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I'll slaughter kimco later. But kimco before i do that. Better drop your theory on what you think pains animal summons are.

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]Nyansh tumor.[/color]

*Falls*

Feraz: The people I'd rather pair is Madara, Izuna and Itachi vs Hashirama and Tobirama. Here, the Senju brothers are at a disadvantage.

Then we must add Hiruzen at his prime to balance it up

SIR cum a lot:
I hope hashi died peacefully and not fighting
Naruto am sure is stronger than the raikage as at that fight and he hasn't even peaked at that time
I think the way a shinobi dies should matter except those 20 shinobi are jiraya level type I don't see how tobirama should be killed I doubt if any shinobi that would make up any of us top 5 list would die like that Or may be his death was the only thing that would divert attention from sarutobie and CO
Any other exception aside this two to me is unacceptable.

Naruto vs Raikage one on one at the level he was then ? Naruto would have died. Simple.

samieiyke: Whr do u stay (location)

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kimco: Who is mito uzumaki?

Another question like this KImco and you'd be banned from this thread

kimco: U're reaching too far. Susanoo isn't sasuke. I don't see susanoo gain any thing sasuke gains. Susanoo is a diff entity. Like a summon.

We've already acknowledge however that juugo and sasuke are compatible. My argument was mostly on susanoo.

kimco: ERRM, SUSANOO ISN'T COMPOSED OF THE USERS CHAKRAA, IT'S LIKE A SURMON. IT'S IT OWN ENTITY. SO FAR AS THE USER HAS CHAKRA TO KEEP IT GOING, IT'LL STAY. IT NEEDS CHAKRA TO STAY BUT ISN'T COMPOSED OF THE SUMMONERS CHAKRA.

hahaha would i be wrong to say that you are loosing your touch kimco? Now if the susanoo was a separate entity Like a summon then why
1. Is The susanoo be powered by the users chakra?
2 Most importantly didn't the susanoo develop in conjunction with Sasuke's hatred? And if you combine it with what tobirama said as the biolgical link between hatred and developing powerful chakra in an Uchiha
3. if the susanoo was a summon then from where is it summoned from?
4. Why can't the susanoo exist outside the users body?
a. Why does madara's susanoo form hand seals with it when madara is doing his own?
b. Why can't susanoo's talk?
5. Why isn't a summoning technique used with it? or why don't they sign contract with the susanoo kingdom first?
6. Has an Uchiha that uses the susanoo ever described it as it's own entity? or ever related it to a summon? infact the susanoo has mostly been described as a MS technique.
You're making assumptions again without proof, same thing you keep telling us not to do

kimco: Izuna says hi. Sasuke might be a serious liability like in the kabuto fight. Honestly if itachi wasn't an edo tensei....that match would have been lost. They were no match for him too.

SIR cum a lot:
I didn't remember much about kabuto's fight.
Am sure the brodas must realise that the only way they stand a chance against Tobirama is to gang up against him a one on one match up with either going first would end horribly but in a 2 vs 1 scenario uchiha wins this, one of the uchiha's must die sha.
I have huge respect for Tobirama but getting killed by 20 shinobi's ?? I would expect a whole army to face tobirama and he would kill them all.

Look at what was said above by Kimco

Also we don't know how harashima died but does that change the fact that he is the God of Shinobi? The 3rd Raikage defeated 10000 men before he died but when he came back he was defeated by one boy. No be by how person die na im matter

Tosyn007: Perhaps, but itachi is not an ordinary Uchiha like Tobirama has faced, and Sasuke can give support in any way necessary...

Tobirama has had under his command exceptional Uchihas, Tobirama was the commanding officer of Shisui Uchiha's father, Kagami Uchiha back from where Uchiha full everywhere. How did he know that Uchiha's went berserk from hate? Do you know how many times they would have called him to contain mad uchihas that others couldn't?
Tobirama was the one that provided the direct biological link between hatred and how the mangeykyo is formed and the consequent increase in Chakra, Now looking at what you've seen from orochimaru, how many uchihas would he have studied to get that info? Nothing new under the sun oh.
Tobirama is a non Uchiha, uchiha expert

Let me give some Naruto Education

The Hiraishin Mawashi no Jutsu is a technique that allows a Hirashin user ton exchange places with another Hirashin user. Now if Tobirama was the one who invented the technique and there is no record of another Hirashin user in the manga before minato, How did the 4th invent that technique?


(Damn as i was typing the question i already came up with the answer). anyway the Question above is for KImco alone

Mutaino7: make una add mito uzumaki join nah atless it shud be three against three. or add tsunade, hiruzen, minato. am sure una don knw d result.

