Ubenedictus: i haven't learnt much on nairaland but i learnt something one day from pastor aio.
Mancy, refers to d art of foretelling d future(divination), the is actually many types of mancy hydromancy is foretelling d future (divination) using water. Necromancy is not contacting d dead, necromancy is foretelling d future or divining using the dead. Catholics don't do that, divination and future telling are condemned in catholicism, the communion of saints has nothing to do with divination or fortune telling. That means we do not practice necromancy.
Saul was condemned for contacting a dead Samuel. Why would a Catholic contact a dead Paul and pretend it is different?
1 Chronicles 10:13 English Standard Version (ESV)
13 So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance.
xxxtedyxxx: lol. Its not news that t.B joshua is fake. Watch is deliverance sessions on tv. Its funnier than comedy. Imagine the whole congregation laughing like night of a thousand laugh. What kind of deliverance is that? Not of talk of demons making grammatical blunders, inconsistencies like demons talking through people and giving fake inconsistent explanations all to the amusement of the congregation.
Na only synagogue I see where demon talk tru person..." I am destroyer, right from wen I was in onitsha, I av destroy so many, I can change to cat anytime, go yaba ask of me". Then the whole congregation bust into laughter..lol...
Tb joshua is fake abeg.
How com demons talk with the same thick Negro accents?
Tofax: God only permit what He want US to see, besides show me any prophet who forsaw all the calamity that happen to them. Remember in every situation God is still saying something. I wonder if Our Saviour Jesus Christ have averted His death on the cross where will the Believers go?
The collapse did not happen to him but to a guest house in his church.
I agree God is still saying something and with regard to the 116 human sacrifice, He gave all the fools still following TB Joshua a warning.
Jesus KNEW He came to die so it never caught him by surprise. He came to die so you may live
Ubenedictus: the communion of saints has nothing to do with necromancy, necromancy is d act of foretelling future event. The saints arent fortune telling and anyone who attempts to do such is under condemnation by the catholic church. It is a communion of prayer in d one body of Christ.
Ubenedictus: the communion of saints has nothing to do with necromancy, necromancy is d act of foretelling future event. The saints arent fortune telling and anyone who attempts to do such is under condemnation by the catholic church. It is a communion of prayer in d one body of Christ.
Lastly, Jesus is The way to the throne of grace, wen i pray it is thru Jesus, when my brother on earth prays 4 me it is thru d same Jesus, when my brother in heaven prays 4 me it must still be thru the same Jesus. no catholic will have it without Jesus.
Necromancy is contacting the dead not foretelling.
Saul could contact Samuel when alive but once he died, and he attempted contacting him, he was condemned. Can you see this? What was the difference? A dead Samuel and a living samuel are different things.
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man in hell desired somebody to be sent back from the dead to affect the living. The dead can't affect your life. Jesus is alive and we pray to and through him because he resurrected.
jarkata: he is a blessing to dis generation, he has been chosen by God take it or leave it, is only in Nigeria he has more haters. with d look of things a country can declare a public holidays just bcs tbj pay dem a visit, I can remember wot happened in Colombia and Mexico crusade, if only you watch d life program, ur mentality could have been changed. Iam not a member of scoan, I see no reason why dey hate d man here in Nigeria
Tanzania have a public holiday because of the election not because of TB Joshua. The new president will be sworn in today and normally swearing in day is a public holiday. Where are your brains my broda?
Nigerians don't hate the charlatan, they have started using their brains and can see him for what he is; a crook. South Africa started using their brains when their 80+ foolish citizens perished during their pilgrimage to SCOAN.
jarkata: a level headed person will never call his fellow men "dump" I don't argue with teenagers, I know an adult Will not abuse his fellow men dis way. just bcoz Dey fail to admit d fact.
You may be 90 but with the brain of a fetus.
