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KingEbukasBlog:
Weah96 .. I see you ... so you decided to run away from our argument ... eh ?

Lol. U dey sharp well well.

I forgot the subject of the argument, that's all. I know it has something to do with God business though.

DeepSight:
^^^ Fair enough, but doesn't hammer home the point effectively. A Plaetton for example would actually use it to underscore his point about the effect such chemical substances have on the brain.

After eating those bitter mushrooms, one realizes that nature is far bigger and more complex than previously imagined.

Our brains are mostly under a similar level of stimulation at all times. The market woman selling onions and you with the money trying to buy are both functioning at the level of this present reference frame.

However, entheogens (I take psilocybin), temporarily disconnect the subject from this reference frame and put him in another nearby one, complete with different occupants and everything. How? I dunno. Some say that it activates the pineal gland in the middle of your brain, and the eyes cease to be the primary organs for vision. It takes the responsibility away from your eyes and gives it to the pineal gland, which has its own photoreceptors and everything.

Trust me when I say that this will be the LEAST of your concerns.

What cannot be proven is the fact that those experiences are real. They certainly can be replicated over and over, and anyone (with proper supervision) is able to share the experience. But one has to allow for the possibility that the brain is hallucinating, although I don't buy that explanation at all.

http://www.skeptiko.com/rick-strassman-psychedelic-drugs-prove-we-are-more-than-our-brain/

The KKK used to walk around saying the same thing, that we as a race deserved to be subservient because Providence demanded it.

Why would you believe that part of the bible, and then ignore the part which says that EVERYONE who believes in Jesus can drink an entire bottle of Clorox without experiencing any health issues?

Before you believe the story of Ham, try to read the rest of the book.

DeepSight:
^^^ Fair enough. it appears many people including myself may have misconceived you for atheist. You are anything but.

I wrote about consciousness being remote about 2 years ago here on NL. Anyone who has tried entheogens understands this.

FOLYKAZE:
@ Macof.



You done make Weah96 escape.

Escape? From where, Guantanamo? You guys are going too deep with the animism and symbolism for me to coherently follow.

theunusualmoon:
Well, I guess megan good limited the horizons. It's not only about loving your wife.you love your mother,brothers etc. And on these occassions sex don't come in.and it's not only about love...people feel hate,jealousy,lust,etc.(And no one can see all this but we believe it exists because we can feel it) Mr frank and yourself have talked about the brain interpreting this feelings and classifying them but that's the same thing those who believe in GOD say: they feel GOD's presence. They connect with a force they percieve to be extra-ordinary. Just like you can't control yourself or really explain the feelings that come over you when megan good walks into the room.
@frank317

That's all good and well, but I'm going by what the books say. The bible, for example, makes it very clear that belief in Jesus CONFERS magical powers to command inanimate objects using speech. Those who can't do it, do not believe in Jesus.

So when you say that you feel him and love him, I'm asking you WHO? What are you saying? Did you discard your bible or do you find a way to justify the thing to yourself?

theunusualmoon:
@weah69
It's good to know you have a crush on meagan good(her beauty couldn't have been accidental) and that leads me to my next question though you havn't answered any even when they required only yes or no.

At some point in time you must have looked a certain lady in the eyes and whispered those magic words :I love you.

you cannot see love,touch love or hear love,so can you tell me why you believe love(or crush) exists?

To quote Sigmund Freud, "one is very crazy when in love."

Love can be measured with an MRI, and the same parts will light up every time. The experience can be replicated over and over, even in the body of the doubting skeptic. Science has already analyzed the physiology of it. So it's not this esoteric thing that you make it out to be

I come from the Freudian school of thought, even though our increasingly politically correct society have largely dismissed his sharp observations and research.
Freud proposed that life was really about sex and work. Love is the engine that keeps that life running.

MrsChima:
That's true. You should see the Naija men in the States with fat tummy white women (some black women) but it is a trend in the States to get a fat tummy white chick!