Abeg i believe that only sasuke alone can kill tsunade, There i said it.

If you add Hiruzen in his Prime or even minato, them know already the outcome of the fight (Senju team for those who still can't guess) na im be why they make am 3 against 2

SIR cum a lot:
Each of the uchiha bro's would need full attention from tobirama to kill even sasgay I know how it looks but he is no pushover.
I thought only hashi,yamato and madara can use wood ?

come do you know who tobirama is? He has invented Jutsus oh? How many jutsus has sasuke invented? Even Itachi sef? The thing is that itachi would not want his brother to be killed and he would be giving advice to him as they are fighting together as they did when they were fighting kabuto.If not for the fact that Itachi was an edo tensei wouldn't Kabuto alone have beaten the two brothers?

Feraz: Tosyn007, while I appreciate your opinion, Tobirama in my own opinion is way smarter than Itachi.
I just hope Kishi can show how good his battles were and how he fought the gold and silver brothers. This is one battle I'm eager to watch/read.

I don't think tobirama is smarter than Itachi, Itachi has one basterd intelligence. Though the highest that itachi can go is to be on par with the Second Hokage

Feraz: This one Ihedinobi dey view, I'm expecting a lengthy reply. *dodges flying bottle from him*

*catches the bottle, does Hiraishin to where ihedinobi is and breaks the bottle on his head*

All i can say about the senju brothers vs the Uchiha Sannin match up is that
Once upon a time. It was said that Izuna Uchiha was as powerful as his brother madara even with the same mangeykyo sharingan and we all saw how tobirama disposed of him..
Tobirama would quickly kill sasuke and If He needs a backup to help him, a wooden clone would be enough after all it's 3 against 2.

kimco: 1. Acknowledged. so what do u think about sasuke and naruto's aparent half kyuubi half susanoo combo?.

It's a combination jutsu and it is not surprising seeing that
1. Naruto has shown his prowess in transforming Bijuu chakra into many other people's nature types
2. Sasuke has also shown to be able to adjust his chakra to naruto's techniques
You really need to stop seein the Bijuu mode and Susanoo had separate techniques, they might be techniques on a class of their own but they are still composed of the users chakra

kimco: 2. u're doing it again, u're assuming. Samehada refueled killer bee the moment it touched him. u think it has tym to start analysing his chakra type and refine it for him? Plssss.

You are also assuming, Where is the proof that samehada didn't quickly convert the chakra to Bee's type? How long does it even take? besides i'd like to believe that just like Karen, samehada as a sword is meant to take chakra from all people and also give sorta like a universal donor thing unlike Bijuu chakra which is not meant to be shared randomly

kimco: 3. It her ability, still doesn't stop the fact that it chakra she's giving out. tsunade shares chakra too, to the whole village actually, u think she has tym to be refining chakra to fit a whole villages' chakra type? C'mon man.

I don't even agree that it is tusnade's ability, remmember that we have never see tsunade transmit chkra to someone directly instead all we have seen is her using The Slug as a third party medium and can you honestly say that the slug would not have the time with all it's pieces to conform it to the person's type?

kimco: 4. not only kyuubi, hachibi too. Remember when hachibi gave kakashi chakra and then pushed him into obito's transportation jutsu? i guess he also refined it to kakashi's nature. Thing is, kishi is feeding us bs jux to make naruto look super good, his mistake was that he didn't think they'd be incoherent infos. He's slacking off big tym.

Was it Hachibi or Kyuubi? KImc do you read the manga??

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kimco: And what refinement are u talking about sir, he jux distributed kyuubi chakra to them. Chakra is chakra, there is no refinement to be had anywhere.

Unless u're nt making urslef clear for me to understand u tosyn i think u're not providing a good argument atall. Ur last one that had three likes had some potential to it. This one is very poor.

The fact that Kimco said the above makes me think whether he actually reads the manga or he just makes arguments by disproving others arguments through nice argument tactics. Kimco go and read the manga again and see what was noted about the way naruto distributed chakra to the alliance

Okay i just finished reading and Tosyn actually provided you with evidence from that manga page. and your defence was

kimco: i want u to deal with the matter at hand. putting naruto's combo with minato and his combo with sasuke is kind of shoddy(pardon my language)

U don't see me question every other combo do u?

U can't say because gaara was able to conveniently combine his father's gold sand means every other combo shud jux happen like that. It's not a gud argument. That's what i mean. Please let's stay on topic.