That clip was released on 5th of October 2014 while the building collapsed on 12th of September. How could it be prophetic seeing the building had already collapsed?
jarkata: go ask google, men of little faith only to speak against men of God is their pride, do u know God opinion about ur life? do u know wot will happen to u in d next few days? we all live by mercy, if u watch Emmanuel TV he mention it b4 d incident happened, he rushed to Lagos from Colombia crusade and he said " d incident dat is going to happen now is as close as my mouth and he told d congregation dat if it happens dat dey bomb dis church now u will be d first person to call CNN. I have tried my best to avert dis but let d will of God be done"
Are you naturally this dumb or are you putting special effort?
WHEN did they upload the clip? Before or after the 116 strong human sacrifice?
Smooyis: You are very wrong. TBJoshua says what he hears from God and does not twist anything as you claimed. It's clear from your write-up that you do not know the prophet enough. There are sufficient record of prophecies to his merit.
Primitive Negroes can't see through his shenanigans. You are excused
Makweembo: Here's a pic from a Tanzanian newspaper stand this morning... Crazy!!!
On the other hand, not a single Nigerian newspaper even reported the story... A prophet, they say, is without honour in his hometown.
For your information the Tanzanian elections like other Negro elections was marred with so much irregularities that they had to cancel the results of the semi-autonomous Zanzibar island.
Looks like TB Joshua the charlatan is always at home with crooks.
And the funny thing? Tanzania are primitives so deep into witchcraft for a better part that it's little wonder they found SCOAN welcoming.
All the main contestants and the outgoing president love TB Joshua witchcraft
Makweembo: Today, TB Joshua met with all the main opposition leaders in Tanzania.
Perhaps for reconciliation?
He is on a campaign trail raising funds from the East African Neanderthals because Nigerians have finally started using their brains and can see the charlatan for what he be
Tofax: Prophets are sent by God to warn the world of the devices of the devil and his agents,So that we can make amends where neccessary and beat the evil days ahead e.g Prophet Amos,Prophet Jeremiah. Our Saviour Jesus CHRIST also foretold what will happen in the last days such as Famine,Wars,Nation against nation,Pestilence etc. These prophecies are not meant to scare believers but to make them draw closer to God. Unfortunately,The world want to be told what they wish to hear such as "you'll be rich,you're blessed,you'll have children", etc. But God has already made these things available to US and it is written in His word (Bible) so I don't need anyone to remind me.
The difference is TB Joshua cooks prophecies and edits videos to make his asinine rants got facts. Case in point is the Russian jet that crashed in Egypt. He claims he saw it yet he spoke of an aircraft IN Russia airspace.
Only low IQ see hero in TB Joshua. But then again, this is Africa and it's so full of them
dalaman: Why are poor nations the most religious? Why do poor people cling to religion? The answer is obvious, when you are in pain you take painkillers! Poverty is pain, religion soothes poverty! The poor rely on religion for comfort. Across the planet and especially in Africa, the most impoverished people are often told their reward is in heaven and that they should be thankful for being alive. Thus, the poor embrace religion as a way to handle the plight they have no power to escape.
Apart from Buddhists, I’m not aware of anyone who is happy to be poor. That is why people want to pray away poverty. People only pray over the uncertainties in life. No one, except Nigerians, pray for things they have control over. No one prays to strike a match or to open one’s mouth. The more uncertainties one experiences in life, the more religious one becomes. It is also a fact that people with low Intelligence Quotient (IQ) have less understanding of reality, they face more uncertainties and have less control of their lives. This means the underclass are more religious than wealthy and intelligent people. As a consequence, the more the population of the underclass in a nation, the poorer the nation is, the more religious the nation is and the more it gets exploited by the clergy. When people are poor they lean on religion for comfort.
