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kekakuz:
if you have questions
direct them to seasoned men of God like oyakilome and lets see who will try to escape

A pig wearing lipstick is still a pig.

The story has major holes in it. Once the fear of asking questions dissipates, that story can no longer be sold to a mentally disabled 3 yr old.

calaharry:
...Just pulse a minute and reflect.
I TELL YOU AS A VAST SCIENTIST AND A BELIEVER IN CHRIST JESUS, GOD did not create evil.

Should I believe you, or the words of the bible?


Isaiah 45:7King James Version (KJV)

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

alexis:
Weah96



You said all the Bible writers took substance - I asked you for proof and you are here swallowing your tongue



You believe they don't - I believe they do.



Oh yes - Cocaine and Heroine can make you see things



Easy - do you believe in miracles?



So, 66 authors over different life-times all sat down together and decided it should be a fictional book?

Cocaine and heroin are NOT entheogens. Get your drugs right, I never said they were rock stars.

Quit this appeal to traditional values tactic my brother. I'm impervious to it.

Since you believe that virgins give birth, contrary to the findings of medical science, kindly tell us where the last recorded event was witnessed.

Let me see the gospel of Joseph, the step father of Jesus. He may have had one or two things to say about that whole virginity business.

BossTtdiamonds:
1. Do you believe in Allah?
2. Are you a messenger of Allah?

Allah, the personal God who requires that we shower 5x daily, is imaginary.

As for your own God Jesus, the bible defines him. His character is alive in the four gospel stories.

See Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16.

John 14:12, for example, states rather unambiguously:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

Well my friend, there's your proof. The character Jesus never left the text of the story.

That's what I call an insurmountable disconnect between the literature and reality.

According to the verse above, either Jesus is REAL and NO ONE on the planet believes in him,

Or

He's imaginary.

Would you like me to show you more proofs from the bible?

BraveGuy:
By the way, I want to add that Jesus says, "Search you the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39.

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Was Jesus speaking to John, or was he giving John a message to write down for me to read 2000 years later?

alexis:
The only person that we have evidence that took any substance and that have confirmed it is you. If you have evidence of every single Bible writer taking substance; please bring proof.

The evidence is the bible itself.

Virgins don't give birth, snakes don't talk, dead people do not wake up after 3 days of relaxing in the soil.

But all these things are possible when the nervous system is under the influence of entheogens.

When was the last time you saw a virgin mother, or a dead man walking around one week after his funeral?

The authors of the bible either intended it to be a completely fictional book, or they were HIGHER than even God himself.

davien:

LETS EVEN LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE.....IS ART AND DREAMS THE BEST EVIDENCES FOR "GOD" WHEN BILLIONS ARE DYING OF STARVATION IN AFRICA?....."OMNISCIENT DIETY" GIVES MOZART PRODIGY INSTEAD OF FOOD TO THE WORLD

But your ways are not his ways na. Hahaha.

A baby that dies of starvation in east Africa is not really dead. That baby is eating steak in heaven.

BossTtdiamonds:
Please do stay on course with the initial argument, do not divert. Two can play this game

You asked after my definition of God and you said you will prove to me that my God does not exist.
I have given you my definition.
That is the argument, stick to it and stop diverting away from the bone of contention.

I never mentioned Allah

That was not a definition, it was a cowardly cop out. Are you not a follower of Jesus?

Yes or no? Jesus is an example of a God. Allah is another. Pick Jesus or Allah and I'll show you that they're both fictional characters like Obi Okonkwo from Things Fall Apart.

alexis:
Weah96



Coming from someone that takes substance to induce experiences with fairies . Need I say more?



Just the same way you think He doesn't exist is the same way I think He does. Besides, are you not all knowing to claim that God doesn't exist?



The answer is quite simple but for the fool; it can be quite complicated. The very same question had been asked multiple times and by your likes thousands of years ago:

John 10:24-27:

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Do you understand the relationship between a flock of sheep and a shepherd?

And what does tripping have to do with anything? Were the writers of the bible not hardcore drug addicts?

Sweetnecta:
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And the atheist say that this singular source must be seen. this is their condition before they accept that God exist. even they can't produce another singular source for us to see. it is impossible for a stationary or a moving single unit [smaller that any imaginable object] particle to break apart and produce biological, chemical, physical objects with tremendous masses and energies that we see, and what we don't see and know about, yet. It just can not happen.

But God as The Source for me, even we can not see Him [and we cant see the wind/air], His creating Ability and the effects of the created things are enough evidence of His EXISTENCE [wind/air is believed to exist because of its ability to cool, to move things]

Listen brother, you haven't provided any evidence for this your God person either.

You merely stated that the God person created the wind and the trees and me. That's your alternative to the suggestions put forth by scientists, suggestions which were only presented to the public after rigorous reviews and experiments.