I asked how does one find the toto and I was told there are ways.

If one searches well, he can find almost anything. Where there is a will, there is always a way.

Eddlad:
No, I understand that mercury would move way from this epicenter at a much less velocity as opposed to earth, what I dont understand is how this explosion could cause some bodies to be revolving around others,how does this explosion cause a circular motion.

Empty space is not empty. It's like a woman's wrapper, and can bend depending on the mass of the object occupying it. The heavier the object, the more the impact it has on the space it occupies.

Keeping this in mind, is it so unusual to accept that the sheer force from such an event could result in the alignments we see today?

Fill up a balloon with water, and slam it against a wall. The water will collect together neatly provided the surface on which it spills has the required property.

In this case, the property of the space resulting from the explosion didn't behave towards those heavy masses as we know space to behave here on earth.

The formations we see in the cosmic bodies were not done for the sake of beauty and aethestics. They were necessary arrangements mandated by the nature of all the elements involved.

Beautiful things can come out of chaos, just look at the process of childbirth. If an ignorant alien were to be present during a human childbirth, they would find it hard to expect any orderly, or beautiful thing to emerge out of that gory mess of a hole.

But Megan Good was born that way, and I still have a crush on her today.

macof:
A bo orisa - one that venerate Orisa

This begs the question, what is an Orisa? Is it the concept of a remote and universal divinity of the likes of Thor and Allah, or is it more new age like one's own CHI or something?

Eddlad:
You evaded my question session.I hope all is well.

Missed it, not evaded. What was your question again?

theunusualmoon:
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Wow,so we have moved from GOD exists or not into "accidents are perfectly natural.they don't exist". I guess you chose to tow this line in a bid to defend the big bang theory(which I don't believe in) being itself a natural process and not an accident. Ok let's see. How about the stuff that happened to michael shumacher while he was skiing,what do we call that?
And how about paul walker's death?

If you break down the elements involved in the mishap, every requirement was met according to the needs of nature.

Paul Walker was a passenger in a vehicle that costs half a million dollars. The car is well known for being difficult to handle. Speed, car with difficult handling, potentially drunk driver, 8 lane paved street, everything was present.

Those things are only accidents because they weren't PLANNED in advance. But from the point of few of nature, it was. Anyone who repeats the scenario with those exacts parameters and conditions, will meet the same fate. It's like adding 2+2.

Whenever Messi scores a goal, or Lebron puts up 35, those moments don't represent accidents. This is true in spite of the fact that the goals were not planned in advance.

What makes it an accident is the assumed preconceived intention of the subject. But from the point of view of nature, Paul Walker's accident consisted of all the NECESSARY and sufficient requirements. Even his own height and weight were necessary elements. Some people survive worse vehicular collisions? Why is that?

tobechi74:
Atheist love xtian

Their building is called a Atheist church
Their minister are called pastors

Atheists from a Christian background would engage in discussions about the bible.

Atheists from the Islamic background frequent Islamic discussions. They write books called INFIDEL not BACK SLIDERS.

theunusualmoon:
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An old woman steps out of the shower onto a tiled ground, she slips,hits her head on the floor and dies. Will our ego come to play before we consider this an accident?

Yes. Nothing is an accident. The event is perfectly NATURAL and every conducive element was NECESSARY and PRESENT. Time and nature represent immovable objects.

mcfynest:
Hmmmmmm. You should respect other peoples faith you know

Why, when my tax dollars subsidize the "faith?" How come your own faith needs money from others?

FOLYKAZE:
Ori and consciousness is God. You agree to this.



Does all prayers guarantee victory? Nope.

But in which ever way you choose to pray to yourself, I will like to know if you do pray to yourself.

Macof pls follow this Aborisha forming atheist

Certain holy books have a recipe that guarantees victory. Do this, do that, say this, and the mountain will move.