In a 2010 Gallup poll of 100 countries, the data showed a strong, positive correlation between strict adherence to religion and privation. In like manner, an independent study by Dr. Tom Rees, published in the Journal of Religion and Society, showed that in places without strong social safety nets to provide people with opportunities for upward mobility, they are more likely to be religious. When suffering becomes a constant in the lives of people, they are easily consoled by visions of the apocalypse, judgement, punishment and hell. Poverty, deprivation and suffering often leads to consolatory beliefs that the world will soon end, with God rewarding the faithful with everlasting joy where there is no want, no toil, no tribulation. The doom and gloom predictions of the rapture and the trials and tribulations that humanity will face, as found in Christian fundamentalism, is thus made popular. The scenario helps perpetuate suffering by attributing a higher purpose to human pain and suffering as part of God’s grand plan for absolution among His chosen.
The religionists may argue that religion does provide real assistance and a sense of security to the poor. That is true to a lesser extent, it does not solve the problems associated with poverty. What the religious houses give in assistance, they take back a thousand fold in tithes and offerings. Religion as a positive social influence in Nigeria is a decoy for much larger social problems that promotes poverty. One of the biggest problem in Nigeria is religion. Just how does the lowly working class focus on developing logical, realistic plans to escape the oppression of the powerful who promote religion to keep the poor content with their parlous state on earth? The truth is that the Nigerian ruling elite in collaboration with the clergy want everyone in perpetual bondage. They know, if the poor gets wise and stops waiting for the reward of the afterlife, they will start fighting for some of that reward right here, right now. They will stop worshiping their oppressors and start demanding their fair share. That is why a Senator will rather build Churches, and Mosques while governors will prefer to distribute rice, kerosene, vegetable oil and chicken than to build good and equipped schools or give scholarships to reputable institutions of learning.
In a country where good roads, electricity and healthcare facilities are taken to God in prayer, the link between religion and poverty is worth analysing more closely. Do Nigerians turn to religion due to despair, or do people fall into poverty as a result of their religious beliefs? This question is pertinent because seemingly intelligent, educated people in Nigeria believe they have no control over their lives because their living and dying has been preordained and it is all in God’s hands. For these people, life choices do not count. The only method of making major life decisions – where to school, where to live, who to marry is “to tell my pastor and pray over it.”
Religion in Nigeria has become a powerful open trap that exerts tremendous social pressure that is often impossible for the uneducated mind to avoid. In my interactions, I have seen educated people, who were normal in their homes, normal at work and everywhere outside of the Church, become complete fools once inside the Church. One cannot but wonder if the central problem comes from people turning their minds off once they walk through the door of a Church or Mosque. Their minds seem conditioned to do so since they were young. They swallow anything that is said as the truth. It is no longer what the Bible says but what my Pastor says and for the Muslims, every reference is according to this Sheikh and that Imam. To a first time visitor to Nigeria, it is easy to conclude that religion makes both educated and uneducated Nigerians mindless.
The result of our religiosity is not difficult to fathom. It has been a disaster for Nigeria in the rapidly changing world of the 21st century. All ramifications considered, the malfeasance of the Abrahamic faiths is staggering in its extent and its viciousness on our national psyche. The link between religion and poverty is easy; it is control. If you feel less in control of your life, you seek beliefs that help you feel greater control. Being poor and poorly educated, lacking power in the larger world and solid knowledge of the way things work, the natural fallback becomes a belief in miracles and magic. In Nigeria, magic and miracles comes in the neat package of religion. With the nation-space littered with Pastorpreneurs, who preach prosperity and nothing else, religion may be the only source of hope for a better life for a larger portion of our people.
The trick the Pastors and the rulers who patronise and encourage them know is that the greater your education (good education), the more you understand the world, and the more options you have for moving and succeeding in it. Education is the power you can see, it is the power you create that allows you to need less of miracles and magic. That is why they have ruined education collaboratively. That is why almost all the Churches and some Islamic sects and organisations have invested in education. They make it expensive, such that majority of their congregants can’t afford it and where they can, they shape the kind of education they give. They do this to ensure successful manipulation and enslavement of our people. That is why “touch not my anointed” is one of the most quoted verse in the Bible, in today’s Nigeria. It is the reason why the poor congregant will donate his entire January salary in his bid to sow by giving his first fruits (insane). That is why a person earning minimum wage is happy his Pastor has bought a second Gulf-stream jet while he barely could afford his transportation to Church.
