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macof:
You must be very stuupid. U can ur intellect that of an adult? An average 13 year old makes more sense than you do

Pearls are too precious to be wasted on swine

italo:
The rosary is not just "beads" but a prayer - a chain of prayers in a particular order.

Catholics can say the Rosary with a 'finger rosary' (a ring) or even their fingers...or anything else.

Religious texts existed long before the bible...does that mean the bible wasn't inspired by God?

Think, for once.

The prayers were made long before Dominic you Neanderthal so what Dominic received was not the pagan incantations but the beads

italo:
1. The bold is false...it doesn't apply in all cases.

do you agree it's false...or do you want me to take the paint to prove you wrong and ignorant of what you're talking about?

Make my day. The fact that you not only talk to the dead but you invoke their 'powers' to affect the earth means Catholicism is satanism

2. When protestants demonize canonization, it's not just the prayers to saints that they demonize...they demonize the very act of declaring that the person lived a good life and died right with God and is in heaven...which Adeboye has now done. focus on that.[/quote{
Buffoonery incarnate. Christians believe in eternal life. If I die now, I will be in heaven. This is not canonization. Paul himself tells us to be absent in the body is to be with Christ. Canonization is not belief that somebody is in Heaven but rather reserving the RIGHT to decide who is in heaven and who is not followed by encouraging fools like you to pray to those deemed to be in heaven

[quote]If Adeboye hasn't prayed and received a miracle from Awolowo, perhaps that's because those are not the essence of canonization.

He worships the living God so he can't engage I. Necromancy

italo:
You have forgotten that Christ is in me and I am in Chriso Christ in me can speak to the saints and I can speak to the saints through Christ.

Christ in you does not make you God you fool

italo:
Prove the bold!

Samuel is alive.

What is the purpose of resurrection?

italo:
If he had contacted Samuel through the power of God, he'd have lived.

Except God won't suffer nobody to contact the dead by any means

italo:
So now you say Saints are alive...

Why can't we talk to them then, like Jesus did?

The same reasons Jesus resurrects us on the last day and you can't Negro

He is God, Creator and you are a mere creature

Rebecca Brown is quite fond of lying. Check;
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Official-Rebecca-Brown-Page/131827026858516
https://www.propheticexplorer.com/images/rebecca_brown.jpg

14th December 2013 is when David, Rebecca Brown's husband took the photo. But is this so?
The photo has been all over Internet since 2008. It can be traced to this guy on Flickr
https://flic/p/agR1dR
Try and Google the image

italo:
It will help you understand if you put aside the appellation: "saint," and focus on the essence of the issue

At Canonization, Catholic declare that a person has lived a good life and was right with God when he/she died...so he/she is now in heaven

this has been condemned by pentecostals for decades. They say the pope has no right to claim that Mother Theresa is in heaven.

Now that is the exact thing that Adeboye has done. He has 'Canonized' 'St. Awolowo' in the Catholic sense...which pentecostals have condemned for long

That is the issue you are deviating from.

italo is being economical with the truth.
Before a saint is declared, somebody must have prayed to the dead Saint and a miracle/sign effected through this communication with the dead. The miracle must then be verified by Rome

ccollins:
this sites you quote are also written by people like you..you have to check and know what God is telling you concerning a circumstance and not websites from any. person

exactly!!
Which is why am surprised nobody is interested in evidence of Brown fakeness. Did you check it out? Did God tell you it is false?

macof:
Scared of what we know doesn't exist Are you kidding me?

Shut up troll and watch adults think

Papist:
Perhaps i should entertain your ignorance a bit more even though my response is late, sorry. The Catholic Church does not make definitive statements about private revelation. If you didn't know, private revelation relates to visions like the reported visions by St Dominic of the Virgin Mary. Again if u didn't know, Catholics are not required to believe in private revelation so I as a Catholic am allowed to believe that St Dominic had a vision of the Virgin Mary or not. Private revelation is not part of the fidei depositum. The only thing Catholics are not allowed to reject is the Divine Revelation which ended with the death of the last apostle. Now to indulge you further, if a private revelation comes with a message or devotion which does not contradict the Catholic faith but which actually edifies the faithful, the Church adopts and promotes it such as the Rosary in this case, or the Chaplet of Divine Mercy or the Brown Scapular etc without any requirement that the faithful are to believe that a Saint appeared to anyone. Any questions?

