBN was just blabbing; I read testimonies of different people who supposedly made a fortune out of the scheme so I bought in completely to it. At one time, one of the schemes paid me 300% on an investment and I said wow, this must be real, I later invested over a million naira into the scheme and decided to wait for my returns. 4 weeks, 6 weeks, 10 weeks passed yet no returns. Some of my friends who warned me later asking if I had received my profit; of course I made excuses for the company. I told them payments were delayed due to backlog of previous payments. gradually, weeks turned into months and it gradually began to sink in that I had just been a victim of one of the worlds oldest scam, 'the pyramid scheme.' Today, I have absolutely no doubt in my heart that I was scammed.
You see, its the same progression of stance; if tomorrow someone who heard me defend the scheme comes to me with a similar business proposal and I say, 'No, sorry I can't invest, I did it before and I was scammed' will he say oh but you said it wasn't a scam back then?

mbaemeko will never fall sick except occasionally and he will only die when he consents meaning he can theoretically live to be 800 years young. What an insult to all those martyrs!

mbaemeka: Vooks or BabaGnoni or whatever he calls himself these days should stop mentioning me in his posts. If he wants my attention he should follow the right means and I just might oblige him. It is not my fault that he thinks Eve slept with a serpent or that medical science has replaced the name of Jesus to the church. It is also not my fault that he doesn't understand God's word and interacting with me has exposed him thus far. He should stop using underhand tactics to force me to teach him. If he just asks politely I might teach him.

Good going bro Gombs. Been reading in 3D!

Worse?
An eternity in hell
I thought that was obvious...but then again......

Gombs: sir, from John 5:14, what could have been worse than 38years of illness? 76years? come on bro!

is she not worse than she was?

now, join the queue, wait your turn

Would you be kind enough to share with me the relevant thread where @Joagbaje prayed for and healed an Ebola victim in Tanzania?
There is nothing like Ebola in Tanzania

PastorKun: Small time joagbaje would come here and start bragging he flew to Tanzania to pray for an ebola victim at his own cost without collecting a kobo from the victim.

@Joagbaje
This is a good opportunity to demonstrate your benevolence, either travel to Kenya to prayer for her or sponsor her trip to Nigeria for the healing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdr3U6TnchU

Just for you, Mercelina

Kenyan28: Nimepokea baraka tele, asante ndugu.

There is another mbaemeka guy
Says that he will never fall sick, that Just as Christ took away our sins yet we still fall into occasional sin, a Christian may fall sick. Challenged since death still persists despite Christ sacrifice, he insists that death is an 'enemy' and that Jesus has keys of death and hades so he will seek mbaemeka's consent before taking him home. So, if you will never be sick yet you can get sick, you are saying nothing. You have absolutely NOTHING on a cussing atheist when it comes to health or prosperity. Those things are just dangled at gullible Christians to rip them off

Fact of the matter is in this fallen world, Christians will succumb to poverty,disease and death just as the next pagan

Please take your time and read this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents
Very rich

ubarikiwe dada

Kenyan28: You couldnt be more right. And to add more, when I discovered that I still had the virus, they(CE) called it a "counter attack" its amazing they have ready made names for all situations . "Counter attack" is what doctors blatantly call "denial"

@Kenyan28,
There are standard excuse for no healing
1. The miracle seeker never had 'enough' faith to command healing virtue from the hem of Jesus garment
2. The miracle seeker is a sinner

Of course you were 'confessing' healing as instructed to at the healing School despite anything suggesting that you were not healed. You were probably discouraged from performing further HIV tests since further tests are 'lack of faith'
When a further HIV test (on your baby) became inevitable, you discovered you still had the virus
That your husband turned negative proves that he never reinfected you with the virus after your supposed 'healing'

Don't put it beyond Christ Embassy hooligans to claim that you got reinfected after your 'healing'

Kenyan28: How many more people do want to interview ie who attended the HS? I have quite a number who are still managing the same conditions that took them to the HS.

Gombs,
Jesus said something WORSE not the SAME illness will come back.
This is an extremely dumb interpretation to justify 'lost healings'

Gombs: Sir, Please she hasn't, well... before that, let me give a prelude to the answer.

John 5:14
But afterward Jesus found him in the Temple and told him, "Now you are well; so stop sinning, or something even worse may happen to you.


1. A man got healed
2. Jesus said the above to him

I want to ask, is it then possible from the above, that one can lose a healing miracle? From the above, why is it possible?

Thank you nuwell,
When I first heard that December 25th Christmas was nowhere in the Bible I couldn't believe it. I dug and dug and came up empty. Unfortunately believers cling to traditions too strongly that they forget their sole Authority is to be derived from scriptures, the Inspired Word of God

CHristmas may be harmless but it has no Biblical basis; it is a mere late tradition
When you find believers quoting their MoGs quotable quotes better than scriptures then you got it bad

nuwell: Brothers,
I have also discovered that too often we make doctrines out of our subjective personal experiences, and worse still, attempt to persuade or even impose them on others. The inevitable result is confusion and discord because such experiences are usually coloured by our prejudices, upbringings, traditions and customs, from which we are being delivered and transformed, as our minds are being renewed by God's word. There's already enough disparity in our backgrounds and cultural values. God presents an entirely new way of life that is not based on any human value system. It is a brand new way of life, not a modification of a pre-existing one

Paul admonishes Timothy in 2Tim 3:16 '...ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine...' among other functions, and not one man's interpretation of the Bible. Besides, 'ALL Scripture' supposes that no part will contradict the other but will rather help to clarify it.