Religion offers a sense of hope, and it helps keep the poor from total despair. It thwarts their drive to improve their lot and creates a social disincentive for progress. That is why people under stress are easier targets for evangelism. That is why the soul winning ministries have more success among the poor, and it is the reason they target people going through life-changing events such as illness, marriage, divorce, pregnancy, death in the family, etc. We ought to be wary of those who take advantage of us at our most vulnerable moments.
Without a shred of doubt, Nigerian churches have failed the poor. On the other hand, Islam is busy promoting intergenerational poverty through fatalism and fundamentalism. Religious centres have become profit oriented mega-companies. All hope is not lost. If the right investments in education are embarked upon, the situation will change. Nigeria will be a better place and the social benefits of religion will naturally take centre stage and be targeted further down the socioeconomic ladder, and delivered through education, community and charitable giving. For Nigeria’s renaissance, we must think less of hell and the annihilation of the human race. We must commit to making this life the best that it can possibly be, since it is the only life that any of us has. As urgent as we can, we must ensure that the basic needs of the majority of our people are met and that they have opportunities for security and advancement.
Image123: We need him in Nigeria, we need him in court not Mexico or Tanzania. He looks changed/older by the way. What's the court doing on his case sef? How can a religious leader be flouting the law?
ayoku777: Prophecy means to speak under the inspiration of the Spirit. Whether the Holy Spirit chooses to teach (exhort) or pray or sing or fortell through the prophecy is up to Him. And He does that through women too.
Shalom
What is the difference between prophecy and teaching because these are two distinct gifts as far as Paul is concerned?
Raymondenyi: . U all were not half as critical as I was to this man TBJ ; I tell u, I saw him as Satan walking on earth ; until something moved me sometime and I just casually started watching Emmanuel TV, after hearing some testimoney from a distant friend... My brother, My mentality changed!!! That might is one of the Very fewest Men Of God that really practices what the bible preaches!!! "No Man That is not of God can Do what he does"... I'm 200% sure; U all criticising him are only doing do from hearsay; take ur time, look through him, look into his works, make some finding for yourself... I'll tell u, ur ideas will change..... He is truly a prophet... u can choose to continue in ur blind castigations or do some fact findings... it's all left to you.
BTW ; I don't attend his church, neither am I a member...
Am your exact opposite. When the Malaysian jet #MH370 went off radar last year, I caught TB Joshua blabbering all asinine silliness including knowing the exact final resting place of the jet and how he could have shown where had he been approached and taken to Malaysia. I was still too blind to see the charlatan for all he was. The point he lost me was when he said the plan would be found 'any time from now'. It's been over a year.
Negroes and their legendary minimal IQ and centuries of ingrained paganism are least likely to see past his shenanigans. Lord have mercy on the Negro
ayoku777: The scripture said the daughters of Philip prophesied.
Acts 21v9 -And the same man (Philip) had four daughters, virgins, WHICH DID PROPHESY.
The gift of prophecy is for speaking unto the edification of the church
1Cor 14v3 -But he that prophesieth SPEAKETH UNTO MEN to edification, and EXHORTATION, and comfort.
Scripture went further;
1Cor 14v4 -...but he that prophesieth EDIFIETH THE CHURCH.
If the Holy Spirit wanted women to keep quiet in church, why would He give women the gift of prophecy -the gift of speaking unto men to edification and exhortation of the church?
The gift of prophecy is to speak unto men to exhortation and comfort; and to edify the church. That gift should be forbidden to women; if God wanted women to keep quiet in church, and to not exhort in church.