Bullsh*t
This was no revelation of any sort whether some fools in your religion believe it or not.
Fact of the matter is,Catholicism actively teaches that Mary invented the rosary and shared her invention with Dominic.

This is a bold lie because beads/rosaries were in existence 1000 years before Dominic. How do you receive a private/divine revelation of an invention that predates you by 1000 years?

Anas09:
I thought this thread was about the Rosary? Pls @ Vooks, ignore this people. They don't believe in God, yet they are scared of hell. Don't allow them get under your skin.

Thank you my sister,
They are busy derailing.

Rosary is paganism married into an aberration of Christianity called Catholicism. They claim it was revelation but how would something in existence for over 1000 years be revealed to you?

macof:
Ok, so an atheist respects his elders - which is the moral thing to do, means he is an hypocrite cus Atheism doesn't subscribe to morality?
I guess in ur messed up mind, a physicist is an hypocrite cus physics doesn't subscribe to morality?

What about other things that an atheist is? An atheist belongs to a group of people with a culture with its own view of morality. .he has a job with a view of morality or maybe attends a school with a code of conduct, and many other groups an atheist might be a member of which does subscribe to morality.

What is the basis for morality in atheism?

muafrika:
Vooks,
I judge everything, everybody, and every spirit. Am judging you as we speak Vooks. You should judge me too. I even judge animals. The "church" is too dangerous for anybody to take in everything that comes in the name of God. Watch. Because we are equipped to know evil from good. Lying is a spiritual fruit a work of darkness. Fear, is a spirit. Not a feeling, one that God does not give. God gives power, sound mind. That's how you discern the spirit behind a person's words. Thats how you discern the spirit of fear. Whoever imparts fear is not doing it by the power of God. And there are many powers on this earth. Some even pretending(performers) to cast out demons.

If someone came to me with stories about discerning the spirit of "Jezebel," or one of those other invented spirits like mummy water, or some other funny names I have heard in churches that will remain unnamed, I would firmly instruct them to stop inventing lies and misleading innocent people.


This interesting discussion deserves a home of its own so we can get involved without derailing Charly's thread.

That's the spirit!
Measure everything against the word of God, especially things that directly affect your faith

PastorAIO:
Catholics converse with dead saints!!

Please can you show me where I can research this further because this is all new news to me.

Negro please. Does Virgin Mary ever speak to men?

Consulting the Witch was the crime.

Nope, it was talking to the dead

The Witches craft of summoning dead spirits and mediumship was forbidden.

See your idiocy? If talking to dead men is cool, why would using human agency to accomplish this be a sin?

Not talking to the dead cos That would damn all of christianity from the very start.

Utter foolishness. Is Christianity founded on communication with the dead?
Jesus disappeared for 3 days during his death. He only resumed communion with the disciples AFTER resurrection

Even in my family there are stories of an aunt who nearly died, but when she was in a coma she saw my granddad and he told her to go back that it was not her time yet. I'm sure to you, that is necromancy too.

I don't need your bullsh*t tales

Apart from the Adeboye part of thread which is the main core (I'm not interested in that part, the man is just a charlatan in m opinion) , my interest is in your belief that the dead in christ are inert and are not a part of the communion.

Because God forbids communicating with the dead.
The rich man had to beg for Lazarus to be resurrected so he could go and warn his living brethren. This is because the dead in their state are cut off from the living

8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Negro,
This is heaven. This is God receiving worship from the spirits of the departed. The spirits are alive or animated but cut off from the living humans like you and me

Highcuerayte:
lol.......

