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italo:
Heb 12 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, [b]and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, [/b]24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


No the first born enrolled in heaven are not saints in heaven...and the spirits of the just men made perfect too are not the saints in heaven.

They are demons in hell...according to you hypocritical pentecostal brain.

Nicompoop,
WHEN are spirits of men made just?

italo:
Heb 12 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

We Catholics reach the living saints as encouraged by God himself in the verses above.

If you don't like it, go and fight God.

Which part mentions dead men here?

Firstborn enrolled in heaven equals to saints in heaven? You are a m0ron

Luke 10:20King James Version (KJV)
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Philippians 4:3King James Version (KJV)
3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.


Is your name written in heaven italo?

Papist:
Sigh

Stop worshipping Devils

italo:
Necromancy is clearly not merely contact with the dead as you ignorantly said. But it involves divination and conjuring of spirits of the dead to know truth from them

We Catholics don't do that.

We like Jesus speak to our living brothers and sisters. And it's not only God who can have contact with the saints as you foolishly think.

Heb 12 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

When we pray, we have access to all these.

M0ron, how does Hebrews teach necromancy?

italo:
1. We don't seek Marian apparitions...and don't seek for her to tell us any truths. We don't divine to conjure her spirit. It just happens when God wills it.

2. You're ignoring the fact that Adeboye and your other pastors are soothsayers and observers of dreams as found in the verses.

M0ron if God is against divination you think He would orchestrate the same?

Keep worshipping Devils

italo:
God never banned it. God did it at the transfiguration and further explained and encouraged it in Heb 12:22-24

God encouraged necromancy? What god?

italo:
I don't know any demons. It's you who knows them.

You can't reach the dead. That's the essence of Luke 16 parable. What you contact are demons

italo:
Man can forgive sins according to John20:23 - Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Go and argue stupidly with Jesus who said it.

Since man can forgive sins, how many have you forgiven and given eternal life?

italo:
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We Catholics don't even seek the truth from the dead. We ask the living to pray for us.

And the demon called Virgin Mary appears to you and gives you truth

italo, would you object to having sex with your wife seeing she is living?

italo:
Are you mad?

I showed you where Jesus gave them power to forgive sins and you're still asking me for examples of them forgiving sins.

Was Jesus blabbing?

italo, how many have you forgiven their sins and given them eternal life?

italo:
Difference is that my grandfather is my grandfather and Mary is Mary.

The boy has run out of wits
There is no difference, both are paganism which God banned among his people

italo:
Provide evidence that today's bible existed as it is in 96AD.

What do you mean as it is?

If you want me to school you about how the bible came to us, go to this link that dismantles all your satanic lies that Catholics 'gave the world the bible'
http://www.bible.ca/canon.htm

You're hallucinating. That's how you came about the bold.

Catholicism is Satanism creeping into Christianity

italo:
10 - Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard,

11 - Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or . [size=28pt] that seeketh the truth from the dead.[/size]

The bold seems to apply to Adeboye and other pentecostals too. The forecast the future, observe dreams and omens. Are you and Adeboye evil then?

While the verses never said we should not "contact the dead."

We Catholics don't even seek the truth from the dead. We ask the living to pray for us.

1. You seek the truth from the dead by COMMUNICATING WITH THEM
2. It also means the dead should not communicate truths to you
3. How many times has the demon called 'Virgin Mary' relayed truths through apparitions?
4. Does Catholicism cheer and encourage apparitions, and treat them as miracles? Imagine calling what Jesus call abomination miracles

Let's study Catholic Satanism at length here from their own sources;
https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/AKITA.HTM

italo:
I thought I asked you first to provide proof that necromancy meant "contact with the dead."

If there is no proof, why don't you say that you were wrong in thinking that.

See how you have demonized all catholics, calling them necromancers out of stark ignorance.

I have just given you two sources

italo,
Definition of NECROMANCY
Necromancy [N]
Form of divination in which a person calls upon the dead to receive communication that clarifies knowledge.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/necromancy.html

Divination by aid of the dead i
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11411-necromancy

italo,
What is the difference between you talking to your grandfather by his grave and engaging Mary?

italo:
What year did NT come out and what year was Catholicism invented?

Please provide evidence.

96AD

Humans can forgive sins and thereby give eternal life through the power of God in them.

Read John20:23.

How many souls have you given life italo?
Where is your creation, where is your earth?
When last did you receive worship because you are God?

Pagan Catholics consult dead men

DEFINE NECROMANCER

italo:
Nowhere did God tell you we can't contact the dead.

You're manufacturing doctrines and lying against God.

Deuteronomy 18:11

italo:
Use it...

if you can tell me who authored the dictionary...

...and if I'm also allowed to prove my point with extra-biblical sources.

Define necromancy and quote your sources

italo:
Where did Jesus say we can't talk to saints, like he did?

Deuteronomy 18:11

italo:
Stone tablets with religious texts existed before the 10 commandments. It's not irrelevant. Does that make 10 commandments pagan?

Buffoon,
Rosary was used by pagans many years before Dominic.
Vain repetition was used by pagans many years before and by deluded false Christians

Question is,
EXACTLY what is it thT was revealed to Dominic?

italo:
So much that I achieve in prayer is a form of creation by God in me.

If Catholicism is satanism, then the Bible is satanic.

The Catholic Church chose and canonized the books of the bible and closed the canon.

NT was out before Catholicism was invented. Please think.

Do you give eternal life and forgive sins?

italo:
I can prove that the very definition of a bull is a male animal by showing you the definition in a dictionary. Even then, not all male animals have balls.

Can you prove tha necromancy means "contact with the dead" from any bible verse or dictionary? No!

Let us use a bible dictionary. Is this ok with you?

ccollins:
Bro, lol... I have been on her official page and I remember when she complained that her official page was hacked into. if you check properly. most contents were deleted since 2012 by some hacks. get your facts straight Bro. also that pic is not on her real official page, I. have checked very well

Please let us not suspend using our faculties. Is this her 'real official page' or a fake?

italo:
The order of prayers in the rosary was never existent before it was handed to St. Dominic.

M0ron,
Can you study rosary entry under Catholic encyclopaedia before blabbering nonsense

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm

Question is,EXACTLY what did Dominic receive?
A. Beads
B. Vain repetition
C. Order of vain repetition

Your own history tells you ALL the three existed long before Dominic

Stone tablets existed and were used by pagans before Moses, does that mean that the 10 commandments handed to Moses evil?

Think, for once.

Irrelevant

italo:
It makes God to be in me and I in God.

So God in me can talk to his saints...and I can talk to the saints by God in me.

God in you. How much has God in you created? How many has God in you given eternal life?
Catholicism is satanism

italo:
You tell me.

The saints are alive, what is the purpose of resurrection?

Provide your proof that necromancy is "contact with the dead."

Because that is exactly what NECROMANCY is. Stop being foolish, can you 'prove' that a bull has balls? You don't need to be cause the very definition of a bull is a male animal

italo:
[You tell me.

Where did God tell you that?

Ask Saul. I won't post the same verse more than once

italo:
Where did Jesus say we can't talk to saints, like he did?

Where did Jesus say you can't sleep with a goat?

ccollins:
the links you posted are. not credible and show nothing.. the links don't even work

I have corrected the Flickr link. Check it now
If she is any 'smart' she must have pulled down the post from her page. If you follow her on FB, go to the relevant date and see if it is there.
She plucks a photo from the Internet and claims her husband took it. Lies. Looks like she can't help herself.

Their lives are full of bizarre and outrageous 'revelations' and I wonder how much of that is bunk


Kindly counsel us on what is 'credible' enough for your ears