What is aborisha?

theunusualmoon:
Quoting weah69:

"Who said that the big bang was an accident? Does mother nature do things by accident or by her nature? It wasn't an accident. It was carefully arranged by the universe itself, not an alien or humanoid being with consciousness."



Do we conclude that you believe in god and in your opinion the universe is god?

I believe in my self as God, Folykaze just brought it to my attention that this is the same belief held by Yoruba spiritualists. The only difference is, I don't sacrifice things to MYSELF, and I don't engage in rituals or ceremonies of any kind.

I present the universe as God when conventional theists begin to use their infinite regression argument to posit a remote, and historically tribalistic creator. If the God being cannot have a creator, then why should the universe have one? It is certainly vast enough to encompass all sorts of tricks that could potentially confound the human imagination.





A roofer slips from the roof of a building, splattering his brains on the concrete below.

Which part of that event was an accident? Think about it. Everything worked as designed, his shoes, the roof material, his pants, everything did its job according to nature. It is our ego that determines what an accident is.

FOLYKAZE:
In Yoruba spiritualism, one higher self is a God. Prayers are made to it, sacrifice are made to it.

Is that the type of God you admit you believe?

I'm unfamiliar with Yoruba spiritualism, but I'm well aware of the different parts of human consciousness from years of psychedelic drug use.

I couldn't imagine offering a sacrifice to MYSELF, but praying to oneself is not farfetched. It's akin to a sprinter who stretches before he runs. It doesn't guarantee a victory (there are other sprinters stretching too), but it allows him to generate his maximum performance at that point in time.

DeepSight:
^^^ Did you watch the video?

No. But the human brain is like a special transponder, designed to convert signals at different depths of neural stimulations. This is my personal opinion after years of psychedelic inquiry. The brain itself, being composed of matter, is a product of consciousness. There is no matter without an observer.

Our ego and super ego may rely on brain matter, but the ID is brain independent.

voltron:
wow.. god must have fckked u up good

Which God, exactly? Ha-ha-ha.

theunusualmoon:
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So weah96 why do you neeed proof before you believe GOD exists?

Gods vary. I don't need proof of the unconventional ones to which Folykaze refers. A pencil, for example, is a real object. If you show me a pencil and say, 'this is God,' I won't object to your nomenclature. The most I'll do is ask for clarification.

However, if you bring a book and say that it was dictated by a remote spirit person who intends for it to serve as the ultimate human guide on morality, then expect me to have some questions after reading it. Especially, if r)ape, genocide, and tribalism are being sanctioned right off the jump.

FOLYKAZE:
Weah96 who is an atheist believe a God exist.

Now lets put a stop to the joke

I believe that I exist, dude. That I decide to call myself a God is inconsequential to the fundamental argument of atheism, this God doesn't influence reality in any magical ways.

Do you want me to bring up the analogy about vegetables again?

FOLYKAZE:
Tell us basically you are not atheist to non-conventional Gods. The pagan Gods

Must a vegetarian tell you that he doesn't HATE meat from plants.

George Carlin prayed to the sun, claiming that his returns were 50/50. He also called himself an atheist.

FOLYKAZE:
Tell us basically you are not atheist to non-conventional Gods. The pagan Gods

I worship my higher SELF. If that is a pagan deity, then I've been schooled. There are no books, no rituals, just quick moments of acknowledgment.

I only began doing that after realizing that my higher self is basically indestructible, kinda like the original Green Lantern.

theunusualmoon:
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Well it's good to know you and young jeezy are one and same.
It is also good to know you're not an atheist(correct me if I am wrong) and this means you and those who have chosen to believe in a certain GOD have a right to their opinions so maybe you should stop spitting venom on those who have chosen a certain path.
As for me I believe the earth and its mechanisms are too organised to be referred as a coincidence or a big bang accident.I believe it was CAREFULLY designed.

Jeezy is revered by me. That's all. Call him God or Jeezy, it really doesn't matter, it's just a play on words.