In church today, we find many acceptable and recommended practices with no absolutely no basis in the Scriptures, and hence subject to personal interpretation and application with each new proponent. So many of the doctrines are hand-me-down teachings that are progressively and inevitably distorted as they are passed from one man to the other. But we have the Word of God that stands sure and is a guide throughout the generations to evaluate what is true and is false.

I have asked this same question about this popular practice of using the blood of Jesus, for which I can find no basis in Scripture, besides the fact that it sounds and feels derogatory of Jesus to me sometimes, and fetish and superstitious at other times.

One other problem I observe today is that Christians can't seem to totally accept the truth that Jesus has done all that is necessary to obtain God's approval of us, and that nothing we will do or not do will change God's opinion of us, as long as we abide in Christ. What indeed can separate us from God's love! Why do we feel the need to add something to it rather than just simply believe. The condition in John 3:16 is '....that whosoever believes in Jesus would not perish but have everlasting life.'

Anything we do to please God then should be as a result of a progressively increasing knowledge of God's love (we love Him because He first loved us) and not by some human prescription, from which Jesus has even delivered us. We must come to and remain in God on His terms, not ours. We think too highly of ourselves when we think we can appease God any more than Jesus already has.

'Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?' Gal 3:3

See Colossians 2:20 - 23
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

'This is all that I have learned: God made us plain and simple, but we have made ourselves very complicated.' Ecc. 7:29 (GNB)

Trust mbaemeko to 'rightfully' divide the Word and demonstrate that There is celebration in heaven when one of His anointed divorces a 'difficult and bitter' wife

Oh dear

MORNDEW: i challenge u to prove me wrong nd let everyone see that that word(COMMMITED is wrong. Or forever hide ur face in shame. U ve always proven u ar a tout. Can u pls take ur disease somwhere else. i hate ignorant ppl.

Sir,
Our experiences MUST NEVER be magnified ABOVE the revealed Word of God.
I test my dreams,wishes,actions,feelings..... against the 66 books we call the Bible
It is condescending to imagine that you are more spiritual than me but I forgive you

It is subjective 'experiences' such as yours that have birthed false doctrines, heresies and turned many into blasphemous and apostasy. Joseph Smith who founded LDS/ Mormons had vivid experiences too. I don't see anybody 'applying' the blood of Jesus to heal in the scriptures yet healings took place. Did Holy Spirit forget to teach this powerful weapon?

Kei144: Job 42:4 “You said, `Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.’
Job 42:5 My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you.
Job 42:6 Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.”

Some people think that spiritual matters are all about reading and hearing about them; mere head knowledge. The power of spiritual matters is in experiencing them. Experience is the best teacher. If spiritual matters ended only at head knowledge, I would never be a believer, because I am a kind of person that hates wasting my time on what I cannot prove to be useful. As for the blood of Jesus, if you experience the blood of Jesus in action, you won't waste time posting things you don't know on this forum. One of my greatest experience of the power of the blood of Jesus was about two years ago. A woman was sick in my place of work and was lying on a table. The only way I knew to express my love to her in her situation was to lay my hand on her body and begin to fill the body with the blood of Jesus by word of faith. I then overcame the sickness by the blood of Jesus through word of faith. I went my way. Few weeks later, another woman in the same organization told me that she saw the woman that I prayed for testifying to a group of people how she was very sick and I prayed for her, thereafter she slept off and then woke up to see that she was perfectly healthy.

With that experience, last year I was poisoned with witchcraft poison; I filled my abdominal region with the blood of Jesus through word of faith and the poison (spirit of infirmity) left me.

Acts 9:44-46 (ESV)
44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God.

Acts 11:15 (ESV) 15 As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning.

Mbaemeka by virtue of being a dyed-in-the-wool Dignitary Oyakhilome fanatic would have you believe that the Holy Spirit fell on 'accepted' but unregenerated Gentiles. And ONLY AFTER/UPON speaking in tongues were they saved

It is difficult wresting verses to conform to regurgitated heresies. Here's why;
1. They still manifested spiritual gift reserved for the regenerated!
2. They interrupted Peter's sermon not by CONFESSING TO SALVATION what they had BELIEVED TO RIGHTEOUSNESS but by speaking in tongues

mbaemeka: If they didn't open their mouths to speak they would have been right with God [for they already were even before Peter came] but they wouldn't have been saved. When they spoke they activated the faith that they had by already believing the gospel that Peter preached. God saw them as right/acceptable but not saved. When they opened their mouths, they were confirmed.