Original Post on FP cannot be modified again

When you have a pressing urge to correct 'misconnections', soak yourself in the Word of God and not just wild ideas off your head. Aight?

muafrika,
How did Paul,handle Peter's hypocrisy at Antioch? Not only did he publicly rebuke him, he went on and shared the experience with the Galatians and the entire world by extension. How about Hymenus among others?

I don't mean we should expend our efforts putting down each other because we all have faults, but it certainly is a recipe for lawlessness and disaster classifying believers into two, the Called and the unCalled and further applying different rules for rebuking or reproving these. The Called are Christians first and ministers secondly. There is no scriptural basis for treating one class of believers with kid gloves

Rebecca Brown's Unbroken Curses
http://highlyanointed.weebly.com/uploads/4/1/5/2/41522075/9780883683729.pdf

And an excellent review/rebuttal here titled the Curse of Curse Theology
http://www.watchthetower.net/curse.html

Highcuerayte:
lol.....at the bolded. I will do that though

You have been promising to sanitize your wild rant with scriptures for over 24 hours now. Give up

Teempakguy:
smh . . .

You are not the sharpest tool in the box

PastorAIO:
No it wasn't. It was consulting a witch.

Consulting a witch to do what, his laundry?

SWG1:
Exactly Bro.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart...

Its not by how beautiful the sermon is or how talented in speech the preacher is. Always good to engage the word in write-ups,

Actually I'd say it is not GOOD but MANDATORY

PastorAIO:
I don't know of Catholics doing anything that Saul did.

I've never heard of Catholics summoning the dead.

I've never heard of Catholics divining by using the spirits of dead people.

Saul talked to a dead Samuel
Catholics attempt to converse with dead 'saints'

CharlyG1:
I think you're getting it wrong..
No one knows for sure if Rebecca Brown is a cultist. Her books have helped a good number of people, and I've only seen her use the Name of Jesus Christ..

You see, God trains each of His prophets in different ways. For example.. Some people may mock the MFM pastor & his congregation because of how they pray.. But their prayers work, and they're very effective in the deliverance ministry. It's how he was trained by God. So it's how God will build that church.

No one is putting fear into anybody. Some people are just not cut out to take in teachings of spiritual warfare. Any little thing, they become afraid. The gift of deliverance isn't for everyone, the Holy Spirit chooses who He gives His gifts.
You can't talk about spiritual warfare without talking about Satan & his demons.
I agree that people shouldn't always focus on putting everything on satan and demons but we should also be conscious of their activities. We perish for lack of knowledge because we have an enemy who knows us so well but we don't know him (satan)well.

There is no gift called deliverance

People who see demons and have the gift of deliverance will always preach based on their experiences, and that's what Rebecca is doing..
No one can prove that she's fake except the so-called internet. Not everything from the internet is true. People like to bring others down for personal gain.. What if Satan is behind this?

This is the proverbial burying your head in the sand.
It is true not everything on the Internet or even books is true. All you have posted here on Nairaland could as well have been cleverly devised fables designed to entertain

It is true people will bring other for personal gain but at the same time, there is genuine criticism aimed at protecting e sheep from quacks and crooks. Just because your pet prophet or writer is criticized, it don't mean it is Satan behind it. In fact, it could as well be Satan encouraging those defending her to persist in lies

When you have a solid proof about Rebecca, then bring it here. Solid proof means when you actually see her do something against the Name of God in person or in a video or in one of her books.

What is the difference between a video and a link when both originate from men you have never seen?
Exactly what is 'solid' proof?
Wisdom demands we examine accusations before dismissing them. Ignoring them without giving them a thought is escapism. It is no different from the guys who stoned Stephen. They shut their ears and shouted as they rushed to stone him. Why so? They could not bear his words.

But for now, it's advisable not to throw tantrums at someone you know very little about.. What I said still stands. It's dangerous to speak negatively about people of God. What if God is on her side & against what you say? Have you thought about that?