So i read ur link and i have one question: how did it help those who shared the chakra with naruto aside the fact that they had more chakra, were protected by it from external harm etc. If kishi is saying that naruto had to refine the chakra to meet every single person's nature (absolutely outrageous props btw) then how come samehada cud jux give chakra to whoever it desired and also the uzimaki girl cud share chakra with sasuke not worrying aba the chakra nature. Why were others able to drain chakra without any worry of it's nature? These are all Incoherent infos. But i want u to try answering this for me.

1. I don't know how you can swallow the fact that gaara can manipulate his father's gold and say it's because they are both sand. Why wasn't gaara born with the ability to make gold like his father? Why sand? But more importantly the real reason that i believe gaara was able to manipulate gold the way that he did is the same reason he is still able to manipulate sand even after the Bijuu left him
a. He has the genetic predispostion for it Evidenced by the fact that his father can also manipulate an element (not the right term) made of small particles
b. He has done it before as in the case of sand and then also seen it being done as in the case of his father

2. You said that Chakra is Chakra, How can you say such things? You're equating Bijuu chakra to human chakra? Bijuu chakra is very different from regular chakra. You need to be very observant to be able to spot certain thins in the naruto world. Why did Kyuubi have to switch consciousness with naruto in order to be able to send chakra to Kakashi? If it was just chakra why didn't he just have naruto send it?
You said that there was no refinement anywhere and tosin proved you wrong, i think it's high time you start acknowledging your lapses in spotting proofs in the manga especially when you're the one always asking for proof for the manga first. That was how last time you didn't know when Kyuubi shrank when it was right there in the manga. Naruto wiki is your friend KImco

3. Kishi has told you that naruto had to refine chakra to meet everyone's nature type and you're still arguing?
You have been shown proof from the manga and instead of trying to reason how this could make sense you are disputing it. Well i belive there are a number of reasons why naruto had to give everyone chakra that had conformed to their own nature type
1. Because Bijuu chkra is different from normal chakra and is not shared in the same way as others. Remember that it wasn't naruto's personal chakra that he was transferring but the kyuubi's own chakra which is why had to first put it in a format that would be able to enter their bodies.

2. How many times have you seen someone with Bijuu Chakra use the Chakra to perform their own justsus without being a Jinchuuriki? When naruto was using the kyuubi's own it was because he was already been a jinchuuriki for many years and the chakra had already conformed to his type as confirmed by that page that tosin gave you. MOst times all that people with Bijuu chakra without being a jinchuuriki (a selection of which only very few people fall into) could do was turn into a small version of the Bijuu with is usually the nin tails.
But in this case naruto wasn't supplying them chakra just for anything but for them to use with their own jutsus many of which require nature transformations and you'll have to admit that doing nature transformation on foreign bijuu chkra would have been very difficult and would have required a lot of training, the time for which they did not have.

My Key points being that
1. Bijuu chakra is different from human chakra
2. According to the Kyuubi bijuu chakra cannot just be transmitted to humans for use without a link between the Bijuu chakra and Human Chakra with in this case is naruto and the reason for that is that he has been a Jinchuuriki for many years.
3. Using nature transformation requires you to be able to transform your chakra into your basic element for use in jutsu, since the allied shinobi forces were going to use the required chakra for their won personal jutsus it would make it extremely difficult for them to start figuring out how to transform bijuu chakra into their own separate natures something that takes years to learn for even their normal Chakra talkless of a Bijuu's own

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Feraz: Wasn't that what I was shouting? Naruto must marry Hinata oh... I also said this thing. Madara is the major enemy here not Obito. Madara is just the pure villian who decided to become bad unlike Obito who was brainwashed.

Nah there a page of the manga where madara said something to himself about Obito getting it all wrong while he was talking to Naruto when they were both on top of the Juubi. I believed from that single tiny clue there that madara may not be all that bad after all.

Stop typing in Caps for one

SIR cum a lot:
@Wacky J I see wetin u rite I could follow up with another story but we did this once before may God spare us to the ending of the manga we shall see who is rite and the Winner fit come gloat here.

hehehe, come now we haven't had a good argument yet before we even postpone it to the future.

Nothing concern me concern sakura as long as naruto marry hinata, naruto should not even worry, i'll pay the bride orice and all of here will contribute to fund the wedding

Tosyn007: Did Sasuke train to gain Susano'o, Amaterasu? Did Naruto train to acquire bijuu mode? Did Madara train to use Mokuton? These things came easy for them cos they have a good foundation through training..

Did Gaara train to be able to combine gold to his sand?

All I'm saying is, since there are reasons to defend the combo jutsu then it aint a plothole and besides this is a combo jutsu, not a power up..