All you're doing is SAYING that this God person created this and that.

That's nothing. I could just as well say that my niece did it all, and invent a corresponding myth to go along with it.

Is the Dalai lama not some man God walking around? He invented his own story to match his swag.

Scientists are the only ones doing the real hard work.

frosbel:
^^^^

You hit the nail on the head.

Accepting God in their opinion makes them look stupid, while accepting Atheism makes them appear intellectual even though the basis is quite foolish !

Are you not the same person who believes that Africans are the original Jews? The ones from the bible?

Your Jesus is different from the Israeli one, which means that you're headed for hell. The orthodox Christian hell.

I wouldn't be worried about atheists if I were you. I would first try to figure out who that black Jesus is you're praying to everyday.

His village might be close to mine somewhere.

alexis:
I exist whether I think or not - that doesn't prove consciousness. I know that I am black has nothing to do with consciousness either. My point is simple - the evidence of consciousness is subjective and is possibly not realistic either. To a scientist, it doesn't exist and can't be proven in a lab. So, if you use the standard of proving consciousness; you should know that I can use the same standard to prove God

The mere fact that you're writing all of this is evidence enough that your God doesn't exist.

Why is he making you his minister of defence if both of us were created by him?

Does that make sense to you? Don't you think he would have spoken for himself, like he did in the biblical records?

The whole thing is a fabrication designed out of our fear of death.

Can you imagine what the experience of death must have felt like to a human being from antiquity?

They had to make up something.

BossTtdiamonds:
My Definition of God; God is God, Uncaused and Everlasting..

This is good to know, but Allah is also everlasting and was never generated by anyone.

Why are you not praying to him 5x a day as required?

Do you not believe that Allah is real?

BossTtdiamonds:
And what is your proof that there is no God?

Define your version of God and I will prove that it doesn't exist.

Are you a follower of Jesus or Allah?

BraveGuy:
Maybe you should read this page as well: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-drug-dimethyltryptamine.html

Then going by your foolish conclusions, everyone that has ever had a vision of Jesus was using a DMT to do so, isn't it?
Paul the apostle must have used one as he persecuted Christ's people and he encountered Jesus in a vision, and because of that he wants to serve him, isn't it?

The testimony of Muslims such as Rahim, Rene, Reza, Shahrokh and Akela encountering Jesus was as a result of DMT, isn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnanHqe5YWM

You make conclusions when you have not thought things through.
People like you, out of your pride, make forums like this disinteresting.

Do you expect me to believe the Paul story when I could just as easily believe any number of stories in Greek and Roman mythology? Get real.

Here you are, a full grown adult, presenting the Saul conversion story as proof of what?

Why even mention folklore when we're discussing reality?

So someone took the time to blow up the building in a controlled manner?

This pastor is too greedy. Pay the victims and their families, my brother.

Whether the building exploded or not is unimportant. The building belonged to him and its his responsibility to keep it secured.

Let him sue the FG, but pay the victims.

Jakeattah:
I don't really get your arguement. Especially the santa illustration.


I really don't understand what your problem is with God, but as a fellow NLer, its not good to blasphem, if you don't believe in God, its okay. But to be safe, don't say bad things about Him

There is no God. My problem is with the human beings who claim that there is one.

If God existed, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Rjasan:
You know what this's not the time to question what has happened. But the time to walk in righteousness and holiness.

Like sheep following a shepherd, heh?

Do you know what the shepherd does with the sheep?

Hint: mutton and blankets.

BraveGuy:
what about Dr. Donald Whitaker? Was his case dimethyltryptamine, too?
.

Did you even read ANYTHING about DMT? The answer is a resounding YES.

ofsegs:
Read John 3:36 again then read
John 3 verse 16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever belives in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."
verse 18
"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
do you notice the words "God" and "Son of God" ?

In Matthew 17:5, " .... This is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him! "
What can you infer from the above quote?

Check out Matthew 27:46
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me? "

Will you say that the God that Jesus prayed to in the above bible text is different from the God that Isrealites in the bible worship? Is that God different from the God that Moses and the Prophets worship? Is he different from the God that communicated with Adam, Abraham and Noah??

It is that same God that Christians worship today.

Christians believe that Jesus IS God, so Jesus was only talking to another manifestation of himself.

Jesus is not Allah. Muslims believe that Jesus was only a prophet of Allah.

Therefore Allah cannot be the same as Yahweh.

BraveGuy:
Real believers are not stupid, if that is what you think.

What about those who have NEVER been to a church or had any form of religion, but experienced a personal encounter with God? I will cite one or two examples - Akiane Kramarik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiane_Kramarik) and Dr. Donald Whitaker (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmNf-KtVs0).

This topic has been discussed here before. Have you heard of the endogenous chemical called dimethyltryptamine?