It is equally dangerous to dismiss sound criticism WITHOUT even looking at it. One ought to at least demonstrate that it is false before dismissing it thus, else you are judging

And even if you think she's a fake, you shouldn't come to say it publicly, you can discuss it with people close to you but not in a public forum, what if you're wrong? If she's fake God will judge her. He said it Himself. He will judge the fake prophets.. So pls leave this woman alone and let's talk about more important things concerning the word of God.
Thank you. God bless you.

Am interested in the scriptural basis for how to deal with deception as outlined above

ccollins:
do not misquote or judge accuse some one wrongly, can you show me where my lifestyle reflect such tales

You are more adept at quoting Brown than Paul

Teempakguy:
now I know the extent of your stupidity.

Who is going to discuss with this delusioned one?

You are not the sharpest tool in the box.

PastorAIO:
please show me the passage which said it was necromancy.

I did

Anas09:
@Vooks.
I totally believe the Bible. Yes Dinosaurs lived with Man, that's why Adam will have a name for it. The evolutionist are pushing this conspiracy to esterblish their theory of evolution, hence the Billion of yrs old earth.
Am not a science student, so don't know and can't talk much about those things, But in my small mind I ask this. Man evolved from an Ape right? Then to those other creatures that are extinct then to them. Then how come we still have Apes today but no Dinosaurs? How many millions of yrs deos it take for an evolution to take place?

See, we are trolling this thread , forgive me Brother Charles.

I have studied evolution at length. Man did not evolve from ape but rather man and ape have a COMMON ancestor

There are do out men of God, scientists who have dedicated their lives to teaching creation science. You would be surprised at how much evidence exists for a young earth and how hollow old earth theories are. I would advise any believer to acquaint themselves at least with the basics of both evolution and creation science because humanism is a real affront to our faith.

Please make time and go through these links;
http://creation.com
http://www.icr.org/

Anas09:
@TJayjosh, am not a brother, am a sister. Lol.
@Vooks, am not absolutly taking that position that man had lived for billions of yrs before the Fall.
Am saying, because time wasn't counting against man, but was counting on beast, it is then save to speculate that, the Dinosaurs had lived and extinct before the Fall (?). Remember this is me in my closeth reasoning.
And I also said, the evolutionist may have exergerated the yrs of these beast with the intent to mislead. I do not want to believe that the Pre-Adamic Era is a grey area. Anyways, what does it do for me? If other creatures other than man had lived on earth before man, how does that help me overcome sin? I don't care.
I choose to believe the word of God regarless of what anyone says.

I watched this movie, "The Theory of Everything". The true life story of an Atheist grand Master, Steven Haukins. I laffed at how one twisted invalid fellow can imagine things, and speak out his imaginations and men decided to believe him rather than the creator of all things.
If they say the earth is not Six (6) yrs old. Then they shd tell us how many yrs man lived on earth before the Fall. Becos its the fall that trigard againg, which eventually brought about death (I mean death in the flesh).

I feel you
The Genesis days are really literal days. Dinosaur lived with man not before man. But the force with which evolutionists push their agenda make you feel crazy for entertaining this.

What is the one thing that suggests the earth is billions of years because he bible does not suggest that?

What is this meant to demonstrate? You pathetic IQ?

HCpaul:
I never expect you to love the man. Infact, if you love him then the effect of love is powerless.
A day will come when our master will come back to destroy this earth and including all of science achievements and technologies. we saint will inherit the earth.

Each morning you see is an opportunity for you to repent, but you still choose not to appreciate it.

I pray christ not to give up on your soul.
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SAVED.

ccollins:
I do agree Christians should focus on heaven and on God because it was over emphasis on Bible.. talking on kingdom of darkness was not emphasized on but it was stated in bible.

You should major in what scriptures major and minor on what scriptures minor. Sadly the reality is true in your life; a lifestyle of 'warfare' and endless tales and accounts of demons and Satan