I love this. This is why tosyn is in my Ichizoku....

Tosyn007: That aint azzpull cos the plan is still intact

The first part isn't but the second part if obito Should team up with naruto and sasuke will be declared azzpull

pickabeau1: Yawn...

You, in and of yourself is and are boring

2s£xy:
Lo.

I dealt with one who calls herself betty aliu when she claimed to kiss a dude but 'told' her man like this OP did, however left out the kisses, except on nairaland.

She had to run up to Ogugua to help her delete the thread, she also took down her profile pic.

That betty aliu has turned into the infamous "Nobody".. whose account you can't click to view .

kennygee: He is not. I think i have gone past the rebound stage.

You're still thinking? Oh my God the possibilities
OP i have just one request to ask of you, when you mess up later in the future and break your current guy's heart
Make sure you tell us and you be honest and tell your boyfriend everything, Don't lie to him and keep decieving him.

Prediction : Looking at what kakashi has been thinking inside the barrier it is safe to assume that obito might have a semi change of heart and would want to pause the dream plan on his own but as he plans to do that, Madara Jumps him, (possibly takes the juubi) and then berates him for being weak and then proceeds to continue with the plan with all clarity.














Then maybe Obito will team up with naruto and Sasuke to stop madara and i sit back and watch as Kimco leads a group of Anbu to assassinate Kishi for Major As.sPull

SIR cum a lot:
This is a little condescending all of us na learner for here


I thought the Anti Sakura agenda na because of her Ninja skills and not based on who her love interest I wouldn't bother with all this talk. She (sakura) is on a path to replacing the greatest Female ninja making babies with Sasgay on Naruto isn't in her Agenda lesser Female Nins like Hinata and Ino can't fight for that honour and I suggest u and wacky get over her treatment of Naruto even the victim don grow pass all this lovey dobey ish.

What is the meaning of this @the bolded? she saved chakra for 3 years thats all and she is replacing the greatest female nin?

Wait did you just call hinata a lesser nin? Do you know what hinata was going through when sakura was doing lovey dovey during the younger days? Getting beat by her younger sister and doing Serious Hyuuga training all of which is similar to that 1000 thousand spars before the birthday sort of thing that was shown in the anime and you call her a lesser nin? Ino sef is on her way to replacing her father as the greatest shinteshin user in the village and All sakura had to do to really upgrade was save chakra for 3 years which was really easy considering she had not been in any serious fight since naruto left the village.

Every one is Giving her excuse that she has to protect the injured as a medical ninja and that's why she could not fight, i don't think that if tsunade was doing that she would not have the reputation that she has now.Please don't let all this war distraction deceive you, once evrything is over sakura goes back to being lovey dovey maybe she'll just be a little better at hiding it

Kimco did you complain like this when naruto and sasuke combined the rasenshuriken and Kagetsuchi?

rapmike: Wacky,no drop am nw, i no talk bad ting, na true i talk. At least i hav heard situations where a guy does everytin 4 a gal(pays her skul fees and rent, buy her wateva she wants e.t.c) then because of a s.t.upid old flame dat is nt interestd in her well being,she dumps d guy and goes afta d old flame. Afta d flame come die dump am,she go kum open mouth talk say all men r d same. So i understand Sakura perfectly, naruto is her maga, simple!

You are very correct that is why i dropped the argument

rapmike: Eermm.... I tink u misd smting here. Sakura fought(or rather tried to fight) the sound nins because she knew dat if sasuke(her love interest) and naruto dies, she had no chance in d forest. Besides it was not long b4 Lee(who also failed 2 get her affection) came 2 her rescue and almost took down one of the sound nins. Then Ino-Shika-Cho showed up b4 sasuke woke up. Conclusion: Sakura did not do anything when those Sound nins came apart 4rm making a short feeble defense which is totally outclassed by Hinata's actions wen Naruto was pinned by Pain.

Sir cum alot , i don't want to hear you voice again

Willyblinks: I did see a combo (naruto and sasuke) that means the beast is going to use a susano... Really will be interesting to see
I think even madara will be impressed by that b'cos he did it against hashirama too.

Kimco note this clever observation, I know why

I guess i was too late Kimco had already objected like i knew he would when i first read the post above

kimco: Nt interesting atall, utter bullocks if dat happens. Why are both of them comboing so damn great like dat. Nd also with the powers they jux recently acquired. Very bad

Which power did they recently acquire pray tell?
1. Sasuke's susanoo?
2 Naruto's Bijuu mode?
3. Naruto and sasuke being able to combine their jutsus?