Four things
1. if mbaemeko is sick, he will say that even Christians while they are saved from sin still fall into occasional sin
2. If the 'occasional sickness kills him he will say that he allowed Jesus to take him home
3. Whatever infirmity Timothy was suffering from, that it caught Paul's eye and attracted a whole verse means it was significant
4. Does God heal infirmities of Timothy variety or He suffers His gods aka children to wallow in them till rapture?

mbaemeka: 1 Timothy 5:23King James Version (KJV)
23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

The word infirmities as used here is astheneia. Like I said to trustman Infirmties encompasses sicknesses and diseases but diseases and sicknesses do not encompass infirmities. And astheneia was used by Paul only to describe a weakness and not a disease or sickness. When Paul talked about sicknesses he used astheneo. Therefore in this case Paul said use a little wine to strengthen your oftenly weak stomach. I know some translators translated the word to mean illnesses, but they would be wrong because Paul was so articulate he knew when to use words like astheneo, astheneia and even asthenes. If he knew to use astheneo for Trophimus then he knew to use astheneia for Timothy.


No sir, I will use the Greek lexicon. And like Jesus and Paul, I will never be sick in my life!!! Amen.

And I presume there has been no need for such seeing you can 'teleport' from Nigeria to anywhere on a jet
I will also assume there has been no need to revive a rotting four day old corpse, not to mention feed 5000 on a few pieces o bread and fish

mbaemeka: As per that teaching about an "era" that's just plain rubbish. If you don't see people teleport, come back from the dead etc It's because people are not taught that these manifestations by the Spirit still happen. We have even seen some say that it ended with the apostles entirely while some say medical science has replaced it. The same Holy Spirit that was in Philip is in me, he can make me teleport if the need arises.

A very simple explanation would be the Church in Corinth fell sick and died noticeably ABOVE AVERAGE or excessively and Paul attributed this to Holy Communion

Think...think Ebola. Why is it a cause for concern? It is killing just like other diseases only faster. That is exactly what happened to Corinthian believers; Holy Communion messed with their mortality rate. By your logic, before Ebola scourge, Africans were living to be 200 years

mbaemeka: As per 1 Corinthians 11:30 please study these verses you post very well before referring me to them. Do you think I don't know all these verses before posting? Ok let us examine what Paul said there:

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Paul was writing to a carnal church in Corinth and was explaining to them why they have many sick members in their midst. Why should he be explaining the reason to them if it was normal and expected that christians could fall sick and die anyhow like mere men?

He was explaining it to them because it was an anomaly to have such and he told them why (some of you on here are guilty if this). He said because Christians were eating the physical body of Jesus but insulting the main body which is the Church. When you create threads on men and women of God and call them names you are not discerning the lord's body. You are eating of the communion unworthily and not that you are unworthy. So I am using this medium to warn you again- refrain from this evil!

That is why vv30 says many of THEM (Corinthians) were sick and many died.

As per "God considers the heart more important than the words spoken" there could be no greater lie than that. Surely, what is to be spoken must first be believed in the heart first but (you will not experience the reality of it) until you speak it forth. Paul said with the heart man believes unto righteousness but you see he would never experience the SALVATION until he uses his mouth (Romans 10:9-10). That's what Paul taught us and Jesus had made references to it earlier when he said- If you believe in your heart (without doubting) and say with your mouth to the mountain- Move! it will.

Learn to Hagah the word of God!!!

If Jesus is saying that 'hey, I beat up the world so you won't have tribulation', WHAT WAS THE POINT OF TELLING THEM THEY WOULD HAVE TRIBULATION?

He is saying 'tribulations will come in the world but I have overcome it so you too will' otherwise he could have just said, 'you will never have tribulations since i overcome the world already'

Of course I doubt English is your first language but is that an excuse for not thinking?

mbaemeka: I was taught in English language to always consider the 'but' when two simple sentences are combined. Let us re-read Jesus' words:

In me you will have peace BUT in the world you will have tribulation.

It is clear that he is comparing the "In him" to the "in the world" and this can only bring us to one conclusion and the latter part of the verse proves it. He said "BUT be of good cheer, I have already overcome the world" and we can cross-reference it with what Paul said in Romans 8:37: In all these things we ARE (not going to be) more than conquerors.

We already are!

it is not written that Paul was BITTEN, the hosts thought he was bitten and expected him to drop dead. he may/may not have been bitten

nannymcphee: Acts 28:3-6
3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

paul was bitten by a poisonous snake, he didnt go the way of medicine but got healed divinely

Wassup god

mbaemeka: [b]I am not Elohim- the creator God. I am not god over God. I am god over the world and it's system. I am god over sickness, disease, poverty, ruin, lack, ignorance etc. by the authority that God gave me. [/b]Do you want to know why this truth is above your ability to comprehend?

Mr Eternity,
He has never visited a hospital, except to pray for fickle believers who never shared his truth

mbaemeka: If we are to suffer on earth then it must only be what Christ mandated us to suffer- and that is persecution. If you are referring to poverty, sickness, death etc Then I am over and above all that because Christ died for me and then placed me to sit with him far above ALL principalities, powers and name that is named in heaven, on earth and underneath the earth.

You can place anything into that box. I am above it. If it offends you it is expected. You are lacking the Spirit.