On the day of pentecost, it wasn't only the men that spoke in tongues of men, there were women among them too; and they all spoke out in tongues of men. And that was the move of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 1v14 -These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, WITH THE WOMEN, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
Acts 2v4 -And they were ALL (the women inclusive) filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to SPEAK with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Women spoke out in tongues of men just like the other brethren, to the amazement of the heathens and the exhortation of everyone.
Acts 2v11,12 -...we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. And they were all amazed, ...
The Corinthian church was a very rowdy church, so disorderly in their conduct of worship; in holy communion, in practise of tongues etc. And Paul wrote to them to set things straight and in order.
We should understand some things in the epistles in this context; so that we would be more spiritual and less dogmatic in interpreting the instructions Paul gave to some churches in the conduct of worship.
Because if we are to judge by the antecedents of the move of the Spirit in the scriptures, even in the biblical church; we will see that God also gave women the gift of exhortation and edification of the church in word (either through prophecy or interpreted tongues).
This should not be, if God wanted women to shut up in church, and/or have nothing to do on the pulpit.
1Cor 14v31 -For ye may ALL prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
If God gave women the gift of prophecy, it means God also has something to say and teach through women, and He wants the church to also learn from them. If God wants to exhort through a woman, who are we to shut them up in the name of dogmatism?
Let us apply more spirituality and humility, and less dogmatism and legalism in interpreting the instructions Paul gave to some churches concerning conduct of worship.
Shalom.
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Obviously prophesying and praying is not TEACHING. Isn't this why there is a gift of prophecy and another of teaching?
Acts 3:6 (ESV) 6 But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”
Acts 3:16 (ESV) 16 And his name—by faith in his name—has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.
Acts 4:7 (ESV) 7 And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, “By what power or by what name did you do this?”
Note 1. Peter said 'Jesus Christ of Nazareth thereby distinguishing Jesus from other names by his office and also his home town 2. He says it is faith in his name. 3. And finally the rulers question, 'what power OR what name'
So name is a synonym of power. When you mention he name Jesus, it is not the name as such but the power of the one behind it. Myles Munroe once gave the example of a traffic cop, how by a wave of hand he can stop a 16-wheeler truck weighing several tons. It is the authority vested by the government in him that the driver recognizes when he sees his uniform. The uniform is nothing but pieces of well pressed fabric.
Likewise the name Jesus is just letters. But behind it is the authority of the King of Kings and Lord of Lord
Is it proper for a church to pay it's workers because a friend of mine said they pay him whenever he renders services to the church... Me sef come dey reason am when church close today na so I dey look my pastor face, I fit change mind next sunday o...but is it proper? or make I ask pastor howfar?
Excellent question. If anybody in church gets paid, then so should they. If the pastor is well remunerated, why not the coworker?
Sadly many ministers think that only they are entitled to compensation citing do not muzzle an ox. This is selfish. Some workers spend more time in church than the pastor yet they are supposed to live 'by faith' and await their reward in heaven.
A truly charitable ministry where nobody demands compensation would cultivate a charitable spirit.
Having said that, church workers should have an attitude of service not remuneration. So you are an instrumentalist blessed with the gift of composing psalms. Won't you worship because nobody pays you? Don Moen sang for free for years till God raised him and men started appreciating his thing. Had he sulked till his bills were paid, he'd never have risen.
Believers need to be armed with the mind of Christ, prepared to lose so somebody gains and not an investor all the time out to rake in most bucks per hour
Ubenedictus: it seems you know little abt catholicism even though u seem to enjoy criticising it.
Catholics believe in the "communion of saints" (google d apostles creed), put simply, it means Jesus has one body, and all who are justified by faith are members of that body, that body is timeless, ageless, does not die and cannot be butchered. So everybody in the body of Christ are brothers and sister and they all assist each other (1 cor), and physical death cannot divide dat body.
mary is not d only person catholics ask 4 prayers, they ask from all member of d body of Christ, those in heaven and those on earth including peter, paul, james...and even martha.
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