Do you want them to go through the same old processes that old ninjas used to discover things? This is a war and in a war every ninja has the opportunity to quickly develop his or her techniques faster than they normally would in the quiet environment of thier village training ground. this is because, in the War the threat is real and they are faced with danger of their deaths. There is no time to be slowly think and try and fail, this is a war and you have to think on your feet and think fast.
You have seen naruto and sasuke combine their greatest justsus together before so what is wrong with them being able to combine their two modes together?
I'm imagining myself in naruto's and sasuke's position, once i know that it can be done and i feel the power to do it, i damn well will make my susanoo grow legs as in why is that not possible? After all Sasuke had already seen madara in action in madara's fight with Harashima so what is new again?

Try to think like the writer sometimes and not like the critic, he must not explain everything s;lowly to you, you sometimes look at past events and try to imagine the possibilities. so that if one of them should materialise, you wouldn't be too surprise and scream Utter bullocks.

Baddestguyp: @kimco and co who said its illogical for naruto to get the rinnegan. Guess what, naruto is getting the rinnegan next week This proves my thoery dat rikudo awakened the rinnegan nd was nt born with it since all the rinnegan users have been shown to hav awakened it

It seems you want to get on my bad side ehn. The sage was born with the rinnegan and it proof is already in the manga via deductive reasonning
Please listen to the young man below

Kaycee7: The only person known to have awakened the Rinnegan is Madara. The So6p was born with it as far as we know. Nagato was given Madara's Rinnegan and Obito l8r collected it upon Nagato's death.
Savvy?

kimco: We are making comparisons. His clones are durable now cos he has more chakra to share. Those who don't have enuff have used it sooo intelligently. Eg itachi, jiraiya, kakashi and even kisame.

Yes they used it very intelligently but remember there have been two occasions where naruto was limited in the number of clones that he could make and yet he made the most of it
1. When he could only make 3 clones at the most when he was fighting pain and how he used the clones to take down two of the paths in the single 3 staged move
2. When he was sending clones to each point of the battle field where he couldn't afford to have his clones killed or dispersed, in effect, those clones were made to represent him and could not afford to be killed. And also considered that he did that while knowing that the more clones he made the more quickly the kyuubi could consume his chakra while in was in Kyuubi Chakra mode

In each of the 2 scenarios mentioned above, did naruto not use his clones intelligently? it would not be fair to change naruto's rank in the usage of Kage Bunshin because he had more chakra. That was mostly due to his heritage and then you also have to consider that itachi while he had low chakra level was still a possessor of the sharingan and an older prodigy of his clan including kakashi

Nairaland=info:
I totalli disagree wit dee cos
1. Sakura is a medical shinobi who mustn't do battle (4get tsunade dat broke d medic 3-rulez
2. Sakura wasn't seein dat fight (thruout naruto's fight wit nagato i.e. 4rm start 2 end, she neva saw but heard naruto waz battlin pain....rememba dat dose who witnessed dat fight were wit BYAKUGUAN

1. the Village was destroyed, how many people does she want to save that very moment? When she was shouting naruto when he arrived she wasn't saving anybody. Besides she isn't the only medical ninja and there is only one naruto
2. That one na excuse? Remember it was like a Colosseum there, the whole place had been cleared, there were no structures, naruto and pain were fighting at the bottom of the put while everyone could see from the top. The poeple witnessing the fight using byakugan were only doing so in the intial stage where dust was everyone abi you want to say that you need byakugan to see Pain's gaint summons and Naruto's 3 frogs in a place that had already been cleared. Infact that fight must have been the most cleared fight to watch at that time because of the way that the terrain was at the time

SIR cum a lot:
what the Hinata achieve with her suppose bravery Naruto went berserk and would have destroyed everybody

Destroyed what had already been destroyed by pain? Or kill people of over which 90% had been killed? If not for naruto going berseerk, that would have been where the fight had ended

rapmike: Guy easy o... I knw say she no try bt d simple question is wetin she fit do? If na Sasuke na different case. U dey talk as if u no sabi gals, some naija gals behave lyke Sakura.

Because of this statement i drop the argument

SIR cum a lot:
Except you just dey come this thread evrybody no say Wacky J hate Sakura die !!!!

Feraz: Bros, calm down with the babe.

If she is quiet for the remaining part of the manga then she will be forgiven and may even be allowed to marry sasuke

kimco: Amidst crying and needing saving from the guys she was saving. What a ninja she is. *slow clap*

Finally we agree on something. *Brings Sake and pours into Kimco's glass*