In addition to that, the girl comes from a family of artistic repute.

Xtarxhyne:
Allah Is d Arabic form of God...

We agree. But the different forms of God hate each other.

The Arabic form forbids the consumption of pork, while the Christian form doesn't mind.

The Arabic form promises to punish the followers of the Christian form in hell.

The Christian form promises to torture the followers of the Arabic form.

Are you following the madness? Do I look like a retard to you?

These are distinct entities. Or one seriously bipolar God. I'm talking brad Pitt in Fight Club kind of bipolar.

Jakeattah:
Lol, your funny.
If God wanted to force you to worship Him, you think he couldn't?

Hell is for people who choose to follow Satan. Satan left heaven cos of the sin he brought. Now understand that God is a... Permit me to use sinless or pure being. He won't allow impurity or sin where he is. That is why he allowed angels that believed in satan to follow him.
Now we have a choice to follow sin and end with satan or obey the bible and end with God. He even made it easier by sending his Son and also forgiving us no matter what we have done.

So brother please what is force here? Becareful what you say

Don't just diss a post on NL... Think first

Nonsense. No sane person chooses death over dressing up and entering a building on Sundays.

Provide me with the faintest of evidence that hell or Yahweh is real, and watch me speak in tongues myself.

Like I said, it only LOOKS like a CHOICE to you because the God is imaginary and non-existent.

If Santa offered you a choice in a BOOK, between running around naked in your neighborhood or having all your family members executed, would you consider that a choice or an ORDER?

timilehing:
I stil don't understand what you need his age for

He wasn't born as a baby like human beings. How old was the old man after God created him? Is that too much to ask.

Have you seen a 1 yr old who is the same size and height as Obafemi Martins?

zleemshaddy:
i understand ur type #atheist

Hahaha. Let's insult the guy who doubts the age of a 930 yr old human being. Your brain has gone to the maggots.

egift:
In religion, people have individual experiences - be it Hindu, Islam, Christianity, etc - Even the Native Doctor in my village did not believe his Oracle on hear-say - He has personal experiences that proves to him that the Oracle has power.

Rubbish. The overwhelming majority of people, including you and I, simply joined a religion by following our parents to the church, mosque, or synagogue.

What you call a personal experience is preceded by a thorough brainwashing by a child's parents.

How recent is this list? LOL. Where is Joel Osteen?

That man has over 50 NY Times bestsellers.

Jakeattah:
Its the same reason God dosnt force us all to worship Him. He gave us the gift of choice, to be free and choose for ourselves what we want, we wouldve been slaves or robotic beings.

Nonsense. We are being forced to worship God under the penalty of DEATH. ETERNAL death, that is.

You just don't think it's force because the God is imaginary.

bossminded:
Yeah what if some day u die and just den did u discover dt d God u've been hearing about is so real...

Then I will be provided with a genuine reason for all this hide and seek. The God will explain why he did everything in his power to remain hidden from me.

I live only a 1/4 mile away from that World Changers mega church in Atlanta. Creflo Dollar shuts down traffic on Sundays.
Some of his sheep even use my subdivision as a parking garage after they run out of space at world changers.

ofsegs:
Christians, Moslems and Jews share the same history from creation to first man Adam to cain and Abel, to Noah down to Abraham then the stories begin to differ. Jews and Christians believe that Isaac was the first born of Abraham that would have been sacrificed to God while Moslems believe that it was not Isaac but Ishmael.

All three religions believe that it was God Almighty that created the world and everything associated with it. They all believe that it was the same Almighty God that destroyed the world with flood save Noah and the ark. It is the same Almighty God that the adherents of the three religions worship till today.

Jews may call Him Yahweh, Christians call Him Jehovah, Moslems call Him Allah.
He is the same God. It is the way the three faiths understand Him that differs. The difference is just well amplified today.

You're not a Christian. Christians are those who obey the bible.

John 3:36,, Acts 4:12,, John 8:24.

Only Jesus saves. Your same God doctrine is blasphemy.

A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship 3 separate Gods.

In the eyes of the imaginary Jesus, Muslims are no more righteous than me, a non Christian. According to Jesus, a muslim has no chance of entering heaven.

ofsegs:
YES

So your Lord Jesus is different from the Muslim Lord Allah.

They're not the same God with two different names.

Your doctrine teaches that I'm destined for hell for failing to acknowledge Jesus as Lord.

Your doctrine also teaches that Muslims are destined for hell because they too deny Jesus Christ as Lord and savior.

How can one BILLION Muslims all be COMPLETELY WRONG!!!!

Gods are usually jealous creatures. Atheists don't worship any, so probably won't incur the wrath of any.

But woe unto the follower of Lord Jesus if Allah turns out to be the real Lord Almighty.