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rapmike: hmnn...nyc drawing..will try to do so..but probably with just6 paper and pencil...

Brother it's like you know what's up. this one Kazekagesama and feraz are talking about onenote and Drawplus X5, i don't even get again oh.
Feraz and Kazekage-sama how do you use those softwares i'm interested

Feraz: A little something I did while bored!!!
Oya.... criticize!!!

Wow you're good it thought i'd do poems this holiday but i must beat this.

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Ihedinobi: Guy, na wa at you o. On what basis do you say that it was Oro Itachi was referring to?

Again, must Sasuke's ms resemble Itachi's own? Can't it have a unique look and still sport Itachi's powers? On what basis do you equal difference of appearance to difference in origin?

At the point where he said it,it was Orochimaru that had appeared, it was at the end that itachi touched sasuke's face and even then, the mangeykyo didn't appear.

Ihedinobi: Finally, I cannot argue strongly against loss being the sole reason for the activation of the ms, but that does not remove doubt. We have Itachi lying to Sasuke that he needs to kill his best friend to get the mangekyo. We saw Sasuke upgrade through the tomoes in pressing battle, not by killing anyone or watching someone die. If at all Sasuke's ms was obtained independent of Itachi as you yourself posit, then it happened (according to you o) independent of Itachi's death. Even though because of the Obito/Kakashi/Rin issue I cannot make strong arguments for ms activation being independent of necessary loss, I still have reason to believe that the ms does not need loss to activate. The emotional trauma can be anything that really upsets the sharingan user.

Guy it's like we follow naruto in different ways, there is no mangeykyo that was not activated b the sense of loss, itachi watched his best friend and mentor die and that was what activated his mangeykyo. when the mangeykyo that itachi put temporarily activated in sauke's eyes, it took that shape of itachi's mangeykyo and not sasuke's own and it never activated more than once, sasuke didn't even get his own until tobito finally made sasuke understand that itachi has always been that true brother and not what he pretended to be and that he had finally lost that brother forever. if the sharingan progressed by battle then it should have come out during the fight with itachi sine the fight was so intense that sasuke used up all his chakra there, it's the tomoes in the sharingan that are activated and progressed through by experience in battle and this is because they represent the level of experience of the user and the power of the sharingan as improved by continuous usage in battle. if the mangeykyo sharingan can be gotten by someone touching your head and putting the mangekyo in your eyes why can't the EMS be gotten when your brother touches your own eyes in similar manner when the two of you have your MS on

KazeKage1: Wait, anyone remembers this?

Hmmm you might be on to something. Okay
1. Obito sees kakashi murder Rin in cold blood...
2. He hears the Ninja's talk about retrieving her body as a prize they've worked for
3. He comes back to madara and hears the behind the scenes gist of what happens or he discovers later.
4. He doesn't blame kakashi directly...
What theory does those 4 points bring to your mind. GO!!!

Ihedinobi: It's not. The reason that I've held staunchly on to the theory that Sasuke inherited Itachi's mangekyo is that Zetsu said so and, I don't remember who, I think it was still Zetsu, but someone said that that was why the mangekyo powers were reversed in Sasuke's eyes. I agree, even if I have one reservation.

If the mangekyo is awakened by emotional trauma, then Sasuke's fear for his life when he saw that he'd exhausted his power without killing Itachi should have awakened it. Also I remember Itachi saying something like, "finally, it appears" but the chances that it was Oro's manifestation when Sasuke ran out of chakra that he was referring to are about the same as that it was the mangekyo that he referred to. That's my reservation.

My speculations are based on the anime anyway. Don't remember reading the manga on this one but there doesn't appear to be reason why the two should differ on this.

Common... Sasuke's MS Does not resemble anybody's own and is in itself weird so it's understandable that it's powers would not be exactly the same... And that "finally it appears phrase" was for Orochimaru, Itachi wanted to use that fight to cleanse Sasuke of Orochimaru, (Itachi referred to Orochimaru as It, see insult and disrespect). The emotional trauma is from loss not being scared, i think sasuke's father said it to sasuke

Ihedinobi: Honestly, I think that there was way too little information in that chapter to make any reasonable speculation. It could easily be that Rin had a bloodline limit. Any which way, Kakashi was really upset with killing her unless of course something got in his eye.

Which bloodline limit? Why did you jump to bloodline limit.

KazeKage1: Is it coincidence that Sasuke inherited almost all of Itachi's eye techniques? Aren't MS's supposed to manifest different techniques?

Nah not when they're so closely related.... You can only get the EMS From taking the MS Of a very close relative like a brother, a cousin might not even work...
As for me my EMS Has Kamui, Amaterasu and Susanoò... I'm Obito's first cousin... And the son Of sasuke's father's distant cousin...