Right to an opinion? Is the bible an opinion? The bible refutes ITSELF or it refutes the veracity of EVERYONE who calls himself a Christian or Jesus follower.

Who said that the big bang was an accident? Does mother nature do things by accident or by her nature? It wasn't an accident. It was carefully arranged by the universe itself, not an alien or humanoid being with consciousness.

theunusualmoon:
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So which gods do you believe in? Do you consider any of these gods to be superior than all others including yourself? Or are you the greatest god ever?

I believe that I'm the greatest God that I know. Every human probably has the same measure though, but they have no superiority over me.

For displaying his skills on the Recession album, young Jeezy became a God. But only as a revered person. In all likelihood, he carries his own personal ID but he doesn't yet know that it is God.

mcfynest:
Well am not surprised, she is merely passing through a state of self discovery, which later she will understand that Jesus is the way.

A great poet once said "a faithful man is a man that often doubts his faith, but still finds succour in same faith"

There were times we all felt too enlightened that we continually question our faith, but at the end, a verse in the scripture or a hymn keeps us going.....

Jesus is a white protagonist. She belongs in his company. Black people who look up to the white man are more psychotic.

How come ALL the photos are blurry images showing people and NOTHING else?

theunusualmoon:
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I know weah69 hasn't answerd my question.truth is he doesn't know why he doesn't belive or perhaps he's had one or two experiences that made him feel: whatks the point? This thing called GOD is unbelievable and that's why I have gone a step further to paint the scenarios above.hoping we can all come out of our shells a little further.

You believe that you have identified the creator of the universe and he is the one who authored your holy book. Trying to conceal that argument behind a more generic God is being disingenuous. Isolate what YOU call God, and I'll tell you why I don't believe in it.

FOLYKAZE:
I thought you are an adult and expected you to be more civil.

If a vegetarian tells you meat is not good for his body, can you then tell us why you think god does not exist?

According to your village logic, the vegetarian would be wrong for making that statement because garden eggs and bananas have meat too.

You're so confused to the point where you don't understand your own confusion.

Which God are you talking? There are different Gods, just like meat can come from both animals and plants. The vegetarian is implying animal meat, and I'm talking about conventional theism. There are many different Gods within the arena of conventional theism, and my reasons for dismissing each one vary.

theunusualmoon:
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I think your response is simply based on the fact that you think you know where I am going with this but let me make it a bit more elaborate.

This happened in a movie or a book.I can't even remember where I picked it up from.

There was a guy who loved his wife to a fault.she got pregnant and he rejoiced but deep within he knew there was something wrong.He loved her but being a doctor kept him guessing.Her timing was wrong.
After the birth he decided to carry out a DNA test.He was right the child wasn't his.Who could it have been? The only other male in the house was is father.So he damned the consequences and intelligently got a sample from his dad and Bingo!(Before the test a lot of people have said :oh my gawd this kid looks so much like you) well the kid turned out to be his brother.
2. I know you don't live here but it is a known fact that babies are switched at birth whether accidentally or delibrately by medical workers and so many homes and people out there have kids and daddy's and mummy's that are not theirs.

So my question to you is this.
How come so many people out there don't take paternity tests but are very sure that their kids are theirs and this person they call dad or mum is truly theirs?

I am not calling for DNA testing I am only saying that there are so many things out there that you believe in even without requesting for a proof. So weah69 why do you neeed proof before you believe GOD exists?

Gods exists, no question. I'm an example. Certain Gods are fake and imaginary though. I have a list of Gods that I believe in and a list of Gods that I dismiss. So actually, I don't understand where you're going.

Do you want me to tell you why I disbelieve in conventional deities like the one you pray to, or why I believe in the ones that I do?

Pastor children are mostly FREAKS. But she looks 22. A family just moved in the house next to mine and their 16 yr son looks like he's 35 minimum. The guy is at least 240 pounds and looks like he just got released from prison.