Nino De Dios: Hahaha. Nice one. A tad pedantic but ur prolly a philosophy & logic buff.

nah Science actually

Ihedinobi: I believe that severe emotional trauma triggers the upgrade. But I'm not sure the trauma needs to be death. Again, like I said before, Sasuke's possession of the mangekyo still appears to be because Itachi gifted him with mangekyo powers just before dying.

Nah forget about what itachi did to sasuke, itachi did not gift him the MS Powers only temporarily put those powers inside sasuke's eye, to be activated upon seeing tobi, as you can see, sasuke only got his own MS After he understood the full import of itachi's death(at first he didn't regret it because to him itachi was not close to him), it was also said at one time in the Anime (i think around the time that itachi was being suspected for Shisui's death) that the MS Is activated by the loss of someone close to you and at first it was believed to be family members only which was why uchiha's were killing each other during madara's time but i think that the fact that sasuke's MS Did not activate immediately upon Itachi's death proved otherwise

Ihedinobi: As for Itachi's, I'm willing to believe that it was Shisui's suicide that triggered his own. I'm only maintaining that that is an inference that does not bar the possibility that he already had his mangekyo at the time of Shisui's death.

Yeah, I wondered about Kakashi's utterances about his mangekyo then. I had thought he'd only recently activated it. As for not knowing how to use it, it had been years na since he killed Rin by the time of his encounter with Itachi/Kisame, so he had had ample time to figure things out. Why didn't he?

1. Because he didn't know that it was there
2. He didn't know how to activate it.. I.e no uchiha to give him example

Ha. I knew it.. Rin was a double agent of some sort or perhaps the higher ups in the village ordered it....

obasijoy: There is a big difference between missing someone and someone's name flashing in your mind. I will believe that once in a while, you may see someone that looks like him which will make him flash in your mind #this person looks so much like.....# just for that second. It doesn't mean that I miss him at all. I'm talking about myself, I don't know of others. Guys do miss their ex more. Good girls are rare to find. If your ex girl friend is not the money type and very hard working and your new girl friend is the money/lazy type, while wouldn't you miss your ex always. Its very easy for guys to miss their ex than girls. I can also deduce it from this thread.

What you're saying does not follow at all.
1. You say people MISS their ex because they are currently dating people who are worse and that you yourself do not miss your ex because of your new awesome guy.
2. You also say that Good girls are rare to find
3. You say that guys miss their exes more than girls do. If this follows your first statement above then it stands to reason that
a. Guys meet girls that are worse that their exes more times than not and in the same vain girls meet guys who are better than their exes.
If the above assumption is true and your first statement is also assumed to be true then it means that
b. guys keep dating "bad girls" that means that for guys, that the difference between the ex and the current is that one is just slightly worse than the other and looking at your statement no 2 it means that there is no guarantee that the ex was a good girl... Looking at all this guys have very little reason to miss their exes if at all
but if the reverse happens for the girls then girls must miss their ex because it was not that he was all bad...

KazeKage1: It doesn't?
Then please explain what happened to Tobi's eye after using Izanagi to escape Konan's jutsu or better still, tell us why Madara's left eye* socket is empty.

KazeKage1: You don start again

Lol but no be lie na.... Me i believe the case was very simple. Tobi used one Of the spares which he kept in the other eye to do the Izanagi and when he retrieved the rinnegan, he did a transplant..

biolabee: all y'all are just assuming

we are trusting tobis word that the rinnegan is not nagato's
he was lied to and he is also a liar

why dont we be patient a little

It's no longer obito's word, it's now madara's..

Ihedinobi: When I say during, I believe it was right at the end due to the trauma of near-death.

Exactly that's what i was saying back then and i partly still stick to it though in light of recent revelations it's possible He may have awaken it later with the harashima DNA

Diamondwriter: Heard the clearance have began....source- http://thestudentvillage./2012/10/09/uniben-commences-clearance-for-new-students/

Which clearance..?

Ihedinobi: @bolded, I'd say during

Why during? If you say that them you're implying that madara lost to Harashima with rinnegan..
I'd say it was after...

Ihedinobi: You can't ask me about Madara's eye because there is nothing to suggest that it was izanagi that cost him his eye. But as for Tobi's eye, did we see an empty eyesocket? Case in point, Danzo. Another: Itachi's Izanami. The eye closes with Izanagi, it suffers a kind of cataract or something with Izanami.

Madara said that he gave his own eyes (both of them) to somebody and replaced one of them with a spare sharingan he had. Why does it need to mean Izanagi? As far as I can see, it makes sense for Nagato to have Madara's rinnegans.

#Gbam

KazeKage1: Lets go with Tobito
Are you saying Tobito's rinnegan was implanted on the same sharingan eye he used Izanagi with?
Some big eye socket he must have to accomodate both eyes...

Yes oh. Just like sasuke and madara have big eye sockets for accommodating both their EMS' AND that of their brothers.. As for tobito's it's very possible and likely that he removed the spare in order to implant the rinnegan